Talk:Half-Life: Difference between revisions

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Alien Weapons

Should the alien weapons be put into this article? I know they aren't real, but they are still weapons from the game

Nope --AdAstra2009 06:24, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Why not? Why not the Gluon gun or the Tau as well?

They are considered as fictional firearms and have no use being put here. - Kenny99 20:04, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

Different mods

I think we should probably divide the guns up among pages for the original Half-Life, and also make new pages for Opposing Force and Blue Shift. I don't think we should throw the OpFor and Blue Shift (read: HD Pack) weapons on this page.

Half Life norm smg

Isn't it a Bizon not an MP5 with the MP5 being added via mods?

You have that the wrong way round.

dose the crossbow count as a weapon on this sight?

MP5 SD

I'm pretty sure the mp 5 in th egame is the silenced variant, it sure looks like it.

it is an mp5. if you look at it while its on the ground you can see its an mp5

This is a very well-known continuity error. The Player (p_view) model is an MP5SD3, but the World (w_view) model that lies on the ground is an MP5A3. On the other hand, the weapon certainly does not sound like an MP5SD3. -MT2008

The thing that looks like a silencer is a compensator used to protect the grenade launcher. ---Drake2

Yeah, just like the one from "End of Days"

No, it's not. Look at the model some time using the Half-Life Model Viewer or any other such program. The p_view MP5 model clearly has an MP5SD hand guard and suppressor, not a ported compensator and G3-style hand guard like the End of Days MP5. Not to mention that Half-Life was released almost a year before End of Days, so I doubt the Half-Life artists used that gun as their reference point. -MT2008

M4?

The "M4" would be a Colt Commando seeing as it has a fixed carry handles and no features that would identify it as an M4. --AdAstra2009 23:51, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

If it has a stepped barrel, it could be...sort of. The Colt Model 777 (which is the first gun that was adopted as "the M4") did not have a detachable carry handle. But the 777 also fires burst. The full-auto version of the 777, the 727, was never adopted. And I think the Half-Life: Blue Shift "M4" is a full-auto weapon. -MT2008

RPG

For me the RPG looks kinda wierd too,but Combine OverWiki(half life wikia) says that it resembles an Armbrust.Is this true?

i think it does. i checked with combine overwiki (i am a member) and it does say that, when i googled it,it doeslook just like it. its called the HECU RPG, but RPG is rocket proppelled greneade and this isnt its more like laser guided rocket launcher smish34

Taken from Main Page

They've only used the single action .45 ACP M1911/M1911A1, and the SIG-Sauer P226 and M9 in 9mm.

Just one question: when has the USMC ever used the SIG? They don't even give SIGs to their pilots (contrast this with the Navy, who issues the P228 to their pilots as well as SEALs.--24.15.51.1 23:55, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

Can anyone please help with these guns?

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Thanks. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 14:04, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

1 is supposed to be a Bradley, so it's an M242 Bushmaster chaingun. 2 doesn't really have enough detail to ID; it looks more like they based it on a WW2 anti-tank gun than a modern artillery piece, though. 3 would just be "fictional gatling gun." Evil Tim 14:39, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

Also, get a picture of the Abrams, it's worth commenting that the hull machine gun it has is totally wrong since I can't off-hand think of any MBT that's ever had a hull MG; it compromises the glacis plate. Evil Tim 14:46, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

Ok, will get an image. But first tell me which tank is the Abrams. There is a yellow tank or the green tank. The green tank has a Browning on its top, the yellow one has no MG on it. (so I'm thinking it is the green one) - bozitojugg3rn4ut 15:25, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

I only recall one tank (the green one, IIRC). When do you see the other? Evil Tim 15:27, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

There is a tank with desert finish when climbing up from the sewers I think. I didnt cap it because there was no gun on it.

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The Green Tank

Is this the Abrams? And back to the Bradley: can we add the TOWs too? (see, I did some research in the past minutes...XD) - bozitojugg3rn4ut 15:40, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

You can, yes. The tank with the hull gun is in an open area with trenches you can use to sneak around it, I think it's just after that Bradley you've got in the picture. Evil Tim 16:28, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

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This is what you meant, right? This is from the original game. In the HD version there is a small window and the Browning is sticking out from there so it is a little bit more acceptable.

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+ a bonus mortar awaiting the IDing

bozitojugg3rn4ut 08:56, 17 October 2011 (CDT)

Fictional again (if it were anything real it would be a >12 inch siege mortar), and that stupid little mount would probably just make it flip over backwards if you tried to fire it in real life. Evil Tim 09:35, 17 October 2011 (CDT)

Now this is an impressive necropost even for me, but I thought of something. I've played through the game multiple times, and I'm pretty sure that I would remember a giant mortar firing. This, coupled with its location in a scientific research facility (and, given how it seems to be around night-time in that screenshot, the astronomical-oriented section in particular (the area where you launch the rocket from)), makes me wonder something: how do we know that it isn't a telescope? If nothing else, I don't really think that a group of Marines could get that large a mortar on top of a roof in such a short span of time, after including all the time spent securing the area and all, especially considering that the door next to it in this screenshot is too small for it, so it would have to be taken up in pieces and assembled there. So, do you think that this is a logical idea? Or have I forgotten something, and so now I've just been rambling on like an idiot? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:43, 10 August 2017 (EDT)

A telescope.. an interesting argument but I don't think it works. For one I think I remember this piece actually firing, myself. Or, at the very least I most certainly recall having to run a lot to avoid getting otherwise inexplicably blown up in the part of the level where this appears and with nothing else to explain said explosions, well.. there ya go. I'll add by pointing out it does have a large ammo box next to it (which a telescope certainly doesn't need) and I don't see an ordinance depot as the typical place to conduct stargazing. I agree with the ridiculousness of it being up there, just as I also agree with Tim's point about the ridiculousness of it actually being used. Hey it is a video game, and one approaching 20 years out at that. StanTheMan (talk) 02:16, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

Wait a second... is this in one of the expansions? Like, Opposing Force or Blue Shift? 'Cause, if so, then that would pretty much invalidate my main point. Well, at least I have the fact that I now know how to upload screenshots to comfort me. See ya in my next edit spree (New Vegas), now with someone screenshots. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:04, 11 August 2017 (EDT) P.S.: Do we have an ID on the Blue Shift cover art pistol? It looks kinda odd.

I'm pretty sure that's from OP4, 'cause I remember that section was a pain. And also, I was replaying HL and during the section "On a Rail" these launchers were being fired at me (rockets). Is this based on a real launcher system? -SeptemberJack (talk) 11:47, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

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At an angle.

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From the back.

Those are on the main page; they're loosely based on the M202 FLASH, with a slightly different body shape, square holes, and a magazine feeding system. Also, would you kindly try and get close to one of those without killing the enemy next to them? They won't actually attack, so you can get a great shot of the low-detail NPC M727, which is different from the dropped/in-world model. Also, any ideas on the pistol on the Blue Shift cover art? Thanks! Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 12:28, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

The pistol, idk (looks like a amalgam of pistols, imo, just like the Half-Life shotgun). Here's the model you wanted,

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A HECU Grunt holds his M727 in the cliffs of "Surface Tension".

and I found the mortar! It's in the level "The Package" of Opposing Force.

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The mortar used in the level "The Package".

Thanks, Jack! Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

I do think you should leave one non-HD screenshot at the top of each section, just to illustrate the difference better. That's what I'm planning to do when MGS HD Collection comes out. Evil Tim 07:32, 18 October 2011 (CDT)

Changed the order of some of the images. now most weapons have pics of both versions, Maybe I will get the rest when I have the time but to be honest playing the old version hurts. Really. Oh, and the combine wiki claims that the artillery is a M198 Howitzer. What do you think? - bozitojugg3rn4ut 08:06, 18 October 2011 (CDT)

I think not. Take a look. [1] - Mr. Wolf 10:55, 18 October 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, game-specific Wikis can have some fairly "interesting" ideas about weapon IDs added. If someone held a gun to my head and said I had to ID it as something, I'd say it was a deployed PaK 44 with the wheels missing, but it looks nothing like any modern field gun. And looking at the mortar again, I think they based it on a telescope. Evil Tim 11:01, 18 October 2011 (CDT)

Mills Bomb instead of Mk II Grenade

I've been looking at the handgrenade in the original game and it looks more like a Mills Bomb rather than a MkII. What do you think?

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Mills Bomb High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.

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Original version of the Mk 2 grenade.

The fuze looks nothing like a Mills bomb's fuze. It is just a big fat Mk2 grenade. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 11:52, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

Could say that the the scoring patterns on the body looks nothing like a Mk2. Perhaps a hybrid?

Beretta 92FS

Why does it say that the 17-round magazine is incorrect for the Beretta 92FS? On the main page for the Beretta 92 pistol series, the 17-round capacity is included --Ultimate94ninja 15:59, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

Where on the page for the Beretta 92 does it say that there is a 17 round magazine for it? I want to know because I just checked and found none. Jeddostotle7 20:26, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

Specifications section above the 92FS section. There is a factory 17-rounder, but from the pictures I just looked at it has a deeper base than the one on the model in the game. Evil Tim 02:31, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

Oh, I didn't see that part somehow. 0_o Jeddostotle7 11:11, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

Beretta's 17-round magazines for the 92FS did not exist when Blue Shift came out. I forget when they were introduced, but I know they weren't around at that time. -MT2008 12:02, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

The 17 round magazines were introduced with the Beretta 90-Two, which came out in 2006. Dover500 12:31, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

MP5 UBGL counterpart

Fun fact: I just saw mentions of the ISTEC ISL-200, an underslug grenade launcher made in the 2000s that can apparently be attached to the MP5 and even to the MP7 (those submachine guns being in HL1 and HL2, respectively). Not sure what sources we can trust and whatnot :P (which is why I'm not putting a particular link, so feel free to google it) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 12:10, 19 January 2018 (EST)

Colt Model 727 in HL Source

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The weapon in Half-Life: Source's HD pack could look like an M4A1 at first glance, but looking at it closely the carrying handle seems to be a fixed one. Thus, I suppose we should keep it IDed as a Model 727, just with added knobs on the carry handle like an M4 (but on the opposite side). Opinions? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:23, 30 July 2019 (EDT)

I suppose those are supposed to be the knobs as part of the removable carry handle (which would make it a legit (Model 921) M4A1), but that's a fairly crude representation if so. But between that and the fact there's no showing of even a simple line to indicate the slight gap between the rail notches and the carry handle (nevermind the actual break/gap of the notches and the carry handle in proper detail), and no receiver markings to the contrary - Eh, I don't see any big need to change it. StanTheMan (talk) 22:19, 30 July 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, in fact, HL source initially lacked an HD pack, and a fan-made one was released (with various changes compared to the HD pack of the original Half-Life and its expansions, notably the HEV suit's scratches, the textures of some weapons, and the HECU's uniforms which received a Russian podlesok-style camo). For some reason, rather than having Gearbox's official HD pack ported to the game, that fan-made pack made it to the official HL Source following a 2013 update. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 12:10, 31 July 2019 (EDT)

Jet ID

Just now noticed this, but there's a brief fly-by from a jet in Surface Tension (in the cliff area with the Armbrust and the helicopter fight). I'm not any good with planes, but if anyone here is, there's a pretty good view of it from above around 2:43-2:50 in this video. Might be worth noting for trivia's sake, especially since we could point out the guns on said plane. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:09, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

Looks like a very low-poly F-16C. Probably only worth mentioning if the extracted texture has the M61 firing port.--AgentGumby (talk) 23:19, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

It's a low detail brush that uses a single repeated generic metal texture, so I don't think it qualifies for inclusion. TheExplodingBarrel (talk) 14:45, 11 June 2022 (EDT)

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 :Fictional again (if it were anything real it would be a >12 inch siege mortar), and that stupid little mount would probably just make it flip over backwards if you tried to fire it in real life. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:35, 17 October 2011 (CDT)
+::Now this is an impressive necropost even for ''me'', but I thought of something. I've played through the game multiple times, and I'm pretty sure that I would remember a giant mortar firing. This, coupled with its location in a scientific research facility (and, given how it seems to be around night-time in that screenshot, the astronomical-oriented section in particular (the area where you launch the rocket from)), makes me wonder something: how do we know that it ''isn't'' a telescope? If nothing else, I don't really think that a group of Marines could get that large a mortar on top of a roof in such a short span of time, after including all the time spent securing the area and all, especially considering that the door next to it in this screenshot is too small for it, so it would have to be taken up in pieces and assembled there. So, do you think that this is a logical idea? Or have I forgotten something, and so now I've just been rambling on like an idiot? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 09:43, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
+::: A telescope.. an interesting argument but I don't think it works. For one I think I remember this piece actually firing, myself. Or, at the very least I most certainly recall having to run a lot to avoid getting otherwise inexplicably blown up in the part of the level where this appears and with nothing else to explain said explosions, well.. there ya go. I'll add by pointing out it does have a large ammo box next to it (which a telescope certainly doesn't need) and I don't see an ordinance depot as the typical place to conduct stargazing. I agree with the ridiculousness of it being up there, just as I also agree with Tim's point about the ridiculousness of it actually being used. Hey it is a video game, and one approaching 20 years out at that. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:16, 11 August 2017 (EDT)
+::::Wait a second... is this in one of the expansions? Like, Opposing Force or Blue Shift? 'Cause, if so, then that would pretty much invalidate my main point. Well, at least I have the fact that I now know how to upload screenshots to comfort me. See ya in my next edit spree (New Vegas), now with someone screenshots. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 09:04, 11 August 2017 (EDT) P.S.: Do we have an ID on the Blue Shift cover art pistol? It looks kinda odd.
+:::::I'm pretty sure that's from OP4, 'cause I remember that section was a pain. And also, I was replaying HL and during the section "On a Rail" these launchers were being fired at me (rockets). Is this based on a real launcher system? -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 11:47, 11 August 2017 (EDT)
+[[Image:HLOlauncher.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At an angle.]]
+[[Image:HLOlauncher2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|From the back.]]
+::::::Those are on the main page; they're loosely based on the M202 FLASH, with a slightly different body shape, square holes, and a magazine feeding system. Also, would you kindly try and get close to one of those without killing the enemy next to them? They won't actually attack, so you can get a great shot of the low-detail NPC M727, which is different from the dropped/in-world model. Also, any ideas on the pistol on the Blue Shift cover art? Thanks! [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 12:28, 11 August 2017 (EDT)
+:::::::The pistol, idk (looks like a amalgam of pistols, imo, just like the Half-Life shotgun). Here's the model you wanted,
+[[Image:HLOM727.jpg|thumb|none|599px|A HECU Grunt holds his M727 in the cliffs of "Surface Tension".]]
+and I found the mortar! It's in the level "The Package" of Opposing Force.
+[[Image:HLMortar.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mortar used in the level "The Package".]]
+::::::::Thanks, Jack! [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 14:08, 11 August 2017 (EDT)
 I do think you should leave one non-HD screenshot at the top of each section, just to illustrate the difference better. That's what I'm planning to do when MGS HD Collection comes out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:32, 18 October 2011 (CDT)
+::Changed the order of some of the images. now most weapons have pics of both versions, Maybe I will get the rest when I have the time but to be honest playing the old version hurts. Really. Oh, and the combine wiki claims that the artillery is a M198 Howitzer. What do you think? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:06, 18 October 2011 (CDT)
+:::I think not. Take a look. [http://www.google.com/search?q=M198+Howitzer&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=SzC&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=46CdTs_AFKbt0gG26K24CQ&ved=0CDQQsAQ&biw=1680&bih=907] - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:55, 18 October 2011 (CDT)
+::::Yeah, game-specific Wikis can have some fairly "interesting" ideas about weapon IDs added. If someone held a gun to my head and said I had to ID it as ''something'', I'd say it was a deployed [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pak+44&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1920&bih=954 PaK 44] with the wheels missing, but it looks nothing like any modern field gun. And looking at the mortar again, I think they based it on a telescope. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:01, 18 October 2011 (CDT)
+== Mills Bomb instead of Mk II Grenade ==
+I've been looking at the handgrenade in the original game and it looks more like a Mills Bomb rather than a MkII.
+What do you think?
+[[Image:Mills Bomb SGM-1.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Mills Bomb High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]
+[[Image:Half-Life Mk2 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Original version of the Mk 2 grenade.]]
+:The fuze looks nothing like a Mills bomb's fuze. It is just a big fat Mk2 grenade. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:52, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
+Could say that the the scoring patterns on the body looks nothing like a Mk2. Perhaps a hybrid?
+== Beretta 92FS ==
+Why does it say that the 17-round magazine is incorrect for the Beretta 92FS? On the main page for the [[Beretta 92 pistol series]], the 17-round capacity is included --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] 15:59, 11 August 2012 (CDT)
+:Where on the page for the Beretta 92 does it say that there is a 17 round magazine for it?  I want to know because I just checked and found none.  [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 20:26, 11 August 2012 (CDT)
+::Specifications section above the 92FS section. There is a factory 17-rounder, but from the pictures I just looked at it has a deeper base than the one on the model in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:31, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
+:::Oh, I didn't see that part somehow.  0_o  [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 11:11, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
+::::Beretta's 17-round magazines for the 92FS did not exist when ''Blue Shift'' came out. I forget when they were introduced, but I know they weren't around at that time. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 12:02, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
+:::::The 17 round magazines were introduced with the Beretta 90-Two, which came out in 2006. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 12:31, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
+== MP5 UBGL counterpart ==
+Fun fact: I just saw mentions of the ISTEC ISL-200, an underslug grenade launcher made in the 2000s that can apparently be attached to the MP5 and even to the MP7 (those submachine guns being in HL1 and HL2, respectively). Not sure what sources we can trust and whatnot :P (which is why I'm not putting a particular link, so feel free to google it) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:10, 19 January 2018 (EST)
+== Colt Model 727 in HL Source ==
+[[File:HLS-M727.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+[[File:HLS-M727-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+The weapon in Half-Life: Source's HD pack could look like an M4A1 at first glance, but looking at it closely the carrying handle seems to be a fixed one. Thus, I suppose we should keep it IDed as a Model 727, just with added knobs on the carry handle like an M4 (but on the opposite side). Opinions? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:23, 30 July 2019 (EDT)
+: I suppose those are supposed to be the knobs as part of the removable carry handle (which would make it a legit (Model 921) M4A1), but that's a fairly crude representation if so. But between that and the fact there's no showing of even a simple line to indicate the slight gap between the rail notches and the carry handle (nevermind the actual break/gap of the notches and the carry handle in proper detail), and no receiver markings to the contrary - Eh, I don't see any big need to change it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:19, 30 July 2019 (EDT)
+::Yeah, in fact, HL source initially lacked an HD pack, and a fan-made one was released (with various changes compared to the HD pack of the original Half-Life and its expansions, notably the HEV suit's scratches, the textures of some weapons, and the HECU's uniforms which received a Russian podlesok-style camo). For some reason, rather than having Gearbox's official HD pack ported to the game, that fan-made pack made it to the official HL Source following a 2013 update. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:10, 31 July 2019 (EDT)
+==Jet ID==
+Just now noticed this, but there's a brief fly-by from a jet in Surface Tension (in the cliff area with the Armbrust and the helicopter fight). I'm not any good with planes, but if anyone here is, there's a pretty good view of it from above around 2:43-2:50 in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqMljO0hrt4 this video.] Might be worth noting for trivia's sake, especially since we could point out the guns on said plane. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 22:09, 9 June 2022 (EDT)
+:Looks like a very low-poly F-16C. Probably only worth mentioning if the extracted texture has the M61 firing port.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:19, 9 June 2022 (EDT)
+::It's a low detail brush that uses a single repeated generic metal texture, so I don't think it qualifies for inclusion. [[User:TheExplodingBarrel|TheExplodingBarrel]] ([[User talk:TheExplodingBarrel|talk]]) 14:45, 11 June 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Half-Life: Difference between revisions

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Alien Weapons

Different mods

MP5 SD

M4?

RPG

Taken from Main Page

Can anyone please help with these guns?

Mills Bomb instead of Mk II Grenade

Beretta 92FS

MP5 UBGL counterpart

Colt Model 727 in HL Source

Jet ID

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Different mods

MP5 SD

M4?

RPG

Taken from Main Page

Can anyone please help with these guns?

Mills Bomb instead of Mk II Grenade

Beretta 92FS

MP5 UBGL counterpart

Colt Model 727 in HL Source

Jet ID

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