Talk:Hawaii Five-0 (2010) - Season 2: Difference between revisions
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==Need Help with Gun==
Not sure what handgun is used here. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:37, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
==Unknown==
[[File:HF0 struggle in aircraft.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
I think that is a P228R or current production P229. Talking about unknowns from that episode, do you have a shot of the AR-15 that Danny was using? I think I saw a Spike's Tactical logo on the magwell and the barrel looked odd to me. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:56, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
:That is a P229, the overlap of frame to the slide proves this.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:17, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
::That overlap is present of the P228R, P229R and the current P229 so doesn't really narrow it down. Without a clear view of the rear of the slide it is hard to tell them apart, but guess it is probably a P229R (older model with the half height serrations) as that is used on other occasions. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:04, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
:::My bad, forgot the P228R was a P228 slide on a P229R frame, thus having an overlap.. However, that is not a short trigger, so unless the armorer fitted a normal trigger onto a P228R or new P229, this is a P229R. Come to think of it, why do we even have the P228R listed? It hasn't appeared in anything so far. I'm opening a discussion about it on the SIG page.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:03, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
I don't know about that. It looks a little square, like a Springfield XD. --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]]
:No, that is definitely a SIG slide. I think the lighting is blurring the end of the gun, giving a square effect.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:03, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
How can you tell it's a SIG slide? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]]
:The same way that you distinguish, say, a Glock slide from a Walther P99 slide. They just look different. SIGs have a rounded top, while the XD has a more blocky top. The XD also has front slide serrations, and the SIG does not. Plus, a hammer is visible.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:22, 11 May 2012 (CDT)
::What he said. If you are looking for specific differences, the gun in question here has a round cut out at the bottom corner at the front of the slide like SIG slides, the geometry of the rail on the frame is totally wrong for an XD but matches the railed SIGs, and the slide doesn't have the front cocking serrations of an XD.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:56, 11 May 2012 (CDT)
Hi-Power?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:03, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
== Fryer's Glock ==
== Fryer's Glock ==
the page has HPD Captain Vince Fryers Glock registered as a G17. i believe that the bore looks a bit to big to be a 9mm. any thoughts [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 18:02, 19 October 2011 (CDT)
the page has HPD Captain Vince Fryers Glock registered as a G17. i believe that the bore looks a bit to big to be a 9mm. any thoughts [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 18:02, 19 October 2011 (CDT)
That bore is definitely not 9mm. I remember thinking that it wasn't a 9mm when I saw the episode. Way too big. Possibly a .45 ACP or even a 10mm. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:13, 19 October 2011 (CDT)
:Agreed. Still not sure where the Glock 20 comes in. The description says from episode 14, which is season 1.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 20:26, 19 October 2011 (CDT)
There's been a certain user who's been posting guns that only gave a very vague description and the episode where it appears has been misidentified. So I'm going to delete it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:14, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Is a seperate page for Season 2 really necessary? Just saying.
I don't think it is at this stage to be honest. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:23, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Take a look at how many different weapons have already been identified for Season 2. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:20, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
I counted about 9 that weren't on the season 1 page already. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 08:41, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
:A few points to bear in mind on the splitting issue:
:# By splitting it up into seasons you can have more screenshots to better represent which characters use which guns in particular episodes (site guideline is only 10 images of the same gun per page).
:# From the type of show this is and based on series one, there will be more guns showing up. You say there are only 9 unique guns, but that is after only 5 episodes out of 24 (assuming they get a full pick up).
:# Take it from someone who had to split up a page after it was already completed, it is MUCH easier to do this now rather than later.
:--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:07, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
I suppose I get your point. It does need a few more screenshots I think though as it looks rather bare still. One of Joe with the P226 E2 would be a good one if there's a clear enough shot as it says that he uses one at the end of the season 2 opening episode. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:14, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
Joe is never seen in closeup with the SIG in that episode. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:46, 22 October 2011 (CDT)
== You sure about that M4? ==
[[Image:H50S2 26.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Vitor noveske.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
I know McGarrett uses his HK416 alot, but I know this ain't it. Lori has the M4. I think McGarrett is actually using the Dipolmat here. It's got a very distinctive barrel. Can I get a second opinion? - [[User:Thomas|Thomas]] 07:35, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
If you look at the trigger guard it's got the curved one of a Magpul style AR trigger guard so that doesn't look that the Diplomat pictured as that one has the standard straight trigger guard. The rail is different as well, on the Diplomat it is a part of the actual body but on the gun pictured it looks like it has some sort of locking nut connecting it to the body. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 08:30, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
:Definitely a Noveske diplomat, the forward assist is very distinctive as is the flash-hider (can make out the 3 lines of text and the logo the same vague shape as the Noveske one). I can't see a locking nut although it isn't very clear, and from the rail it looks monolithic. There are two different Diplomats, the monolithic ones that uses the Vltor VIS upper (pictured), and another that uses the Vltor MUR and a separate free float handguard. This second version has long slots in the RIS system rather than the circular holes that this one has though, which watch the VIS version. Not sure if it is actually a Noveske purchased rifle though, as the forward assist has the Vltor logo rather than the Noveske logo, so may have just been a custom build that matches the Diplomat. This part is modular though so could just be a replacement. The lower receiver isn't a Noveske one (either the original M4 pattern one or the improved second generation one that they currently use with the flared magazine well) but I would imagine that armourers would only buy uppers and fit them into full auto lowers (3 fire selector settings visible on this gun) as opposed to the semi only Noveske lowers. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:45, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Also, don't think the Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine is correct. Firstly it has a flat top so would be an AR-15A3, but also looks to have an M4 profile 14.5" barrel, so think it is simply and M4. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:35, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
I just looked a little closer and what I thought was the locking nut is actually a part of the chamber. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:15, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
: Added it to the Diplomat gun page, though I'm not sure what kind of scopes McGarrett got besides red dot, especially the green one. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:54, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
::The other scope is a red dot magnifier --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:09, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:::LOL. And if you look at the red dot scope and the magnifier, the magnifier doesn't line up properly with the red dot scope, which would make it impossible for the shooter to get a proper sight picture. The magnifier is an EOTech 3X magnifier and only lines up properly with EOTech red dot sights. --[[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 16:30, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::::''I would imagine that armourers would only buy uppers and fit them into full auto lowers (3 fire selector settings visible on this gun) as opposed to the semi only Noveske lowers.''
::::You are correct about this. The Noveske Diplomats used on this show are the exact same ones that ISS originally bought and converted to blank-fire for ''[[The Expendables]]'', and those guns were all upper receiver kits that were attached to existing full-auto lowers that the company already had in inventory. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The magnifier doesn't line up because it's flipped to the side out of the way. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:56, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::In the photo above, yes. In the top photo on the main page it's raised. While it should be perfectly useable, the magnifier is slightly taller than the RDS. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 22:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)
== Kono's Gun in Episode 1 ==
Kono used this gun in episode 1 of Season 2. Please help ID. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:H50S2 105.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Appears to be a .45]]
[[File:H50S2 109.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:H50S2 106.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:H50S2 107.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
Looks like some sort of Commander length 1911 variant. It's got a ring style hammer and a beavertail grip safety as well. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 08:39, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
The flat sight rib on this gun is throwing me a bit. I think there was a version of the 1911 that was made in the mid 90s called the Mk. IV "Enhanced" which was available for all version of the 1911 including the Commander. This featured diagonal slide serrations (which I ''think'' this gun has but is hard to tell), a skeleton hammer, extended grip safety and a flattop sight rib along the slide. Can't find a good picture of one to confirm though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:07, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
The thing with 1911s, which makes them hard to identify, is that it could be a franken-gun of loads of different parts from different companies. There is something not right about the shape of it as well. I can't put my finger on it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:10, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
Only good view of the MK IV Enhanced I can find is in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt9uDXEX5m0 this video]. I haven't seen the episode (am still watching Season 1) so am just going by the screen shots, but it looks as if the gun in the show also has the downturned beavertail that the Enhanced model has. It could be a franken-gun as you say, but the hard to identify part (as far as I'm concerned, someone else might know what it is for sure) is the ribbed flattop slide, which seems to only be found on MK IV Enhanced pistols, or on some Colt Gold Cup National Match pistols, which this isn't. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:57, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
:As Commando has said, I would say it's a Series 80 Enhanced Commander too. Since it has the flat top slide and basic three dot sights. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 12:45, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
When McGarrett and Danno go to the gym the pistol in McGarrett's holster looks to have the bigger SIG Sauer grips rather than the slimmer ones of the E2 that he normally carries. Did anyone else notice that or is it just me? --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:04, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
When they were arresting Kono, it looked like his P226 had the little anchor emblem. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 12:28, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:Hawaii.Five-0-001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
That is the P226 Navy, which SIG still sells with the standard grips, so that it matches the ones the SEALs use. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:04, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:P226 Navy.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 Navy - 9x19mm]]
Looks like a short trigger, or is that how they come?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:58, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
:This particular Navy has an SRT as it is the current model. I think this is now the standard trigger for all P220, P226 and P229 pistols from 2011 onwards, although there are still a few variants (such as the Nitron coated stainless steel) that SIG still lists as having the standard trigger. The one in the screencap looks like it has an SRT though so is this years model. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:22, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
Looks like he ditched the SIG brand weaponlight. Anyone know what type of light he has now?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:56, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
:Think it is a [http://www.surefire.com/X300-LED-WeaponLight Surefire X300]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:21, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
Just been having a look around on the SIG Sauer website and is it possible that McGarrett's pistol is actually the P226 MK25? It's newly released last year some time and it would fit with the character because it's the exact same model internally and externally as the SEALs use. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:19, 30 January 2012 (CST)
:No, the rails on McGarrett's are the standard SIG, and not the Picatinny which come on the MK25.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:13, 30 January 2012 (CST)
::That, and the fact that the first episode it appeared in was in September (and it would have been shot quite a while before that), and the pistol wasn't announced until the start of November let alone not actually being released till December. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:52, 30 January 2012 (CST)
:::Oh right, I thought it was released sooner, never mind :) --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:13, 31 January 2012 (CST)
== McGarrett's Holster ==
Does anyone know the model of paddle holster that McGarrett uses? It looks like it is made of kydex and fits his weaponlight.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:35, 6 November 2011 (CST)
I think it's a Blackhawk SERPA. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:38, 6 November 2011 (CST)
No, there is no disengage latch. BTW I am talking about the one he uses normally, not the vest-mounted or drop-leg.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:49, 6 November 2011 (CST)
:A picture. http://hawaiifive0online.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/ew6may2011_h50.jpg --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:28, 6 November 2011 (CST)
Its a Blade Tech Weapon & Tactical light holster with Paddle. http://www.blade-tech.com/Weapon-Tactical-Light-Holster-w-Paddle-pr-967.html
:It also appears that instead of using a Blackhawk SERPA Tactical holster, he has his Blade-Tech mounted onto a Blackhawk STRIKE carrier. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 08:28, 16 November 2011 (CST)
=== McGarret's Vest ===
I noticed McGarret is wearing a different tac vest in this season. A solid front type. Is this a CIRAS vest or just a generic plate carrier? --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 22:14, 9 November 2011 (CST)
==Kono's Sniper Rifle==
Not sure what to call it, so I'll leave it here. Couldn't get anything better.
[[File:Hawaii.Five-0-003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:Hawaii.Five-0-006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
some kind of m4 based rifle with an interesting stock, scope, and suppressor?
:I think it is an [[SR-25]] with a Magpul PRS stock. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:18, 17 November 2011 (CST)
== Episode 10 ==
A few extra guns from episode 10 I noticed while watching it:
#McGarrett carries one of those custom [[AKS-47#AKMSU|AKMSUs]] before being captured.
#One of the North Koreans has an original [[AK-47]], the guy that you see Commander Wade Gutches shoot at the stopped convoy.
#The last SEAL to get on the chopper when they are leaving has an [[RPK]] don't know if he has it the whole time, but I only noticed it then due to the shape of the stock.
--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:48, 22 November 2011 (CST)
:Danno has an underfolding AK of some sort as well, I would guess an AKMS due to the rest of the team carrying AKM variants. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:07, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::Wo Fat had his HK P7 again and used it to (SPOILERS) kill Jenna Kaye.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seems to me that all of Wo Fat's North Korean goons have AKMs. Tried checking the barrels. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 22:24, 24 November 2011 (CST)
::::There is one guy who has an AK-47 (possibly a prop weapon as the guy is throwing himself against a truck at the time). I only have SD caps, but here you go:
::::[[File:H50S2 244.jpg|thumb|600px|none|AK-47 front sight visible]]
::::[[File:H50S2 245.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Just visible in this shot is the groove above magazine indicating a milled receiver.]]
::::This is the only guy who has one, and these caps are from the next shot after Commander Wade Gutches is firing his AKMS at the stopped convoy with his arm around the tree. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:30, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::::: That's better. You don't have a high resolution of either screencap there? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 17:11, 25 November 2011 (CST)
== Not AKS-74U ==
Although hard to tell as you never see a clear side shot of it, I think it is an AKMSU not an AKS-74U. When McGarrett first gets out of the truck you can get a look at the magazine, and it looks too curved to me to be a 5.45x39mm rifle. There are also only two rivets on the rear of the receiver unlike the 3 on the AKS-74U, and the one behind the fire selector is too far away. Also, there is a close up of the side of the rifle when he is firing it which shows the magazine to be one of the regular stamped ridged steel magazines rather than a plastic one. I know that you can get this type in 5.45x39mm, but the polymer ones are much more common aren't they? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:26, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:I'm inclined to agree with you, it's very rare to see a 5.45x39mm stamped steel mag outside of Canadian productions because not a lot of American productions seem to use the Type 84 which is the only none 7.62mm AK I've seen with stamped steel mags. Plus it does look more like a 7.62mm magazine to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:16, 17 December 2011 (CST)
::It's actually extremely rare to see a 5.45mm stamped steel mag in general - Romania, China, North Korea and Poland were the only countries that made them, and Romania and North Korea are the only countries that still use them. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 17:28, 17 December 2011 (CST)
== Frozen USP ==
Would that USP even work if it was loaded and stuffed in a freezer for God knows how long? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:41, 17 December 2011 (CST)
:I'm not sure, it depends how well firearms work in Arctic conditions which would have similar temperatures to a freezer. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:17, 17 December 2011 (CST)
::Here - http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html It's been proven to fire at temps as low as -44 F, so Cmdr. White would have certainly been able to shoot Wo Fat without an issue if the bullets hadn't been removed. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 23:49, 17 December 2011 (CST)
== Joe's Ankle Glock ==
[[File:JoeWhiteGlock.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Joe White fires his Sub Compact Glock at Yakuza Hitmen.]]
In "Puʻolo", Joe White pulls a Sub Compact Glock from an Ankle Holster and fires it back at Yakuza Hitmen. Can someone confirm if this is a 9mm?
It looks like a Glock 26 or 27. If it is the 26, it is 9 mm. If it is a 27, it is .40 S&W--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 12:47, 29 January 2012 (CST)
Isn't site guidlines on Glocks that one should always suppose it's a 9mm if in doubt? [[User:Ekcyboo|Ekcyboo]] 18:20, 7 February 2012 (CST)
Glock 27 is only given in .40 S&W--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 18:41, 7 February 2012 (CST)
Well, I guess we should assume it's a 26 then? --Ekcyboo 09:57, 8 February 2012 (CST)
== Danny's "Trashcan gun" ==
Ok, be gentle, this is my first post on imfdb...
The gun Danny gets out of a trashcan in episode 15, is it a SIG? A P229R or something? I'm not all that good with SIGs, and I actually thought it was a Glock the first time I saw the episode, but I'm fairly certain it's a SIG now. So, if it is a P229(R), can someone upload a screenshot and put it on the main page? Thanks in advance --Ekcyboo 18:26, 7 February 2012 (CST)
I think it is either a p99 compact or just a H&K P30--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 18:41, 7 February 2012 (CST)
I thought it was a Kahr, possibly a PM9. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:57, 7 February 2012 (CST)
Ok guys, guess I was wrong then ;) Ekcyboo 10:13, 8 February 2012 (CST)
It kinda looks like Steve's using a Magpul Angled Foregrip on his AKMSU in one of the screenshots, can anyone verify?
And besides, why would he not bring his HK416 or Noveske Diplomat for this mission? Why the AKMSU? Ekcyboo 09:50, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
:Looks like a Magpul angled foregrip on backwards. Also he used the AKMSU as it was most likely a weapon he picked up locally as smuggling guns into Korea would have been very very risky when he could have just have picked something up whilst in Korea, and the AKMSU doesn't use NATO style ammo so any shell casings couldn't be linked back to the US Government. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:43, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
:Well, that's true, but if you're worried about being caught for weapons smuggling, or about being linked back to the US Government, why (and how) would you use cutting edge accessories from an american company? 0.o
::Because those accessories have been cloned by China already anyway. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:11, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
:::You have a valid point... Should the foregrip be mentioned in the article? Ekcyboo 16:57, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
::::It could be, some people list things like foregrips and some just mention the types of scope attachments, and some just say with attachments. Entirely the poster's decision I think. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:34, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
== Surefire 60 round mag? ==
Anyone else think this is the [http://www.surefire.com/tactical-equipment/high-capacity-magazines/mag5-60.html Surefire 60 round quad stack magazine]? If so is this the first thing that they have appeared in? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:45, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
[[File:H50S2E19 07.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
: Yes, it's the 60-round mag, and It's probably the first time it's been used.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 10:04, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
::I'm pretty sure that it was used in Sinners & Saints which would make that the first time it's been used. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:20, 11 May 2012 (CDT)
== Anyone notice...==
...That the M3A1 in this week's episode was being fired with the ejection port cover ''closed''? Obviously it wasn't really being fired and a CG muzzle flash was added later. The flashes from the DSA seemed fake too, but it looked like Steve's Noveske was actually firing. I've noticed in 5-0 quite a few times that the muzzle flashes "didn't quite look right" and was suspicious that they might be CG, but I could never be sure until now. I realize that the CG firing is probably necessary for cost-cutting or safety reasons, but I have to admit it I don't like it. It never looks real enough to be totally convincing, and it will definitely never be better than a blank-firing weapon.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:38, 9 May 2012 (CDT)
== Sizemore's Glock in the recent episode. ==
Will need to get a screencap, but in the script of this week's episode, the casing found on the scene was from a .40 indicating that on paper, his Glock was supposed to be a 22, but there is always a difference in what is on paper and what the actors are using, or the character had a .40 instead that day. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:53, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
:In that episode they also described the murder's .45 [[M1911#Kimber_Pro_Carry_II|Kimber Pro Carry II]] as a "small caliber handgun", so I wouldn't read too much into what they say. Also, for whoever adds caps the rifle was a [[Nemesis Arms Vanquish]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:58, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
I will do it later tonight, unless someone beats me to it. And good eye on the ID of the rifle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:03, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
I'm not sure the murderer's Kimber was a .45. The bore looked too small. Definitely a Kimber Pro Carry II, but I think it was in 9mm. --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]]
I think that is a P228R or current production P229. Talking about unknowns from that episode, do you have a shot of the AR-15 that Danny was using? I think I saw a Spike's Tactical logo on the magwell and the barrel looked odd to me. --commando552 07:56, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
That is a P229, the overlap of frame to the slide proves this.----JazzBlackBelt-- 15:17, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
That overlap is present of the P228R, P229R and the current P229 so doesn't really narrow it down. Without a clear view of the rear of the slide it is hard to tell them apart, but guess it is probably a P229R (older model with the half height serrations) as that is used on other occasions. --commando552 20:04, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
My bad, forgot the P228R was a P228 slide on a P229R frame, thus having an overlap.. However, that is not a short trigger, so unless the armorer fitted a normal trigger onto a P228R or new P229, this is a P229R. Come to think of it, why do we even have the P228R listed? It hasn't appeared in anything so far. I'm opening a discussion about it on the SIG page.----JazzBlackBelt-- 22:03, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
I don't know about that. It looks a little square, like a Springfield XD. --Mormonpowerranger521
No, that is definitely a SIG slide. I think the lighting is blurring the end of the gun, giving a square effect.----JazzBlackBelt-- 22:03, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
The same way that you distinguish, say, a Glock slide from a Walther P99 slide. They just look different. SIGs have a rounded top, while the XD has a more blocky top. The XD also has front slide serrations, and the SIG does not. Plus, a hammer is visible.----JazzBlackBelt-- 16:22, 11 May 2012 (CDT)
What he said. If you are looking for specific differences, the gun in question here has a round cut out at the bottom corner at the front of the slide like SIG slides, the geometry of the rail on the frame is totally wrong for an XD but matches the railed SIGs, and the slide doesn't have the front cocking serrations of an XD.--commando552 16:56, 11 May 2012 (CDT)
the page has HPD Captain Vince Fryers Glock registered as a G17. i believe that the bore looks a bit to big to be a 9mm. any thoughts Dirtdiver6421 18:02, 19 October 2011 (CDT)
That bore is definitely not 9mm. I remember thinking that it wasn't a 9mm when I saw the episode. Way too big. Possibly a .45 ACP or even a 10mm. --cool-breeze 18:13, 19 October 2011 (CDT)
Agreed. Still not sure where the Glock 20 comes in. The description says from episode 14, which is season 1.----JazzBlackBelt-- 20:26, 19 October 2011 (CDT)
There's been a certain user who's been posting guns that only gave a very vague description and the episode where it appears has been misidentified. So I'm going to delete it. --Ben41 01:14, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Is a seperate page for Season 2 really necessary? Just saying.
I don't think it is at this stage to be honest. --cool-breeze 19:23, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Take a look at how many different weapons have already been identified for Season 2. --Ben41 20:20, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
I counted about 9 that weren't on the season 1 page already. --cool-breeze 08:41, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
A few points to bear in mind on the splitting issue:
By splitting it up into seasons you can have more screenshots to better represent which characters use which guns in particular episodes (site guideline is only 10 images of the same gun per page).
From the type of show this is and based on series one, there will be more guns showing up. You say there are only 9 unique guns, but that is after only 5 episodes out of 24 (assuming they get a full pick up).
Take it from someone who had to split up a page after it was already completed, it is MUCH easier to do this now rather than later.
I suppose I get your point. It does need a few more screenshots I think though as it looks rather bare still. One of Joe with the P226 E2 would be a good one if there's a clear enough shot as it says that he uses one at the end of the season 2 opening episode. --cool-breeze 19:14, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
Joe is never seen in closeup with the SIG in that episode. --Ben41 04:46, 22 October 2011 (CDT)
I know McGarrett uses his HK416 alot, but I know this ain't it. Lori has the M4. I think McGarrett is actually using the Dipolmat here. It's got a very distinctive barrel. Can I get a second opinion? - Thomas 07:35, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
If you look at the trigger guard it's got the curved one of a Magpul style AR trigger guard so that doesn't look that the Diplomat pictured as that one has the standard straight trigger guard. The rail is different as well, on the Diplomat it is a part of the actual body but on the gun pictured it looks like it has some sort of locking nut connecting it to the body. --cool-breeze 08:30, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Definitely a Noveske diplomat, the forward assist is very distinctive as is the flash-hider (can make out the 3 lines of text and the logo the same vague shape as the Noveske one). I can't see a locking nut although it isn't very clear, and from the rail it looks monolithic. There are two different Diplomats, the monolithic ones that uses the Vltor VIS upper (pictured), and another that uses the Vltor MUR and a separate free float handguard. This second version has long slots in the RIS system rather than the circular holes that this one has though, which watch the VIS version. Not sure if it is actually a Noveske purchased rifle though, as the forward assist has the Vltor logo rather than the Noveske logo, so may have just been a custom build that matches the Diplomat. This part is modular though so could just be a replacement. The lower receiver isn't a Noveske one (either the original M4 pattern one or the improved second generation one that they currently use with the flared magazine well) but I would imagine that armourers would only buy uppers and fit them into full auto lowers (3 fire selector settings visible on this gun) as opposed to the semi only Noveske lowers. --commando552 09:45, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Also, don't think the Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine is correct. Firstly it has a flat top so would be an AR-15A3, but also looks to have an M4 profile 14.5" barrel, so think it is simply and M4. --commando552 10:35, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
I just looked a little closer and what I thought was the locking nut is actually a part of the chamber. --cool-breeze 12:15, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Added it to the Diplomat gun page, though I'm not sure what kind of scopes McGarrett got besides red dot, especially the green one. Ominae 20:54, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
The other scope is a red dot magnifier --cool-breeze 10:09, 16 November 2011 (CST)
LOL. And if you look at the red dot scope and the magnifier, the magnifier doesn't line up properly with the red dot scope, which would make it impossible for the shooter to get a proper sight picture. The magnifier is an EOTech 3X magnifier and only lines up properly with EOTech red dot sights. --Travestytrav 16:30, 16 November 2011 (CST)
I would imagine that armourers would only buy uppers and fit them into full auto lowers (3 fire selector settings visible on this gun) as opposed to the semi only Noveske lowers.
You are correct about this. The Noveske Diplomats used on this show are the exact same ones that ISS originally bought and converted to blank-fire for The Expendables, and those guns were all upper receiver kits that were attached to existing full-auto lowers that the company already had in inventory. -MT2008 16:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)
The magnifier doesn't line up because it's flipped to the side out of the way. --cool-breeze 20:56, 16 November 2011 (CST)
In the photo above, yes. In the top photo on the main page it's raised. While it should be perfectly useable, the magnifier is slightly taller than the RDS. --Crazycrankle 22:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)
Kono's Gun in Episode 1
Kono used this gun in episode 1 of Season 2. Please help ID. --Ben41 20:37, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Looks like some sort of Commander length 1911 variant. It's got a ring style hammer and a beavertail grip safety as well. --cool-breeze 08:39, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
The flat sight rib on this gun is throwing me a bit. I think there was a version of the 1911 that was made in the mid 90s called the Mk. IV "Enhanced" which was available for all version of the 1911 including the Commander. This featured diagonal slide serrations (which I think this gun has but is hard to tell), a skeleton hammer, extended grip safety and a flattop sight rib along the slide. Can't find a good picture of one to confirm though. --commando552 11:07, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
The thing with 1911s, which makes them hard to identify, is that it could be a franken-gun of loads of different parts from different companies. There is something not right about the shape of it as well. I can't put my finger on it. --cool-breeze 19:10, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
Only good view of the MK IV Enhanced I can find is in this video. I haven't seen the episode (am still watching Season 1) so am just going by the screen shots, but it looks as if the gun in the show also has the downturned beavertail that the Enhanced model has. It could be a franken-gun as you say, but the hard to identify part (as far as I'm concerned, someone else might know what it is for sure) is the ribbed flattop slide, which seems to only be found on MK IV Enhanced pistols, or on some Colt Gold Cup National Match pistols, which this isn't. --commando552 19:57, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
As Commando has said, I would say it's a Series 80 Enhanced Commander too. Since it has the flat top slide and basic three dot sights. --Predator20 12:45, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
When McGarrett and Danno go to the gym the pistol in McGarrett's holster looks to have the bigger SIG Sauer grips rather than the slimmer ones of the E2 that he normally carries. Did anyone else notice that or is it just me? --cool-breeze 11:04, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
When they were arresting Kono, it looked like his P226 had the little anchor emblem. --Crazycrankle 12:28, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
That is the P226 Navy, which SIG still sells with the standard grips, so that it matches the ones the SEALs use. --commando552 13:04, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
Looks like a short trigger, or is that how they come?----JazzBlackBelt-- 15:58, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
This particular Navy has an SRT as it is the current model. I think this is now the standard trigger for all P220, P226 and P229 pistols from 2011 onwards, although there are still a few variants (such as the Nitron coated stainless steel) that SIG still lists as having the standard trigger. The one in the screencap looks like it has an SRT though so is this years model. --commando552 16:22, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
Looks like he ditched the SIG brand weaponlight. Anyone know what type of light he has now?----JazzBlackBelt-- 16:56, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
Just been having a look around on the SIG Sauer website and is it possible that McGarrett's pistol is actually the P226 MK25? It's newly released last year some time and it would fit with the character because it's the exact same model internally and externally as the SEALs use. --cool-breeze 07:19, 30 January 2012 (CST)
No, the rails on McGarrett's are the standard SIG, and not the Picatinny which come on the MK25.----JazzBlackBelt-- 16:13, 30 January 2012 (CST)
That, and the fact that the first episode it appeared in was in September (and it would have been shot quite a while before that), and the pistol wasn't announced until the start of November let alone not actually being released till December. --commando552 16:52, 30 January 2012 (CST)
Oh right, I thought it was released sooner, never mind :) --cool-breeze 05:13, 31 January 2012 (CST)
McGarrett's Holster
Does anyone know the model of paddle holster that McGarrett uses? It looks like it is made of kydex and fits his weaponlight.----JazzBlackBelt-- 12:35, 6 November 2011 (CST)
I think it's a Blackhawk SERPA. --cool-breeze 14:38, 6 November 2011 (CST)
No, there is no disengage latch. BTW I am talking about the one he uses normally, not the vest-mounted or drop-leg.----JazzBlackBelt-- 15:49, 6 November 2011 (CST)
It also appears that instead of using a Blackhawk SERPA Tactical holster, he has his Blade-Tech mounted onto a Blackhawk STRIKE carrier. --Crazycrankle 08:28, 16 November 2011 (CST)
McGarret's Vest
I noticed McGarret is wearing a different tac vest in this season. A solid front type. Is this a CIRAS vest or just a generic plate carrier? --DeltaOne 22:14, 9 November 2011 (CST)
Kono's Sniper Rifle
Not sure what to call it, so I'll leave it here. Couldn't get anything better.
some kind of m4 based rifle with an interesting stock, scope, and suppressor?
I think it is an SR-25 with a Magpul PRS stock. --commando552 05:18, 17 November 2011 (CST)
Episode 10
A few extra guns from episode 10 I noticed while watching it:
McGarrett carries one of those custom AKMSUs before being captured.
One of the North Koreans has an original AK-47, the guy that you see Commander Wade Gutches shoot at the stopped convoy.
The last SEAL to get on the chopper when they are leaving has an RPK don't know if he has it the whole time, but I only noticed it then due to the shape of the stock.
Danno has an underfolding AK of some sort as well, I would guess an AKMS due to the rest of the team carrying AKM variants. --cool-breeze 14:07, 22 November 2011 (CST)
Wo Fat had his HK P7 again and used it to (SPOILERS) kill Jenna Kaye.----JazzBlackBelt-- 18:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)
Seems to me that all of Wo Fat's North Korean goons have AKMs. Tried checking the barrels. Ominae 22:24, 24 November 2011 (CST)
There is one guy who has an AK-47 (possibly a prop weapon as the guy is throwing himself against a truck at the time). I only have SD caps, but here you go:
This is the only guy who has one, and these caps are from the next shot after Commander Wade Gutches is firing his AKMS at the stopped convoy with his arm around the tree. --commando552 04:30, 25 November 2011 (CST)
That's better. You don't have a high resolution of either screencap there? Ominae 17:11, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Not AKS-74U
Although hard to tell as you never see a clear side shot of it, I think it is an AKMSU not an AKS-74U. When McGarrett first gets out of the truck you can get a look at the magazine, and it looks too curved to me to be a 5.45x39mm rifle. There are also only two rivets on the rear of the receiver unlike the 3 on the AKS-74U, and the one behind the fire selector is too far away. Also, there is a close up of the side of the rifle when he is firing it which shows the magazine to be one of the regular stamped ridged steel magazines rather than a plastic one. I know that you can get this type in 5.45x39mm, but the polymer ones are much more common aren't they? --commando552 08:26, 24 November 2011 (CST)
I'm inclined to agree with you, it's very rare to see a 5.45x39mm stamped steel mag outside of Canadian productions because not a lot of American productions seem to use the Type 84 which is the only none 7.62mm AK I've seen with stamped steel mags. Plus it does look more like a 7.62mm magazine to me. --cool-breeze 17:16, 17 December 2011 (CST)
It's actually extremely rare to see a 5.45mm stamped steel mag in general - Romania, China, North Korea and Poland were the only countries that made them, and Romania and North Korea are the only countries that still use them. --Markit 17:28, 17 December 2011 (CST)
Frozen USP
Would that USP even work if it was loaded and stuffed in a freezer for God knows how long? Excalibur01 11:41, 17 December 2011 (CST)
I'm not sure, it depends how well firearms work in Arctic conditions which would have similar temperatures to a freezer. --cool-breeze 17:17, 17 December 2011 (CST)
Here - http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html It's been proven to fire at temps as low as -44 F, so Cmdr. White would have certainly been able to shoot Wo Fat without an issue if the bullets hadn't been removed. --DeltaOne 23:49, 17 December 2011 (CST)
In "Puʻolo", Joe White pulls a Sub Compact Glock from an Ankle Holster and fires it back at Yakuza Hitmen. Can someone confirm if this is a 9mm?
It looks like a Glock 26 or 27. If it is the 26, it is 9 mm. If it is a 27, it is .40 S&W--Coltmth 12:47, 29 January 2012 (CST)
Isn't site guidlines on Glocks that one should always suppose it's a 9mm if in doubt? Ekcyboo 18:20, 7 February 2012 (CST)
Glock 27 is only given in .40 S&W--Coltmth 18:41, 7 February 2012 (CST)
Well, I guess we should assume it's a 26 then? --Ekcyboo 09:57, 8 February 2012 (CST)
Danny's "Trashcan gun"
Ok, be gentle, this is my first post on imfdb...
The gun Danny gets out of a trashcan in episode 15, is it a SIG? A P229R or something? I'm not all that good with SIGs, and I actually thought it was a Glock the first time I saw the episode, but I'm fairly certain it's a SIG now. So, if it is a P229(R), can someone upload a screenshot and put it on the main page? Thanks in advance --Ekcyboo 18:26, 7 February 2012 (CST)
I think it is either a p99 compact or just a H&K P30--Coltmth 18:41, 7 February 2012 (CST)
I thought it was a Kahr, possibly a PM9. --commando552 18:57, 7 February 2012 (CST)
Ok guys, guess I was wrong then ;) Ekcyboo 10:13, 8 February 2012 (CST)
It kinda looks like Steve's using a Magpul Angled Foregrip on his AKMSU in one of the screenshots, can anyone verify?
And besides, why would he not bring his HK416 or Noveske Diplomat for this mission? Why the AKMSU? Ekcyboo 09:50, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
Looks like a Magpul angled foregrip on backwards. Also he used the AKMSU as it was most likely a weapon he picked up locally as smuggling guns into Korea would have been very very risky when he could have just have picked something up whilst in Korea, and the AKMSU doesn't use NATO style ammo so any shell casings couldn't be linked back to the US Government. --cool-breeze 11:43, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
Well, that's true, but if you're worried about being caught for weapons smuggling, or about being linked back to the US Government, why (and how) would you use cutting edge accessories from an american company? 0.o
Because those accessories have been cloned by China already anyway. --cool-breeze 16:11, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
You have a valid point... Should the foregrip be mentioned in the article? Ekcyboo 16:57, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
It could be, some people list things like foregrips and some just mention the types of scope attachments, and some just say with attachments. Entirely the poster's decision I think. --cool-breeze 17:34, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
Yes, it's the 60-round mag, and It's probably the first time it's been used.--Mandolin 10:04, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
I'm pretty sure that it was used in Sinners & Saints which would make that the first time it's been used. --cool-breeze 06:20, 11 May 2012 (CDT)
Anyone notice...
...That the M3A1 in this week's episode was being fired with the ejection port cover closed? Obviously it wasn't really being fired and a CG muzzle flash was added later. The flashes from the DSA seemed fake too, but it looked like Steve's Noveske was actually firing. I've noticed in 5-0 quite a few times that the muzzle flashes "didn't quite look right" and was suspicious that they might be CG, but I could never be sure until now. I realize that the CG firing is probably necessary for cost-cutting or safety reasons, but I have to admit it I don't like it. It never looks real enough to be totally convincing, and it will definitely never be better than a blank-firing weapon.--Phillb36 21:38, 9 May 2012 (CDT)
Sizemore's Glock in the recent episode.
Will need to get a screencap, but in the script of this week's episode, the casing found on the scene was from a .40 indicating that on paper, his Glock was supposed to be a 22, but there is always a difference in what is on paper and what the actors are using, or the character had a .40 instead that day. Excalibur01 15:53, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
In that episode they also described the murder's .45 Kimber Pro Carry II as a "small caliber handgun", so I wouldn't read too much into what they say. Also, for whoever adds caps the rifle was a Nemesis Arms Vanquish. --commando552 16:58, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
I will do it later tonight, unless someone beats me to it. And good eye on the ID of the rifle Excalibur01 18:03, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
I'm not sure the murderer's Kimber was a .45. The bore looked too small. Definitely a Kimber Pro Carry II, but I think it was in 9mm. --Mormonpowerranger521
