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=Additional Images= | |||
[[File:18702 3745 1 lg.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Colt Official Police "Fitz Special" - .38 Special.Produced in 1938, featuring a special order 2 inch barrel and "FitzGerald Special" modifications; the front half of the trigger guard is removed, the trigger is checkered, and the hammer is bobbed, with a small checkered portion left for manual cocking. Blade and notch sights, with "38 OFFICIAL/ POLICE" on the left side of the barrel and the two line address on the left. Rampant Colt on the left side of the frame and matching numbers on the frame and crane, with a checkered cylinder catch. Checkered grips with Rampant Colt medallions.]] | |||
[[File:COP revolver 1969.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Official Police with semi round front sight post - .38 special.]] | |||
[[File:BowenColtOM.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Colt Officer Model Target. 4" barrel. 38 Special. Target version of the OP. This specimen can be found at the Gene Autry museum.]] | |||
[[File:14675 0246 2 lg.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Colt Officer Model Target 6" barrel. 38 Spl. Manufactured 1937]] | |||
[[File:ColtOMSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Officer Model Special 6" barrel. 22 Long Rifle. Manufactured 1953]] | |||
[[File:ColtOPin32-20.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Official Police. 6" Barrel. 32-20 WCF. Manufactured 1929]] | |||
[[File:Colt Border Patrol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Border Patrol. Heavy Barrel Official Police. Made for the U.S. Border Patrol in the early 1950's. Very rare.]] | |||
[[File:Round butt Official Police.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Early 1960's Official Police with round butt.]] | |||
[[File:ColtWW2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|World War II British Official Police in 38 S&W(.38/200)]] | |||
[[File:Nickel Colt Official Police.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nickel Colt Official Police - .38 Special]] | |||
[[File:01642 l.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Marshall. Esentially a Colt Official Police with a round butt. Only 2,500 manufactured between 1954-1956.]] | |||
[[File:NiceColtMarshallsnub.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Marshall snubnose. Very rare.]] | |||
[[File:Colt Garate Anitua Cie.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish Garate Anitua & Cie revolver, based on Colt Official Police - .32]] | |||
[[Image:Colt Army Special.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Army Special M1908 - .38 Special]] | |||
[[File:Colt Army Special 3-inch.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Army Special with 3" barrel, c.1934 - .32WCF]] | |||
[[File:Colt-stocked.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Army Special revolver is fitted with a rare attachable shoulder stock/holster - .38 Special. These stocks fit all Colt large frame revolvers and the original patent papers show a Colt DA with a stock attached. It was patented in England on November 9, 1901 by W.P. Thompson and the Ideal Holster Company.]] | |||
==Screen-Used== | |||
[[Image:ColtOffPolice Stack UT.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Official Police Revolver - .38 Special. This is the actual screen used Colt Official Police revolver carried and fired by [[Robert Stack]] in the television series [[Untouchables, The (1959)]].]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
== Differences between Colt and S&W == | |||
How does this weapon compare with the Smith & Wesson model 10? I don't want to instigate a brawl between supporters of each, I was just wondering what the pros and cons of each weapon are since these two seemed to be the most common police weapons for decades. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] | How does this weapon compare with the Smith & Wesson model 10? I don't want to instigate a brawl between supporters of each, I was just wondering what the pros and cons of each weapon are since these two seemed to be the most common police weapons for decades. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] | ||
Well for one they have very different internal lockwork. From the twenties through the fifties Colt was considered to be the higher quality revolver by many - true or not that was the perception. Colt was more expensive.For much of that time Colt also had a more rich, deeper blue finish. the OP is also just a smidge larger than the M&P. Not by much but bigger. For some officers that little bit of a difference made the Smith just a little easier to carry all day. The old Colt double-action was superior for single action work and in that time period the majority of shooters would cock the revolvers. Double-action was looked upon as being something you used for emergencies. In the fifties and sixties when police began using double-action as the norm S&W's double-action soon made it a favorite over the Colt design which had that noticeable "catch" just before the hammer would fall and wasn't as smooth as the Smith DA. In terms of accuracy both of them (in good condition) will be more accurate than the shooter - in most cases. Colt is a more difficult design to work on while the Smith was simpler. The Colt design can go out of time a little easier while the Smith design has a bit more endurance. For many knowledgable shooters back in the day the Colt DA revolver was looked upon as the superior target revolver while the S&W was considered the better "duty" revolver. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:43, 20 August 2012 (CDT) | |||
Oh and Colt's metallurgy was stronger or ,once again, it was percieved to be stronger in the pre-war years.Also Colt advertised that it's metallurgy was superior. When the High Velocity 38/44 load came out in the early thirties and S&W advised that it should only be fired in the large-frame Heavy Duty and Outdoorsman revolvers Colt promptly came out with advertising stating that the 38/44 load could be safely fired in the medium framed Official Police. Something that Smith strongly stated should not be done in the M&P.In the fifties COlt began having trouble and S&W soared past them. Also in 56/57 S&W improved it's steel as well. Not that Smith's revolvers would blow up - far from it. But Colt was a little higher end back then and the prices reflected it.Hope this helps. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:57, 20 August 2012 (CDT) | |||
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== Just a quick Question == | == Just a quick Question == | ||
What caliber does the Official Police use? None of the IMFDB pics say. [[User:jackbel]] | What caliber does the Official Police use? None of the IMFDB pics say. [[User:jackbel]] | ||
:By far the most common was .38 Special, and Colt said they could shoot the .38 High Velocity load for the S&W .38/44 as well. Other than that, .22LR, .32-20 and .41 Long Colt in the States, and a very small run for the British Army in .38/200 (AKA .38 S&W) in 1940. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | :By far the most common was .38 Special, and Colt said they could shoot the .38 High Velocity load for the S&W .38/44 as well. Other than that, .22LR, .32-20 and .41 Long Colt in the States, and a very small run for the British Army in .38/200 (AKA .38 S&W) in 1940. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | ||
== Colt Army Special == | |||
The Official Police was originally the Army Special, introduced in 1907 as a replacement for the New Army & Navy models, using lockwork derived from the New Service and built specifically to handle .38 Special and .41 Long Colt. In 1927, having never been adopted by the US Army (being passed over in favour of larger .45 Colt and .45 ACP guns like the New Service/M1909, M1911 and M1917) but being used by many police departments, Colt made minor changes and renamed it the Official Police. --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 18:07, 13 May 2019 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 14:33, 4 December 2022
Additional Images
Screen-Used
Discussion
Differences between Colt and S&W
How does this weapon compare with the Smith & Wesson model 10? I don't want to instigate a brawl between supporters of each, I was just wondering what the pros and cons of each weapon are since these two seemed to be the most common police weapons for decades. -Anonymous
Well for one they have very different internal lockwork. From the twenties through the fifties Colt was considered to be the higher quality revolver by many - true or not that was the perception. Colt was more expensive.For much of that time Colt also had a more rich, deeper blue finish. the OP is also just a smidge larger than the M&P. Not by much but bigger. For some officers that little bit of a difference made the Smith just a little easier to carry all day. The old Colt double-action was superior for single action work and in that time period the majority of shooters would cock the revolvers. Double-action was looked upon as being something you used for emergencies. In the fifties and sixties when police began using double-action as the norm S&W's double-action soon made it a favorite over the Colt design which had that noticeable "catch" just before the hammer would fall and wasn't as smooth as the Smith DA. In terms of accuracy both of them (in good condition) will be more accurate than the shooter - in most cases. Colt is a more difficult design to work on while the Smith was simpler. The Colt design can go out of time a little easier while the Smith design has a bit more endurance. For many knowledgable shooters back in the day the Colt DA revolver was looked upon as the superior target revolver while the S&W was considered the better "duty" revolver. --Jcordell 09:43, 20 August 2012 (CDT)
Oh and Colt's metallurgy was stronger or ,once again, it was percieved to be stronger in the pre-war years.Also Colt advertised that it's metallurgy was superior. When the High Velocity 38/44 load came out in the early thirties and S&W advised that it should only be fired in the large-frame Heavy Duty and Outdoorsman revolvers Colt promptly came out with advertising stating that the 38/44 load could be safely fired in the medium framed Official Police. Something that Smith strongly stated should not be done in the M&P.In the fifties COlt began having trouble and S&W soared past them. Also in 56/57 S&W improved it's steel as well. Not that Smith's revolvers would blow up - far from it. But Colt was a little higher end back then and the prices reflected it.Hope this helps. --Jcordell 09:57, 20 August 2012 (CDT)
Just a quick Question
What caliber does the Official Police use? None of the IMFDB pics say. User:jackbel
- By far the most common was .38 Special, and Colt said they could shoot the .38 High Velocity load for the S&W .38/44 as well. Other than that, .22LR, .32-20 and .41 Long Colt in the States, and a very small run for the British Army in .38/200 (AKA .38 S&W) in 1940. - Nyles
Colt Army Special
The Official Police was originally the Army Special, introduced in 1907 as a replacement for the New Army & Navy models, using lockwork derived from the New Service and built specifically to handle .38 Special and .41 Long Colt. In 1927, having never been adopted by the US Army (being passed over in favour of larger .45 Colt and .45 ACP guns like the New Service/M1909, M1911 and M1917) but being used by many police departments, Colt made minor changes and renamed it the Official Police. --Maxman (talk) 18:07, 13 May 2019 (EDT)