Talk:District B13: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 23:27, 2 December 2023

SG-550 is actually a SG-551?

I haven't actually seen this movie myself (so I can't study multiple screenshots) but when I happened upon this page, I could not help to notice that it seems the SG-550 is actually an SG-551.

Error creating thumbnail: File missing

I am not too experienced with the SG-55x series, but I noticed what appear to be 4 differences:

(1) handguard in screenshot has a 3 openings on the top side rather than 5 on the SG550, (2) the lower part of the handguard towards the magazine seems to be sloped downwards towards the trigger, rather than straight like on the SG550, (3) the lower forward part of the handguard (just above the flashlight) seems to have some sort of a rail-like dent, just like on the SG551, and (4) the external part of the barrel seems to be quite short, just like on the SG551.

Please let me know what you think and I will gladly make a revision, --PeeWee055 03:29, 7 October 2011 (CDT)

It is a SG 551. :) - Mr. Wolf 12:06, 7 October 2011 (CDT)

Thanks a lot for the quick confirmation. As you may have seen, I revised the page plus the references on the respective gun pages. --PeeWee055 07:53, 8 October 2011 (CDT)

Title Wrong?

Is the title of this page wrong, as IMDB lists it as "District 13", and B13 is short for the original French title "Banlieue 13". "District B13" seems like it is redundant. Every poster and DVD I can find either calls it "District 13", or "B13/Banlieue 13". --commando552 20:02, 8 December 2011 (CST)

I agree, it's silly, but IMDB lists it as "District B13" That's also technically the American title, if you look at the release info. If you really wanted, I guess you can argue for the International English title, "13th District." And this poster does say "District B13." --Funkychinaman 20:23, 8 December 2011 (CST)

For me IMDB has the title as District 13. Maybe it is trying to be a clever bastard by knowing where I am and giving me the English title. Have swapped the current poster for the US release one as per the rules. Sequel makes it more confusing, as it drops the B for the US version. --commando552 20:44, 8 December 2011 (CST)

You SHOULD mention you're a Brit in your user page. (then I can make bad teeth jokes, just kidding) That helps us figure things out like "why does Your google or IMDB show different things. They divert to the respective servers in your region of the world. you won't see stuff that Americans see. We see differences here all the time that are regional. You aren't the first Englishman to wonder why the hell we have stuff listed the way we do, since their "Amazon" or "IMDB" pages show something different. Sometimes you gotta trust us when we state that some items are listed a certain way in America :D MoviePropMaster2008 01:59, 21 January 2012 (CST)

La France M16K??

On the page under Skorpian, the photo of the AR15 'pistol/smg' the henchman is holding MIGHT be a La France M16K. The barrel length in the shot looks good, and the original M16K uses the CAR-15 receiver. There's a 5.56 version and a .45 machine gun version. From the wikipedia page, "The M16K is a so-called "K" weapon ("K" standing for the German word Kurz meaning short.) The La France M16K, was basically a standard military M16 rifle, chambered for the standard issue 5.56 mm cartridge with an 8 3/8 inch (213 mm) barrel. The standard barrel length is 20 inches (508 mm)." What you think?

Miyazawa (i have no clue how to sign these posts.....)

shotgun

Why wouldn't this be a Mossberg 500? --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2013 (EST)

Error creating thumbnail: File missing

To the left, one of Montoyas' guards reloads his Savage-Stevens 67H Pump Shotgun - 12 gauge

This Galil is 7.62mm model ?

Left French National police men using Galil 7.62mm ARM ?

I can see the shape of the magazine to be different on the left. --KINKI'boy (talk) 10:25, 13 November 2013 (JST)

Error creating thumbnail: File missing

Definitely a 7.62 Galil.--Crazycrankle (talk) 21:27, 12 November 2013 (EST)

I would like to edit, but it must have somehow the image of police men. Can you change to a new image of Media:B13_Galil_02.jpg? --KINKI'boy (talk) 13:52, 13 November 2013 (JST)

SIG pistol

The pistol used by Leïto can't be a P228, since in the film it has a squared trigger guard, which is not the case for a P228 (except for the P228R, though this one has a rail, unlike the one in the film). Any ideas about the pistol? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:35, 20 March 2015 (EDT)

Really can't tell much with that image in that section (I assume you mean listed under the 'SIG Pro 2009' section). It does appear to be an intermediate/compact-sized SIG, but the newer squared trigger-guarded P228 and P229s indeed do have rails and, more importantly, weren't released until after this film's production I think. It could be a SIG-Sauer P225, but again, it's tough to tell. That being said, this page really needs a good once-over. StanTheMan (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2015 (EDT)

Eh, could be a P225. Since we're not sure about the pistol, I've changed the heading to SIG pistol until we identify it. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:44, 21 March 2015 (EDT) EDIT: Having updated the screencaps, I'm pretty sure it's a SIG Pro SP 2022.

Glock

I think the pistol used by Tomaso in the casino is always a Glock 33 and doesn't switch from a Glock 32. Look at these two screencaps at the instance where he holds it while still in his disguise. Isn't this the subcompact model? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:32, 25 July 2015 (EDT)

Error creating thumbnail: File missing

I'm pretty sure now that it's a 33 the whole time, I checked other shots of the same scene. I added a couple of Full HD screencaps to the page (and updated the two above); I'll replace the current low-res other ones later. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:11, 1 November 2015 (EST)

I agree the Glock shown here and on the page is a subcompact,but I'd be really surprised if the actual gun used is really a 33 chambered in .357 Sig, when a 9mm G26 will look and perform exactly the same and cause less logistical headaches for the armoroer. Also the Glock 18s look to me to be 17L longslides. Look especially at the righthand gun and note how the slide extends past the frame.As an aside, I think BRI used to use Glock 17Ls.--Tecolote (talk) 23:45, 2 November 2015 (EST)

I added another screencap that shows the fire selector, confirming that they are Glock 18s. Also, pretty sure that the "extensions" are actually some sort of compensators. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:38, 15 May 2017 (EDT)

Oh and in regards to the "Glock 33", an officer is seen dropping magazines to Damien, and I'm pretty sure they have 9x19mm rounds in them (plus, the later shots showing the magazines directly before they are loaded into the pistols have the same type of rounds. Therefore, there's no continuity error or something, based on the fact that the film crew definitely used different magazines, since the original ones must have been damaged on impact with the ground due to the height from which they were thrown). I'm gonna add screencaps and make updates to the page in a while. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:53, 17 January 2018 (EST)

@@ Line 1: / Line 1: @@
-==Moved Discussion of mystery rifle here==
+__TOC__<br clear="all">
-This is a Chinese type 56C weapon. The STG2000C does not have the dimples over the magazine nor a cleaning rod or bayonet under the barrel. Also, Chinese weapons have enclosed front sights. The STG2000C's front sight is more open than that.
-::WRONG! again! The enclosed hood of the Chinese AKs are a completely different front sight than this gun.  This gun is a combo front sight and gas block so it is a new design.  Also the Romanian style folding stocks don't FIT on the Chinese guns, the dimensions are different.  As I said before, this is the EUROPEAN version of the STG2000C (which is what the US IMPORTER calls the sporter version of this gun) that is imported in the  U.S., except I don't know what the European gun is called.
+== SG-550 is actually a SG-551? ==
-Though one may think it is a German (formerly East German) Mpi-KMS-72 it is not, nor is it an AK104.  It is the current European commercial variant of the Wieger STG-940.  The STG-940 was built between 1980-1988.    The 940 was the 7.62x39mm version and the 942 was the 5.56mm Version) This version is a heavily modified version of the new STG-2000.  There is an American import model with a 16" barrel and a full stock.  The European version of the  STG-2000C has an m16 birdcage flash hider right in front of the gas block (12" Barrel) and an East German AK style side folding stock.  The version in the film has removed the German Wieger fore-end (which made it difficult to identify) and replaced the M16 Style flash hider with a traditional AK muzzle nut.  The movie gun's Wieger foregrip was replaced with traditional AK Black Synthetic foregrip furniture (which is non-standard on the Wieger commercial rifles).
+I haven't actually seen this movie myself (so I can't study multiple screenshots) but when I happened upon this page, I could not help to notice that it seems the SG-550 is actually an SG-551.
-[[Image:B13 Aks&MP5Ks.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Two of Tahas' men - one with an MP5K (9mm) and a modified STG-2000C - 7.62x39mm]]
-[[Image:B13-AK104Modifieda.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A thug fires a modified German Wieger STG-2000C - 7.62x39mm]]
+[[Image:SIG550-551.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+I am not too experienced with the SG-55x series, but I noticed what appear to be 4 differences:
+(1) handguard in screenshot has a 3 openings on the top side rather than 5 on the SG550, (2) the lower part of the handguard towards the magazine seems to be sloped downwards towards the trigger, rather than straight like on the SG550, (3) the lower forward part of the handguard (just above the flashlight) seems to have some sort of a rail-like dent, just like on the SG551, and (4) the external part of the barrel seems to be quite short, just like on the SG551.
+Please let me know what you think and I will gladly make a revision, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 03:29, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
-OK. For all of you who may not be "into" AK 47 rifles and their variants, what you are looking at is a Romanian AIR. It's chambered in 5.56mm and is (was) Romania's answer to the Russian AKS-74U (Krinkov). I can see how someone would confuse it with a modified STG-941, but the front sight base of the two rifles are completely different.
+:It is a SG 551. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:06, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
-::Okay then please explain WHY the gun in the photo has a 7.62x39mm magazine, or can you NOT see that it is a 7.62 mag by the curvature?
-''(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101)''
+Thanks a lot for the quick confirmation. As you may have seen, I revised the page plus the references on the respective gun pages. --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 07:53, 8 October 2011 (CDT)
-Yes, I can see the curvature. It looks like most of the magazines that I've used IN ACTUAL COMBAT over the past 37 years!
-::Hurray! So what?  You a Haji or something?  I used STANAG mags when I got my CIB in ODS.  Prior military experience with rifles '''OTHER than the one we're talking about''' doesn't prove anything.  Besides I am positive I possess more AK variants than you've ever handled. MPM
+== Title Wrong? ==
-''(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101)''
+Is the title of this page wrong, as IMDB lists it as "District 13", and B13 is short for the original French title "Banlieue 13". "District B13" seems like it is redundant. Every poster and DVD I can find either calls it "District 13", or "B13/Banlieue 13".  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:02, 8 December 2011 (CST)
-But my eyesight and the magazine are not the topic here.
+:I agree, it's silly, but IMDB lists it as [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414852/combined "District B13"] That's also technically the American title, if you look at the release info. If you really wanted, I guess you can argue for the International English title, "13th District." And [http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4070937088/tt0414852 this poster] does say "District B13." --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:23, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+::For me IMDB has the title as District 13. Maybe it is trying to be a clever bastard by knowing where I am and giving me the English title. Have swapped the current poster for the US release one as per the rules. Sequel makes it more confusing, as it drops the B for the US version.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:44, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+:::You SHOULD mention you're a Brit in your user page.  (then I can make bad teeth jokes, just kidding)  That helps us figure things out like "why does Your google or IMDB show different things.  They divert to the respective servers in your region of the world.  you won't see stuff that Americans see.  We see differences here all the time that are regional.  You aren't the first Englishman to wonder why the hell we have stuff listed the way we do, since their "Amazon" or "IMDB" pages show something different.  Sometimes you gotta trust us when we state that some items are listed a certain way in America :D  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:59, 21 January 2012 (CST)
-:: Uh, yes, it should be.  We're identifying an unknown rifle by what it looks like.  Obvious errors like yours makes your statements suspect at best.
+== La France M16K?? ==
-''(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101)''
+On the page under Skorpian, the photo of the AR15 'pistol/smg' the henchman is holding MIGHT be a La France M16K. The barrel length in the shot looks good, and the original M16K uses the CAR-15 receiver. There's a 5.56 version and a .45 machine gun version. From the wikipedia page, "The M16K is a so-called "K" weapon ("K" standing for the German word Kurz meaning short.) The La France M16K, was basically a standard military M16 rifle, chambered for the standard issue 5.56 mm cartridge with an 8 3/8 inch (213 mm) barrel. The standard barrel length is 20 inches (508 mm)." What you think?
-What you have labeled as the STG-940 is actually a Romanian AIR!
+---- Miyazawa (i have no clue how to sign these posts.....)
-::Proof would be nice.  Like I've stated before, this is an unknown rifle here in the U.S. so actually helping with proof is a good thing.  Since (a) you're an ANONYMOUS user and (b) we get so much crap and erroneous information from tons of anonymous users all the time, forgive me if I don't jump down and accept everything you say without question. MPM2008
+== shotgun ==
-''(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101)''
+Why wouldn't this be a Mossberg 500? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:47, 12 November 2013 (EST)
-And the copies of the Weiger that are sold in the U.S. are nothing more than WASR-10 rifles with AIR gas blocks.
+[[Image:B13 DesertEagle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To the left, one of Montoyas' guards reloads his Savage-Stevens 67H Pump Shotgun - 12 gauge]]
-::Could be, the American crap clones are all we have to go on.  Since there is precious little information about some of these funky European rifles ANYWHERE.  We freely admit that these rifles are probably the original European variants of crappy American Clone rifles, but their nomenclature is nowhere to be found. MPM2008
+== This Galil is 7.62mm model ? ==
-''(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101)''
+[[Image:B13_Galil_02.jpg|800px|none|thumb|Left French National police men using Galil 7.62mm ARM ?]]
-By the way, there is no STG-940 in 7.62mm... IT DOESN'T EXIST!! 940 is the SERIES designation given to the Weiger rifles. The series went from 941 to 945 and they were only produced in 5.56mm.
+I can see the shape of the magazine to be different on the left. --[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 10:25, 13 November 2013 (JST)
-::No Shit Sherlock! I already knew that.  But the rifle LOOKS like an STG-40 chambered in 7.62mm which is why it is a mystery.  We don't know if someone modified the 940 rifle or someone created a new line chambered for a different round.  guess what?  That info is not available either.  Take a second and read what other people write instead of getting all high and mighty. MPM2008
+[[File:Banlieue 13 - Galil.jpg|700px|none|thumb|Definitely a 7.62 Galil.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 21:27, 12 November 2013 (EST)]]
-''(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101)''
+:I would like to edit, but it must have somehow the image of police men. Can you change to a new image of [[Media:B13_Galil_02.jpg]]? --[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 13:52, 13 November 2013 (JST)
-I get the feeling that you think that if you reprint what you've read and add enough "details", people will believe it... WRONG! Some of us have hand's on experience! Lima, Peru or BUST!!
-::I get the feeling that you're an Idiot.  Peru?  What are you?  Shining Path or what?  Either give us useful information or get the hell out of here.  MPM2008
-:::I guess he doesn't know you are a movie armorer and have been in the service before. A two-for-one in experiance points. Maybe if you ask around with some armorers who may know some of the french armorers you could find out more. Other than that I don't think I could be much help. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
-: I just watched this movie last night and my god it was awesome. I can't wait for the sequel to come in the mail from netflix-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 23:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
-Is this the rifle that everyone was arguing about? The movie gun lacks the muzzle brake and has a different handguard, but most of the other details seem to match.
+==SIG pistol==
-[http://www.arms.home.ro/arms/cugir1/pag/7.html Late Model AIMS Carbine (PM Md. 90)]-[[User:Markit|Markit]]
-::Thanks Markit, that is a very PROMISING candidate for the gun.  Damn these obscure European AKs.  No one has good info on a lot of them.  I would LOVE to travel Europe and just photograph every AK variant currently being made by all the major players, including the ones intended for commercial sale.  All my AK books deal only with the origins of the gun and the versions adopted by militaries around the world (with crappy pictures).[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
+The pistol used by Leïto can't be a P228, since in the film it has a squared trigger guard, which is not the case for a P228 (except for the P228R, though this one has a rail, unlike the one in the film). Any ideas about the pistol? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:35, 20 March 2015 (EDT)
+:Really can't tell much with that image in that section (I assume you mean listed under the 'SIG Pro 2009' section). It does appear to be an intermediate/compact-sized SIG, but the newer squared trigger-guarded P228 and P229s indeed do have rails and, more importantly, weren't released until after this film's production I think. It could be a [[SIG-Sauer P225]], but again, it's tough to tell. That being said, this page really needs a good once-over. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:15, 20 March 2015 (EDT)
+::Eh, could be a P225. Since we're not sure about the pistol, I've changed the heading to SIG pistol until we identify it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:44, 21 March 2015 (EDT) EDIT: Having updated the screencaps, I'm pretty sure it's a SIG Pro SP 2022.
-== SG-550 is actually an SG-551? ==
+==Glock==
+I think the pistol used by Tomaso in the casino is always a Glock 33 and doesn't switch from a Glock 32. Look at these two screencaps at the instance where he holds it while still in his disguise. Isn't this the subcompact model? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:32, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
+[[File:B13 Glock 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+[[File:B13 Glock 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+:I'm pretty sure now that it's a 33 the whole time, I checked other shots of the same scene. I added a couple of Full HD screencaps to the page (and updated the two above); I'll replace the current low-res other ones later. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:11, 1 November 2015 (EST)
-I haven't actually seen this movie myself (so I can't study multiple screenshots) but when I happened upon this page, I could not help to notice that it seems the SG-550 is actually an SG-551.
+I agree the Glock shown here and on the page is a subcompact,but I'd be really surprised if the actual gun used is really a 33 chambered in .357 Sig, when a 9mm G26 will look and perform exactly the same and cause less logistical headaches for the armoroer. Also the Glock 18s look to me to be 17L longslides. Look especially at the righthand gun and note how the slide extends past the frame.As an aside, I think BRI used to use Glock 17Ls.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 23:45, 2 November 2015 (EST)
+:I added another screencap that shows the fire selector, confirming that they are Glock 18s. Also, pretty sure that the "extensions" are actually some sort of compensators. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:38, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
-[[Image:SIG550-551.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+::Oh and in regards to the "Glock 33", an officer is seen dropping magazines to Damien, and I'm pretty sure they have 9x19mm rounds in them (plus, the later shots showing the magazines directly before they are loaded into the pistols have the same type of rounds. Therefore, there's no continuity error or something, based on the fact that the film crew definitely used different magazines, since the original ones must have been damaged on impact with the ground due to the height from which they were thrown). I'm gonna add screencaps and make updates to the page in a while. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:53, 17 January 2018 (EST)
-I am not too experienced with the SG-55x series, but I noticed what appear to be 4 differences:
-(1) handguard in screenshot has a 3 openings on the top side rather than 5 on the SG550, (2) the lower part of the handguard towards the magazine seems to be sloped downwards towards the trigger, rather than straight like on the SG550, (3) the lower forward part of the handguard (just above the flashlight) seems to have some sort of a rail-like dent, just like on the SG551, and (4) the external part of the barrel seems to be quite short, just like on the SG551.
-Please let me know what you think and I will gladly make a revision, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 03:29, 7 October 2011 (CDT)

Talk:District B13: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 23:27, 2 December 2023

Contents

SG-550 is actually a SG-551?

Title Wrong?

La France M16K??

shotgun

This Galil is 7.62mm model ?

SIG pistol

Glock

Navigation menu

Talk:District B13: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 23:27, 2 December 2023

SG-550 is actually a SG-551?

Title Wrong?

La France M16K??

shotgun

This Galil is 7.62mm model ?

SIG pistol

Glock

Navigation menu

Search