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== KSG ==
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Kinda surprised it never appears in singleplayer since it's supposed to be one of the "gimmick" guns for this game, has anyone seen one anywhere? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:07, 10 November 2011 (CST)
== Miscellaneous ==
=== Blackhawk Tatang ===
The Blackhawk Tatang returns from ''Modern Warfare 2''. It is once again used as the main melee weapon, the Tactical Knife, and the Throwing knife.
::Right now it's still in production. It was apparently a HUGE hit at the 2011 SHOT Show, however on the downside Kel-Tec is a pretty small manufacturer who happens to make pretty popular products, and that results in some pretty severe backlogging. I think they are planning on releasing it in early 2012 last I heard. The best part though is it's supposedly not going to be that expensive! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 18:14, 10 November 2011 (CST)
[[Image:BH15TT00BK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Blackhawk Tatang in real life.]]
::: This gun is out now! It's going for between $650 and $800 depending on where you shop. I found 6 different places selling it by putting a simple search into Google. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)
=== Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed ===
The Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed returns from ''Modern Warfare 2''. It is used by Price in "Stronghold" and is seen on a table in "Back on the Grid" but can't be obtained by the player.
I think he meant in the game, but that's good news too!--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:22, 18 November 2011 (CST)
=== Spyderco Military ===
A Spyderco Military is used by Sandman to cut the seatbelt in the wrecked humvee at the beginning of "Black Tuesday". The same model is also used by Price to kill one of Makarov's MH-6 Little Bird pilots in "Dust to Dust".
:I did. And now I've got one, I get to discover they got literally ''everything'' about it wrong. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:22, 19 November 2011 (CST)
=== Ocean Master Diving Knife ===
An Ocean Master Diving Knife is carried by Sandman in "Hunter Killer".
::Do tell :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:42, 19 November 2011 (CST)
=== M1942 Machete ===
A slightly modified version of the M1942 Machete model from ''Black Ops'' is used by an African militant in "Back on the Grid".
::: LOL ooooooops! I haven't found the gun in single player, but I didn't do much searching either. But yea it's so messed up in the game (multiplayer). First, it's not a continuous fire shotgun. You get 7, then have to manually switch (not exactly sure how) to the other tube which holds another 7. Second, for being a 12 gauge, the damage is absurdly low. It took me an average of 3 torso hits to kill someone. Also, you would think they would give this shotgun to have slugs in one tube, and buckshot in the other! After all, that was the main idea behind the gun! Instant ammo switching or a lot of ammo in a compact package! AHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Way to ruin an awesome gun!!! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 17:00, 19 November 2011 (CST)
=== Mark 82 Bomb ===
Mark 82 Bombs are dropped by the B-2 Spirit as part of the "Stealth Bomber" killstreak which itself is recycled from ''Modern Warfare 2''.
::::In Survival it's 12 rounds and it's just treated as a standard shotgun; no switching tube mags. It's more or less just a crappier version of the Striker with even less damage and slow pump rather than semi-auto. Everything I've read implies it's 12 in multi too, which as I said on the page would only be true if it were using 3" shells; since it damages like it's using 1 1/2" shells loaded with sand, I'm just writing that up as an error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:08, 19 November 2011 (CST)
== Attachments ==
=== Adco SOLO Sight System/Sightmark Sure Shot ===
Like in ''Call of Duty 4'', the "Red Dot Sight" is based on the Adco SOLO Sight System or some of its numerous copies like the Sure Shot reflex sight.
=== Docter/Burris Fastfire 3 Hybrid ===
The Docter/Burris Fastfire 3-esque red dot sight from ''Modern Warfare 2'' appears on some AK-47s found in the Special Ops mission "Kill Switch". It is not available in multiplayer.
=== Aimpoint CompM2 ===
The Aimpoint CompM2 appears on some AK-47s found in the Special Ops mission "Kill Switch". It is erroneously treated like the ACOG, even sharing its reticle. It is not available in multiplayer.
=== EOTech EXPS3 ===
The EOTech EXPS3 appears as the "Holographic Sight". It is inaccurately depicted with a quick detach lever from the EOTech 553.
=== Trijicon ACOG TA31 ===
The Trijicon ACOG TA31 appears as the "ACOG Sight". The ACOG is depicted with an electronic reticle instead of the etched tritium-illuminated reticle.
The Leupold Mark 4 High Accuracy Multi-Range HAMR scope appears as the "HAMR Scope".
=== T14/TAM-14 Thermal Scope ===
The "Thermal Scope" is based on the SPI CORP T14 Thermal Scope or Nivisys TAM-14 Thermal Acquisition Monocular.
=== EOTech MPO III ===
The EOTech MPO III close-/long-range sighting system appears as the "Hybrid Sight".
=== Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS ===
The Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS M5B1 Front Focal scope appears as the "Variable Zoom".
=== Heartbeat Sensor ===
The fictional heartbeat sensor returns from ''Modern Warfare 2'', albeit with a slightly different design, but nevertheless still based on the M314 Motion Tracker from the ''Alien'' franchise.
=== Grip ===
An unknown vertical foregrip appears in the menu image for the "Grip" attachment, though when used on weapons, the actual model is of a KAC foregrip.
== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==
Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:
It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
:"No!" "YES!" [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 00:22, 20 July 2012 (CDT)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911 after learning from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b (Dwight Howard) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]
^Isn't that... crap, what's his name... he played Jet Jackson on that Disney Channel show. Anyway, isn't that Jet Jackson? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:23, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
:Nope, the Famous Jett Jackson was played by Lee Thompson Young http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Famous_Jett_Jackson --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 15:39, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
==Find Makarov live action short film==
Identified most weapons in Find Makarov and Find Makarov: Operation Kingfish. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:19, 9 December 2014 (EST)
===Colt Anaconda===
Lieutenant General Shepherd (David Brandon George) uses a [[Colt Anaconda]] during the events of "Endgame" from ''Modern Warfare 2''.
What appears to be a [[Colt MK IV Series 80]] is slid by John Price (David Kinsman) to John "Soap" MacTavish (Michael Heathcote).
[[File:Series80blued.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Blued Colt MK IV Series 80 - .45 ACP]]
[[File:FindMakarov-M1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Price sliding the Colt.]]
[[File:FindMakarov-M1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soap aiming the pistol at Zakhaev.]]
===Heckler & Koch MP5SD3===
Soap (Michael Heathcote) uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5SD3]] during the obstacle course. However, the weapon fires as if it was not suppressed, as evidenced by the firing sound and the muzzle flash.
[[File:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP5SD3 with integrated sound suppressor - 9x19mm]]
[[File:FindMakarov-MP5SD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soap readying his MP5.]]
===Heckler & Koch UMP45===
The [[Heckler & Koch UMP45]] is seen in the hands of Shadow Company soldiers. Soap (Michael Heathcote) also picks up one in the helicopter at the end.
[[File:FindMakarov-UMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The UMP in the helicopter.]]
===AK variant===
The two Russian Ultranationalists accompanying Imran Zakhaev (Mic Boogie) are seen using [[AK-47|AK rifles]].
[[File:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Final Production version of the Type III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:FindMakarov-AK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The two soldiers with their AKs. Zakhaev in the center uses an unidentified gun, although in the actual events of ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare'' he used a [[Desert Eagle]].]]
===M4A1 Carbine===
The [[M4A1 Carbine]] is used by John "Soap" MacTavish (Michael Heathcote) and Simon "Ghost" Riley (Cameron Rufelds), as well as several other team members.
[[File:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:M4A1EOT.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M4A1 SOPMOD with EOTech 552.A65 Holographic sight and SureFire M951XM05 tactical light - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:FindMakarov-M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ghost and another team member at the left with their M4A1s.]]
===Steyr AUG===
One of the Shadow Company soldiers caries a [[Steyr AUG]].
[[File:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:FindMakarov-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier about to be knifed by Soap.]]
===Remington 870===
What appears to be a [[Remington 870]] is held by an S.A.S. soldier during Soap's briefing with Price.
[[File:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 with early style black synthetic riot foregrips and buttstock - 12 gauge]]
[[File:FindMakarov-R870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The second soldier from the left with his shotgun.]]
==Find Makarov: Operation Kingfish==
===Colt M1911A1===
An [[M1911A1]] is seen on the table at the end of Soap's briefing with Lt Gen Shepherd (David Brandon George).
[[File:FMOK-M1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The unloaded M1911A1 with the slide pulled back, seen as Soap has stabbed Vladimir Makarov's picture in the eye.]]
===SIG-Sauer P226===
John Price (David Kinsman) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] at the end. The P226 also appears to be the pistol previously used by John "Soap" MacTavish (Jon Morgan).
[[File:FMOK-MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP5s seen at the end of the briefing.]]
===AK-47===
Like in the Modern Warfare series, Russian troops anachronistically use the [[AK-47]] instead of the [[AK-74M]].
[[File:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Final Production version of the Type III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:FMOK-AK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Russian soldiers running towards Price.]]
===AKS-47===
Some of the Russian soldiers carry [[AKS-47]] rifles rather than the more historically accurate [[AKS-74]].
[[File:AKS-47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type III AKS-47 with stock folded - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:FMOK-AKS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Russian soldier with his AKS-47; note the folded stock.]]
[[File:FMOK-AKS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AKS-47 dropped by a soldier blown up by Soap's M203 grenade launcher.]]
===Colt Model 727 w/ M203 Grenade Launcher===
A [[Colt Model 727]] with an [[M203 grenade launcher]] is used by Soap (Jon Morgan). Judging by the large white logo on the magazine well, it is likely an airsoft replica.
[[File:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 727 with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56x45mm/40x46mm]]
[[File:FMOK-M727-M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soap about to engage Russian soldiers.]]
===FN SCAR-L===
Simon "Ghost" Riley (Keagan Wilson) uses an [[FN SCAR-L]].
[[File:FMOK-G36C.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Roach advancing with his team.]]
===M4A1 Carbine===
The [[M4A1 Carbine]] is used by Price (David Kinsman), Sandman (Ray Davids), and Derek "Frost" Westbrook (Justin Major).
[[File:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 SOPMOD with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic, Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:FMOK-M4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Price with his M4A1.]]
[[File:FMOK-M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frost firing his M4A1 while Soap is retreating with his M727/M203 combo.]]
===Accuracy International Arctic Warfare===
When Soap hits the table and screams "Who is Kingfish?!" at the end, several rifles, along with an [[Accuracy International AW]] variant, are seen behind him.
[[File:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Accuracy International AW - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:FMOK-AW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Arctic Warfare is seen above the other rifles.]]
===Steyr HS .50===
Frost (Justin Major) uses a [[Steyr HS .50]] while wearing a Ghillie suit at the start.
[[File:FMOK-RPG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier about to fire the RPG, which is erroneously depicted with homing capabilities. The explosion seen at the right is that of a previously fired rocket that has been directed away by the AC-130's flares. Note also how, instead of having the appropriate PGO-7 scope, the launcher has an ACOG scope seemingly fixed with a tape.]]
===M203 grenade launcher===
Soap's Colt Model 727 is fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]].
[[File:FMOK-M2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2HB machine guns in front of Soap.]]
===M84 stun grenade===
After Roach detonates a breaching charge, Soap shouts "9-Bang out!", but he actually throws an [[M84 stun grenade]], not a Rheinmetall "9-Bang". Nevertheless, the grenade detonates multiple times like a 9-Bang, but six times instead of nine.
[[File:FMOK-GAU12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The GAU-12/U at the front.]]
===M102 105mm Howitzer===
[[File:Spectre M102.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Modified M102 howitzer as mounted on AC-130-series gunships - 105x372mm R]]
[[File:FMOK-Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M102 howitzer at the rear.]]
== Unknown grenade ==
Any idea what this is?
[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)
== Desert Eagle ==
Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!
:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]
::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
== Mk 14 ==
== Mk 14 ==
on the pic Price's Mk 14 has a CTR stock so it is a Mod 1 --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 13:20, 10 November 2011 (CST)
So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)
... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)
:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)
== Since it's locked... ==
Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?
"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."
Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)
How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)
Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?
:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)
::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.
[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]
Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)
== M4A1 ==
A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.
[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]
== Soap's M1911 ==
[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]
In the pic of his holster, that's not a 1911. Looks like an M9, by the grips and slide safety groove. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:03, 10 November 2011 (CST)
The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)
== reload animations ==
:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]
A lot of the reloads are still carried from the previous games but what baffles me is there are plenty of guns that have a cocking handle on the left side and even some are the same gun like the MG36 and the G36 but both cock the charging handle from different sides. I was hoping the ACR would changed, but nothing really changed. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:42, 10 November 2011 (CST)
:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)
== Beefed up gun sounds ==
:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)
I am really liking the beefed up gun shots in this game [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:42, 10 November 2011 (CST)
[[Image:Colt_Law_Enforcement_Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine looks like a used in the game - 5.56x45mm.]]
::Lol... Everything but the ARs have good sounds, and everyone else's gunfire sounds great (ie. your standing next to them). Now I'll admit I'm only about 1/2 way through the ranking so I don't have all of the guns unlocked, so I don't know what some of the later guns sound like. I will say though, the Dragunov gunshot is incredible. I mean like 100% dead on. The L118 is the right sound, BUT NOT LOUD ENOUGH!!! That gunshot should be teeth rattling! The Barrett M107 is the same way; right but not loud enough! I just cope with it by cranking the volume when no one's home :D --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 07:36, 11 November 2011 (CST)
:::Actually, this was one of the things I really ''didn't'' like in this game, they all sound like they were made on a computer as opposed to being recorded. Think of the M200 in MW2, and a few others, they sound like, well, it's hard to describe, but something like metal hitting against metal? I dunno, but the Desert Eagle's sound in this is very bad compared to COD4 [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:31, 11 November 2011 (CST)
:Not quite, this thing doesn't have a continuous top rail, there's a gap between the handguard and upper. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:37, 8 December 2013 (EST)
::::That's what I think the Assault Rifles and quite a few LMGs sound like. They finally fixed the pistols and sniper rifle's sounds, but totally messed up the others! What the heck? --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:50, 11 November 2011 (CST)
::Yes, you're right. Here's another resembling version.
[[Image:Colt_6720_Lightweight_Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt LE 6720 Lightweight 16 Carbine - 5.56x45mm.]]
M4A1 model in the game seems to be drawn from these two versions.
To be honest folks, this game turned out really good in the end. The gameplay doesn't feel as noobified like the last game was, the graphics, game engine and gameplay is more sharper and cleaner this time around as opposed to the glitches and bugs in second game, the multiplayer isn't so bland, the SpecOps feel more polished and fun, and the game's story explained a whole lot more stuff to the overall plot than Modern Warfare 2 did, and it left it on a more appropriate closure to the series. All in all, a good game. Maybe it's nothing groundbreaking in the "realism" factor (We'll leave that to Battlefield), but it still turned out to be a damn good game, and definitely worth the price. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 05:42, 11 November 2011 (CST)
::After watching the whole Singleplayer playthrough, and some MP stuff too, I agree. While (to me) it doesn't beat MW1, it sure is better than MW2 and BO. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:31, 11 November 2011 (CST)
== "USP Tactical" ==
:Modern Warfare 3 had the gameplay of Modern Warfare 2, but has more-balanced multiplayer content (though the multiplayer is obviously borrowed from Modern Warfare 2), gameplay, perks, satisfying story with clear parts (unlike Modern Warfare 2, which had a muddled plot), and like everyone said, realistic gun sounds. Even though it is not as successful or good as the older Call of Duty games and the other modern FPS games, it is overall the best video game set during modern times. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 20:33, 11 November 2011 (CST)
:::Well, it being the best modern shooter is your opinion, and I'm certainly not trying to say that it's ''wrong'', but for me MW1 and BF3 both take the that title. I agree with your summary though. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:21, 11 November 2011 (CST)
I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)
== MP5K? ==
:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.
Is there actually an MP5K in the game, or is this just an MP5A2 that someone misidentified ages ago? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:32, 12 November 2011 (CST)
:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)
:No, that is actually an MP5K (you can see the name on the right is "MP5K holographic," and the hold is with the PC's thumb covering more of the rail, implying it's shorter), it was just cut from the final game. It's quite likely that when the dev console codes come out you'll be able to call it up in singleplayer with a "give" cheat. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:45, 12 November 2011 (CST)
So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)
::As we all know a lot of things in Call of Duty games are copy-pasted from previous ones, and since what we see of the K looks identical to the MW3 MP5, and we can see the reload animation is copy-pasted from the MW2 K, so I'm betting they copy-pasted the whole gun, changed the model, but didn't change the name til after that video. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:26, 12 November 2011 (CST)
:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:
:::This MP5K (if that is what it is, am still not 101% convinced) isn't the one from MW2 as has different rail system and a solid butt. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:40, 12 November 2011 (CST)
::::You misunderstood, the MW3 MP5K we're looking at, and the normal MP5 in MW3 look the same. The game files for the MP5K were brought over from MW2, and it was given a new model and name, but the name hadn't been changed yet as of the video. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:53, 12 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::I don't think so, the one labelled as an MP5K looks shorter. Edit: Actually, looking at the Spec-Ops trailer and my own caps you might be right, it's the MW3 MP5 but he's holding it like it's an MP5K because it doesn't have new hand positions yet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:35, 12 November 2011 (CST)
:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)
== RSASS Secondary Sight on the Wrong Side ==
::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Has anybody else noticed that the red dot secondary sight is mounted in the wrong (left) side? If your holding the gun as a rightie, than it needs to be on the right side so that the hand holding the pistol grip just has to twist outwards. With it being on the left side, you have to twist your hand inwards to be able to look through the sight, and between a pistol grip in the gut, no stock surface on your shoulder, a magazine getting in the way of your support hand, and a 100% unnatural face angle, it ain't happening. But what else is new. Go figure. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 08:09, 13 November 2011 (CST)
Just want to note that the suppressed USP with tactical knife in "Eye of the Storm" is also identified by name as a Tactical. It may be a side effect of the naming scheme in-game rather than actually referring to the real-world model, though; "Stronghold" gives the player a suppressed P99 with tactical knife that is also identified as "P99 Tactical". [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 13:03, 1 August 2012 (CDT)
:You'd think you'd just put it on the top or side of the scope, regardless. But the left hold kinda works if you're willing to stick your "wing" right out for it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 13 November 2011 (CST)
== "MG36" ==
::I noticed that too but I just figured they wanted the player to see it. Even though it's wrong, I think it's still cool that they tried it. reminds me of Jerry Miculek doing a 3 gun match.--[[User:Acepeacemaker|Acepeacemaker]] 20:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)
This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::That's probably it, and also probably the reason for some other subtle reasons such as the Pechang LMG feeding from the wrong side and so on. I personally know that if I couldn't see it in game, I probably would forget about it. They pretty much dropped realism for gameplay. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 20:25, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)
== Barrett ==
:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Price used an M82A1 in Pripyat as the M107 wasn't even developed 15 years before 2011. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 07:30, 15 November 2011 (CST)
::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:Oh, whoops. Although a weapon not being invented yet has historically never been a problem for this series, you know. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 November 2011 (CST)
Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::CoughBlackOpsCough..... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 07:53, 15 November 2011 (CST)
:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::OMFG, is that a suppressed RSASS between the two RPG's? In '96? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:34, 15 November 2011 (CST)
The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)
::::See? SEE?! [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:42, 15 November 2011 (CST)
The "MG36" is fitted with iron sights from the MP7 model, except they're actually raised when not equipped with an optic attachment. Just sayin'. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 12:56, 10 March 2018 (EST)
:CoD... CoD... -_- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 09:02, 15 November 2011 (CST)
==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)
Also, the helicopter flying past is an Mi-28N (round ball above the rotor), which wasn't delivered until 2006. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:10, 15 November 2011 (CST)
I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)
:Exactly. I recently updated CoD4:MW's main page about that issue. But something else I would like to know if in anyway, is it matter if Price used the M82A1 rather than the L96, even though the British Army does using the M82A1? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:24, 15 November 2011 (CST)
During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)
::The range involved, you'd be pushing things with just a 7.62. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]
== More guns ==
:::Ah, okay. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:42, 15 November 2011 (CST)
In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)
::::Back then a Barrett M82A1 would be the correct weapon for an SAS sniper at long range. Although the M82A1 is still in the British army inventory, The AW50F tends to be favoured nowadays by both special forces and regulars (mainly EOD and anti material), so this weapon choice is chronologically correct although I think this is purely by accident. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:10, 15 November 2011 (CST)
Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)
:::::Sigh, RSASSs... At least the weapons in the two flashback missions were close to being right, at most a couple years too early, but these? Really? Of all the guns they could have picked for that scene :P [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:58, 15 November 2011 (CST)
:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)
:To give Blops one point, the framing device does add some scope for ridiculous weapons (the action is being recounted by a man who's half dead, dosed up to the eyeballs on drugs and being tortured), though that in turn raises the question of why the interrogator is apparently letting him describe exactly how he shot every single person. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:02, 18 November 2011 (CST)
== Type-95 is a 97 ==
==EOTech XPS Logo==
When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)
There's nothing ridiculous about it, it actually ''is'' that big. [http://webyshops.com/ns/images/EOTech/EOTech-EXPS2-2-Holographic-Sight-2-dot-Ballistic-Reticle-with-3X-Magnifier-and-FTS-Mount-Flipped-View-MPO-III-Pic1.jpg] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:59, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:Actually, there's still something ridiculous about that. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:12, 16 November 2011 (CST)
==Soap's P99==
::How come? It's the same one. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 05:33, 16 November 2011 (CST)
I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring
:::Because it's ridiculous in real life too. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)
== Minigun ==
On the topic of the P99, I want to say it's the 9mm version with the capacity of the .40 version, but I'm not sure - the is ''shaped'' like the .40 version, but the textures look like they're trying to imitate the indentations of the 9mm slide. My guess is either they thought the 9mm version would be more recognizable but got lazy about it, or the models and textures were made by different people who weren't on the same page as to what exact gun they were trying to make. What do you think? [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 20:02, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Are we sure it's Dillon Aero rather than Garwood Industries' [http://www.garwoodindustries.com/proddetail.php?prod=M-134G M-134G]? I can't find a Dillon with that top-mounted RIS rail, but Garwood's one has it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:44, 16 November 2011 (CST)
== MP7 Mag ==
:If you go onto YouTube, you can find people shooting Dillon Aero miniguns with rails. It's more of an aftermarket thing, but they are out there. I'm also not sure why you wouldn't be able to find a photo, as 95% of handheld military arms have rails on them. Since the adoption of the M16A3/A4, rails have become pretty much standard on everything that might remotely need a sight. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 07:45, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::Yeah, I meant I couldn't find a base model on their site with rails. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:06, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:::Oh well you likely won't find one then. What is likely though, is the gun is probably drilled and tapped for the rail and shipped with filler screws, so that whoever receives the gun can add a rail if they want to. It's a pretty common practice on a lot of rifles. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 08:23, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::::I wouldn't worry too much about the rail, as it is mounted in the wrong place anyway. Any sight rail I have seen on a minigun has been mounted to the yoke rather than to the gun body itself. Regardless, from the slotted flash suppressor the closest match is a GAU-17/A, which incidentally also has a sight rail. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:47, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::::[[File:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|400px|none|GAU-17/A mounted on an HH-60H Seahawk - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
::::Looking at the screencaps again, just noticed that although it has the barrel assembly of a GAU-17/A it has dome Dillon parts, including the spade grips, the gun drive motor and gun control unit. Also, when you fire the gun, does the character press down with his thumbs, because this is what it looks like in the screenshot. If so, I think that this is incorrect as the fire buttons are on the GCU and the buttons on top of the spade grips can be optionally wired up to activate things like lasers or illuminators, or to deploy flares and chaff. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:16, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Yes. He rests his thumbs together in the middle when not firing, that's "firing" even though you can't see a muzzle flash in that shot. But looking at Dillon's site, the wording implies that those switches can be used for other functions ''or'' as triggers, so it might not be wrong, just weird. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:37, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::::::The trigger on these things can be a number of different options. I've seen a butterfly trigger with 2 toggle switches (one for power, the other for rate of fire) and I have seen ones with a power toggle switch and two button triggers, both firing the the weapon but each at different rates of fire. These guns are built to order, so all that's shown on the website is a base model. Extra features can be had when someone orders it.
::::::The rail is next to useless anyway though, because the gun is intended to be walked onto target. You start firing in the general direction, then move the gun onto target by watching the tracers (every 4th or 5th round). This makes red dot sights and most lasers pretty much worthless.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 10:58, 16 November 2011 (CST)
I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::::::Well, the rail's always empty in CoD, so they might have actually got something right there. It's just there under the Black theory that adding a RIS rail makes any gun 30% better (the average gun in Black is thus roughly 270% better). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)
Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)
::::::::LOL In the shooting community here, rails are super popular among people, but they add weight onto guns REALLY fast. Taking an AR-15 and switching out a normal handguard to a quad rail immediately adds on 8-20 ounces of weight (depending on rail length). Factor in grips, lights, and lasers, it gets heavy way too fast!--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:08, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::And of course the 37mm flare launcher that you tell everyone is an M203, that's a vital part of every ridiculous range toy. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Pah those things are really cool but ridiculously heavy. They are quite a bit of fun at night though!--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:30, 16 November 2011 (CST)
I don't think those top thumb switches can be configured to fire the gun, as don't think there is an "input" into the GCU other than the main power supply. There is one plug I'm not 100% sure about, but when looking at pictures if it is attached it always goes away from the gun, possibly it is the power supply to the ammo booster if fitted but don't know. As for the rail thing, the one time a sight is handy is if you want to fire a warning shot across something, as would be a bit embarrassing to start firing and mince the target accidentally because you judged it slightly wrong. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:37, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:Ok 1st, I don't think anyone on earth would fire a warning shot with a minigun. That just seems stupid beyond belief. Another reason a sight is worthless is because it doesn't take into account windage, lead, and bullet drop, especially if moving. These are all things you have to eyeball in order to make a hit.
:As for those switches, they can. It's all about how the manufacturer sends the gun out and simple electronics. Just like I could wire up all the lights in the house to be turned on with a timer or from my car, but there's just no reason to do so. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:58, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::I am only talking about the Dillon M134D, how other manufacturer set up their fire control group is up to them, but the spade grips here are for a Dillon. The GCU has 1 input and 2 or 3 outputs. Input is main power to the gun, first two outputs are for the motor and the clutch, and the third, if connected, goes away from the gun, my guess to the ammunition booster but not 100%.
::Warning shot from a minigun is not stupid, I have done it a couple of times to discourage fast boats getting a bit too close to where they shouldn't be, and it works pretty damn well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:07, 16 November 2011 (CST)
== Fun fact ==
I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)
This screenshot
:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)
[[Image:MW3-Magnum-1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
== Always Wondered ==
Is actually ''impossible'' to get using Steam's screenshot feature, since it won't take shots during that part of the intro (loading, I guess). In the end I had to use FRAPS. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:25, 16 November 2011 (CST)
Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)
== Glock 18C/Glock 17 hybrid? ==
I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.
I couldn't find a good picture to verify currectly, but even so the developers remembered to add a fire selector switch this time, let's not forget that the really really actual Glock 18C has compensator cuts on both the slider and barrel, in order to reduce the recoil (if I'm not mistaken).
:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)
[[Image:MW3-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Undeterred by this, he's soon using his Glock to blow a Russian patrol boat in half. One-handed, no less.]]
Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)
If you open the picture above in a new tab, zoom in and look closely on the slider, there are no compensator cuts. Could this be, still, the same covereted-full-auto-fire Glock 17 model from ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]'', only with a fire selector switch? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 07:41, 17 November 2011 (CST)
::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)
:It is a Glock 18 not the 18C. Whoever wrote the "C" was wrong. Real G18C can be seen in [[GRAW]] for example. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:22, 17 November 2011 (CST)
:: +1 for the normal Glock 18. The C stands for compensator, and since it doesn't have one, It won't be a Glock 18C, just a normal Glock 18.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 09:00, 17 November 2011 (CST)
:::Okay, guys, thanks for answering that :) --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 09:58, 17 November 2011 (CST)
::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)
Just noticed, they have put the fire selector on backwards. WTF is wrong with these people, it takes conscious effort to make some of these mistakes. It's like they just mess with stuff for the hell of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:09, 17 November 2011 (CST)
:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)
:It's a little hard to tell, but it looks like it's on correctly. But as a side note, I wouldn't be surprised if they read these entries and switch stuff last minute just to mess with us lol...
::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)
:A side note that I noticed: The Glock 18 has way to little recoil for being uncompensated. The compensator removes about 1/2 the muzzle climb, however for being uncompensated and full auto, it really doesn't seem to have that much recoil.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:29, 17 November 2011 (CST)
::In the above image you can see the "pointer" on the fire selector, which is pointing backwards (If you zoom in you can see part of the circle of the selector above the straight "pointer" part which you wouldn't see if it was pointing forwards correctly). On a real Glock 18 the two positions are both forwards (up for semi down for auto). An easier way to see that it is wrong is in the create a class menu:
::[[File:Weapon g18 large.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
::The serrations are in the wrong place due to this, and the selector is too far back as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:06, 17 November 2011 (CST)
Gotchya. I wasn't sure if in the photo it was the pointer or a shadow, but I see it now. Go figure...--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 17:28, 17 November 2011 (CST)
::Also the magazine is shorter than an actual 31/33 round magazine, but it's still too long for a 20 rounder, 19-round mags (17-round Glock mag with a +2 base plate) are flush fitting. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:21, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::::(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing Call of Duty?! It's an unrealistic portrayal of firearms, now get back on the computer and play more America's Army!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, IMFDB does *not* condone child abuse) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:50, 26 February 2012 (CST)
== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==
::::::(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing America's Army?! The son of a Marine would never play this game, now get back on the computer and check if [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Days_in_Fallujah Six Days in Fallujah] is already out!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, Marines and Soldiers are known for not liking being indistinguished) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:46, 27 February 2012 (CST)
:::::::When did I indistinguish Soldiers and Marines? And sadly I doubt we'll be seeing Six Days on shelves any time soon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:24, 27 February 2012 (CST)
::::::::I didn't really comment in regards to that post, just needed something, for comedic purposes :)
::::::::And indeed, the lack of any progress on game since 2010 is disappointing :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:17, 27 February 2012 (CST)
:::::::::Believe me, I've been looking forward to Six Days for a while. The game is supposedly finished and ready to ship, but no publisher seems to have the balls to distribute it. It could become the ''Thrill Kill'' of shooter games (i.e., the "best fighting game you've never played", as it's so frequently referred to as). Funny how almost all of the criticism for it (as well as Medal of Honor 2010) came mostly from foreign entities. Yeah, the British and the Danish "disagree" with two games that revolve around the ''US'' military, but no one over there seems to have any problems with the SAS-starring Modern Warfare series. Kind of bizarre how that works out, huh? ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:51, 27 February 2012 (CST)
::::::::::Medal of Honor was banned from selling in US Military Bases, wasn't it? But yes, the highly vocal boycotting of these 2 games, and not CoD: MWs, by British is really suspicious and looks more like propaganda stuff...
::::::::::Should Atomic Games have gone indie with the game, the lack of publisher wouldn't be an obstacle :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:18, 28 February 2012 (CST)
:::::::::::I thought all the shit with Medal of Honor was because it let people play as a faction explicitly named as the Taliban until EA caved under pressure and changed it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 04:22, 28 February 2012 (CST)
::::::::::::That was the seed that the criticism tree sprouted from, yes. I still think it's just the fact that the US military takes center stage in them instead of second fiddle like in CoD, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:38, 20 July 2012 (CDT)
== UMP.45 Manufacturer ==
Did anyone else notice that while MW2's UMP was manufactured by Heckler & Koch in Sterling, Virginia, MW3's model was made by the infamous "Gunnery Gun Co."? Just putting it out there, in the event that an admin wants to add some smarmy remark (Best damn parts of the article...)
:Which is totally inaccurate, since everyone knows UMPs are made by Pooder & Chernoosky like the G36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:58, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Really? I could've swore the UMP and the G36 came from Hitler & Krotch in Nazi-Land, Europe.
== Overkill perk icon ==
Since the ''Call of Duty 4'' and ''World at War'' pages refer to the weapons present in their Overkill icons, I figure we should do so for this game as well. [http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120120134554/callofduty/images/1/1e/Overkill_perk_MW3.png What's this look like to you guys?] My best guess is some form of AK without a magazine, though since there doesn't seem to be a release lever, I'd rather have someone else look at it to make sure. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 17:48, 12 May 2012 (CDT)
It really is impossible to tell for sure. It's just to vague. There are no markings whatsoever. [[User:Barrett50|Barrett50]] 15:05, 6 August 2012
== FAD three round burst ==
Unless I'm somehow doing something really wrong, I'm pretty sure the FAD doesn't have a three round burst when the fire button is tapped. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]]
:<strike>If there even is a three-round burst on the gun, it could just be a multiplayer thing - I didn't get it to do that either, but I only tested the SP version.</strike> Alright, apparently Survival mode uses the multiplayer versions of guns. It still was not firing in bursts when I tapped the trigger. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 16:34, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
==M249==
can a mod add this? well at least phrase it in?
the configuration that this m249 have, doen't make it an FN minimi? which the M249 based on, and when clicked, redirected to Fn minimi.
: [[Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_3#M249_Para_SAW]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:40, 28 June 2012 (CDT)
== Special Ops/Survival weapons stats + Beretta 92SB in campaign ==
At the start of the pages it says that "Special Ops mode and Survival use the singleplayer weapon stats and abilities unless otherwise noted". Actually it's only the case for the Special Ops mode, while the Survival mode uses the multiplayer weapons stats and abilities, the exceptions being the weapons bought from the "equipment" armory (such as the riot shield, C4, grenades, etc.)
Also, information about the Beretta 92SB (called M9 in-game) from MW1 and MW2 should be added, as this handgun can rarely be found in the mission "Goalpost" (you can see that in some videos in youtube)--[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] 14:15, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
:The reference to sniper rifles having dual sights shouldn't really be there, either - that's a one-time thing on the RSASS from "Eye of the Storm" and doesn't show up anywhere else. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 17:38, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
== Beretta 92SB ==
It is useable in the mission "Goalpost". Delta Force operators will draw the 92SB after running out of ammo with their primary weapon. Dead operators will sometimes drop the Beretta. It is a recycled MW2 M9, and uses the same firing sound. - [[User:1morey]] August 6, 2012 5:30 PM (EST)
:I'll take a look and get a shot if I can find one. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:19, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
::Maybe it will be hard to find one in Goalpost, so if you can't take screenshots of it in this level, we can still add another point: in the downloadable special ops mission "Special Delivery", the wounded soldier at the end holds a 92SB. Also, maybe we should add info about the new "Starstreak" launcher in the FIM-92A Stinger section (the Starstreak weapon uses the same model as the Stinger) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] 14:30, 18 August 2012 (CDT)
[http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/1/17/M9_Goalpost_MW3.jpg Here's a shot].[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 18:35, 12 February 2013 (EST)
:Heh, I uploaded that one. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
== M16A4 with optics ==
The M16A4 still has the front sight/gas block removed when aftermarket optics are added, just like in the last two games. Figured that'd be worth a mention. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 22:03, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
:I just took another look; you can see a low-profile gas block on the M4 when reloading the M203, but the M16 player model is too long to really tell if there's something there or not. I'll take a look at one on the ground later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:30, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
::Took a look at it myself while testing out the Terminal port from ''MW2'' in Survival. No front sight as usual with alternate optics, but at the same time [http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/1/10/Weapon_m16a4_large.png the Create-a-Class image for the gun] seems to have the front sight ''within'' the handguard, so there could be a low-profile gas block within it. That or whoever made the Create-a-Class image doesn't know AR-15's. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:41, 28 August 2012 (CDT)
:::Well, ''that's'' sad. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:05, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
::::I'd say that's pretty much certain since the fire selector is set to "look I just broke the fire selector." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:39, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
:::::That's the most dangerous and efficient firing mode ever fielded to the operators. It always takes 'the enemy' by surprise.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 03:28, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
Replayed Act 1, found some more tidbits about the M16 and a few guns:
1.) The M16A4 effectively replaces the M4A1 as the standard weapon of US forces in "Goalpost" after Rhino Two-One is knocked out in the parking garage. This is pretty much its only consistent appearance in Campaign mode.
2.) NPC allies equipped with the M16A4 in "Goalpost" seem to have working fire selectors: I saw one guy fire single shots at one point and then fire bursts five minutes later.
3.) I ''think'' I saw an ally in "Goalpost" pull out a Beretta 92SB, but I'm not 100% sure since he didn't actually fire it and switched back to his rifle before I could get a clear close-up look.
4.) Sergeant Wallcroft and a few of the other SAS men in "Mind the Gap" have [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:MW3-MP7Holster.jpg an MP7A1 with 20-round magazine in their sidearm holsters], rather than the USP Tactical the player and most of the other SAS have. This seems to be the sole appearance of the MP7 in Campaign. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 21:27, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
:I've figured out what makes allies pull their sidearms but it's going to be a pain to actually make it happen deliberately; they have to fire their last shot from their main weapon away from cover (otherwise they reload) and without killing whoever they were firing at. And without dying, which is what usually happens when they're in such a position. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:50, 17 January 2013 (EST)
::Well, [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:MW3-Beretta.jpg I managed it.] And also, since I apparently refuse to let this topic drift away from the M16A4, [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:MW3-M16MW2.jpg I found this too]: equip the M203 on an M16A4 with it in singleplayer and the whole thing will switch to the ''MW2'' model. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
:::Does that happen in every level, or just that one? The reason I ask is that Goalpost is the one with the different Mk 14 player model, so it's rather likely it's yet another placeholder. I'll have to go back through to get 16:9 caps of those two anyway.
:::I swear this is some horrible conspiracy to make everyone play the worst level in the entire game over and over. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:27, 11 February 2013 (EST)
::::I'm pretty sure it's just this level, considering the M16A4 is generally only available in one mission per game in this series. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
== QBZ-97 3-round burst ==
In the "QBZ-97" section it is stated that the 3-round burst mode is incorrect for this weapon. This fire mode is actually available on the QBZ-97A variant (an improved export model of the QBZ-97), so probably this is the variant featured in-game (if it is not, someone should still mention in the page that the 3-rd burst exists for the QBZ-97A variant) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:00, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
== "AK-47" Furniture ==
I might be somewhat late for the party, but if it is worth noting, I'd say that AK is fitted with a handguard similar to Midwest Industries' one (with rail covers) and its scope mount resembles Belarusian PB-02.
== Is the AA-12 the full scale version? ==
The create-a-class image has a shorter barrel and I know you can get a short-barrelled version. Can someone compare the picture on the page with the c-a-c image and see if it's still right.
Since the MW3 page can't be edited, I thought I would point out a minor thing; in a caption to one of the P90 pictures pointing out the "dual scope" attachment, it states that it is multiplayer-only; however, this isn't correct, because the attachment is featured in at least one mission in the campaign (the opening mission). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] ([[User talk:Dirty Harold|talk]]) 15:40, 24 December 2012 (EST)
:No it can't, you're thinking of the hybrid scope. The HAMR scope is never available in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:06, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Harold is right. I've used it in at least two of the single player missions. It's hard to mix up the HAMR with the hybrid since the former only works on SMG's in the game and the latter is for Assault Rifles/Carbines along with the fact that they look completely different. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 11:56, 25 December 2012 (EST)
:Could you tell me in which missions the HAMR appears, then? The P90 picture says the ''HAMR'' duel optic isn't in any of the missions, I know very well the Hybrid Scope is since I have pictures of it on this page in the first level and "Scorched Earth." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:12, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I know for sure you can use it in the first level. I can't remember the name of it but it is in the level where you're in India and you have to escort Soap to the Little Bird and you're playing as Yuri. Those are the only ones I can remember it in. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 13:06, 26 December 2012 (EST)
:I've never seen it in the first level, and I'm fairly sure there aren't even any SMGs in Persona Non Grata, let alone ones with HAMR Scopes. I really think you're just mis-remembering this. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:21, 26 December 2012 (EST)
::Eh, I may very well have been. It's been awhile since I played through the campaign. But Puppet claims to have seen it, now; I don't know. At any rate, feel free to disregard this now... blame it on my senility. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] ([[User talk:Dirty Harold|talk]]) 18:43, 26 December 2012 (EST)
Well I know I'm not mis-remembering because I've used them and played the single player more times than I can count. And there are SMG's in Persona Non Grata(Thank you by the way for saying what the mission was called) because I've picked up quite a few P90's while working my way through the mission. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 19:29, 26 December 2012 (EST)
:I'm not saying I don't believe you (well, ok, I am) but I've played through those levels plenty of times too and I've never seen the HAMR outside multiplayer. Could you get a screenshot? Even a photo of a TV screen is fine, but obviously it's much easier for you to prove it is there than for me to show you a picture of something that isn't in the picture. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:18, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Understandable. I'll see what I can do. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 12:26, 29 December 2012 (EST)
If this hasn't already been settled yet, I just replayed the first three levels in search of a HAMR scope, and from what I've seen it appears that Evil Tim is right on both counts - there are no SMGs at all in Persona Non Grata (they could be dropped by allies for all I know, but this time through it seemed every one of them had a PKP), and the ones available in Black Tuesday and Hunter Killer do not have HAMR scopes. ACOGs, red dots, and holographics, yes, but no HAMRs. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 21:41, 14 January 2013 (EST)
Sorry it took so long but I have a screenshot of a P90 in the mission "Persona Non Grata" but I have no idea how to add it. I'm still looking for a P90 with a HAMR sight in the game, but so far no luck. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 12:35, 17 January 2013 (EST)
:Do like I did for that MP7 image above: upload it and link to it here on the talk page. Even if nobody puts it on the actual page, at least you have proof. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
==AT4==
The AT4 is available in Persona non Grata but cannot be seen without noclip. Anyone want to take a shot?
*[http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/AT4#Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_3 section on COD wiki.]
[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 18:38, 12 February 2013 (EST)
== Got to laugh ==
You've got to laugh at some of the captions on the MW3 page. You'd actually think this was real-world and not a game. It isn't real life and is bound to make a few mistakes!! --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] ([[User talk:Ritch|talk]]) 01:49, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
:I've gotta laugh at you for expecting a website dedicated to the portrayal of firearms in media to ''not'' point out the mountains of ridiculous mistakes that IW and Treyarch make time after time after time after time in these games. The constant screw ups are what actually turned me off to this game series. You might find the CoD wiki is a better community for you. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:27, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
:You reckon it might be a better community for me? Oh well, thanks for the suggestion. I think I'll stick around here seeing as I am entitled to my opinion and I'm not a fan of the game. I came to this page for information and just said what I found. --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] ([[User talk:Ritch|talk]]) 12:16, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
::You came to the page for information and are objecting that there is too much? With any piece of media if there are glaring errors with how a particular gun is portrayed (for example films with pump action noise on a double barrelled shotgun, safety catch talk for a Glock, stuff like that) there is not problem with mentioning it. With games like this that are played by a wide audience who are not necessarily knowledgeable about firearms, they can lead to a lot of misinformation about certain guns, and if we can help prevent that then I don't see the issue with pointing out the mistakes and inaccuracies that were made. What captions in particular do you think are over the top nit-picky? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:15, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
::The fact that it makes mistakes is not a good reason to ignore them. Nothing wrong with the captions here, I should know because I wrote them. Also, the statement "you are entitled to your opinion" means people will not come around your house with tyre irons and beat it out of you, it does ''not'' mean that ''we'' are entitled to your opinion, or that your opinion is automatically considered worthwhile, logically justified or factual. Lose the attitude, please. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:41, 14 April 2013 (EDT)
== RPD ==
The [http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/c/ce/Africa_militiaman_holding_the_RPD_Return_to_Sender_MW3.png RPD Model from COD4] appears in a cutscene for the mission Return to Sender.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 18:32, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
I uploaded the image, but it appears the page is locked so that only admins can edit it.
[[File:Modwar3RPD.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 10:52, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
:Yeah, I uploaded my own a little after anyway, it's up there now. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:45, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
==Changing Minebea M-9 image==
I made a change on the Minebea M-9 image to make it consistent so that the filenames consist of "File:Minebea M-9 submachine gun (New).jpg" and "File:Minebea M-9 (old).jpg". I can't change it since the page is locked. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 00:40, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
== FN SCAR-L ==
Perhaps it just seems to me, but the first generation of the FN SCAR-L is much larger in appearance resembles a model represented in the game?
[[Image:Scar l-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|First Generation FN SCAR-L with M68 Aimpoint scope and Grippod foregrip - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
:Wouldn't have surprised me if it were the case (games like this seem to be in some bizarre time-loop where everything in current military use has been replaced, but solely by prototypes and concept mock-ups of 5+-year-old guns), but the [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:SCAR-L_3rd_person_MW3.png third-person model] and [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:SCAR-L_menu_icon_MW3.png Create-a-Class icon] indicate it's third-gen. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 02:17, 22 February 2014 (EST)
== ACR ==
The ACR 6.8 in-game as a longer barrel than the military Remington ACR (as seen [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:ACR_6.8_Red_Dot_Sight_Third_Person_MW3.png here] and [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:Russian_Commando_firing_ACR_6.8_MW3.png here], though I'm not sure if this also applies to the 1st person model). Should this make it the civilian Bushmaster variant? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:54, 6 January 2015 (EST)
:It looks like it's the 14.5 on the in-game model ([http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:ACR_6.8_Cocking_MW3.png this] doesn't look as long as the one on the third person model), but we've got some pictures of Remington ACRs with 16 inch barrels on [[Talk:Bushmaster ACR]], so I don't think it would mean it's a different model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:04, 6 January 2015 (EST)
::Eh, right, I forgot about the 16.5 barrel. But what specific components allow us to to differentiate between the Remington and Bushmaster ACR? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:45, 6 January 2015 (EST)
:::Well, aside from the giant Remington logo that's a but of a giveaway as to which version it's supposed to be, I think the handguard with bigger vents is only on the Remington ACR. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:01, 6 January 2015 (EST)
::::Yeah, regarding the handguard, that was in my mind, thanks for clarifying. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:29, 6 January 2015 (EST)
== Regarding the Colt Anaconda ==
It can actually be used in singleplayer, in the mission "Bag and Drag", though it is extremely rare (just like the Beretta 92SB in Goalpost) since it can only be obtained from the allied GIGN if they get into CQC fights with the enemies. I can post a couple of screencaps if someone wants proof, but they're unusable on the main page since they're taken off the TV and I don't have the game on PC. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:00, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
:I always thought that the only way they ever got those out was if they emptied their primary weapon at an enemy without killing them, they'd transition to their pistol rather than doing their reloading animation for their rifle. I've never got one of the guys in Goalpost to pull his sidearm and I finally got tired of it since it's the most boring level in the franchise, but I might give bag and drag a go to see if I can find one. Crap screenshot would be ok here on the talk page just to confirm it happens, I'll add it to the article then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:38, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
::I wouldn't really recommend you to try checking it, since finding these two handguns is a freakin' pain in the ass :P Anyway, allies do usually draw their handguns after emptying their primary weapon in the middle of a gunfight, but this didn't work for me in Bag and Drag, and neither did it in Goalpost, as they kept on stupidly reloading their primaries in front of the enemy. It's by pure luck that I managed to get akimbo 92SBs in the latter, from an ally's body (regarding this pistol you can find YouTube videos showing it in the mission). Anyway, here you go:
::[[File:MW3-Magnum.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The solider on the right is Sabre, who got into a hand-to-hand fight with an enemy and finished him off with his Colt Anaconda.]]
::In this playthrough, I got the Colt Anaconda from Tueur, another GIGN soldier who usually gets killed in this mission (unlike Sabre and Faucon). He got into a CQC fight and drew his revolver, but lost against his opponent. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:49, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
:::Another fine example of Infinity Ward's realistic choices in weapons. Kinda glad they gave up and moved to sci-fi crap. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 14:18, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
::::Unlike most YouTubers :P --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:51, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::Doesn't GIGN actually use revolvers? (A few seconds later) Yes they [http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/meet-frances-elite-revolver-toting-counter-terrorism-un-1678793691 do!]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:24, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::Reason being that they're easier to use in front of riot shield, I wish Montagne could do that in Rainbow 6.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:13, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Seemed like Mr Wolf didn't know that they use revolvers, that's why i linked to that article.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:46, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::They don't use Anacondas though, so the point still stands. That is like justifying a Navy SEAL carrying a Desert Eagle by saying that they use SIGs. As for why they use revolvers still, although the shield thing is debatable true, it is not really the reason. They just historically preferred the .357 cartridge and the reliability and simplicity of a revolver as a CQB weapon. They are used by GIGN more widely than just shield carriers. In fact, I believe that they have started to use Glocks with a 33 magazine with a shield due to it being so hard to reload (they may also carry their MR-73 still as a secondary weapon). S&W made a revolver which they tried to market for police use with a shield (M&P R8) but I have never heard of anyone using it in this capacity. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:36, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::The difference between an Anaconda and whatever revolvers the GIGN use is not nearly as big as the difference between a SIG and a damn Desert Eagle. But why waste time arguing about this anyway...--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:48, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::They are two weapons of very different size and weight, firing a different cartridge, one of which is a serious military/police weapon whilst the other is a novelty/niche hunting weapon. Doesn't seem that far off to me. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:56, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::::I wasn't saying it was unrealistic for the GIGN to use revolvers, just the Colt Anaconda specifically. It's pretty cool that they still use .357 revolvers. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:54, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:
== Winchester Model 1887 ==
[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
[http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/02/07/chiappa-t-series-1887-shotgun-pistol/ Another attempt] of replicating video games stuff. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:01, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:It's name implies it's suppose to be Terminator 2 inspired. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:24, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
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== I can't be the only one ==
== Fictional Drone is not so fictional... ==
[[image:CODBO-TDIVector.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
According to Howe Technologies Ripsaw MS2. At least according to www.igcd.net --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:50, 2 December 2016 (EST)
:You realise a Ripsaw is like six or seven feet tall, right? Also the tracks and running gear are completely wrong for a Ripsaw.[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:23, 2 December 2016 (EST)
::There are some similarities in general shape, but at the most this is only vaguely based on a Ripsaw. If you compare [http://img.scout.com/sites/default/files/styles/primary_image/public/2016/04/19/ripsaw-army-test.png this] to [http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty/images/c/c2/UVG_MW3.png/revision/latest?cb=20121013175636 this] there are a lot of differences. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:38, 2 December 2016 (EST)
Immediatly after I seen that on igcd i put here, so well, thanks commando... and Evil Tim I never seen a Ripsaw in my life before commando552 showed.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 14:57, 2 December 2016 (EST)
Whenever I look at this image I feel an urgent need to photoshop Bill and Ted in either side of him and add the caption "EXCELLENT!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:34, 19 November 2011 (CST)
On another note, the PP-90M1 section incorrectly has "9x18mm" in the caption, whereas it's actually chambered in 9x19mm. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:56, 15 January 2017 (EST)
Should we add it. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 05:24, 28 February 2017 (EST)
Did Colt have a licensing agreement with MW3, as well because if you look at the charging handle of the CM901, it has the Colt logo printed on it. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 09:49, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:It is a made up launcher based on the Stinger model, so have just added a note for it in that section. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:05, 28 February 2017 (EST)
:I've got an image of the thanks section from the credits which includes everyone who advertised, I'll post it up when I get home. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)
== Some caption notes ==
::Cool, thanks man. [[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:35, 20 November 2011 (CST)
[[Image:MW3-Thanksto-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
Two additions I can think of:
"Colt Defense LLC." Oddities include thanking "Desert Eagle" ''and'' Magnum Research, Barrett ''and'' Barrett Rifles, and that they got help from Degroat, a company that refurbishes miniguns; I guess explaining why they're GAU-17/As with Dillon bits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:31, 21 November 2011 (CST)
1.) In the last screenshot from the RSASS section: while the production Mi-28N showing up in 1996 is an anachronism, it might be worth noting that those still at least actually showed up in the original CoD4 level - the RSASS's leaning on a crate weren't there the first time around.
:I find it amazing that the developers actually included '''Bobby Kotick''' in the special thanks section. -- Long Fallen 20:25, 21 November 2011 (CST)
2.) In the section for the GP-30: this is more of a nitpick, but I'm not sure I like picking on Bad Company specifically for loading an incorrect M203 grenade into a GP-series launcher, as if it was the first game to do so and/or the reason everyone else does it, when Call of Duty was doing it first (November 2007 for CoD4 vs June 2008 for Bad Company). [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 19:23, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
::"Thanks for not firing us yet!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:01, 21 November 2011 (CST)
: On that second one, TBH, I think you're reading a bit too much into it (one link is 'picking on' said game?). That said, we make notes like that all over the site, I don't see a real issue. I certainly see no reason to replace it with a note about CoD4, if that's what you're asking. I'd suggest removing it entirely before that, but I don't think that necessary either. As for the first, I'm not quite sure what you're going for there.. I suppose a reference to the previous game wouldn't hurt but again I don't necessarily see the need for it either. All-told, for your complaint about the page supposedly poking at one game it sounds like you're wanting it to instead poke at CoD4, which well, I just don't see as actually adding anything to the page itself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:20, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
::The first suggestion is just going along with the "time travel" joke that's already there - Zakhaev not only has multiple units of a helicopter at a point in time where even its prototype hadn't ever flown yet, but now he also has sniper rifles that not only didn't exist at that point in time, but also ''were not there'' the first time we were made privy to the events of that day. As for the second, I'm not complaining that we're calling out ''Bad Company'' for making the same mistake, because there's no doubt that it did - my issue is that the wording in the caption suggests that it was the first and/or only other game to ever do that, when as I demonstrated above that is clearly not the case. I wouldn't disagree to keeping the link to ''Bad Company'' there alongside one to ''Call of Duty 4'' if we change it, but still, CoD4 would be a more accurate and reasonable comparison because A) it made the same mistake half a year before ''Bad Company'' was even released, and B) it's actually in the same series and at least at some point in time had most of the same developers as ''Modern Warfare 3''. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 23:54, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
:::: I gotcha now. Most of that sounds fair enough. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 03:05, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
:::On a side note, the Mi-28 was developed in the 1980s and the Mi-28N prototype was first flown in November of 1996 (at least according to Wikipedia), so I don't think it's as anachronistic as whoever stated that originally. --[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 01:29, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
::::Well, from the CoD wiki, the mission in which the Havoc is seen takes place in winter 1996, so depending when that season is, it mightn't be as erroneous as some people believe it to be. (Link: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/All_Ghillied_Up) -Ft763
:::::Talking about the Mi-28 Havoc here, not the Mi-24 Hind. For some reason, all the Hinds are replaced with Havocs in "One Shot, One Kill" mission that comes after "All Ghillied Up."--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:22, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Fixed it. -Ft763
Kevin Smith? The director? [[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 13:43, 21 November 2011 (CST)
A couple of additional notes: previously, the site's M60E4 image was incorrectly named M60E3. I renamed it, so can someone of the admins please make the appropriate change in the M60E4 section? (as well as delete the old "M60E3.jpg" redirect). Also, the AWM section lists some incorrect things;
in reality both the AW and AWM can have either folding or non-folding stocks, and it wouldn't have been correct to call the in-game weapon "L115A1" (could have been simply called "AWM" or something), because according to what is stated on Ghosts page the real L115A1 has a non-folding stock. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:14, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
:Oh and another fun fact: the in-game SCAR-L only has 1-S selector markings, just like the civilian SCAR 16S. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:48, 23 February 2019 (EST)
== M4A1 20 round magazine ==
== The page is locked from edits, so I can't add screenshots ==
I find it funny that they model 30 round magazines on the M16A4, but model 20 round mags on the M4A1 with a 30 round capacity, judging by this picture below, they look like straight 30 round mags instead of curved.
I'd like to add a few pictures or info about the MW3 guns, but whoever locked the page was angry that day and never unlocked it back. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 05:20, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
[[Image:MW3-M4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Sergeant "Sandman" prepares to throw a magazine to Westbrook at the very start of the game.]]
[[Image:MW3_SP_M60E4_grip.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60E4 (which is actually an M60E3) in single player has a grip attached. It is gray because no camo or base color is applied, and the player never touches it. It is also different from the multiplayer grip.]]
--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
[[Image:MW3_SP_M16A4_M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M16A4 with an M203 in single player.]]
:I don't think straight 30 round STANAG magazines exist. However, there were straight 25 round magazine in the early days of the M16 that are about this length, but they are rare as hens' teeth these days and would doubt that is what the developers intended. Think it is more likely that they just modelled it wrong deliberately or accidentally. They probably liked the aesthetic of a straight magazine, but a corect length 20 round would have looked conspicuously short compared to the other rifles in the game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:10, 21 November 2011 (CST)
[[Image:MW3_SP_M16A4_M203_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the M203 is selected, it instantly morphs into an MW2 model. This has to be seen to be believed.]]
:It's locked to prevent vandalism and / or addition of 4:3 aspect ratio images. I'll have to redownload it and get those in the right aspect ratio when it's done. Yaaaay, I get to play Hamburg again, it's only one of the worst levels in the series. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:49, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::The "worst level in the series" honor definitely goes to Ghosts' Sin City. Also yeah, von CAHEK, keep in mind that some games have horrible-looking images when taken in 4:3 aspect ratio; notice how your second screenshot is vertically stretched. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:48, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:::@Ultimate94ninja, my screenshots aren't stretched, note the crosshair is perfectly square, unlike some shots on Black Ops page. I play with a FOV changer, because, bloody hell, it's a PC! The default fov 65 is downright horrible and my eyes start bleeding after half an hour of playing. CoD:Ghosts was a pain due to their zero-policy to fov changers. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
:::I dunno, Hamburg is certainly the laziest, since it's basically three wide right-angled corridors filled with random junk with cutscenes between them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:33, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::::I can try to retake those screenshots in 1280x720, if you want. What am I supposed to tell my FoV Changer then, "106"? And yeah, SCREW the goddamn Hamburg mission. That "storm the beach" moment was teeth-grinding at Veteran, as well as the uselessness of a single SMAW round, it doesn't one-shot the tank anyway. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 12:36, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
:::::It's ok, I've got it reinstalled now, I'll get the shots tomorrow in 1920x1080 like the rest on the page. :) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:03, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
::::::Very well, because for some reason, my game is horribly stretched when set to widescreen resolution. "Image quality" option used to fix that, but it doesn't now. Also, the FOV changer doesn't allow value higher than 100. Good luck in Hamburg, lol [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, Hamburg is by far and away the worst. Moving up those streets where you get shot from tons of people you can't even see was a huge buzzkill. It makes me wonder how I was able to play that campaign on repeat when I was younger.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 09:52, 1 October 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
:Yeah, and I'm still baffled by them giving you a SMAW with 1 shot as your second starting weapon, what the hell is it even supposed to be for? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:18, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::I think you could optionally destroy one of the tanks at the start of the level, but you were 10 times more likely to be killed while doing so, and it would later be destroyed either way. And yeah, I agree that it's the laziest level, but I mentioned Sin City as the worst due to horrible 8-year old kids style writing (like the rest of the Ghosts campaign), as well as Hesh saying "Logan, pick up Riley! Logan, pick up Riley! Logan, pick up Riley!" literally every 5 seconds and I was like SHUT THE FUCK UP I'M SHOOTING HUNDREDS OF INCOMING FEDERATION DUDES I DON'T HAVE FOUR ARMS. And this is before we start to consider the fact that despite this, he pretty much wrote off [spoiler]'s death like it's nothing. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:04, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:::Oh yeah, I love how awful the writing in Ghosts was, they even did the whole "they killed all the bad dudes BUT THEY LEFT ONE ALIVE TO TELL HIS COMRADES" thing which was bought up in ''Band of Brothers'' as a ''joke''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 11:09, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
I haven't played the Ghosts campaign in a thousand years, so I don't remember much of that level. Was that the one when your in the mall with an escalator for a bit? 'Cause I do remember hating that one--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 12:23, 1 October 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
:No, Sin City's the one where you're in a disused ''Spec Ops: The Line'' set in Vegas and you have to...I don't know, that pyramid that's in Vegas turns up at some point. Mainly known for an incredibly hard QTE on Veteran that a lot of people thought was outright broken when the game came out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 12:42, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::All jokes aside, yeah it's the one that involves the mall and escalators, you start in the casino. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:47, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:::Still, it was all worth it for shooting a smiley face into that monitor in Federation Day and then trying to breathe as the deadly serious cutscene played out. And I though when he was talking about the mall and escalators he meant the one where you have the grenade launcher and deadly 50 cal SVD, then I belated remembered that's a stadium. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:57, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
::I'm more inclined to say it's an oversized straight magazine than a rare one (it could also be an M4 adapted to use FAMAS F1 mags, if we're being silly). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:19, 22 November 2011 (CST)
== Please move cut weapons to the talk page ==
:::There ''are'' 30 round straight STANAG magazines out there, however they are extremely rare and also unreliable because the follower tends to hang up with the magazine frame. I have seen '''maybe''' 3 of them in my 16 years of working with guns, including on the internet. The mags in the picture however are too short to be them, and they are most certainly 20 rounders. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 07:59, 22 November 2011 (CST)
The TDI Vector is a weapon cut from the final game. Please move it to the talk page because it does not merit an appearance on the main page because it did not formally appear in-game. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 22:12, 25 July 2018 (EDT)
:Eh, we have weapons in trailers and pre-release materials too if we know what they are, it's only leaks we don't put up. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:27, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
::I would personally argue that trailers and pre-release materials are not a part of the game proper, and weapons only appearing in them thus do not constitute weapons that appear in-game, and therefore should not be on the page. I personally believe that they should be on the talk page, but not on the main page. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 09:21, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
:::Well I think it's more a question of if someone might question what they are and if we know. Mostly they're holdovers from when all we had was trailers, and I don't really see the point of removing this information from a page when the game comes out. I mean, we also have behind-the-scenes images on movie pages, they don't appear in the movie. The trailer up there is a special case in that isn't part of the game and never was ''and'' has far too many weapons to just put it on the main page (we do that for live-action trailers that only have one or two guns in them like the one for FEAR 3). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:22, 27 July 2018 (EDT)
::::If you compare them to the pistol grip they're ''slightly'' too long to be 20 rounders, too, they're sorta halfway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:04, 22 November 2011 (CST)
== Striker variant ==
:::::Well that's kinda because the grip is at the wrong angle too... lol Go to my page and look at the AR-15 I have up and you'll see that the grip here is angled too far backwards, which may be part of the problem... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 08:15, 22 November 2011 (CST)
The in-game Striker variant is a Sentinel Arms Striker-12 because it features the unique drum advancing thumb tab found only on that variant. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 02:04, 20 October 2018 (EDT)
::::::Do you have any links to pics of 30 round straight magazines, as have never seen one. I thought the 30 round magazine were always curved, but the original ones had a shallower, constant curve rather than the subsequent ones which are straight inside the magazine well, with a more sever curve underneath. Regardless of the grip angle, the 20 round magazine is too long:
::::::It also lacks the M4 profile barrel, and that flash hider is ridiculous, almost looks like a non-gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:07, 22 November 2011 (CST)
Ok here is a prototype that I have had on my files for a while.
Despite the identification as a G36K-based mockup of the MG36, this in-game rail looks nothing like any of the G36 rails that we have images of right now, not even that of the reference image. It doesn't even look like the G36C rails in the same game. Does anybody have any idea what rail this is?
It lacks the cutout for the normal mag catch because it was designed for another gun (can't remember exactly what). Those 30 round straight mags may very well be converted magazines for other mags done before AR mags were widely available. Also, the grip angle looked worse in the in-game photo than the game picture of the gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 09:27, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[Image:MW3-G36-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|G36C rails for comparison.]] --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 01:27, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Ok upon doing further research here that magazine is actually a FAL magazine. Oops! I can't find any pictures on Gunbroker because once they archive their auctions you can't go back and get the pictures. Grrr... Sorry to let you down guys. Some research I found though was that the curve was given because of reliability issues found back with the original M16, therefore any 30 round straight magazines are going to be collector items and very rare. Just interesting... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 09:33, 22 November 2011 (CST)
:Might be based on the ones used by some of the Airsoft G36s made by Evike, [https://www.evike.com/products/69387/ example]. They seem to have increased the spacing between rail sections, probably just to avoid visual artifacting. Looks like the normal attachment screws have been replaced with bigger thumbscrews, which is the sort of change you could easily get away with on an Airsoft weapon. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:19, 14 December 2018 (EST)
::The grip is probably at least in part due to perspective. The picture Commando posted does look to be a static render of the same in-world gun model that Sandman is carrying, it's just that one's tilted towards us while the one in my pic is tilted away. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:39, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::Poor modeling I'd say, CoDs tend to have poor details in the models, just look at the difference between the realistic rendition of the troy sights in BO1 and the poor attempt in MW2. Oh and btw the "abnormally raised sights" are MP7 sights. Also why is the MW3 page still locked? I understand it was to prevent some trolling and vandalism but come on, its locked like for years now. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:41, 14 December 2018 (EST)
Did anyone notice the gas piston block on top of the receiver? Look at the rear sight, then look forward a millimeter. It's obviously not a removable riser which leads me to the conclusion that it must have been modeled after an M4 with a gas piston operated upper receiver. Hmmm... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 09:48, 22 November 2011 (CST)
== M14 EBR and MK14 ==
:It's fairly well documented that their primary references are usually Airsoft guns, so it could be anything. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:53, 22 November 2011 (CST)
So if I'm reading this correctly, the only appearance of the Magpul CTR-stocked Mk 14 Mod 1 is a third-person model right? Shouldn't the first person images of the "M14 EBR" be moved to the Mk 14 Mod 0 section, since the first-person model is more or less the same model as the Mk 14 Mod 0 "MK14"? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 04:50, 19 January 2019 (EST)
:It's not exactly the same model, though, and putting them there would make it even more needlessly hard to explain what's going on. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:26, 19 January 2019 (EST)
::I don't think it is based on a piston gun. The raised flat top looks more like it is due to a riser as it looks very "bitty" and slapped on top (looks a bit like the back end of whatever you call those rail systems that clamp onto the flat-top, SIR?). Also, it has a regular handguard slip ring, which I don't think you could have as it wouldn't leave enough room for the piston. The handguard itself is pretty screwed up as well, with 5 large cooling holes along the top, but 7 smaller ones along the bottom, the rail along the bottom is totally flat, and along the side isn't a rail at all, but rather a series of hollow loops much further apart than the ridges on a rail. It looks like a complete frankengun monstrosity. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:14, 22 November 2011 (CST)
== Since the page will never be unlocked I will leave this here ==
::I agree, the riser looks like the rear part of MW2's RIS. And this RIS is the single worst RIS I have EVER seen, in so many ways. Also, it's funny you'd use a picture of an AR-15A3, as that's the "M4A1" in COD4 :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:24, 22 November 2011 (CST)
The handguard of the M4A1 is not KAC. It is obviously recycled from the SIR quad from MW2 but I think it is meant to resemble Surefire M73 as it is somewhat slimmed down but still has weirdly angled vent holes. The charging handle latch is either Badger Ordnance Tactical Charging Handle Latch or Wilson Combat one. Its grip is also not the A1 but incorrectly depicted A2 confirmed by the ridging on the back of the grip--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:29, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
== Delta Force Weapons ==
==Request to unlock the page for edits==
The Striker section is outdated. The reload animation in-game likely cannot work in real life, as there is no evidence that the thumb tab on the Striker can advance the drum magazine. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 19:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
: Requesting another edit to add this line to the FAD section: The empty reload animation completely ignores the cocking handle (a hook-shaped extension on the right side of the gun, next to the ejection port), and the user instead just slaps the mag again to lengthen the reload time. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 13:33, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
:: Requesting an edit with the development. Treyarch and Neversoft also help out with Modern Warfare 3. Not only Treyarch help out the actual Modern Warfare 3 game, they also ported the Wii version of the game. The whole development of Modern Warfare 3 appears in the end credits.--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 13:05, 26 October 2019 (EDT)
::: Requesting another edit: The PKP's reload animation disregards the release button on the rear of the feed tray cover, and just lifts up the feed tray cover by the rear sight. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 17:21, 10 November 2019 (EST)
:::: Minor edit request: the portrayal of the SMAW as a disposable launcher should be described as inaccurate instead of incorrect. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 04:58, 18 November 2019 (EST)
More: The MG36's bipod is recycled from the M60E3. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 17:22, 8 January 2020 (EST)
:Limpet mine used to breach the sub resembles this thing called "[https://www.slideshare.net/navydiver/pmseod21-exchange-officer-end-of-tour-report MK 3 CLAM]". --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:34, 31 January 2020 (EST)
::Another one on the pile: unlike the one in ''MW2'', the SPAS-12 here has no charging handle; its ejection port also never opens, since it's just part of the texture, meaning that applying some camouflage finishes can remove the ejection port entirely. This in spite of the fact that the pumping animation has you flip the gun over to look directly at said non-functional and/or nonexistent ejection port. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 22:20, 2 February 2020 (EST) P.S.: Also, the M240B section calls it an "M20B" at one point. Should probably deal with that.
Anyone else annoyed at the weapons used by the AI Delta Force members? Besides the issue of the 20 RD mags on the M4s, Delta is one of the most advanced spec ops teams in the world and better funded than most units within the military, but none of the AI's guns have any sort of attachment besides M203s. You'd think that if by now basic infantry in real life has optics on their guns, then an elite team like Delta would have ACOG's or Eotechs on all of their guns in a game set in 2016.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 16:27, 22 November 2011 (CST)
The M4A1's handguard appears to have [https://www.amazon.com/YWNYT-Picatinny-Handguard-Sections-Lightweight/dp/B07YJS3TQ6/ref=sr_1_56?dchild=1&qid=1583805863&s=sports-and-fitness&sr=1-56 lightweight hollow-out rails]. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 22:12, 9 March 2020 (EDT)
:And Desert Eagles... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:28, 22 November 2011 (CST)
== Someone recreated the MW3 M4A1 ==
::I just was researching Delta Force. I saw alot of pictures were operators had just a normal iron sighted M4 with an M203. Literally, only two of the multiple pictures i saw, they had no optics other than an m203.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/bdz3lm/a_modern_warfare_3_ar15/ Here it is]. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:49, 14 December 2019 (EST)
:::As they should. I would, there's nothing wrong with ironsights, it's just nowadays everyone wants a reflex sight on everything. I wouldn't want anything electronic on ''my'' gun. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:20, 22 November 2011 (CST)
: I wonder if the 20-round magazine on the M4A1 in this is an artifact from the Mk 12 that was also supposed to be in the game.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:19, 8 January 2020 (EST) PS - I've been considering installing this game on the Xbox and trying to find that AK with the Aimpoint M68 that's supposed to be in a DLC Spec Ops mission.
::::They probably don't want to be caught out by an EMP again. Seriously though, unless they are trying to keep a low profile by using indigenous weapons, special forces these days would likely have gadgets. Why would they penalise themselves by not giving themselves every possible advantage? To analogise to British SAS, when they are not trying to look like conventional forces, I have seen them using C8s with silencers, AN/PEQ-2s, flashlights, vertical grips, ACOGs, coupled magazines, P226 pistols with crimson trace grips and AN/PVS-21 goggles. I would imagine it vary much depends on the mission though, but I think I have only ever seen iron sights on a British C8 once, and that was on Salisbury plane. All of this is British rather than Delta force though, but I would imagine they would carry the same number of (if not more) gadgets. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:29, 22 November 2011 (CST)
== Request to add info to the M4A1 and the Colt CM901==
:::::That's what back-up iron sights (BIS) are for in addition to your optics. Most people have them in case their battery dies or the optics breaks...or in this case an EMP knocks them out. The D-boys should definitely not just be iron sighting it
Also, why are pages protected in the first place? Almost every page is always a work in progress anyways, this just makes it harder to edit. If anyone vandalizes the page, someone will see it and fix it.--[[User:TheFlyingDutchman|TheFlyingDutchman]] ([[User talk:TheFlyingDutchman|talk]]) 21:18, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
The Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed returns from Modern Warfare 2. It is used by Price in "Stronghold" and is seen on a table in "Back on the Grid" but can't be obtained by the player.
Spyderco Military
A Spyderco Military is used by Sandman to cut the seatbelt in the wrecked humvee at the beginning of "Black Tuesday". The same model is also used by Price to kill one of Makarov's MH-6 Little Bird pilots in "Dust to Dust".
Ocean Master Diving Knife
An Ocean Master Diving Knife is carried by Sandman in "Hunter Killer".
M1942 Machete
A slightly modified version of the M1942 Machete model from Black Ops is used by an African militant in "Back on the Grid".
Mark 82 Bomb
Mark 82 Bombs are dropped by the B-2 Spirit as part of the "Stealth Bomber" killstreak which itself is recycled from Modern Warfare 2.
Attachments
Adco SOLO Sight System/Sightmark Sure Shot
Like in Call of Duty 4, the "Red Dot Sight" is based on the Adco SOLO Sight System or some of its numerous copies like the Sure Shot reflex sight.
Docter/Burris Fastfire 3 Hybrid
The Docter/Burris Fastfire 3-esque red dot sight from Modern Warfare 2 appears on some AK-47s found in the Special Ops mission "Kill Switch". It is not available in multiplayer.
Aimpoint CompM2
The Aimpoint CompM2 appears on some AK-47s found in the Special Ops mission "Kill Switch". It is erroneously treated like the ACOG, even sharing its reticle. It is not available in multiplayer.
EOTech EXPS3
The EOTech EXPS3 appears as the "Holographic Sight". It is inaccurately depicted with a quick detach lever from the EOTech 553.
Trijicon ACOG TA31
The Trijicon ACOG TA31 appears as the "ACOG Sight". The ACOG is depicted with an electronic reticle instead of the etched tritium-illuminated reticle.
Trijicon ACOG TA31F.
Leupold Mark 4 HAMR
The Leupold Mark 4 High Accuracy Multi-Range HAMR scope appears as the "HAMR Scope".
T14/TAM-14 Thermal Scope
The "Thermal Scope" is based on the SPI CORP T14 Thermal Scope or Nivisys TAM-14 Thermal Acquisition Monocular.
EOTech MPO III
The EOTech MPO III close-/long-range sighting system appears as the "Hybrid Sight".
Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS
The Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS M5B1 Front Focal scope appears as the "Variable Zoom".
Heartbeat Sensor
The fictional heartbeat sensor returns from Modern Warfare 2, albeit with a slightly different design, but nevertheless still based on the M314 Motion Tracker from the Alien franchise.
Grip
An unknown vertical foregrip appears in the menu image for the "Grip" attachment, though when used on weapons, the actual model is of a KAC foregrip.
It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. Evil Tim 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - Kenny99 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - Mr. Wolf 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --Funkychinaman 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --ThatoneguyJosh 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
The thing is while commercials are not allowed, trailers usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. Evil Tim 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --ThatoneguyJosh 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly all having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. Evil Tim 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - Kenny99 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are not trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be way bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. Evil Tim 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)
^Isn't that... crap, what's his name... he played Jet Jackson on that Disney Channel show. Anyway, isn't that Jet Jackson? Spartan198 00:23, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
Soap (Michael Heathcote) uses a Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 during the obstacle course. However, the weapon fires as if it was not suppressed, as evidenced by the firing sound and the muzzle flash.
The M4A1 Carbine is used by John "Soap" MacTavish (Michael Heathcote) and Simon "Ghost" Riley (Cameron Rufelds), as well as several other team members.
John Price (David Kinsman) uses a SIG-Sauer P226 at the end. The P226 also appears to be the pistol previously used by John "Soap" MacTavish (Jon Morgan).
A Colt Model 727 with an M203 grenade launcher is used by Soap (Jon Morgan). Judging by the large white logo on the magazine well, it is likely an airsoft replica.
When Soap hits the table and screams "Who is Kingfish?!" at the end, several rifles, along with an Accuracy International AW variant, are seen behind him.
The RPG-7 is used by two Russian soldiers, one who shoots down an AC-130 (!) and one who wounds Soap.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingRPG-7 - 40mmError creating thumbnail: File missingA soldier about to fire the RPG, which is erroneously depicted with homing capabilities. The explosion seen at the right is that of a previously fired rocket that has been directed away by the AC-130's flares. Note also how, instead of having the appropriate PGO-7 scope, the launcher has an ACOG scope seemingly fixed with a tape.
After Roach detonates a breaching charge, Soap shouts "9-Bang out!", but he actually throws an M84 stun grenade, not a Rheinmetall "9-Bang". Nevertheless, the grenade detonates multiple times like a 9-Bang, but six times instead of nine.
It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. Evil Tim 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Desert Eagle
Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in Minneapolis MN. --commando552 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
This is a slightly different gradient mapping (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. Evil Tim 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --commando552 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!
Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the top of the magazine). Evil Tim
Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --Ranger12 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)
I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --commando552 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--Ranger12 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were lucky you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. Evil Tim 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--Ranger12 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. Evil Tim 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --Ranger12 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)
The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --commando552 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? Evil Tim 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --Ranger12 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Mk 14
So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and check it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. Evil Tim 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)
... what's the problem? --Ghostdigga 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)
The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. Evil Tim 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)
Since it's locked...
Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?
"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."
Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --Funkychinaman 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)
You're misreading. The W9 round itself is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. Evil Tim 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --Funkychinaman 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Just did that before reading. Evil Tim 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Thanks. --Funkychinaman 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)
How come the page is locked anyway? --RaNgeR 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. Kadorhal 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)
Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
Error creating thumbnail: File missing"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.
That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it does use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?
Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of MW2's name. Kadorhal 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)
Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.
Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.Error creating thumbnail: File missingMod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.Error creating thumbnail: File missingMW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.Error creating thumbnail: File missingMod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.
Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. Evil Tim 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)
M4A1
A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.
The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --Noble.6 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)
If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. Evil Tim 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --Noble.6 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)
It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. Evil Tim 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)
I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. The Wierd It 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)
And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.
So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. The Wierd It 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said last time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:
Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
Error creating thumbnail: File missingStandard USP in CoD4. Barely visible barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingStandard USP from MW2 in MW3. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has very slightly visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingUSP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has highly visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.
The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
Let me just break this down:
Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. Evil Tim 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)
I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it says it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. Evil Tim 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --commando552 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Just want to note that the suppressed USP with tactical knife in "Eye of the Storm" is also identified by name as a Tactical. It may be a side effect of the naming scheme in-game rather than actually referring to the real-world model, though; "Stronghold" gives the player a suppressed P99 with tactical knife that is also identified as "P99 Tactical". Kadorhal 13:03, 1 August 2012 (CDT)
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - bozitojugg3rn4ut 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --commando552 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --Ranger12 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)
I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. Evil Tim 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? Evil Tim 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)
The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --commando552 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --commando552 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in Far Cry, mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. Evil Tim 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the Far Cry rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --commando552 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. Alex T Snow 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. Evil Tim 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --commando552 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. Evil Tim 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--Shadowkungfu 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Ah, CQB barrel, that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? Evil Tim 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Could be. :| - Mr. Wolf 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the G36 talk page, as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --commando552 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --Ranger12 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. Alex T Snow 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)
The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [1]. Spartan198 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)
The "MG36" is fitted with iron sights from the MP7 model, except they're actually raised when not equipped with an optic attachment. Just sayin'. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 12:56, 10 March 2018 (EST)
Oakley Gloves
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --BlemoTALK • CONTRIBUTIONS • EMAIL • MESSAGE
I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --commando552 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)
I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) The Wierd It 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)
During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --DeltaOne 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)
More guns
In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--James Woods 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)
Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= Taedeezy 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)
I'll be going through again to get these soonish. Evil Tim 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --bozitojugg3rn4ut 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. Evil Tim 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. The Wierd It 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)
Type-95 is a 97
When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. Excalibur01 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)
Soap's P99
I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring
Yes, he does. Evil Tim 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)
On the topic of the P99, I want to say it's the 9mm version with the capacity of the .40 version, but I'm not sure - the is shaped like the .40 version, but the textures look like they're trying to imitate the indentations of the 9mm slide. My guess is either they thought the 9mm version would be more recognizable but got lazy about it, or the models and textures were made by different people who weren't on the same page as to what exact gun they were trying to make. What do you think? Kadorhal (talk) 20:02, 25 December 2012 (EST)
MP7 Mag
I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --Don Bigles 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --Don Bigles 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)
I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--Z008MJ 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)
It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. Evil Tim 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)
Always Wondered
Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? Charon68 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)
I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.
Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. Evil Tim 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)
Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--Coltmth 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --commando552 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)
It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --Masterius 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)
If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --DeltaOne 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)
I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --commando552 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)
Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be really cool if you bought this one!" Evil Tim 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)
(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing Call of Duty?! It's an unrealistic portrayal of firearms, now get back on the computer and play more America's Army!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, IMFDB does *not* condone child abuse) Spartan198 14:50, 26 February 2012 (CST)
(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing America's Army?! The son of a Marine would never play this game, now get back on the computer and check if Six Days in Fallujah is already out!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, Marines and Soldiers are known for not liking being indistinguished) --Masterius 01:46, 27 February 2012 (CST)
When did I indistinguish Soldiers and Marines? And sadly I doubt we'll be seeing Six Days on shelves any time soon. Spartan198 03:24, 27 February 2012 (CST)
I didn't really comment in regards to that post, just needed something, for comedic purposes :)
And indeed, the lack of any progress on game since 2010 is disappointing :\ --Masterius 07:17, 27 February 2012 (CST)
Believe me, I've been looking forward to Six Days for a while. The game is supposedly finished and ready to ship, but no publisher seems to have the balls to distribute it. It could become the Thrill Kill of shooter games (i.e., the "best fighting game you've never played", as it's so frequently referred to as). Funny how almost all of the criticism for it (as well as Medal of Honor 2010) came mostly from foreign entities. Yeah, the British and the Danish "disagree" with two games that revolve around the US military, but no one over there seems to have any problems with the SAS-starring Modern Warfare series. Kind of bizarre how that works out, huh? ;) Spartan198 18:51, 27 February 2012 (CST)
Medal of Honor was banned from selling in US Military Bases, wasn't it? But yes, the highly vocal boycotting of these 2 games, and not CoD: MWs, by British is really suspicious and looks more like propaganda stuff...
Should Atomic Games have gone indie with the game, the lack of publisher wouldn't be an obstacle :\ --Masterius 02:18, 28 February 2012 (CST)
I thought all the shit with Medal of Honor was because it let people play as a faction explicitly named as the Taliban until EA caved under pressure and changed it. The Wierd It 04:22, 28 February 2012 (CST)
That was the seed that the criticism tree sprouted from, yes. I still think it's just the fact that the US military takes center stage in them instead of second fiddle like in CoD, though. Spartan198 00:38, 20 July 2012 (CDT)
UMP.45 Manufacturer
Did anyone else notice that while MW2's UMP was manufactured by Heckler & Koch in Sterling, Virginia, MW3's model was made by the infamous "Gunnery Gun Co."? Just putting it out there, in the event that an admin wants to add some smarmy remark (Best damn parts of the article...)
Which is totally inaccurate, since everyone knows UMPs are made by Pooder & Chernoosky like the G36. Evil Tim 23:58, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Really? I could've swore the UMP and the G36 came from Hitler & Krotch in Nazi-Land, Europe.
Overkill perk icon
Since the Call of Duty 4 and World at War pages refer to the weapons present in their Overkill icons, I figure we should do so for this game as well. What's this look like to you guys? My best guess is some form of AK without a magazine, though since there doesn't seem to be a release lever, I'd rather have someone else look at it to make sure. Kadorhal 17:48, 12 May 2012 (CDT)
It really is impossible to tell for sure. It's just to vague. There are no markings whatsoever. Barrett50 15:05, 6 August 2012
FAD three round burst
Unless I'm somehow doing something really wrong, I'm pretty sure the FAD doesn't have a three round burst when the fire button is tapped. Animalmenace
If there even is a three-round burst on the gun, it could just be a multiplayer thing - I didn't get it to do that either, but I only tested the SP version. Alright, apparently Survival mode uses the multiplayer versions of guns. It still was not firing in bursts when I tapped the trigger. Kadorhal 16:34, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
M249
can a mod add this? well at least phrase it in?
the configuration that this m249 have, doen't make it an FN minimi? which the M249 based on, and when clicked, redirected to Fn minimi.
Special Ops/Survival weapons stats + Beretta 92SB in campaign
At the start of the pages it says that "Special Ops mode and Survival use the singleplayer weapon stats and abilities unless otherwise noted". Actually it's only the case for the Special Ops mode, while the Survival mode uses the multiplayer weapons stats and abilities, the exceptions being the weapons bought from the "equipment" armory (such as the riot shield, C4, grenades, etc.)
Also, information about the Beretta 92SB (called M9 in-game) from MW1 and MW2 should be added, as this handgun can rarely be found in the mission "Goalpost" (you can see that in some videos in youtube)--Ultimate94ninja 14:15, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
The reference to sniper rifles having dual sights shouldn't really be there, either - that's a one-time thing on the RSASS from "Eye of the Storm" and doesn't show up anywhere else. Kadorhal 17:38, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
Beretta 92SB
It is useable in the mission "Goalpost". Delta Force operators will draw the 92SB after running out of ammo with their primary weapon. Dead operators will sometimes drop the Beretta. It is a recycled MW2 M9, and uses the same firing sound. - User:1morey August 6, 2012 5:30 PM (EST)
I'll take a look and get a shot if I can find one. Evil Tim 09:19, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
Maybe it will be hard to find one in Goalpost, so if you can't take screenshots of it in this level, we can still add another point: in the downloadable special ops mission "Special Delivery", the wounded soldier at the end holds a 92SB. Also, maybe we should add info about the new "Starstreak" launcher in the FIM-92A Stinger section (the Starstreak weapon uses the same model as the Stinger) --Ultimate94ninja 14:30, 18 August 2012 (CDT)
Heh, I uploaded that one. Kadorhal (talk) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
M16A4 with optics
The M16A4 still has the front sight/gas block removed when aftermarket optics are added, just like in the last two games. Figured that'd be worth a mention. Kadorhal 22:03, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
I just took another look; you can see a low-profile gas block on the M4 when reloading the M203, but the M16 player model is too long to really tell if there's something there or not. I'll take a look at one on the ground later. Evil Tim 22:30, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
Took a look at it myself while testing out the Terminal port from MW2 in Survival. No front sight as usual with alternate optics, but at the same time the Create-a-Class image for the gun seems to have the front sight within the handguard, so there could be a low-profile gas block within it. That or whoever made the Create-a-Class image doesn't know AR-15's. Kadorhal 21:41, 28 August 2012 (CDT)
Well, that's sad. Spartan198 00:05, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
I'd say that's pretty much certain since the fire selector is set to "look I just broke the fire selector." Evil Tim 00:39, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
That's the most dangerous and efficient firing mode ever fielded to the operators. It always takes 'the enemy' by surprise.--BeloglaviSup 03:28, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
Replayed Act 1, found some more tidbits about the M16 and a few guns:
1.) The M16A4 effectively replaces the M4A1 as the standard weapon of US forces in "Goalpost" after Rhino Two-One is knocked out in the parking garage. This is pretty much its only consistent appearance in Campaign mode.
2.) NPC allies equipped with the M16A4 in "Goalpost" seem to have working fire selectors: I saw one guy fire single shots at one point and then fire bursts five minutes later.
3.) I think I saw an ally in "Goalpost" pull out a Beretta 92SB, but I'm not 100% sure since he didn't actually fire it and switched back to his rifle before I could get a clear close-up look.
4.) Sergeant Wallcroft and a few of the other SAS men in "Mind the Gap" have an MP7A1 with 20-round magazine in their sidearm holsters, rather than the USP Tactical the player and most of the other SAS have. This seems to be the sole appearance of the MP7 in Campaign. Kadorhal (talk) 21:27, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
I've figured out what makes allies pull their sidearms but it's going to be a pain to actually make it happen deliberately; they have to fire their last shot from their main weapon away from cover (otherwise they reload) and without killing whoever they were firing at. And without dying, which is what usually happens when they're in such a position. Evil Tim (talk) 02:50, 17 January 2013 (EST)
Well, I managed it. And also, since I apparently refuse to let this topic drift away from the M16A4, I found this too: equip the M203 on an M16A4 with it in singleplayer and the whole thing will switch to the MW2 model. Kadorhal (talk) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
Does that happen in every level, or just that one? The reason I ask is that Goalpost is the one with the different Mk 14 player model, so it's rather likely it's yet another placeholder. I'll have to go back through to get 16:9 caps of those two anyway.
I swear this is some horrible conspiracy to make everyone play the worst level in the entire game over and over. Evil Tim (talk) 05:27, 11 February 2013 (EST)
I'm pretty sure it's just this level, considering the M16A4 is generally only available in one mission per game in this series. Kadorhal (talk) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
QBZ-97 3-round burst
In the "QBZ-97" section it is stated that the 3-round burst mode is incorrect for this weapon. This fire mode is actually available on the QBZ-97A variant (an improved export model of the QBZ-97), so probably this is the variant featured in-game (if it is not, someone should still mention in the page that the 3-rd burst exists for the QBZ-97A variant) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:00, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
"AK-47" Furniture
I might be somewhat late for the party, but if it is worth noting, I'd say that AK is fitted with a handguard similar to Midwest Industries' one (with rail covers) and its scope mount resembles Belarusian PB-02.
Is the AA-12 the full scale version?
The create-a-class image has a shorter barrel and I know you can get a short-barrelled version. Can someone compare the picture on the page with the c-a-c image and see if it's still right.
Since the MW3 page can't be edited, I thought I would point out a minor thing; in a caption to one of the P90 pictures pointing out the "dual scope" attachment, it states that it is multiplayer-only; however, this isn't correct, because the attachment is featured in at least one mission in the campaign (the opening mission). --Dirty Harold (talk) 15:40, 24 December 2012 (EST)
No it can't, you're thinking of the hybrid scope. The HAMR scope is never available in single. Evil Tim (talk) 03:06, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Harold is right. I've used it in at least two of the single player missions. It's hard to mix up the HAMR with the hybrid since the former only works on SMG's in the game and the latter is for Assault Rifles/Carbines along with the fact that they look completely different. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 11:56, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Could you tell me in which missions the HAMR appears, then? The P90 picture says the HAMR duel optic isn't in any of the missions, I know very well the Hybrid Scope is since I have pictures of it on this page in the first level and "Scorched Earth." Evil Tim (talk) 08:12, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I know for sure you can use it in the first level. I can't remember the name of it but it is in the level where you're in India and you have to escort Soap to the Little Bird and you're playing as Yuri. Those are the only ones I can remember it in. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 13:06, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I've never seen it in the first level, and I'm fairly sure there aren't even any SMGs in Persona Non Grata, let alone ones with HAMR Scopes. I really think you're just mis-remembering this. Evil Tim (talk) 13:21, 26 December 2012 (EST)
Eh, I may very well have been. It's been awhile since I played through the campaign. But Puppet claims to have seen it, now; I don't know. At any rate, feel free to disregard this now... blame it on my senility. --Dirty Harold (talk) 18:43, 26 December 2012 (EST)
Well I know I'm not mis-remembering because I've used them and played the single player more times than I can count. And there are SMG's in Persona Non Grata(Thank you by the way for saying what the mission was called) because I've picked up quite a few P90's while working my way through the mission. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I'm not saying I don't believe you (well, ok, I am) but I've played through those levels plenty of times too and I've never seen the HAMR outside multiplayer. Could you get a screenshot? Even a photo of a TV screen is fine, but obviously it's much easier for you to prove it is there than for me to show you a picture of something that isn't in the picture. Evil Tim (talk) 06:18, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Understandable. I'll see what I can do. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 12:26, 29 December 2012 (EST)
If this hasn't already been settled yet, I just replayed the first three levels in search of a HAMR scope, and from what I've seen it appears that Evil Tim is right on both counts - there are no SMGs at all in Persona Non Grata (they could be dropped by allies for all I know, but this time through it seemed every one of them had a PKP), and the ones available in Black Tuesday and Hunter Killer do not have HAMR scopes. ACOGs, red dots, and holographics, yes, but no HAMRs. Kadorhal (talk) 21:41, 14 January 2013 (EST)
Sorry it took so long but I have a screenshot of a P90 in the mission "Persona Non Grata" but I have no idea how to add it. I'm still looking for a P90 with a HAMR sight in the game, but so far no luck. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 12:35, 17 January 2013 (EST)
Do like I did for that MP7 image above: upload it and link to it here on the talk page. Even if nobody puts it on the actual page, at least you have proof. Kadorhal (talk) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
AT4
The AT4 is available in Persona non Grata but cannot be seen without noclip. Anyone want to take a shot?
Source:
You've got to laugh at some of the captions on the MW3 page. You'd actually think this was real-world and not a game. It isn't real life and is bound to make a few mistakes!! --Ritch (talk) 01:49, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
I've gotta laugh at you for expecting a website dedicated to the portrayal of firearms in media to not point out the mountains of ridiculous mistakes that IW and Treyarch make time after time after time after time in these games. The constant screw ups are what actually turned me off to this game series. You might find the CoD wiki is a better community for you. Spartan198 (talk) 08:27, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
You reckon it might be a better community for me? Oh well, thanks for the suggestion. I think I'll stick around here seeing as I am entitled to my opinion and I'm not a fan of the game. I came to this page for information and just said what I found. --Ritch (talk) 12:16, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
You came to the page for information and are objecting that there is too much? With any piece of media if there are glaring errors with how a particular gun is portrayed (for example films with pump action noise on a double barrelled shotgun, safety catch talk for a Glock, stuff like that) there is not problem with mentioning it. With games like this that are played by a wide audience who are not necessarily knowledgeable about firearms, they can lead to a lot of misinformation about certain guns, and if we can help prevent that then I don't see the issue with pointing out the mistakes and inaccuracies that were made. What captions in particular do you think are over the top nit-picky? --commando552 (talk) 13:15, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
The fact that it makes mistakes is not a good reason to ignore them. Nothing wrong with the captions here, I should know because I wrote them. Also, the statement "you are entitled to your opinion" means people will not come around your house with tyre irons and beat it out of you, it does not mean that we are entitled to your opinion, or that your opinion is automatically considered worthwhile, logically justified or factual. Lose the attitude, please. Evil Tim (talk) 05:41, 14 April 2013 (EDT)
RPD
The RPD Model from COD4 appears in a cutscene for the mission Return to Sender.Mr.Ice (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
I uploaded the image, but it appears the page is locked so that only admins can edit it.
Yeah, I uploaded my own a little after anyway, it's up there now. Evil Tim (talk) 04:45, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
Changing Minebea M-9 image
I made a change on the Minebea M-9 image to make it consistent so that the filenames consist of "File:Minebea M-9 submachine gun (New).jpg" and "File:Minebea M-9 (old).jpg". I can't change it since the page is locked. Ominae (talk) 00:40, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
FN SCAR-L
Perhaps it just seems to me, but the first generation of the FN SCAR-L is much larger in appearance resembles a model represented in the game?
Wouldn't have surprised me if it were the case (games like this seem to be in some bizarre time-loop where everything in current military use has been replaced, but solely by prototypes and concept mock-ups of 5+-year-old guns), but the third-person model and Create-a-Class icon indicate it's third-gen. Kadorhal (talk) 02:17, 22 February 2014 (EST)
ACR
The ACR 6.8 in-game as a longer barrel than the military Remington ACR (as seen here and here, though I'm not sure if this also applies to the 1st person model). Should this make it the civilian Bushmaster variant? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:54, 6 January 2015 (EST)
It looks like it's the 14.5 on the in-game model (this doesn't look as long as the one on the third person model), but we've got some pictures of Remington ACRs with 16 inch barrels on Talk:Bushmaster ACR, so I don't think it would mean it's a different model. Evil Tim (talk) 07:04, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Eh, right, I forgot about the 16.5 barrel. But what specific components allow us to to differentiate between the Remington and Bushmaster ACR? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:45, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Well, aside from the giant Remington logo that's a but of a giveaway as to which version it's supposed to be, I think the handguard with bigger vents is only on the Remington ACR. Evil Tim (talk) 08:01, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Yeah, regarding the handguard, that was in my mind, thanks for clarifying. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:29, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Regarding the Colt Anaconda
It can actually be used in singleplayer, in the mission "Bag and Drag", though it is extremely rare (just like the Beretta 92SB in Goalpost) since it can only be obtained from the allied GIGN if they get into CQC fights with the enemies. I can post a couple of screencaps if someone wants proof, but they're unusable on the main page since they're taken off the TV and I don't have the game on PC. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:00, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
I always thought that the only way they ever got those out was if they emptied their primary weapon at an enemy without killing them, they'd transition to their pistol rather than doing their reloading animation for their rifle. I've never got one of the guys in Goalpost to pull his sidearm and I finally got tired of it since it's the most boring level in the franchise, but I might give bag and drag a go to see if I can find one. Crap screenshot would be ok here on the talk page just to confirm it happens, I'll add it to the article then. Evil Tim (talk) 09:38, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
I wouldn't really recommend you to try checking it, since finding these two handguns is a freakin' pain in the ass :P Anyway, allies do usually draw their handguns after emptying their primary weapon in the middle of a gunfight, but this didn't work for me in Bag and Drag, and neither did it in Goalpost, as they kept on stupidly reloading their primaries in front of the enemy. It's by pure luck that I managed to get akimbo 92SBs in the latter, from an ally's body (regarding this pistol you can find YouTube videos showing it in the mission). Anyway, here you go:
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe solider on the right is Sabre, who got into a hand-to-hand fight with an enemy and finished him off with his Colt Anaconda.
In this playthrough, I got the Colt Anaconda from Tueur, another GIGN soldier who usually gets killed in this mission (unlike Sabre and Faucon). He got into a CQC fight and drew his revolver, but lost against his opponent. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:49, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
Another fine example of Infinity Ward's realistic choices in weapons. Kinda glad they gave up and moved to sci-fi crap. Mr. Wolf (talk) 14:18, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Doesn't GIGN actually use revolvers? (A few seconds later) Yes they do!--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:24, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Reason being that they're easier to use in front of riot shield, I wish Montagne could do that in Rainbow 6.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:13, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Seemed like Mr Wolf didn't know that they use revolvers, that's why i linked to that article.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
They don't use Anacondas though, so the point still stands. That is like justifying a Navy SEAL carrying a Desert Eagle by saying that they use SIGs. As for why they use revolvers still, although the shield thing is debatable true, it is not really the reason. They just historically preferred the .357 cartridge and the reliability and simplicity of a revolver as a CQB weapon. They are used by GIGN more widely than just shield carriers. In fact, I believe that they have started to use Glocks with a 33 magazine with a shield due to it being so hard to reload (they may also carry their MR-73 still as a secondary weapon). S&W made a revolver which they tried to market for police use with a shield (M&P R8) but I have never heard of anyone using it in this capacity. --commando552 (talk) 18:36, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
The difference between an Anaconda and whatever revolvers the GIGN use is not nearly as big as the difference between a SIG and a damn Desert Eagle. But why waste time arguing about this anyway...--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
They are two weapons of very different size and weight, firing a different cartridge, one of which is a serious military/police weapon whilst the other is a novelty/niche hunting weapon. Doesn't seem that far off to me. --commando552 (talk) 18:56, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
I wasn't saying it was unrealistic for the GIGN to use revolvers, just the Colt Anaconda specifically. It's pretty cool that they still use .357 revolvers. Mr. Wolf (talk) 23:54, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
It's name implies it's suppose to be Terminator 2 inspired. Mr. Wolf (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
Fictional Drone is not so fictional...
According to Howe Technologies Ripsaw MS2. At least according to www.igcd.net --Dannyguns (talk) 08:50, 2 December 2016 (EST)
You realise a Ripsaw is like six or seven feet tall, right? Also the tracks and running gear are completely wrong for a Ripsaw.Evil Tim (talk) 10:23, 2 December 2016 (EST)
There are some similarities in general shape, but at the most this is only vaguely based on a Ripsaw. If you compare this to this there are a lot of differences. --commando552 (talk) 11:38, 2 December 2016 (EST)
Immediatly after I seen that on igcd i put here, so well, thanks commando... and Evil Tim I never seen a Ripsaw in my life before commando552 showed.--Dannyguns (talk) 14:57, 2 December 2016 (EST)
On another note, the PP-90M1 section incorrectly has "9x18mm" in the caption, whereas it's actually chambered in 9x19mm. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:56, 15 January 2017 (EST)
"Starstreak" launcher in Spec Ops
Should we add it. --Dannyguns (talk) 05:24, 28 February 2017 (EST)
It is a made up launcher based on the Stinger model, so have just added a note for it in that section. --commando552 (talk) 06:05, 28 February 2017 (EST)
Some caption notes
Two additions I can think of:
1.) In the last screenshot from the RSASS section: while the production Mi-28N showing up in 1996 is an anachronism, it might be worth noting that those still at least actually showed up in the original CoD4 level - the RSASS's leaning on a crate weren't there the first time around.
2.) In the section for the GP-30: this is more of a nitpick, but I'm not sure I like picking on Bad Company specifically for loading an incorrect M203 grenade into a GP-series launcher, as if it was the first game to do so and/or the reason everyone else does it, when Call of Duty was doing it first (November 2007 for CoD4 vs June 2008 for Bad Company). Kadorhal (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
On that second one, TBH, I think you're reading a bit too much into it (one link is 'picking on' said game?). That said, we make notes like that all over the site, I don't see a real issue. I certainly see no reason to replace it with a note about CoD4, if that's what you're asking. I'd suggest removing it entirely before that, but I don't think that necessary either. As for the first, I'm not quite sure what you're going for there.. I suppose a reference to the previous game wouldn't hurt but again I don't necessarily see the need for it either. All-told, for your complaint about the page supposedly poking at one game it sounds like you're wanting it to instead poke at CoD4, which well, I just don't see as actually adding anything to the page itself. StanTheMan (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
The first suggestion is just going along with the "time travel" joke that's already there - Zakhaev not only has multiple units of a helicopter at a point in time where even its prototype hadn't ever flown yet, but now he also has sniper rifles that not only didn't exist at that point in time, but also were not there the first time we were made privy to the events of that day. As for the second, I'm not complaining that we're calling out Bad Company for making the same mistake, because there's no doubt that it did - my issue is that the wording in the caption suggests that it was the first and/or only other game to ever do that, when as I demonstrated above that is clearly not the case. I wouldn't disagree to keeping the link to Bad Company there alongside one to Call of Duty 4 if we change it, but still, CoD4 would be a more accurate and reasonable comparison because A) it made the same mistake half a year before Bad Company was even released, and B) it's actually in the same series and at least at some point in time had most of the same developers as Modern Warfare 3. Kadorhal (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
I gotcha now. Most of that sounds fair enough. StanTheMan (talk) 03:05, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
On a side note, the Mi-28 was developed in the 1980s and the Mi-28N prototype was first flown in November of 1996 (at least according to Wikipedia), so I don't think it's as anachronistic as whoever stated that originally. --AgentGumby (talk) 01:29, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
Well, from the CoD wiki, the mission in which the Havoc is seen takes place in winter 1996, so depending when that season is, it mightn't be as erroneous as some people believe it to be. (Link: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/All_Ghillied_Up) -Ft763
Talking about the Mi-28 Havoc here, not the Mi-24 Hind. For some reason, all the Hinds are replaced with Havocs in "One Shot, One Kill" mission that comes after "All Ghillied Up."--AgentGumby (talk) 12:22, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Fixed it. -Ft763
A couple of additional notes: previously, the site's M60E4 image was incorrectly named M60E3. I renamed it, so can someone of the admins please make the appropriate change in the M60E4 section? (as well as delete the old "M60E3.jpg" redirect). Also, the AWM section lists some incorrect things;
in reality both the AW and AWM can have either folding or non-folding stocks, and it wouldn't have been correct to call the in-game weapon "L115A1" (could have been simply called "AWM" or something), because according to what is stated on Ghosts page the real L115A1 has a non-folding stock. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
Oh and another fun fact: the in-game SCAR-L only has 1-S selector markings, just like the civilian SCAR 16S. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:48, 23 February 2019 (EST)
The page is locked from edits, so I can't add screenshots
I'd like to add a few pictures or info about the MW3 guns, but whoever locked the page was angry that day and never unlocked it back. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 05:20, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe M60E4 (which is actually an M60E3) in single player has a grip attached. It is gray because no camo or base color is applied, and the player never touches it. It is also different from the multiplayer grip.Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe M16A4 with an M203 in single player.Error creating thumbnail: File missingWhen the M203 is selected, it instantly morphs into an MW2 model. This has to be seen to be believed.
It's locked to prevent vandalism and / or addition of 4:3 aspect ratio images. I'll have to redownload it and get those in the right aspect ratio when it's done. Yaaaay, I get to play Hamburg again, it's only one of the worst levels in the series. Evil Tim (talk) 05:49, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
The "worst level in the series" honor definitely goes to Ghosts' Sin City. Also yeah, von CAHEK, keep in mind that some games have horrible-looking images when taken in 4:3 aspect ratio; notice how your second screenshot is vertically stretched. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:48, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
@Ultimate94ninja, my screenshots aren't stretched, note the crosshair is perfectly square, unlike some shots on Black Ops page. I play with a FOV changer, because, bloody hell, it's a PC! The default fov 65 is downright horrible and my eyes start bleeding after half an hour of playing. CoD:Ghosts was a pain due to their zero-policy to fov changers. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
I dunno, Hamburg is certainly the laziest, since it's basically three wide right-angled corridors filled with random junk with cutscenes between them. Evil Tim (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
I can try to retake those screenshots in 1280x720, if you want. What am I supposed to tell my FoV Changer then, "106"? And yeah, SCREW the goddamn Hamburg mission. That "storm the beach" moment was teeth-grinding at Veteran, as well as the uselessness of a single SMAW round, it doesn't one-shot the tank anyway. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
It's ok, I've got it reinstalled now, I'll get the shots tomorrow in 1920x1080 like the rest on the page. :) Evil Tim (talk) 13:03, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Very well, because for some reason, my game is horribly stretched when set to widescreen resolution. "Image quality" option used to fix that, but it doesn't now. Also, the FOV changer doesn't allow value higher than 100. Good luck in Hamburg, lol DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, Hamburg is by far and away the worst. Moving up those streets where you get shot from tons of people you can't even see was a huge buzzkill. It makes me wonder how I was able to play that campaign on repeat when I was younger.--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 09:52, 1 October 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
Yeah, and I'm still baffled by them giving you a SMAW with 1 shot as your second starting weapon, what the hell is it even supposed to be for? Evil Tim (talk) 10:18, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
I think you could optionally destroy one of the tanks at the start of the level, but you were 10 times more likely to be killed while doing so, and it would later be destroyed either way. And yeah, I agree that it's the laziest level, but I mentioned Sin City as the worst due to horrible 8-year old kids style writing (like the rest of the Ghosts campaign), as well as Hesh saying "Logan, pick up Riley! Logan, pick up Riley! Logan, pick up Riley!" literally every 5 seconds and I was like SHUT THE FUCK UP I'M SHOOTING HUNDREDS OF INCOMING FEDERATION DUDES I DON'T HAVE FOUR ARMS. And this is before we start to consider the fact that despite this, he pretty much wrote off [spoiler]'s death like it's nothing. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:04, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
Oh yeah, I love how awful the writing in Ghosts was, they even did the whole "they killed all the bad dudes BUT THEY LEFT ONE ALIVE TO TELL HIS COMRADES" thing which was bought up in Band of Brothers as a joke. Evil Tim (talk) 11:09, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
I haven't played the Ghosts campaign in a thousand years, so I don't remember much of that level. Was that the one when your in the mall with an escalator for a bit? 'Cause I do remember hating that one--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 12:23, 1 October 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
No, Sin City's the one where you're in a disused Spec Ops: The Line set in Vegas and you have to...I don't know, that pyramid that's in Vegas turns up at some point. Mainly known for an incredibly hard QTE on Veteran that a lot of people thought was outright broken when the game came out. Evil Tim (talk) 12:42, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
All jokes aside, yeah it's the one that involves the mall and escalators, you start in the casino. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:47, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
Still, it was all worth it for shooting a smiley face into that monitor in Federation Day and then trying to breathe as the deadly serious cutscene played out. And I though when he was talking about the mall and escalators he meant the one where you have the grenade launcher and deadly 50 cal SVD, then I belated remembered that's a stadium. Evil Tim (talk) 02:57, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Please move cut weapons to the talk page
The TDI Vector is a weapon cut from the final game. Please move it to the talk page because it does not merit an appearance on the main page because it did not formally appear in-game. --Wuzh (talk) 22:12, 25 July 2018 (EDT)
Eh, we have weapons in trailers and pre-release materials too if we know what they are, it's only leaks we don't put up. Evil Tim (talk) 02:27, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
I would personally argue that trailers and pre-release materials are not a part of the game proper, and weapons only appearing in them thus do not constitute weapons that appear in-game, and therefore should not be on the page. I personally believe that they should be on the talk page, but not on the main page. --Wuzh (talk) 09:21, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
Well I think it's more a question of if someone might question what they are and if we know. Mostly they're holdovers from when all we had was trailers, and I don't really see the point of removing this information from a page when the game comes out. I mean, we also have behind-the-scenes images on movie pages, they don't appear in the movie. The trailer up there is a special case in that isn't part of the game and never was and has far too many weapons to just put it on the main page (we do that for live-action trailers that only have one or two guns in them like the one for FEAR 3). Evil Tim (talk) 02:22, 27 July 2018 (EDT)
Striker variant
The in-game Striker variant is a Sentinel Arms Striker-12 because it features the unique drum advancing thumb tab found only on that variant. --Wuzh (talk) 02:04, 20 October 2018 (EDT)
Despite the identification as a G36K-based mockup of the MG36, this in-game rail looks nothing like any of the G36 rails that we have images of right now, not even that of the reference image. It doesn't even look like the G36C rails in the same game. Does anybody have any idea what rail this is?
Might be based on the ones used by some of the Airsoft G36s made by Evike, example. They seem to have increased the spacing between rail sections, probably just to avoid visual artifacting. Looks like the normal attachment screws have been replaced with bigger thumbscrews, which is the sort of change you could easily get away with on an Airsoft weapon. Evil Tim (talk) 03:19, 14 December 2018 (EST)
Poor modeling I'd say, CoDs tend to have poor details in the models, just look at the difference between the realistic rendition of the troy sights in BO1 and the poor attempt in MW2. Oh and btw the "abnormally raised sights" are MP7 sights. Also why is the MW3 page still locked? I understand it was to prevent some trolling and vandalism but come on, its locked like for years now. --Nanomat (talk) 19:41, 14 December 2018 (EST)
M14 EBR and MK14
So if I'm reading this correctly, the only appearance of the Magpul CTR-stocked Mk 14 Mod 1 is a third-person model right? Shouldn't the first person images of the "M14 EBR" be moved to the Mk 14 Mod 0 section, since the first-person model is more or less the same model as the Mk 14 Mod 0 "MK14"? --Wuzh (talk) 04:50, 19 January 2019 (EST)
It's not exactly the same model, though, and putting them there would make it even more needlessly hard to explain what's going on. Evil Tim (talk) 07:26, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Since the page will never be unlocked I will leave this here
The handguard of the M4A1 is not KAC. It is obviously recycled from the SIR quad from MW2 but I think it is meant to resemble Surefire M73 as it is somewhat slimmed down but still has weirdly angled vent holes. The charging handle latch is either Badger Ordnance Tactical Charging Handle Latch or Wilson Combat one. Its grip is also not the A1 but incorrectly depicted A2 confirmed by the ridging on the back of the grip--Nanomat (talk) 20:29, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
Request to unlock the page for edits
The Striker section is outdated. The reload animation in-game likely cannot work in real life, as there is no evidence that the thumb tab on the Striker can advance the drum magazine. --Wuzh (talk) 19:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
Requesting another edit to add this line to the FAD section: The empty reload animation completely ignores the cocking handle (a hook-shaped extension on the right side of the gun, next to the ejection port), and the user instead just slaps the mag again to lengthen the reload time. --Wuzh (talk) 13:33, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
Requesting an edit with the development. Treyarch and Neversoft also help out with Modern Warfare 3. Not only Treyarch help out the actual Modern Warfare 3 game, they also ported the Wii version of the game. The whole development of Modern Warfare 3 appears in the end credits.--Treliazz (talk) 13:05, 26 October 2019 (EDT)
Requesting another edit: The PKP's reload animation disregards the release button on the rear of the feed tray cover, and just lifts up the feed tray cover by the rear sight. --Wuzh (talk) 17:21, 10 November 2019 (EST)
Minor edit request: the portrayal of the SMAW as a disposable launcher should be described as inaccurate instead of incorrect. --Wuzh (talk) 04:58, 18 November 2019 (EST)
More: The MG36's bipod is recycled from the M60E3. --Nanomat (talk) 17:22, 8 January 2020 (EST)
Limpet mine used to breach the sub resembles this thing called "MK 3 CLAM". --Nanomat (talk) 18:34, 31 January 2020 (EST)
Another one on the pile: unlike the one in MW2, the SPAS-12 here has no charging handle; its ejection port also never opens, since it's just part of the texture, meaning that applying some camouflage finishes can remove the ejection port entirely. This in spite of the fact that the pumping animation has you flip the gun over to look directly at said non-functional and/or nonexistent ejection port. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:20, 2 February 2020 (EST) P.S.: Also, the M240B section calls it an "M20B" at one point. Should probably deal with that.
I wonder if the 20-round magazine on the M4A1 in this is an artifact from the Mk 12 that was also supposed to be in the game.--AgentGumby (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2020 (EST) PS - I've been considering installing this game on the Xbox and trying to find that AK with the Aimpoint M68 that's supposed to be in a DLC Spec Ops mission.
Request to add info to the M4A1 and the Colt CM901
Also, why are pages protected in the first place? Almost every page is always a work in progress anyways, this just makes it harder to edit. If anyone vandalizes the page, someone will see it and fix it.--TheFlyingDutchman (talk) 21:18, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
Evil Tim 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)
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