Talk:The Avengers (2012): Difference between revisions
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Didn't see it in the trailer, but you saw Nick Fury with a pistol in a promo image released a while ago. Can't make it out very well, but my guess would be a [[SIG-Sauer P228]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:55, 11 October 2011 (CDT)
Didn't see it in the trailer, but you saw Nick Fury with a pistol in a promo image released a while ago. Can't make it out very well, but my guess would be a [[SIG-Sauer P228]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:55, 11 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:Nick-fury-avengers.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Nick-fury-avengers.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
Considering he carried a Smith&Wesson M&P throughout the entire film, I'd say its the M&P. --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 07:40, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
:Commando's post was from 3 years ago before the film was out, I'm sure he has realized it is an M&P by now considering on how this picture appears on the main page and it is identified as an M&P. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 11:53, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
== Airtronic RPG-7 ==
== Airtronic RPG-7 ==
That is one...ugly ugly...What are all those rails for? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:55, 11 October 2011 (CDT)
That is one...ugly ugly...What are all those rails for? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:55, 11 October 2011 (CDT)
:I guess the makers of the weapon wanted it to be all... 'tacti-cool'? But I agree, the rails on that weapon are too much. What the hell is the shooter going to put on them? ACOG sights? M68 Aimpoints? Night vision scopes? Heartbeat sensors? Sorry, those would not look right on an RPG. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 03:40, 12 October 2011 (CDT)
:You could put a PEQ2 on it. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:42, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
==Add'l Screenshots==
[[File:Avengers-promos-pictures-03.jpg|thumb|501px|none|A production photo of Black Widow firing the Glock 26s.]]
[[Image:AvengersG26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pic from the trailer shows Black Widow with her holstered Glock 26s.]]
== Hawkeye's Bow ==
It plays an important role in the film (like with Rambo & his bow). If we can identify it can we include it? --[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 01:26, 14 October 2011 (CDT)
:I think it can be listed as it has a pretty prominent role but that is just my oppinion. I believe the bow is a modified Hoyt Buffalo, with a sight and cosmetic fake hinges added where the limbs attach (at least I assume they are fake for the working model). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:25, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
:: At least one model of bow is a compact one that can fold up tightly. When Hawkeye needs to use it, he thrusts forward and the arms snap into place. I think that was a special prop due to the difficulties in getting a stringed bow to fold up and snap out like that, and they switch to a slightly modified composite bow after.
==Weapon==
I think soem of the SHEILD Agents had SIG 552s, and there may have been an AUG A3. Can anyone confirm that?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 18:01, 6 May 2012 (CDT)
I know I saw an AUGA3. I'm not sure about the SIG though I was too busy enjoying the film.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:19, 6 May 2012 (CDT)
: Definatly an AUG A#, some ofthe Diplomats, some SIG 552s, and the first guy into the bridge seemed to have a Micro Galil.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 18:03, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
== Hawkeye's Pistol ==
Just to be pedantic, how can we be sure Hawkeye's sidearm is a P30 and not an HK45? Because when I saw the film today I didn't see anything to swing it either way. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:52, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:The HK45 has a squared trigger guard, I'm not 100% sure but Hawkeye's looked to have the curved trigger guard of the P30. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:10, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:: Well I just got caught up on the fact the holster he's wearing looks like [http://www.imidefense.com/Products/Polymer-Holsters/Heckler-and-Koch/IMI-Z1220.html the one IMI makes for the HK45] (Although it's mounted on a Safariland leg rig for some reason), since it has the same style of trigger-guard retention and the cut over the ejection port that the [http://www.imidefense.com/Products/Polymer-Holsters/Heckler-and-Koch/IMI-Z1380.html P30 holster] lacks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:41, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:::You could be right, I was too engrossed in the film to be looking carefully at the guns being used to be honest. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:44, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
::::All HK45s have a frame safety don't though? This pistol doesn't which is why I ID'd it as a P30? Could be wrong though, was just going off that one promo image. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:45, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:::::Yes, it does. Said safety can also be moved to the other side of the weapon for left-handed shooting, as appears to be the case here. Quoting from [http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/hk45_general.asp HK USA]: "An improved USP-style control lever, a combination safety and decocking lever, is frame mounted on the HK45 and is quickly accessible. The HK45 control lever has a positive stop and returns to the “fire” position after decocking.
:::::By using the modular approach to the internal components first pioneered by HK on the USP, the control lever function of the HK45 can be switched from the left to the right side of the pistol to accommodate left-handed shooters (additional parts required). Left and right mounted control levers provide safety and/or decocking functions as required and can be fitted to the pistol simply by changing parts. For true ambidextrous use, a control lever can also be mounted on both sides of the pistol if required." [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:18, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
::::::I still think it is a P30. Below is a larger cropped and brightened image:
::::::First off, I think the holster is just a Blackhawk CQC serpa holster made for the P30 (although I think it does also fit the HK45C, which is the version of the HK45 it would be if it was one). If you look at the above pistol there is a join on the grip that sweeps upwards to the back of the grip which is present on the P30, but on the HK45 there are no markings on the side of grip aside from the textured panels. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:39, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:::::::OK, I stand corrected. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:48, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
::::::::That is a Blackhawk CQC serpa holster and a P30. Look at the grip, see how the side panels have a seam. The P30 has removable side panels and the HK45 doesn't. If
::::::::that was a HK45 the sides of the grip would be a smooth continuous surface. That's the holster I have for my P30S. [[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]
== M&P ==
There's an extreme close up of it in the credits, just making a note of that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:38, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
== Alien Weapons ==
Has anyone been able to get a screen capture of the alien rifles used in the movie?
Even if we did, we don't do alien guns unless it is really necessary or if it was a prop built on a real gun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 12:18, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
:You can see them well enough in [http://www.uruloki.org/felipeblog/images2012-1/20120414_the_avengers_villanos_2-xl.jpg this] promo image (might actually be concept art but that is exactly what the weapons look like in the film) to tell that they are not based on anything, and there is no chance they would be mistaken for a real gun, so don't think they should be included. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:24, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
:Most of them look like sticks with blades on them, but that huge rifle Coulson used looked to at least have parts of real guns. I didn't get a good look, but I think that's the only fiction gun worth worrying about. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:08, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
== Mercenaries? (spoilers) ==
Right now the page describes the people accompanying Hawkeye when he attacks the heli-carrier as mercenaries, but this isn't the case is it? Unless I missed something they are brainwashed SHIELD agents aren't they? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:38, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
This was my thought also, I think it should be changed. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 08:47, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
Chances are at least some of them are mercenaries '''*SPOILER*''' it is referenced in the movie when Loki is talking to Hawkeye in the cave before they go to germany that Hawkeye was able to get so many people to join Loki because of the amount of enemies SHIELD had. This implies that the people helping Loki outside of Hawkeye and Erik Selvig are not members of SHIELD. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 09:18, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
:I don't remember that line, but I would imagine that other SHIELD personnel must have been turned as I doubt things like the Quinjet are off the shelf and would have to have come from a shield base somewhere presumably with some personnel. Regardless, I don't think they should be referred to as mercenaries as that is purely an assumption. I think it would be simpler (and less spoilery) just to refer to them as "Hawkeye's team". If you have seen the film you will know what that means, and if you haven't it gives nothing away. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:54, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
::This might be a little old but i also remmeber mentioning that there were people who would gladly help since they hated SHIELD--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] ([[User talk:Dillinger|talk]]) 04:07, 4 October 2012 (EDT)
== Grenade ==
I think the grenade is an old style ALS flashbang (NFDD), same as the one used on The Unit.
gunner313
== Unknown pistol ==
In the Black Widow interrogation scene, one of the guys has a pistol in his waistband. It might be a Makarov, but it's hard to be sure. [[User:A Shootist|A Shootist]]
== Coulson's gun? *SPOILERS*==
Interesting, nobody referenced Coulson's gun that he uses to blast Loki before he dies...
Best pic I could find, too lazy to screengrab from film :P
It looks like just an M4 with a bunch of cosmetic crap on it.
[[File:TheAvengersUnknown.jpg|thumb|601px|none|]]
Here is a picture. It has a scope on it and a EOTech sight on it. It doesn't really resemble a specific assault rifle or gun.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] ([[User talk:Coltmth|talk]]) 12:54, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
[[File:TheAvengersUnknownFireup.jpg|thumb|601px|none|Here he is firing it up.]]
:[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-os7Eqp05VZM/UbxuWgx-FMI/AAAAAAABEd4/wNAQ74ipDKg/s640/988_coulson.jpg Here] is a pic of the toy, which appears to be accurate. I highly doubt there is a real weapon in there, but it does appear to use some real weapon parts, such as the AR-15 retractable stock. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:23, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
== Gun Handling Audio ==
I was watching The Avengers with commentary the other day, but had the subtitles turned on so I could follow the dialog. In the scene where Black Widow draws on banner, the subtitles and audio indicate "gun cocking". Since the Glock 19 has an internal striker, there really isn't anything for Johannsen to draw back with her thumbs. I see a lot of discussion about the visual and handling aspect of realistic firearm usage, but I've lately become very aware of the large number of antiquated and overused audio samples that are used when characters handle firearms on screen. --[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 16:50, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
:Yeah, that's the fault of the audio guys, which seems to be the norm nowadays. By that I mean that actors/directors/etc, and thus movies and shows in general have gotten much, much better with proper gun handling, reloads, and all that, but the audio people still haven't caught up with that improvement, it seems. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:58, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
Didn't see it in the trailer, but you saw Nick Fury with a pistol in a promo image released a while ago. Can't make it out very well, but my guess would be a SIG-Sauer P228. --commando552 17:55, 11 October 2011 (CDT)
Considering he carried a Smith&Wesson M&P throughout the entire film, I'd say its the M&P. --Bauer2121 (talk) 07:40, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
Commando's post was from 3 years ago before the film was out, I'm sure he has realized it is an M&P by now considering on how this picture appears on the main page and it is identified as an M&P. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 11:53, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
Airtronic RPG-7
That is one...ugly ugly...What are all those rails for? Excalibur01 20:55, 11 October 2011 (CDT)
I guess the makers of the weapon wanted it to be all... 'tacti-cool'? But I agree, the rails on that weapon are too much. What the hell is the shooter going to put on them? ACOG sights? M68 Aimpoints? Night vision scopes? Heartbeat sensors? Sorry, those would not look right on an RPG. --ThatoneguyJosh 03:40, 12 October 2011 (CDT)
You could put a PEQ2 on it. --AdAstra2009 00:42, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
It plays an important role in the film (like with Rambo & his bow). If we can identify it can we include it? --ZombieKiller 01:26, 14 October 2011 (CDT)
I think it can be listed as it has a pretty prominent role but that is just my oppinion. I believe the bow is a modified Hoyt Buffalo, with a sight and cosmetic fake hinges added where the limbs attach (at least I assume they are fake for the working model). --commando552 15:25, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
At least one model of bow is a compact one that can fold up tightly. When Hawkeye needs to use it, he thrusts forward and the arms snap into place. I think that was a special prop due to the difficulties in getting a stringed bow to fold up and snap out like that, and they switch to a slightly modified composite bow after.
Weapon
I think soem of the SHEILD Agents had SIG 552s, and there may have been an AUG A3. Can anyone confirm that?--Mandolin 18:01, 6 May 2012 (CDT)
I know I saw an AUGA3. I'm not sure about the SIG though I was too busy enjoying the film.Rockwolf66 18:19, 6 May 2012 (CDT)
Definatly an AUG A#, some ofthe Diplomats, some SIG 552s, and the first guy into the bridge seemed to have a Micro Galil.--Mandolin 18:03, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
Hawkeye's Pistol
Just to be pedantic, how can we be sure Hawkeye's sidearm is a P30 and not an HK45? Because when I saw the film today I didn't see anything to swing it either way. The Wierd It 15:52, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
The HK45 has a squared trigger guard, I'm not 100% sure but Hawkeye's looked to have the curved trigger guard of the P30. --cool-breeze 16:10, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
Well I just got caught up on the fact the holster he's wearing looks like the one IMI makes for the HK45 (Although it's mounted on a Safariland leg rig for some reason), since it has the same style of trigger-guard retention and the cut over the ejection port that the P30 holster lacks. The Wierd It 16:41, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
You could be right, I was too engrossed in the film to be looking carefully at the guns being used to be honest. --cool-breeze 16:44, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
All HK45s have a frame safety don't though? This pistol doesn't which is why I ID'd it as a P30? Could be wrong though, was just going off that one promo image. --commando552 16:45, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
Yes, it does. Said safety can also be moved to the other side of the weapon for left-handed shooting, as appears to be the case here. Quoting from HK USA: "An improved USP-style control lever, a combination safety and decocking lever, is frame mounted on the HK45 and is quickly accessible. The HK45 control lever has a positive stop and returns to the “fire” position after decocking.
By using the modular approach to the internal components first pioneered by HK on the USP, the control lever function of the HK45 can be switched from the left to the right side of the pistol to accommodate left-handed shooters (additional parts required). Left and right mounted control levers provide safety and/or decocking functions as required and can be fitted to the pistol simply by changing parts. For true ambidextrous use, a control lever can also be mounted on both sides of the pistol if required." The Wierd It 17:18, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
I still think it is a P30. Below is a larger cropped and brightened image:
First off, I think the holster is just a Blackhawk CQC serpa holster made for the P30 (although I think it does also fit the HK45C, which is the version of the HK45 it would be if it was one). If you look at the above pistol there is a join on the grip that sweeps upwards to the back of the grip which is present on the P30, but on the HK45 there are no markings on the side of grip aside from the textured panels. --commando552 17:39, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
OK, I stand corrected. The Wierd It 17:48, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
That is a Blackhawk CQC serpa holster and a P30. Look at the grip, see how the side panels have a seam. The P30 has removable side panels and the HK45 doesn't. If
that was a HK45 the sides of the grip would be a smooth continuous surface. That's the holster I have for my P30S. Insertjjs
M&P
There's an extreme close up of it in the credits, just making a note of that. Alex T Snow 16:38, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
Alien Weapons
Has anyone been able to get a screen capture of the alien rifles used in the movie?
Even if we did, we don't do alien guns unless it is really necessary or if it was a prop built on a real gun Excalibur01 12:18, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
You can see them well enough in this promo image (might actually be concept art but that is exactly what the weapons look like in the film) to tell that they are not based on anything, and there is no chance they would be mistaken for a real gun, so don't think they should be included. --commando552 12:24, 15 May 2012 (CDT)
Most of them look like sticks with blades on them, but that huge rifle Coulson used looked to at least have parts of real guns. I didn't get a good look, but I think that's the only fiction gun worth worrying about. Alex T Snow 04:08, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
Mercenaries? (spoilers)
Right now the page describes the people accompanying Hawkeye when he attacks the heli-carrier as mercenaries, but this isn't the case is it? Unless I missed something they are brainwashed SHIELD agents aren't they? --commando552 05:38, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
This was my thought also, I think it should be changed. --Sidewinder Forge 08:47, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
Chances are at least some of them are mercenaries *SPOILER* it is referenced in the movie when Loki is talking to Hawkeye in the cave before they go to germany that Hawkeye was able to get so many people to join Loki because of the amount of enemies SHIELD had. This implies that the people helping Loki outside of Hawkeye and Erik Selvig are not members of SHIELD. Dover500 09:18, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
I don't remember that line, but I would imagine that other SHIELD personnel must have been turned as I doubt things like the Quinjet are off the shelf and would have to have come from a shield base somewhere presumably with some personnel. Regardless, I don't think they should be referred to as mercenaries as that is purely an assumption. I think it would be simpler (and less spoilery) just to refer to them as "Hawkeye's team". If you have seen the film you will know what that means, and if you haven't it gives nothing away. --commando552 09:54, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
This might be a little old but i also remmeber mentioning that there were people who would gladly help since they hated SHIELD--Dillinger (talk) 04:07, 4 October 2012 (EDT)
Grenade
I think the grenade is an old style ALS flashbang (NFDD), same as the one used on The Unit.
gunner313
Unknown pistol
In the Black Widow interrogation scene, one of the guys has a pistol in his waistband. It might be a Makarov, but it's hard to be sure. A Shootist
Coulson's gun? *SPOILERS*
Interesting, nobody referenced Coulson's gun that he uses to blast Loki before he dies...
Here is a picture. It has a scope on it and a EOTech sight on it. It doesn't really resemble a specific assault rifle or gun.--Coltmth (talk) 12:54, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
Here is a pic of the toy, which appears to be accurate. I highly doubt there is a real weapon in there, but it does appear to use some real weapon parts, such as the AR-15 retractable stock. --commando552 (talk) 13:23, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
Gun Handling Audio
I was watching The Avengers with commentary the other day, but had the subtitles turned on so I could follow the dialog. In the scene where Black Widow draws on banner, the subtitles and audio indicate "gun cocking". Since the Glock 19 has an internal striker, there really isn't anything for Johannsen to draw back with her thumbs. I see a lot of discussion about the visual and handling aspect of realistic firearm usage, but I've lately become very aware of the large number of antiquated and overused audio samples that are used when characters handle firearms on screen. --MrMiracle (talk) 16:50, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
Yeah, that's the fault of the audio guys, which seems to be the norm nowadays. By that I mean that actors/directors/etc, and thus movies and shows in general have gotten much, much better with proper gun handling, reloads, and all that, but the audio people still haven't caught up with that improvement, it seems. Alex T Snow (talk) 16:58, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
