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[[Image:BH15TT00BK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Blackhawk Tatang in real life.]]
Also, there's some type of Sig Sauer pistol in this screenshot on the chest
=== Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed ===
The Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed returns from ''Modern Warfare 2''. It is used by Price in "Stronghold" and is seen on a table in "Back on the Grid" but can't be obtained by the player.
A Spyderco Military is used by Sandman to cut the seatbelt in the wrecked humvee at the beginning of "Black Tuesday". The same model is also used by Price to kill one of Makarov's MH-6 Little Bird pilots in "Dust to Dust".
Looks like the M18 Smoke Grenade returns. -[[User:1morey]] May 14, 2011 12:07 AM (EST)
=== Ocean Master Diving Knife ===
== Title ==
An Ocean Master Diving Knife is carried by Sandman in "Hunter Killer".
This page should be moved to "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3" since that is the official title. Don't let the "Modern Warfare 2" page confuse you, that's fucked up also. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 13:49, 13 May 2011 (CDT)
=== M1942 Machete ===
A slightly modified version of the M1942 Machete model from ''Black Ops'' is used by an African militant in "Back on the Grid".
I also think that the title should be the official title, so I already changed it. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 05:40, 14 May 2011 (CDT)
=== Mark 82 Bomb ===
Mark 82 Bombs are dropped by the B-2 Spirit as part of the "Stealth Bomber" killstreak which itself is recycled from ''Modern Warfare 2''.
==Issues==
== Attachments ==
=== Adco SOLO Sight System/Sightmark Sure Shot ===
Like in ''Call of Duty 4'', the "Red Dot Sight" is based on the Adco SOLO Sight System or some of its numerous copies like the Sure Shot reflex sight.
We have no confirmation from anyone that any of these images are legit. Should this page even exist? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:19, 13 May 2011 (CDT)
=== Docter/Burris Fastfire 3 Hybrid ===
The Docter/Burris Fastfire 3-esque red dot sight from ''Modern Warfare 2'' appears on some AK-47s found in the Special Ops mission "Kill Switch". It is not available in multiplayer.
I don't see any evidence proving to the contrary either. We'll live, if it's not legit, then it'll be taken off. Seems like an insanely elaborate hoax to basically render half of a game's weapon arsenal and create a ton of concept art, in addition to the images of the NPC skins and such. You could be right, but, in all likelihood... this is a leak of legitimate information.
=== Aimpoint CompM2 ===
The Aimpoint CompM2 appears on some AK-47s found in the Special Ops mission "Kill Switch". It is erroneously treated like the ACOG, even sharing its reticle. It is not available in multiplayer.
If it is legit though, how do we know it's final? This could be a deliberate leak of outdated info and models. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:11, 13 May 2011 (CDT)
=== EOTech EXPS3 ===
The EOTech EXPS3 appears as the "Holographic Sight". It is inaccurately depicted with a quick detach lever from the EOTech 553.
Even if it isn't final, it's still worthwhile to put in. The G3 was in a trailer for Modern Warfare 2, and the last time I checked, it was still on the imfdb page.
=== Trijicon ACOG TA31 ===
The Trijicon ACOG TA31 appears as the "ACOG Sight". The ACOG is depicted with an electronic reticle instead of the etched tritium-illuminated reticle.
There is a update to this Modern Warfare 3 leak. Robert Bowling of Infinity Ward tweeted this: "A lot of hype & a lot of leaked info on #MW3, some still accurate, some not. To avoid spoiling the experience, I'd wait for the real reveal." So I'm guessing the leak IS legitimate [[User:SeanWolf]]
=== Leupold Mark 4 HAMR ===
The Leupold Mark 4 High Accuracy Multi-Range HAMR scope appears as the "HAMR Scope".
Well, as much as I think Bowling is a self-absorbed hipster, this is good. I assume the "tangible" pics and stuff like that are more concrete than some of the story details and map names "Plaza 2", was probably changed/cut. Either way, good for identifying stuff.
=== T14/TAM-14 Thermal Scope ===
The "Thermal Scope" is based on the SPI CORP T14 Thermal Scope or Nivisys TAM-14 Thermal Acquisition Monocular.
Oh god, the KSG. Here's hoping they use both of that weapon's mag tubes instead of restricting you to only one of them --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 23:02, 13 May 2011 (CDT)
=== EOTech MPO III ===
The EOTech MPO III close-/long-range sighting system appears as the "Hybrid Sight".
I am a huge fan of the KSG. Yeah, I really agree with you there. Though, in the previous Modern Warfares, they've limited the M1014 to the capacity of a KAC Masterkey for balancing purposes. Wouldn't get my hopes up.
=== Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS ===
The Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS M5B1 Front Focal scope appears as the "Variable Zoom".
:My biggest fear with the KSG is how IW or whoever is really making it will make the KSG act in-game. My thought process tells me "Somehow, I think their gonna make it fire like a double barrelled shotgun, two shots at the same time". Given IW's creditability and COD's inaccuracy with real world weapons in game, this to me seems like a likely possibility. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 00:38, 15 May 2011 (CDT)
=== Heartbeat Sensor ===
The fictional heartbeat sensor returns from ''Modern Warfare 2'', albeit with a slightly different design, but nevertheless still based on the M314 Motion Tracker from the ''Alien'' franchise.
Yes, but, would it really be that noticeable? I mean, what would be the difference over firing one round? It's still a pump-action, so regardless, you'd still have to rack the pump back. They didn't make the Ranger shotgun or the Olympia fire both rounds at the same time, they're double barreled as well.
=== Grip ===
:You actually got two firing triggers when you use a single Ranger --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 09:12, 15 May 2011 (CDT)
An unknown vertical foregrip appears in the menu image for the "Grip" attachment, though when used on weapons, the actual model is of a KAC foregrip.
Which is plausible, because it has two triggers on the real-world model. On the KSG, IF, big IF, they made it fire two rounds at the same time for some reason, they'd probably operate under the assumption that you're switching tubes between each shot. I don't know, just giving IW the benefit of the doubt for now. They don't seem to have messed up with any of their modern shotguns except in the realm of magazine capacity.
== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==
==Winchester Model 1887==
Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:
What in the name of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit did they do to that shotgun. *Pukes all over keyboard*. I mean, I love CoD as much as the next person (I just look past the mistakes (Russians with Tavors, and TDI Vectors)), but THAT just looks ridiculous!!! - [[User:1morey]] May 14, 2011 12:09 AM (EST)
I mean, it's the "CoD Universe", IW can make the Russians use whatever weapons they want. It's no different/worse than Special Operations personnel using MP5k airsoft replicas [They did in MW2], or using MG4's for that matter, and ACR's. Call of Duty was never intended to be a military simulator, even less so starting to really become obvious with MW2 [A US Army General firing a revolver on the front lines]. However, on topic, the 1887 never should've been in the game in my opinion. There are plenty of shotguns, and IW seems to just copy and paste things from movies rather than being original. As for the depiction in MW3, at least they made the 1887 unique. Granted, it's silly, but for a game weapon... it's much more fitting to "tacticalize" it.
It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Also as far as multiplayer is concerned, the removal of the enlarged loop means that you will no longer be able to flip cock it, therefore no longer able to dual wield... unless IW does it anyway which means that technically the player would be breaking their fingers every time they do a flip cock. [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 17:10, 18 May 2011 (CDT)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Yeah, gonna' have to side with you on that one. IW showers in the over the top, unoriginal, borderline plagiarism from popular movies. There's no logical advantage for them to include the 1887 unless it's able to be dual wielded. But, like you said, they may have tacticalized it to be a "modern lever-action shotgun", whilst taking out the dual wield capability. We'll see.
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:I'd rather see them give us a nice lever-action rifle than the 1887 again. Not enough games have them, and it's not like "the army doesn't use them" is a valid excuse in a series where a military firing range has Deagles lying around. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:54, 19 May 2011 (CDT)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)
I'd rather them just scrap lever actions altogether. Certainly, the argument of "The army doesn't use them" isn't really relevant, perhaps the argument "No army would even consider using it" is more fitting. But when nobody uses an overall design archetype (Lever Action) in a tactical setting, it seems silly to include it as a shotgun or not. In other words, in my opinion, lever actions have no place in Modern Warfare both the game and the concept. 1887 should've never been in MW2, because it set a precedent that it was okay to put absurdly pointless weapons in CoD games.[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:56, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
:"No!" "YES!" [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 00:22, 20 July 2012 (CDT)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911 after learning from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b (Dwight Howard) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]
:Several armies not only considered using them but actually did. That's rather more than the number of armies which have ever considered using the WA2000 or Desert Eagle, which last I checked was zero. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:12, 20 May 2011 (CDT)
^Isn't that... crap, what's his name... he played Jet Jackson on that Disney Channel show. Anyway, isn't that Jet Jackson? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:23, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
:Nope, the Famous Jett Jackson was played by Lee Thompson Young http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Famous_Jett_Jackson --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 15:39, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
Which armies? Were they in this century? If not then it's irrelevant to the term "Modern". Most, if not all lever-action overall designs were prominent before the turn of the 20th century. No modern military uses lever-actions when they could just be using more modern semi-automatic weapons that operate on various methods (recoil/gas/etc).[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:56, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
==Find Makarov live action short film==
Identified most weapons in Find Makarov and Find Makarov: Operation Kingfish. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:19, 9 December 2014 (EST)
:Um, Russia was still using Winchesters right into WW1, and there's several modern designs like the Browning BLR. Most sniper rifles in military service are still manual actions (as opposed to marksman rifles, which are the semi-autos), they just tend to be bolt actions rather than lever or pump. Leverguns are just as common in military use as gas-operated rotating bolt pistols, $80,000 semi-auto rifles or off-axis blowback subguns (ie not), and more to the point, the setting of an invaded US means civilian weapons can be included within the setting. For example, you could have a level where you're a Marine who was on leave and only has his hunting rifle and his wits to make his way through enemy lines and assemble with his unit. Or given that such levels usually have a helper NPC, you're the Marine's kid who insisted on coming along to help fight the good fight. For bonus points, reveal halfway through the level that the kid is the Marine's daughter rather than his son; I'd pay good money to watch the forum fallout from that. "Kotick made me play as a GIRL! Now I have COOTIES!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:17, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
===Colt Anaconda===
Lieutenant General Shepherd (David Brandon George) uses a [[Colt Anaconda]] during the events of "Endgame" from ''Modern Warfare 2''.
:You do bring up a valid point, MW3 is based in an invasion US. Theoretically, they could add the civilian weapons for this reason, but CoD has always been a strictly military deal. But then again, MW2 involved an invasion US, and there were no civilian player-characters. Furthermore, "Russia was still using Winchesters right into WW1", this game is not in WW1 and warfare/technology has changed quite a lot since then. There is nothing modern about the BLR's design, save for some features that make it easier to use (Moving trigger/detachable magazine), and still... it's not used by -any- military, current or otherwise. Bolt action sniper rifles are just that, bolt action, not lever action, regardless I'm talking about service rifles/shotguns not high end sniper rifles. Lever-action weapons are not common in militaries of this century (21st) by any means. Lever actions should not be included in a modern military setting, year 2000 and beyond. There are no lever actions being used by any current formal military force as far as I'm aware, certainly not the ones we're talking about (NATO countries, Russians). They've got no place in modern warfare because the design has been outclassed by others, hence why they're not used. Even in Khyber pass bootleg weapons from Pakistan/Afghanistan, or South American countries, it'd be a stretch to see them using lever-actions... the design is -that- outdated.[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:56, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
===Colt MK IV Series 80===
What appears to be a [[Colt MK IV Series 80]] is slid by John Price (David Kinsman) to John "Soap" MacTavish (Michael Heathcote).
[[File:Series80blued.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Blued Colt MK IV Series 80 - .45 ACP]]
[[File:FindMakarov-M1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Price sliding the Colt.]]
[[File:FindMakarov-M1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soap aiming the pistol at Zakhaev.]]
::Again pointing out that no military has ever used or considered using the Desert Eagle either. Or the SPAS-12. Or the TDI Vector. Or the WA2000. CoD's weapon list has been in la-la land since we had German soldiers with StG-44s at Stalingrad in the first game and hasn't really come back since then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:00, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
===Heckler & Koch MP5SD3===
Soap (Michael Heathcote) uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5SD3]] during the obstacle course. However, the weapon fires as if it was not suppressed, as evidenced by the firing sound and the muzzle flash.
[[File:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP5SD3 with integrated sound suppressor - 9x19mm]]
[[File:FindMakarov-MP5SD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soap readying his MP5.]]
:For different reasons. No modern military uses lever-actions because they're outdated. Desert Eagle, should never have been in the game, not saying it shouldn't. It's not used because it's not practical. TDI Vector, it's not used because it's new and the benefits are negligeble. WA2000, it's a trophy weapon which has a price-tag of a BMW, obviously not a choice. SPAS-12, used by various militaries around the world (Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh), in addition to SWAT/SRT teams around the world. The weapons you listed are not used for various reasons, not for being antiquated technology. You can't deny that IW put the 1887 in because it was "badass" in the Terminator movie, that's the only reason. The STG44 thing doesn't bother me, seeing as it was used in WW2, though in limited numbers. However, the 1887 has no purpose in game or out. The Desert Eagle, has no purpose in real-life but it does serve a role in game (High Damage sidearm with low mag capacity). Thus, the Desert Eagle is tolerable, the 1887 is just pointless. Also, it's worthwhile to note that the section is titled "Winchester Model 1887", not "Weapons that shouldn't be in the game" thus I would focus on this weapon, rather than the others in the game that shouldn't be there in my opinion. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 12:53, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
===Heckler & Koch UMP45===
The [[Heckler & Koch UMP45]] is seen in the hands of Shadow Company soldiers. Soap (Michael Heathcote) also picks up one in the helicopter at the end.
[[File:FindMakarov-UMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The UMP in the helicopter.]]
==Barrett M107/M82 Error==
===AK variant===
The two Russian Ultranationalists accompanying Imran Zakhaev (Mic Boogie) are seen using [[AK-47|AK rifles]].
[[File:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Final Production version of the Type III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:FindMakarov-AK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The two soldiers with their AKs. Zakhaev in the center uses an unidentified gun, although in the actual events of ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare'' he used a [[Desert Eagle]].]]
It seems IW thinks that there's some sort of bolt/ejection port, being visible on the left side of the receiver of the M107. As far as I know, the left side is flat and the right hand side has the bolt mechanism. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's like this in MW2 and not in CoD4.
===M4A1 Carbine===
The [[M4A1 Carbine]] is used by John "Soap" MacTavish (Michael Heathcote) and Simon "Ghost" Riley (Cameron Rufelds), as well as several other team members.
[[File:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:M4A1EOT.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M4A1 SOPMOD with EOTech 552.A65 Holographic sight and SureFire M951XM05 tactical light - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:FindMakarov-M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ghost and another team member at the left with their M4A1s.]]
To clarify, it seems that IW has made the M107 receiver open on both sides, rather than just having the bolt handle on the right. Probably should be corrected, but can be lived with. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:57, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
===Steyr AUG===
One of the Shadow Company soldiers caries a [[Steyr AUG]].
[[File:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:FindMakarov-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier about to be knifed by Soap.]]
== Gunz ==
===Remington 870===
What appears to be a [[Remington 870]] is held by an S.A.S. soldier during Soap's briefing with Price.
[[File:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 with early style black synthetic riot foregrips and buttstock - 12 gauge]]
[[File:FindMakarov-R870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The second soldier from the left with his shotgun.]]
Is it just me or anyone else agrees that these guns are f#&king ugly? What did they do to that poor MP5A2? Not to mention the Winchester and the "AK-47". BTW the game will take place around 2012, yet the Russians will still use the "AK-47". Well, it is still better than them using U.S. guns, right? [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:26, 14 May 2011 (CDT)
==Find Makarov: Operation Kingfish==
===Colt M1911A1===
An [[M1911A1]] is seen on the table at the end of Soap's briefing with Lt Gen Shepherd (David Brandon George).
[[File:FMOK-M1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The unloaded M1911A1 with the slide pulled back, seen as Soap has stabbed Vladimir Makarov's picture in the eye.]]
How do you know the game will take place in 2012? If Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare took place in 2011, and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is 5 years later (2016), so how MW3, which is a direct sequel to MW2, taking place in 2012? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 05:39, 14 May 2011 (CDT)
===SIG-Sauer P226===
:Sorry, my bad, I thought COD4 was in 2007 since it was releases in that year. I knew that MW2 was 5 years later, thats why I wrote 2012. Anyways, that won't make the difference. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 06:32, 14 May 2011 (CDT)
John Price (David Kinsman) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] at the end. The P226 also appears to be the pistol previously used by John "Soap" MacTavish (Jon Morgan).
[[File:FMOK-P226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soap with the pistol in his left hand.]]
[[File:FMOK-P226.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Price pulls out his P226 after being wounded.]]
Again, Call of Duty was never meant to be a military simulator. If you want realism, look at the Battlefield series and ARMA series. Call of Duty has always been a playable action movie, that happens to be based in a real-world (First 1-3, Black Ops, WaW) or fictional (Modern Warfare) war.
===Heckler & Koch MP5A3===
Some [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] submachine guns are seen in the weapons cache during the briefing with Shepherd.
[[File:FMOK-MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP5s seen at the end of the briefing.]]
Russians have used AK variants since the late 1940's... that's over sixty years of use. What's so outlandish about them using it for another twenty? IW calls it an "AK-47" because that's what people identify as the general AK weapon pattern. It's a video game. How exactly is it better than them using US weapons? Many foreign nations use the AR platform, amongst other weapon systems designed in the United States. Hell, most of the United States' small arms are provided/designed by Fabrique Nationale, a Belgian company. As I said before, it's a "Call of Duty Universe", not an explicitly real world universe, IW has creative license to put whatever weapons in the hands of whatever faction they see fit.
===AK-47===
Like in the Modern Warfare series, Russian troops anachronistically use the [[AK-47]] instead of the [[AK-74M]].
[[File:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Final Production version of the Type III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:FMOK-AK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Russian soldiers running towards Price.]]
As for the weapons, they look fine to me. Some have been tacticalized, yes, but it makes them unique to the game and in specific cases like the 1887, it makes it more plausible for an almost 130 year old weapon to be included in a Modern setting used by people who have access to better designed shotguns. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:58, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
===AKS-47===
Some of the Russian soldiers carry [[AKS-47]] rifles rather than the more historically accurate [[AKS-74]].
[[File:AKS-47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type III AKS-47 with stock folded - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:FMOK-AKS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Russian soldier with his AKS-47; note the folded stock.]]
[[File:FMOK-AKS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AKS-47 dropped by a soldier blown up by Soap's M203 grenade launcher.]]
I am wondering why we don't see an 870 or a Mossberg in these games? It's weird as well that they would include a really old gun like the 1887 but none of the pump actions. And the SPAS-12 doesn't count because it's been overused in this series to death. I bet for the ACR's reload animation, they are not going to have the model press a button to release the bolt. Most likely they'll just reuse the AK reload animation and have the shooting hand reach over and rack the charging handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:17, 14 May 2011 (CDT)
===Colt Model 727 w/ M203 Grenade Launcher===
A [[Colt Model 727]] with an [[M203 grenade launcher]] is used by Soap (Jon Morgan). Judging by the large white logo on the magazine well, it is likely an airsoft replica.
[[File:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 727 with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56x45mm/40x46mm]]
[[File:FMOK-M727-M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soap about to engage Russian soldiers.]]
:For the sake of it, I do wish we could have a 870 or a Mossberg in-game, even if it was one of these "Starter" guns. I wouldn't care if it was "Tacticalized" or not, as long as it's there. I could somehow imagine in a perfect world following MW2 as an example, a Remington 870 MCS as a primary shotgun loaded with slugs and a Aimpoint Sight with the Bling Perk while using a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser that was "Tacticalized" as a secondary shotgun loaded with Buckshot. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 00:43, 15 May 2011 (CDT)
===FN SCAR-L===
Simon "Ghost" Riley (Keagan Wilson) uses an [[FN SCAR-L]].
[[File:FMOK-SCAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ghost checking the hallway.]]
Thank God they are bringing back a full size MP5. I am so sick of the MP5K. And what is up with the magazine on the M4? Is it supposed to be a 20 rounder or they messed up the design again? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:19, 14 May 2011 (CDT)
===Heckler & Koch G36C===
Gary "Roach" Sanderson (Dennis Allcock) uses a [[Heckler & Koch G36C]].
[[File:FMOK-G36C.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Roach advancing with his team.]]
:Amen to that! Though somewhere in the back of mind, I sometimes think they're gonna add the MP5K back in as some "other" weapon, maybe if they were to stick to MW2 styling, I could imagine it as a Machine Pistol alongside maybe the PP-2000 and TMP. Also, I can't escape the feeling that IW is gonna try and copy Treyarch in some way by trying to copy Black Op's example with the AK(S)-74U and attach a grenade launcher to it. It would be awesome all the same though. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 00:55, 15 May 2011 (CDT)
===M4A1 Carbine===
The [[M4A1 Carbine]] is used by Price (David Kinsman), Sandman (Ray Davids), and Derek "Frost" Westbrook (Justin Major).
[[File:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 SOPMOD with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic, Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:FMOK-M4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Price with his M4A1.]]
[[File:FMOK-M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frost firing his M4A1 while Soap is retreating with his M727/M203 combo.]]
Yeah, well at this point, I've just given up on reload animations in Call of Duty. I agree, I am stoked for the full sized MP5. As for the M4, no clue, could be to balance it somehow? But, these are probably early development screens, wouldn't put it on being concrete just yet. If a MW3 forum goes up, I'll see about getting a 30 round magazine back for the M4 as I did see the MW2 M4 in a few of the screens on the Kotaku locations video. Shotguns, yeah, 870 would be lovely but... I could care less, why use a shotgun when you've got 7.62x51
===Accuracy International Arctic Warfare===
When Soap hits the table and screams "Who is Kingfish?!" at the end, several rifles, along with an [[Accuracy International AW]] variant, are seen behind him.
[[File:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Accuracy International AW - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:FMOK-AW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Arctic Warfare is seen above the other rifles.]]
Seems like they're pretty covered on the shotgun front, except for a traditional 870 style. But, I am a bit worried regarding the LMG's. None shown. Banking on the M27 IAR. CoD4, M4 with Bandolier, Stopping Power, and Deep Impact on Hardcore was my impromptu IAR class, always loved the concept. Either way, would like to see the return of a M249 variant (Mk 46/Mk 48). [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:58, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
===Steyr HS .50===
Frost (Justin Major) uses a [[Steyr HS .50]] while wearing a Ghillie suit at the start.
[[File:FMOK-HS50-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frost zeroing the scope.]]
[[File:FMOK-HS50-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The HS .50 about to be fired.]]
[[File:FMOK-HS50-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frost fires the rifle.]]
:I had heard rumours that the M249 was reappearing as a "Possible" returning LMG. But I had also heard that somewhere, IW was going to make three variants of MG's featured in Multiplayer. Ranging from Light Support type weapons similar to "Black Ops", with 30 round magazines like the HK21 or RPK or just modified assault rifles with a bigger magazine, as well as other LMG's and SAW's like the M249, with GPMG's being the M240 or the M60 and finally mounted HMG's like the Browning M2 fixed into certain tactical positions.
===RPG-7===
The [[RPG-7]] is used by two Russian soldiers, one who shoots down an AC-130 (!) and one who wounds Soap.
[[File:FMOK-RPG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier about to fire the RPG, which is erroneously depicted with homing capabilities. The explosion seen at the right is that of a previously fired rocket that has been directed away by the AC-130's flares. Note also how, instead of having the appropriate PGO-7 scope, the launcher has an ACOG scope seemingly fixed with a tape.]]
Source? Wouldn't get my hopes up for ADDING any weapon classes, at least until I saw proof. IW tends to want to simplify things, not divide things up and add diversity. However, even if they put all of those types into the overall LMG category, would be wonderful. M27 IAR, Mk 46/48, RPD, PKM, MG3, M240L are my top choices.
===M203 grenade launcher===
Soap's Colt Model 727 is fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]].
[[File:FMOK-M727-M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soap about to fire the grenade launcher, but without touching the trigger.]]
However, sniper rifles are a subject of concern for me as well. MW2 including ONE bolt-action? This was a fatal flaw for me, the M40A3 was so much fun to use and the Cheytac kind of sucks. They've got a good lineup of sniper rifles here, RSASS, M107, EBR, but no bolt-action. RSASS is a good move because I've always wanted an SR-25 type weapon in CoD. They need a Russian sniper rifle of course and a few bolt actions (M40A5 or XM2010, Desert Tactical SRS (Bullpup bolt-action), and L115A3 would be all good choices). In addition, I've always wanted to see a Mk 12 SPR sniper rifle in CoD, something that did low damage but had a high magazine capacity. Would be great for Hardcore. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:58, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
===Browning M2HB===
Some [[Browning M2HB]]s can be seen in the weapons cache during the briefing with Shepherd.
[[File:FMOK-M2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2HB machine guns in front of Soap.]]
===M84 stun grenade===
After Roach detonates a breaching charge, Soap shouts "9-Bang out!", but he actually throws an [[M84 stun grenade]], not a Rheinmetall "9-Bang". Nevertheless, the grenade detonates multiple times like a 9-Bang, but six times instead of nine.
[[File:FMOK-StunGrenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M84 stun grenade being thrown by Soap.]]
very exciting looking at those leaked pics....and i gotta say its a nice line-up of guns so far...some old standard ones (M4, AK-47; M107) and some new ones i've never seen before like that KSG or the Magpul FMG (OMG the box gun from Robocop2!!!). Also i'm very glad to see the old 203 gone in favor for the newer M320! The AA-12 is cool but i didnt like it in MW2...it was just not that usefull because the boxmag so was spent within a second. the 20round drum mag would make so much more sence.
===Bofors 40mm===
I really hope they bring back the M249, preferebly as the Mk46 or even Mk48 and introduce some new Russian MG like the PKM with the Blackwater-Rail System.
The AC-130 is armed with a [[Bofors 40mm]] L/60 gun, a [[General Dynamics GAU-12/U]] and an M102 howitzer.
One question though: is the KSG something very special or simply a bullpup pump-action shotgun? [[User:WARthog|WARthog]] 07:20, 16 May 2011 (CDT)
[[File:40mm bofors.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Bofors 40mm L/60 AA gun in a Boffin mounting - 40×311mmR]]
[[File:FMOK-Bofors.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Bofors 40mm L/60 is between the two other guns.]]
Ugh, again with the sporterized AK's, dont suppose they actually look at what the Russians use.
[[File:FMOK-GAU12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The GAU-12/U at the front.]]
:The Russians have been looking at AK's with various rail systems. Take a look at the AK-200. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/05/27/ak-200-rifle-the-21st-century-ak/. Regardless, it's Call of Duty, not a simulator by any means. The AK in MW3 looks to be a step in the right direction over the airsoft-inspired replica in MW2. The KSG is a pump action shotgun which features the use of two tubes, doubling the capacity of a normal shotgun in this configuration and gives the operator the ability to switch tube magazines once one is expended (Due to magazine capacity laws). But in practice, it features a 14+1 magazine capacity, which is astounding when compared to normally configured shotguns like Remington 870's. Also, it features a twelve and I believe six o'clock rail for mounting of accessories. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:58, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
===M102 105mm Howitzer===
[[File:Spectre M102.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Modified M102 howitzer as mounted on AC-130-series gunships - 105x372mm R]]
[[File:FMOK-Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M102 howitzer at the rear.]]
:If it's got a six o'clock rail, does that mean we'll be able to stick a Masterkey on it and have a shotgun with a back-up shotgun? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:59, 19 May 2011 (CDT)
== Unknown grenade ==
The KSG is a pump-action shotgun. If you did put an underbarrel-type shotgun on it, then you wouldn't have enough room to pull the pump back enough to eject a shell. Besides, that would be unnecessary and impractical. The KSG had two magazine tubes, so if you needed a breaching round, beanbag round, or etc. instead of buckshot, then you could just switch the feed over to swap from lethal to nonlethal. A question about the MP5, what differences are there between the Navy and A2 model? Other than the lower receiver being metal with a new trigger group instead of synthetic with a German fire selector layout. The MP5 in MW3 looks like a Navy model but I'm guessing there's a reason someone changed it to A2. Just wondering if I was wrong. And how do I automatically leave a sig at the end of my messages? xD new to the site. -
Any idea what this is?
:You use the masterkey as the pump, silly. It's genius! (Or rather, it's no less silly than some of the things the series ''has'' done in the past). Leaving a sig is four tildes (~) in a row. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:27, 19 May 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:But if you used the masterkey then it would take up all the ro- oh I see what you did there. And thanks for the sig help. [[User:Scutshakes|Scutshakes]] 01:34, 19 May 2011 (CDT)
It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:Plus, any under-barrel attachments have been confined to the Assault Rifle class, and more recently, the AK74su "SMG" in Black Ops, which in real life... is still an Assault Rifle. Shotguns have no precedent in CoD for having under-barrel attachments of any sort. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:58, 21 May 2011 (CDT)
== Desert Eagle ==
Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!
:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]
::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
== Mk 14 ==
So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)
... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)
:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)
== Since it's locked... ==
Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?
"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."
Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)
How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)
Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?
:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)
::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.
[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]
Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)
== M4A1 ==
A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.
[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]
[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]
The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]
:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)
[[Image:Colt_Law_Enforcement_Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine looks like a used in the game - 5.56x45mm.]]
:Not quite, this thing doesn't have a continuous top rail, there's a gap between the handguard and upper. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:37, 8 December 2013 (EST)
::Yes, you're right. Here's another resembling version.
[[Image:Colt_6720_Lightweight_Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt LE 6720 Lightweight 16 Carbine - 5.56x45mm.]]
M4A1 model in the game seems to be drawn from these two versions.
I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)
:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.
:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)
So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)
:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:
:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)
::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Just want to note that the suppressed USP with tactical knife in "Eye of the Storm" is also identified by name as a Tactical. It may be a side effect of the naming scheme in-game rather than actually referring to the real-world model, though; "Stronghold" gives the player a suppressed P99 with tactical knife that is also identified as "P99 Tactical". [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 13:03, 1 August 2012 (CDT)
== "MG36" ==
This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)
The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)
The "MG36" is fitted with iron sights from the MP7 model, except they're actually raised when not equipped with an optic attachment. Just sayin'. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 12:56, 10 March 2018 (EST)
==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)
I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)
During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)
== More guns ==
In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)
Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)
:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)
== Type-95 is a 97 ==
When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)
==Soap's P99==
I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring
:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)
On the topic of the P99, I want to say it's the 9mm version with the capacity of the .40 version, but I'm not sure - the is ''shaped'' like the .40 version, but the textures look like they're trying to imitate the indentations of the 9mm slide. My guess is either they thought the 9mm version would be more recognizable but got lazy about it, or the models and textures were made by different people who weren't on the same page as to what exact gun they were trying to make. What do you think? [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 20:02, 25 December 2012 (EST)
== MP7 Mag ==
I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)
I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)
:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)
== Always Wondered ==
Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)
I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.
:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)
Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)
::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)
::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)
:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)
::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)
:::::(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing Call of Duty?! It's an unrealistic portrayal of firearms, now get back on the computer and play more America's Army!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, IMFDB does *not* condone child abuse) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:50, 26 February 2012 (CST)
::::::(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing America's Army?! The son of a Marine would never play this game, now get back on the computer and check if [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Days_in_Fallujah Six Days in Fallujah] is already out!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, Marines and Soldiers are known for not liking being indistinguished) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:46, 27 February 2012 (CST)
:::::::When did I indistinguish Soldiers and Marines? And sadly I doubt we'll be seeing Six Days on shelves any time soon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:24, 27 February 2012 (CST)
::::::::I didn't really comment in regards to that post, just needed something, for comedic purposes :)
::::::::And indeed, the lack of any progress on game since 2010 is disappointing :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:17, 27 February 2012 (CST)
:::::::::Believe me, I've been looking forward to Six Days for a while. The game is supposedly finished and ready to ship, but no publisher seems to have the balls to distribute it. It could become the ''Thrill Kill'' of shooter games (i.e., the "best fighting game you've never played", as it's so frequently referred to as). Funny how almost all of the criticism for it (as well as Medal of Honor 2010) came mostly from foreign entities. Yeah, the British and the Danish "disagree" with two games that revolve around the ''US'' military, but no one over there seems to have any problems with the SAS-starring Modern Warfare series. Kind of bizarre how that works out, huh? ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:51, 27 February 2012 (CST)
::::::::::Medal of Honor was banned from selling in US Military Bases, wasn't it? But yes, the highly vocal boycotting of these 2 games, and not CoD: MWs, by British is really suspicious and looks more like propaganda stuff...
::::::::::Should Atomic Games have gone indie with the game, the lack of publisher wouldn't be an obstacle :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:18, 28 February 2012 (CST)
:::::::::::I thought all the shit with Medal of Honor was because it let people play as a faction explicitly named as the Taliban until EA caved under pressure and changed it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 04:22, 28 February 2012 (CST)
::::::::::::That was the seed that the criticism tree sprouted from, yes. I still think it's just the fact that the US military takes center stage in them instead of second fiddle like in CoD, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:38, 20 July 2012 (CDT)
== UMP.45 Manufacturer ==
Did anyone else notice that while MW2's UMP was manufactured by Heckler & Koch in Sterling, Virginia, MW3's model was made by the infamous "Gunnery Gun Co."? Just putting it out there, in the event that an admin wants to add some smarmy remark (Best damn parts of the article...)
:Which is totally inaccurate, since everyone knows UMPs are made by Pooder & Chernoosky like the G36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:58, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Really? I could've swore the UMP and the G36 came from Hitler & Krotch in Nazi-Land, Europe.
== Overkill perk icon ==
Since the ''Call of Duty 4'' and ''World at War'' pages refer to the weapons present in their Overkill icons, I figure we should do so for this game as well. [http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120120134554/callofduty/images/1/1e/Overkill_perk_MW3.png What's this look like to you guys?] My best guess is some form of AK without a magazine, though since there doesn't seem to be a release lever, I'd rather have someone else look at it to make sure. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 17:48, 12 May 2012 (CDT)
It really is impossible to tell for sure. It's just to vague. There are no markings whatsoever. [[User:Barrett50|Barrett50]] 15:05, 6 August 2012
== FAD three round burst ==
Unless I'm somehow doing something really wrong, I'm pretty sure the FAD doesn't have a three round burst when the fire button is tapped. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]]
:<strike>If there even is a three-round burst on the gun, it could just be a multiplayer thing - I didn't get it to do that either, but I only tested the SP version.</strike> Alright, apparently Survival mode uses the multiplayer versions of guns. It still was not firing in bursts when I tapped the trigger. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 16:34, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
==M249==
can a mod add this? well at least phrase it in?
the configuration that this m249 have, doen't make it an FN minimi? which the M249 based on, and when clicked, redirected to Fn minimi.
: [[Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_3#M249_Para_SAW]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:40, 28 June 2012 (CDT)
== Special Ops/Survival weapons stats + Beretta 92SB in campaign ==
At the start of the pages it says that "Special Ops mode and Survival use the singleplayer weapon stats and abilities unless otherwise noted". Actually it's only the case for the Special Ops mode, while the Survival mode uses the multiplayer weapons stats and abilities, the exceptions being the weapons bought from the "equipment" armory (such as the riot shield, C4, grenades, etc.)
Also, information about the Beretta 92SB (called M9 in-game) from MW1 and MW2 should be added, as this handgun can rarely be found in the mission "Goalpost" (you can see that in some videos in youtube)--[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] 14:15, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
:The reference to sniper rifles having dual sights shouldn't really be there, either - that's a one-time thing on the RSASS from "Eye of the Storm" and doesn't show up anywhere else. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 17:38, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
== Beretta 92SB ==
It is useable in the mission "Goalpost". Delta Force operators will draw the 92SB after running out of ammo with their primary weapon. Dead operators will sometimes drop the Beretta. It is a recycled MW2 M9, and uses the same firing sound. - [[User:1morey]] August 6, 2012 5:30 PM (EST)
:I'll take a look and get a shot if I can find one. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:19, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
::Maybe it will be hard to find one in Goalpost, so if you can't take screenshots of it in this level, we can still add another point: in the downloadable special ops mission "Special Delivery", the wounded soldier at the end holds a 92SB. Also, maybe we should add info about the new "Starstreak" launcher in the FIM-92A Stinger section (the Starstreak weapon uses the same model as the Stinger) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] 14:30, 18 August 2012 (CDT)
[http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/1/17/M9_Goalpost_MW3.jpg Here's a shot].[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 18:35, 12 February 2013 (EST)
:Heh, I uploaded that one. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
== M16A4 with optics ==
The M16A4 still has the front sight/gas block removed when aftermarket optics are added, just like in the last two games. Figured that'd be worth a mention. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 22:03, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
:I just took another look; you can see a low-profile gas block on the M4 when reloading the M203, but the M16 player model is too long to really tell if there's something there or not. I'll take a look at one on the ground later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:30, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
::Took a look at it myself while testing out the Terminal port from ''MW2'' in Survival. No front sight as usual with alternate optics, but at the same time [http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/1/10/Weapon_m16a4_large.png the Create-a-Class image for the gun] seems to have the front sight ''within'' the handguard, so there could be a low-profile gas block within it. That or whoever made the Create-a-Class image doesn't know AR-15's. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:41, 28 August 2012 (CDT)
:::Well, ''that's'' sad. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:05, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
::::I'd say that's pretty much certain since the fire selector is set to "look I just broke the fire selector." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:39, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
:::::That's the most dangerous and efficient firing mode ever fielded to the operators. It always takes 'the enemy' by surprise.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 03:28, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
Replayed Act 1, found some more tidbits about the M16 and a few guns:
1.) The M16A4 effectively replaces the M4A1 as the standard weapon of US forces in "Goalpost" after Rhino Two-One is knocked out in the parking garage. This is pretty much its only consistent appearance in Campaign mode.
2.) NPC allies equipped with the M16A4 in "Goalpost" seem to have working fire selectors: I saw one guy fire single shots at one point and then fire bursts five minutes later.
3.) I ''think'' I saw an ally in "Goalpost" pull out a Beretta 92SB, but I'm not 100% sure since he didn't actually fire it and switched back to his rifle before I could get a clear close-up look.
4.) Sergeant Wallcroft and a few of the other SAS men in "Mind the Gap" have [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:MW3-MP7Holster.jpg an MP7A1 with 20-round magazine in their sidearm holsters], rather than the USP Tactical the player and most of the other SAS have. This seems to be the sole appearance of the MP7 in Campaign. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 21:27, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
:I've figured out what makes allies pull their sidearms but it's going to be a pain to actually make it happen deliberately; they have to fire their last shot from their main weapon away from cover (otherwise they reload) and without killing whoever they were firing at. And without dying, which is what usually happens when they're in such a position. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:50, 17 January 2013 (EST)
::Well, [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:MW3-Beretta.jpg I managed it.] And also, since I apparently refuse to let this topic drift away from the M16A4, [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:MW3-M16MW2.jpg I found this too]: equip the M203 on an M16A4 with it in singleplayer and the whole thing will switch to the ''MW2'' model. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
:::Does that happen in every level, or just that one? The reason I ask is that Goalpost is the one with the different Mk 14 player model, so it's rather likely it's yet another placeholder. I'll have to go back through to get 16:9 caps of those two anyway.
:::I swear this is some horrible conspiracy to make everyone play the worst level in the entire game over and over. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:27, 11 February 2013 (EST)
::::I'm pretty sure it's just this level, considering the M16A4 is generally only available in one mission per game in this series. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
== QBZ-97 3-round burst ==
In the "QBZ-97" section it is stated that the 3-round burst mode is incorrect for this weapon. This fire mode is actually available on the QBZ-97A variant (an improved export model of the QBZ-97), so probably this is the variant featured in-game (if it is not, someone should still mention in the page that the 3-rd burst exists for the QBZ-97A variant) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:00, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
== "AK-47" Furniture ==
I might be somewhat late for the party, but if it is worth noting, I'd say that AK is fitted with a handguard similar to Midwest Industries' one (with rail covers) and its scope mount resembles Belarusian PB-02.
== Is the AA-12 the full scale version? ==
The create-a-class image has a shorter barrel and I know you can get a short-barrelled version. Can someone compare the picture on the page with the c-a-c image and see if it's still right.
Since the MW3 page can't be edited, I thought I would point out a minor thing; in a caption to one of the P90 pictures pointing out the "dual scope" attachment, it states that it is multiplayer-only; however, this isn't correct, because the attachment is featured in at least one mission in the campaign (the opening mission). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] ([[User talk:Dirty Harold|talk]]) 15:40, 24 December 2012 (EST)
:No it can't, you're thinking of the hybrid scope. The HAMR scope is never available in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:06, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Harold is right. I've used it in at least two of the single player missions. It's hard to mix up the HAMR with the hybrid since the former only works on SMG's in the game and the latter is for Assault Rifles/Carbines along with the fact that they look completely different. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 11:56, 25 December 2012 (EST)
:Could you tell me in which missions the HAMR appears, then? The P90 picture says the ''HAMR'' duel optic isn't in any of the missions, I know very well the Hybrid Scope is since I have pictures of it on this page in the first level and "Scorched Earth." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:12, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I know for sure you can use it in the first level. I can't remember the name of it but it is in the level where you're in India and you have to escort Soap to the Little Bird and you're playing as Yuri. Those are the only ones I can remember it in. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 13:06, 26 December 2012 (EST)
:I've never seen it in the first level, and I'm fairly sure there aren't even any SMGs in Persona Non Grata, let alone ones with HAMR Scopes. I really think you're just mis-remembering this. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:21, 26 December 2012 (EST)
::Eh, I may very well have been. It's been awhile since I played through the campaign. But Puppet claims to have seen it, now; I don't know. At any rate, feel free to disregard this now... blame it on my senility. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] ([[User talk:Dirty Harold|talk]]) 18:43, 26 December 2012 (EST)
Well I know I'm not mis-remembering because I've used them and played the single player more times than I can count. And there are SMG's in Persona Non Grata(Thank you by the way for saying what the mission was called) because I've picked up quite a few P90's while working my way through the mission. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 19:29, 26 December 2012 (EST)
:I'm not saying I don't believe you (well, ok, I am) but I've played through those levels plenty of times too and I've never seen the HAMR outside multiplayer. Could you get a screenshot? Even a photo of a TV screen is fine, but obviously it's much easier for you to prove it is there than for me to show you a picture of something that isn't in the picture. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:18, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Understandable. I'll see what I can do. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 12:26, 29 December 2012 (EST)
If this hasn't already been settled yet, I just replayed the first three levels in search of a HAMR scope, and from what I've seen it appears that Evil Tim is right on both counts - there are no SMGs at all in Persona Non Grata (they could be dropped by allies for all I know, but this time through it seemed every one of them had a PKP), and the ones available in Black Tuesday and Hunter Killer do not have HAMR scopes. ACOGs, red dots, and holographics, yes, but no HAMRs. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 21:41, 14 January 2013 (EST)
Sorry it took so long but I have a screenshot of a P90 in the mission "Persona Non Grata" but I have no idea how to add it. I'm still looking for a P90 with a HAMR sight in the game, but so far no luck. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 12:35, 17 January 2013 (EST)
:Do like I did for that MP7 image above: upload it and link to it here on the talk page. Even if nobody puts it on the actual page, at least you have proof. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
==AT4==
The AT4 is available in Persona non Grata but cannot be seen without noclip. Anyone want to take a shot?
*[http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/AT4#Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_3 section on COD wiki.]
[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 18:38, 12 February 2013 (EST)
== Got to laugh ==
You've got to laugh at some of the captions on the MW3 page. You'd actually think this was real-world and not a game. It isn't real life and is bound to make a few mistakes!! --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] ([[User talk:Ritch|talk]]) 01:49, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
:I've gotta laugh at you for expecting a website dedicated to the portrayal of firearms in media to ''not'' point out the mountains of ridiculous mistakes that IW and Treyarch make time after time after time after time in these games. The constant screw ups are what actually turned me off to this game series. You might find the CoD wiki is a better community for you. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:27, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
:You reckon it might be a better community for me? Oh well, thanks for the suggestion. I think I'll stick around here seeing as I am entitled to my opinion and I'm not a fan of the game. I came to this page for information and just said what I found. --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] ([[User talk:Ritch|talk]]) 12:16, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
::You came to the page for information and are objecting that there is too much? With any piece of media if there are glaring errors with how a particular gun is portrayed (for example films with pump action noise on a double barrelled shotgun, safety catch talk for a Glock, stuff like that) there is not problem with mentioning it. With games like this that are played by a wide audience who are not necessarily knowledgeable about firearms, they can lead to a lot of misinformation about certain guns, and if we can help prevent that then I don't see the issue with pointing out the mistakes and inaccuracies that were made. What captions in particular do you think are over the top nit-picky? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:15, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
::The fact that it makes mistakes is not a good reason to ignore them. Nothing wrong with the captions here, I should know because I wrote them. Also, the statement "you are entitled to your opinion" means people will not come around your house with tyre irons and beat it out of you, it does ''not'' mean that ''we'' are entitled to your opinion, or that your opinion is automatically considered worthwhile, logically justified or factual. Lose the attitude, please. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:41, 14 April 2013 (EDT)
== RPD ==
The [http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/c/ce/Africa_militiaman_holding_the_RPD_Return_to_Sender_MW3.png RPD Model from COD4] appears in a cutscene for the mission Return to Sender.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 18:32, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
I uploaded the image, but it appears the page is locked so that only admins can edit it.
[[File:Modwar3RPD.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 10:52, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
:Yeah, I uploaded my own a little after anyway, it's up there now. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:45, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
==Changing Minebea M-9 image==
I made a change on the Minebea M-9 image to make it consistent so that the filenames consist of "File:Minebea M-9 submachine gun (New).jpg" and "File:Minebea M-9 (old).jpg". I can't change it since the page is locked. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 00:40, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
== FN SCAR-L ==
Perhaps it just seems to me, but the first generation of the FN SCAR-L is much larger in appearance resembles a model represented in the game?
[[Image:Scar l-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|First Generation FN SCAR-L with M68 Aimpoint scope and Grippod foregrip - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
:Wouldn't have surprised me if it were the case (games like this seem to be in some bizarre time-loop where everything in current military use has been replaced, but solely by prototypes and concept mock-ups of 5+-year-old guns), but the [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:SCAR-L_3rd_person_MW3.png third-person model] and [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:SCAR-L_menu_icon_MW3.png Create-a-Class icon] indicate it's third-gen. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 02:17, 22 February 2014 (EST)
== ACR ==
The ACR 6.8 in-game as a longer barrel than the military Remington ACR (as seen [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:ACR_6.8_Red_Dot_Sight_Third_Person_MW3.png here] and [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:Russian_Commando_firing_ACR_6.8_MW3.png here], though I'm not sure if this also applies to the 1st person model). Should this make it the civilian Bushmaster variant? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:54, 6 January 2015 (EST)
:It looks like it's the 14.5 on the in-game model ([http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:ACR_6.8_Cocking_MW3.png this] doesn't look as long as the one on the third person model), but we've got some pictures of Remington ACRs with 16 inch barrels on [[Talk:Bushmaster ACR]], so I don't think it would mean it's a different model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:04, 6 January 2015 (EST)
::Eh, right, I forgot about the 16.5 barrel. But what specific components allow us to to differentiate between the Remington and Bushmaster ACR? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:45, 6 January 2015 (EST)
:::Well, aside from the giant Remington logo that's a but of a giveaway as to which version it's supposed to be, I think the handguard with bigger vents is only on the Remington ACR. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:01, 6 January 2015 (EST)
::::Yeah, regarding the handguard, that was in my mind, thanks for clarifying. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:29, 6 January 2015 (EST)
== Regarding the Colt Anaconda ==
It can actually be used in singleplayer, in the mission "Bag and Drag", though it is extremely rare (just like the Beretta 92SB in Goalpost) since it can only be obtained from the allied GIGN if they get into CQC fights with the enemies. I can post a couple of screencaps if someone wants proof, but they're unusable on the main page since they're taken off the TV and I don't have the game on PC. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:00, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
:I always thought that the only way they ever got those out was if they emptied their primary weapon at an enemy without killing them, they'd transition to their pistol rather than doing their reloading animation for their rifle. I've never got one of the guys in Goalpost to pull his sidearm and I finally got tired of it since it's the most boring level in the franchise, but I might give bag and drag a go to see if I can find one. Crap screenshot would be ok here on the talk page just to confirm it happens, I'll add it to the article then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:38, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
::I wouldn't really recommend you to try checking it, since finding these two handguns is a freakin' pain in the ass :P Anyway, allies do usually draw their handguns after emptying their primary weapon in the middle of a gunfight, but this didn't work for me in Bag and Drag, and neither did it in Goalpost, as they kept on stupidly reloading their primaries in front of the enemy. It's by pure luck that I managed to get akimbo 92SBs in the latter, from an ally's body (regarding this pistol you can find YouTube videos showing it in the mission). Anyway, here you go:
::[[File:MW3-Magnum.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The solider on the right is Sabre, who got into a hand-to-hand fight with an enemy and finished him off with his Colt Anaconda.]]
::In this playthrough, I got the Colt Anaconda from Tueur, another GIGN soldier who usually gets killed in this mission (unlike Sabre and Faucon). He got into a CQC fight and drew his revolver, but lost against his opponent. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:49, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
:::Another fine example of Infinity Ward's realistic choices in weapons. Kinda glad they gave up and moved to sci-fi crap. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 14:18, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
::::Unlike most YouTubers :P --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:51, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::Doesn't GIGN actually use revolvers? (A few seconds later) Yes they [http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/meet-frances-elite-revolver-toting-counter-terrorism-un-1678793691 do!]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:24, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::Reason being that they're easier to use in front of riot shield, I wish Montagne could do that in Rainbow 6.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:13, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Seemed like Mr Wolf didn't know that they use revolvers, that's why i linked to that article.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:46, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::They don't use Anacondas though, so the point still stands. That is like justifying a Navy SEAL carrying a Desert Eagle by saying that they use SIGs. As for why they use revolvers still, although the shield thing is debatable true, it is not really the reason. They just historically preferred the .357 cartridge and the reliability and simplicity of a revolver as a CQB weapon. They are used by GIGN more widely than just shield carriers. In fact, I believe that they have started to use Glocks with a 33 magazine with a shield due to it being so hard to reload (they may also carry their MR-73 still as a secondary weapon). S&W made a revolver which they tried to market for police use with a shield (M&P R8) but I have never heard of anyone using it in this capacity. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:36, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::The difference between an Anaconda and whatever revolvers the GIGN use is not nearly as big as the difference between a SIG and a damn Desert Eagle. But why waste time arguing about this anyway...--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:48, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::They are two weapons of very different size and weight, firing a different cartridge, one of which is a serious military/police weapon whilst the other is a novelty/niche hunting weapon. Doesn't seem that far off to me. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:56, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::::I wasn't saying it was unrealistic for the GIGN to use revolvers, just the Colt Anaconda specifically. It's pretty cool that they still use .357 revolvers. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:54, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
== Winchester Model 1887 ==
[http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/02/07/chiappa-t-series-1887-shotgun-pistol/ Another attempt] of replicating video games stuff. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:01, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
:It's name implies it's suppose to be Terminator 2 inspired. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:24, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
== Fictional Drone is not so fictional... ==
According to Howe Technologies Ripsaw MS2. At least according to www.igcd.net --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:50, 2 December 2016 (EST)
:You realise a Ripsaw is like six or seven feet tall, right? Also the tracks and running gear are completely wrong for a Ripsaw.[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:23, 2 December 2016 (EST)
::There are some similarities in general shape, but at the most this is only vaguely based on a Ripsaw. If you compare [http://img.scout.com/sites/default/files/styles/primary_image/public/2016/04/19/ripsaw-army-test.png this] to [http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty/images/c/c2/UVG_MW3.png/revision/latest?cb=20121013175636 this] there are a lot of differences. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:38, 2 December 2016 (EST)
Immediatly after I seen that on igcd i put here, so well, thanks commando... and Evil Tim I never seen a Ripsaw in my life before commando552 showed.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 14:57, 2 December 2016 (EST)
On another note, the PP-90M1 section incorrectly has "9x18mm" in the caption, whereas it's actually chambered in 9x19mm. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:56, 15 January 2017 (EST)
== "Starstreak" launcher in Spec Ops ==
Should we add it. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 05:24, 28 February 2017 (EST)
:It is a made up launcher based on the Stinger model, so have just added a note for it in that section. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:05, 28 February 2017 (EST)
== Some caption notes ==
Two additions I can think of:
1.) In the last screenshot from the RSASS section: while the production Mi-28N showing up in 1996 is an anachronism, it might be worth noting that those still at least actually showed up in the original CoD4 level - the RSASS's leaning on a crate weren't there the first time around.
2.) In the section for the GP-30: this is more of a nitpick, but I'm not sure I like picking on Bad Company specifically for loading an incorrect M203 grenade into a GP-series launcher, as if it was the first game to do so and/or the reason everyone else does it, when Call of Duty was doing it first (November 2007 for CoD4 vs June 2008 for Bad Company). [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 19:23, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
: On that second one, TBH, I think you're reading a bit too much into it (one link is 'picking on' said game?). That said, we make notes like that all over the site, I don't see a real issue. I certainly see no reason to replace it with a note about CoD4, if that's what you're asking. I'd suggest removing it entirely before that, but I don't think that necessary either. As for the first, I'm not quite sure what you're going for there.. I suppose a reference to the previous game wouldn't hurt but again I don't necessarily see the need for it either. All-told, for your complaint about the page supposedly poking at one game it sounds like you're wanting it to instead poke at CoD4, which well, I just don't see as actually adding anything to the page itself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:20, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
::The first suggestion is just going along with the "time travel" joke that's already there - Zakhaev not only has multiple units of a helicopter at a point in time where even its prototype hadn't ever flown yet, but now he also has sniper rifles that not only didn't exist at that point in time, but also ''were not there'' the first time we were made privy to the events of that day. As for the second, I'm not complaining that we're calling out ''Bad Company'' for making the same mistake, because there's no doubt that it did - my issue is that the wording in the caption suggests that it was the first and/or only other game to ever do that, when as I demonstrated above that is clearly not the case. I wouldn't disagree to keeping the link to ''Bad Company'' there alongside one to ''Call of Duty 4'' if we change it, but still, CoD4 would be a more accurate and reasonable comparison because A) it made the same mistake half a year before ''Bad Company'' was even released, and B) it's actually in the same series and at least at some point in time had most of the same developers as ''Modern Warfare 3''. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 23:54, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
:::: I gotcha now. Most of that sounds fair enough. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 03:05, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
:::On a side note, the Mi-28 was developed in the 1980s and the Mi-28N prototype was first flown in November of 1996 (at least according to Wikipedia), so I don't think it's as anachronistic as whoever stated that originally. --[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 01:29, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
::::Well, from the CoD wiki, the mission in which the Havoc is seen takes place in winter 1996, so depending when that season is, it mightn't be as erroneous as some people believe it to be. (Link: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/All_Ghillied_Up) -Ft763
:::::Talking about the Mi-28 Havoc here, not the Mi-24 Hind. For some reason, all the Hinds are replaced with Havocs in "One Shot, One Kill" mission that comes after "All Ghillied Up."--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:22, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Fixed it. -Ft763
A couple of additional notes: previously, the site's M60E4 image was incorrectly named M60E3. I renamed it, so can someone of the admins please make the appropriate change in the M60E4 section? (as well as delete the old "M60E3.jpg" redirect). Also, the AWM section lists some incorrect things;
in reality both the AW and AWM can have either folding or non-folding stocks, and it wouldn't have been correct to call the in-game weapon "L115A1" (could have been simply called "AWM" or something), because according to what is stated on Ghosts page the real L115A1 has a non-folding stock. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:14, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
:Oh and another fun fact: the in-game SCAR-L only has 1-S selector markings, just like the civilian SCAR 16S. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:48, 23 February 2019 (EST)
== The page is locked from edits, so I can't add screenshots ==
I'd like to add a few pictures or info about the MW3 guns, but whoever locked the page was angry that day and never unlocked it back. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 05:20, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
[[Image:MW3_SP_M60E4_grip.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60E4 (which is actually an M60E3) in single player has a grip attached. It is gray because no camo or base color is applied, and the player never touches it. It is also different from the multiplayer grip.]]
[[Image:MW3_SP_M16A4_M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M16A4 with an M203 in single player.]]
[[Image:MW3_SP_M16A4_M203_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the M203 is selected, it instantly morphs into an MW2 model. This has to be seen to be believed.]]
:It's locked to prevent vandalism and / or addition of 4:3 aspect ratio images. I'll have to redownload it and get those in the right aspect ratio when it's done. Yaaaay, I get to play Hamburg again, it's only one of the worst levels in the series. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:49, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::The "worst level in the series" honor definitely goes to Ghosts' Sin City. Also yeah, von CAHEK, keep in mind that some games have horrible-looking images when taken in 4:3 aspect ratio; notice how your second screenshot is vertically stretched. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:48, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:::@Ultimate94ninja, my screenshots aren't stretched, note the crosshair is perfectly square, unlike some shots on Black Ops page. I play with a FOV changer, because, bloody hell, it's a PC! The default fov 65 is downright horrible and my eyes start bleeding after half an hour of playing. CoD:Ghosts was a pain due to their zero-policy to fov changers. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
:::I dunno, Hamburg is certainly the laziest, since it's basically three wide right-angled corridors filled with random junk with cutscenes between them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:33, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::::I can try to retake those screenshots in 1280x720, if you want. What am I supposed to tell my FoV Changer then, "106"? And yeah, SCREW the goddamn Hamburg mission. That "storm the beach" moment was teeth-grinding at Veteran, as well as the uselessness of a single SMAW round, it doesn't one-shot the tank anyway. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 12:36, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
:::::It's ok, I've got it reinstalled now, I'll get the shots tomorrow in 1920x1080 like the rest on the page. :) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:03, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
::::::Very well, because for some reason, my game is horribly stretched when set to widescreen resolution. "Image quality" option used to fix that, but it doesn't now. Also, the FOV changer doesn't allow value higher than 100. Good luck in Hamburg, lol [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, Hamburg is by far and away the worst. Moving up those streets where you get shot from tons of people you can't even see was a huge buzzkill. It makes me wonder how I was able to play that campaign on repeat when I was younger.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 09:52, 1 October 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
:Yeah, and I'm still baffled by them giving you a SMAW with 1 shot as your second starting weapon, what the hell is it even supposed to be for? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:18, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::I think you could optionally destroy one of the tanks at the start of the level, but you were 10 times more likely to be killed while doing so, and it would later be destroyed either way. And yeah, I agree that it's the laziest level, but I mentioned Sin City as the worst due to horrible 8-year old kids style writing (like the rest of the Ghosts campaign), as well as Hesh saying "Logan, pick up Riley! Logan, pick up Riley! Logan, pick up Riley!" literally every 5 seconds and I was like SHUT THE FUCK UP I'M SHOOTING HUNDREDS OF INCOMING FEDERATION DUDES I DON'T HAVE FOUR ARMS. And this is before we start to consider the fact that despite this, he pretty much wrote off [spoiler]'s death like it's nothing. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:04, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:::Oh yeah, I love how awful the writing in Ghosts was, they even did the whole "they killed all the bad dudes BUT THEY LEFT ONE ALIVE TO TELL HIS COMRADES" thing which was bought up in ''Band of Brothers'' as a ''joke''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 11:09, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
I haven't played the Ghosts campaign in a thousand years, so I don't remember much of that level. Was that the one when your in the mall with an escalator for a bit? 'Cause I do remember hating that one--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 12:23, 1 October 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
:No, Sin City's the one where you're in a disused ''Spec Ops: The Line'' set in Vegas and you have to...I don't know, that pyramid that's in Vegas turns up at some point. Mainly known for an incredibly hard QTE on Veteran that a lot of people thought was outright broken when the game came out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 12:42, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::All jokes aside, yeah it's the one that involves the mall and escalators, you start in the casino. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:47, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:::Still, it was all worth it for shooting a smiley face into that monitor in Federation Day and then trying to breathe as the deadly serious cutscene played out. And I though when he was talking about the mall and escalators he meant the one where you have the grenade launcher and deadly 50 cal SVD, then I belated remembered that's a stadium. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:57, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
== Please move cut weapons to the talk page ==
The TDI Vector is a weapon cut from the final game. Please move it to the talk page because it does not merit an appearance on the main page because it did not formally appear in-game. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 22:12, 25 July 2018 (EDT)
:Eh, we have weapons in trailers and pre-release materials too if we know what they are, it's only leaks we don't put up. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:27, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
::I would personally argue that trailers and pre-release materials are not a part of the game proper, and weapons only appearing in them thus do not constitute weapons that appear in-game, and therefore should not be on the page. I personally believe that they should be on the talk page, but not on the main page. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 09:21, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
:::Well I think it's more a question of if someone might question what they are and if we know. Mostly they're holdovers from when all we had was trailers, and I don't really see the point of removing this information from a page when the game comes out. I mean, we also have behind-the-scenes images on movie pages, they don't appear in the movie. The trailer up there is a special case in that isn't part of the game and never was ''and'' has far too many weapons to just put it on the main page (we do that for live-action trailers that only have one or two guns in them like the one for FEAR 3). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:22, 27 July 2018 (EDT)
== Striker variant ==
The in-game Striker variant is a Sentinel Arms Striker-12 because it features the unique drum advancing thumb tab found only on that variant. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 02:04, 20 October 2018 (EDT)
Despite the identification as a G36K-based mockup of the MG36, this in-game rail looks nothing like any of the G36 rails that we have images of right now, not even that of the reference image. It doesn't even look like the G36C rails in the same game. Does anybody have any idea what rail this is?
[[Image:MW3-G36-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|G36C rails for comparison.]] --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 01:27, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Might be based on the ones used by some of the Airsoft G36s made by Evike, [https://www.evike.com/products/69387/ example]. They seem to have increased the spacing between rail sections, probably just to avoid visual artifacting. Looks like the normal attachment screws have been replaced with bigger thumbscrews, which is the sort of change you could easily get away with on an Airsoft weapon. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:19, 14 December 2018 (EST)
::Poor modeling I'd say, CoDs tend to have poor details in the models, just look at the difference between the realistic rendition of the troy sights in BO1 and the poor attempt in MW2. Oh and btw the "abnormally raised sights" are MP7 sights. Also why is the MW3 page still locked? I understand it was to prevent some trolling and vandalism but come on, its locked like for years now. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:41, 14 December 2018 (EST)
== M14 EBR and MK14 ==
So if I'm reading this correctly, the only appearance of the Magpul CTR-stocked Mk 14 Mod 1 is a third-person model right? Shouldn't the first person images of the "M14 EBR" be moved to the Mk 14 Mod 0 section, since the first-person model is more or less the same model as the Mk 14 Mod 0 "MK14"? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 04:50, 19 January 2019 (EST)
:It's not exactly the same model, though, and putting them there would make it even more needlessly hard to explain what's going on. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:26, 19 January 2019 (EST)
== Since the page will never be unlocked I will leave this here ==
The handguard of the M4A1 is not KAC. It is obviously recycled from the SIR quad from MW2 but I think it is meant to resemble Surefire M73 as it is somewhat slimmed down but still has weirdly angled vent holes. The charging handle latch is either Badger Ordnance Tactical Charging Handle Latch or Wilson Combat one. Its grip is also not the A1 but incorrectly depicted A2 confirmed by the ridging on the back of the grip--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:29, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
==Request to unlock the page for edits==
The Striker section is outdated. The reload animation in-game likely cannot work in real life, as there is no evidence that the thumb tab on the Striker can advance the drum magazine. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 19:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
: Requesting another edit to add this line to the FAD section: The empty reload animation completely ignores the cocking handle (a hook-shaped extension on the right side of the gun, next to the ejection port), and the user instead just slaps the mag again to lengthen the reload time. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 13:33, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
:: Requesting an edit with the development. Treyarch and Neversoft also help out with Modern Warfare 3. Not only Treyarch help out the actual Modern Warfare 3 game, they also ported the Wii version of the game. The whole development of Modern Warfare 3 appears in the end credits.--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 13:05, 26 October 2019 (EDT)
::: Requesting another edit: The PKP's reload animation disregards the release button on the rear of the feed tray cover, and just lifts up the feed tray cover by the rear sight. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 17:21, 10 November 2019 (EST)
:::: Minor edit request: the portrayal of the SMAW as a disposable launcher should be described as inaccurate instead of incorrect. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 04:58, 18 November 2019 (EST)
More: The MG36's bipod is recycled from the M60E3. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 17:22, 8 January 2020 (EST)
:Limpet mine used to breach the sub resembles this thing called "[https://www.slideshare.net/navydiver/pmseod21-exchange-officer-end-of-tour-report MK 3 CLAM]". --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:34, 31 January 2020 (EST)
::Another one on the pile: unlike the one in ''MW2'', the SPAS-12 here has no charging handle; its ejection port also never opens, since it's just part of the texture, meaning that applying some camouflage finishes can remove the ejection port entirely. This in spite of the fact that the pumping animation has you flip the gun over to look directly at said non-functional and/or nonexistent ejection port. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 22:20, 2 February 2020 (EST) P.S.: Also, the M240B section calls it an "M20B" at one point. Should probably deal with that.
The M4A1's handguard appears to have [https://www.amazon.com/YWNYT-Picatinny-Handguard-Sections-Lightweight/dp/B07YJS3TQ6/ref=sr_1_56?dchild=1&qid=1583805863&s=sports-and-fitness&sr=1-56 lightweight hollow-out rails]. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 22:12, 9 March 2020 (EDT)
== Someone recreated the MW3 M4A1 ==
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/bdz3lm/a_modern_warfare_3_ar15/ Here it is]. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:49, 14 December 2019 (EST)
: I wonder if the 20-round magazine on the M4A1 in this is an artifact from the Mk 12 that was also supposed to be in the game.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:19, 8 January 2020 (EST) PS - I've been considering installing this game on the Xbox and trying to find that AK with the Aimpoint M68 that's supposed to be in a DLC Spec Ops mission.
== Request to add info to the M4A1 and the Colt CM901==
Also, why are pages protected in the first place? Almost every page is always a work in progress anyways, this just makes it harder to edit. If anyone vandalizes the page, someone will see it and fix it.--[[User:TheFlyingDutchman|TheFlyingDutchman]] ([[User talk:TheFlyingDutchman|talk]]) 21:18, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
The Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed returns from Modern Warfare 2. It is used by Price in "Stronghold" and is seen on a table in "Back on the Grid" but can't be obtained by the player.
Spyderco Military
A Spyderco Military is used by Sandman to cut the seatbelt in the wrecked humvee at the beginning of "Black Tuesday". The same model is also used by Price to kill one of Makarov's MH-6 Little Bird pilots in "Dust to Dust".
Ocean Master Diving Knife
An Ocean Master Diving Knife is carried by Sandman in "Hunter Killer".
M1942 Machete
A slightly modified version of the M1942 Machete model from Black Ops is used by an African militant in "Back on the Grid".
Mark 82 Bomb
Mark 82 Bombs are dropped by the B-2 Spirit as part of the "Stealth Bomber" killstreak which itself is recycled from Modern Warfare 2.
Attachments
Adco SOLO Sight System/Sightmark Sure Shot
Like in Call of Duty 4, the "Red Dot Sight" is based on the Adco SOLO Sight System or some of its numerous copies like the Sure Shot reflex sight.
Docter/Burris Fastfire 3 Hybrid
The Docter/Burris Fastfire 3-esque red dot sight from Modern Warfare 2 appears on some AK-47s found in the Special Ops mission "Kill Switch". It is not available in multiplayer.
Aimpoint CompM2
The Aimpoint CompM2 appears on some AK-47s found in the Special Ops mission "Kill Switch". It is erroneously treated like the ACOG, even sharing its reticle. It is not available in multiplayer.
EOTech EXPS3
The EOTech EXPS3 appears as the "Holographic Sight". It is inaccurately depicted with a quick detach lever from the EOTech 553.
Trijicon ACOG TA31
The Trijicon ACOG TA31 appears as the "ACOG Sight". The ACOG is depicted with an electronic reticle instead of the etched tritium-illuminated reticle.
Trijicon ACOG TA31F.
Leupold Mark 4 HAMR
The Leupold Mark 4 High Accuracy Multi-Range HAMR scope appears as the "HAMR Scope".
T14/TAM-14 Thermal Scope
The "Thermal Scope" is based on the SPI CORP T14 Thermal Scope or Nivisys TAM-14 Thermal Acquisition Monocular.
EOTech MPO III
The EOTech MPO III close-/long-range sighting system appears as the "Hybrid Sight".
Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS
The Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS M5B1 Front Focal scope appears as the "Variable Zoom".
Heartbeat Sensor
The fictional heartbeat sensor returns from Modern Warfare 2, albeit with a slightly different design, but nevertheless still based on the M314 Motion Tracker from the Alien franchise.
Grip
An unknown vertical foregrip appears in the menu image for the "Grip" attachment, though when used on weapons, the actual model is of a KAC foregrip.
It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. Evil Tim 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - Kenny99 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - Mr. Wolf 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --Funkychinaman 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --ThatoneguyJosh 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
The thing is while commercials are not allowed, trailers usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. Evil Tim 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --ThatoneguyJosh 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly all having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. Evil Tim 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - Kenny99 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are not trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be way bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. Evil Tim 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)
^Isn't that... crap, what's his name... he played Jet Jackson on that Disney Channel show. Anyway, isn't that Jet Jackson? Spartan198 00:23, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
Soap (Michael Heathcote) uses a Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 during the obstacle course. However, the weapon fires as if it was not suppressed, as evidenced by the firing sound and the muzzle flash.
The M4A1 Carbine is used by John "Soap" MacTavish (Michael Heathcote) and Simon "Ghost" Riley (Cameron Rufelds), as well as several other team members.
John Price (David Kinsman) uses a SIG-Sauer P226 at the end. The P226 also appears to be the pistol previously used by John "Soap" MacTavish (Jon Morgan).
A Colt Model 727 with an M203 grenade launcher is used by Soap (Jon Morgan). Judging by the large white logo on the magazine well, it is likely an airsoft replica.
When Soap hits the table and screams "Who is Kingfish?!" at the end, several rifles, along with an Accuracy International AW variant, are seen behind him.
The RPG-7 is used by two Russian soldiers, one who shoots down an AC-130 (!) and one who wounds Soap.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingRPG-7 - 40mmError creating thumbnail: File missingA soldier about to fire the RPG, which is erroneously depicted with homing capabilities. The explosion seen at the right is that of a previously fired rocket that has been directed away by the AC-130's flares. Note also how, instead of having the appropriate PGO-7 scope, the launcher has an ACOG scope seemingly fixed with a tape.
After Roach detonates a breaching charge, Soap shouts "9-Bang out!", but he actually throws an M84 stun grenade, not a Rheinmetall "9-Bang". Nevertheless, the grenade detonates multiple times like a 9-Bang, but six times instead of nine.
It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. Evil Tim 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Desert Eagle
Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in Minneapolis MN. --commando552 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
This is a slightly different gradient mapping (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. Evil Tim 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --commando552 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!
Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the top of the magazine). Evil Tim
Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --Ranger12 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)
I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --commando552 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--Ranger12 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were lucky you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. Evil Tim 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--Ranger12 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. Evil Tim 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --Ranger12 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)
The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --commando552 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? Evil Tim 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --Ranger12 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Mk 14
So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and check it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. Evil Tim 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)
... what's the problem? --Ghostdigga 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)
The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. Evil Tim 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)
Since it's locked...
Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?
"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."
Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --Funkychinaman 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)
You're misreading. The W9 round itself is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. Evil Tim 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --Funkychinaman 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Just did that before reading. Evil Tim 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Thanks. --Funkychinaman 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)
How come the page is locked anyway? --RaNgeR 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. Kadorhal 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)
Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
Error creating thumbnail: File missing"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.
That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it does use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?
Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of MW2's name. Kadorhal 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)
Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.
Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.Error creating thumbnail: File missingMod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.Error creating thumbnail: File missingMW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.Error creating thumbnail: File missingMod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.
Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. Evil Tim 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)
M4A1
A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.
The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --Noble.6 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)
If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. Evil Tim 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --Noble.6 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)
It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. Evil Tim 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)
I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. The Wierd It 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)
And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.
So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. The Wierd It 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said last time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:
Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
Error creating thumbnail: File missingStandard USP in CoD4. Barely visible barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingStandard USP from MW2 in MW3. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has very slightly visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingUSP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has highly visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.
The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
Let me just break this down:
Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. Evil Tim 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)
I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it says it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. Evil Tim 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --commando552 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Just want to note that the suppressed USP with tactical knife in "Eye of the Storm" is also identified by name as a Tactical. It may be a side effect of the naming scheme in-game rather than actually referring to the real-world model, though; "Stronghold" gives the player a suppressed P99 with tactical knife that is also identified as "P99 Tactical". Kadorhal 13:03, 1 August 2012 (CDT)
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - bozitojugg3rn4ut 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --commando552 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --Ranger12 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)
I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. Evil Tim 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? Evil Tim 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)
The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --commando552 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --commando552 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in Far Cry, mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. Evil Tim 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the Far Cry rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --commando552 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. Alex T Snow 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. Evil Tim 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --commando552 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. Evil Tim 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--Shadowkungfu 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Ah, CQB barrel, that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? Evil Tim 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Could be. :| - Mr. Wolf 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the G36 talk page, as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --commando552 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --Ranger12 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. Alex T Snow 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)
The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [1]. Spartan198 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)
The "MG36" is fitted with iron sights from the MP7 model, except they're actually raised when not equipped with an optic attachment. Just sayin'. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 12:56, 10 March 2018 (EST)
Oakley Gloves
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --BlemoTALK • CONTRIBUTIONS • EMAIL • MESSAGE
I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --commando552 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)
I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) The Wierd It 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)
During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --DeltaOne 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)
More guns
In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--James Woods 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)
Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= Taedeezy 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)
I'll be going through again to get these soonish. Evil Tim 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --bozitojugg3rn4ut 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. Evil Tim 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. The Wierd It 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)
Type-95 is a 97
When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. Excalibur01 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)
Soap's P99
I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring
Yes, he does. Evil Tim 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)
On the topic of the P99, I want to say it's the 9mm version with the capacity of the .40 version, but I'm not sure - the is shaped like the .40 version, but the textures look like they're trying to imitate the indentations of the 9mm slide. My guess is either they thought the 9mm version would be more recognizable but got lazy about it, or the models and textures were made by different people who weren't on the same page as to what exact gun they were trying to make. What do you think? Kadorhal (talk) 20:02, 25 December 2012 (EST)
MP7 Mag
I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --Don Bigles 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --Don Bigles 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)
I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--Z008MJ 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)
It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. Evil Tim 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)
Always Wondered
Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? Charon68 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)
I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.
Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. Evil Tim 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)
Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--Coltmth 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --commando552 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)
It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --Masterius 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)
If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --DeltaOne 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)
I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --commando552 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)
Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be really cool if you bought this one!" Evil Tim 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)
(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing Call of Duty?! It's an unrealistic portrayal of firearms, now get back on the computer and play more America's Army!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, IMFDB does *not* condone child abuse) Spartan198 14:50, 26 February 2012 (CST)
(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing America's Army?! The son of a Marine would never play this game, now get back on the computer and check if Six Days in Fallujah is already out!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, Marines and Soldiers are known for not liking being indistinguished) --Masterius 01:46, 27 February 2012 (CST)
When did I indistinguish Soldiers and Marines? And sadly I doubt we'll be seeing Six Days on shelves any time soon. Spartan198 03:24, 27 February 2012 (CST)
I didn't really comment in regards to that post, just needed something, for comedic purposes :)
And indeed, the lack of any progress on game since 2010 is disappointing :\ --Masterius 07:17, 27 February 2012 (CST)
Believe me, I've been looking forward to Six Days for a while. The game is supposedly finished and ready to ship, but no publisher seems to have the balls to distribute it. It could become the Thrill Kill of shooter games (i.e., the "best fighting game you've never played", as it's so frequently referred to as). Funny how almost all of the criticism for it (as well as Medal of Honor 2010) came mostly from foreign entities. Yeah, the British and the Danish "disagree" with two games that revolve around the US military, but no one over there seems to have any problems with the SAS-starring Modern Warfare series. Kind of bizarre how that works out, huh? ;) Spartan198 18:51, 27 February 2012 (CST)
Medal of Honor was banned from selling in US Military Bases, wasn't it? But yes, the highly vocal boycotting of these 2 games, and not CoD: MWs, by British is really suspicious and looks more like propaganda stuff...
Should Atomic Games have gone indie with the game, the lack of publisher wouldn't be an obstacle :\ --Masterius 02:18, 28 February 2012 (CST)
I thought all the shit with Medal of Honor was because it let people play as a faction explicitly named as the Taliban until EA caved under pressure and changed it. The Wierd It 04:22, 28 February 2012 (CST)
That was the seed that the criticism tree sprouted from, yes. I still think it's just the fact that the US military takes center stage in them instead of second fiddle like in CoD, though. Spartan198 00:38, 20 July 2012 (CDT)
UMP.45 Manufacturer
Did anyone else notice that while MW2's UMP was manufactured by Heckler & Koch in Sterling, Virginia, MW3's model was made by the infamous "Gunnery Gun Co."? Just putting it out there, in the event that an admin wants to add some smarmy remark (Best damn parts of the article...)
Which is totally inaccurate, since everyone knows UMPs are made by Pooder & Chernoosky like the G36. Evil Tim 23:58, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Really? I could've swore the UMP and the G36 came from Hitler & Krotch in Nazi-Land, Europe.
Overkill perk icon
Since the Call of Duty 4 and World at War pages refer to the weapons present in their Overkill icons, I figure we should do so for this game as well. What's this look like to you guys? My best guess is some form of AK without a magazine, though since there doesn't seem to be a release lever, I'd rather have someone else look at it to make sure. Kadorhal 17:48, 12 May 2012 (CDT)
It really is impossible to tell for sure. It's just to vague. There are no markings whatsoever. Barrett50 15:05, 6 August 2012
FAD three round burst
Unless I'm somehow doing something really wrong, I'm pretty sure the FAD doesn't have a three round burst when the fire button is tapped. Animalmenace
If there even is a three-round burst on the gun, it could just be a multiplayer thing - I didn't get it to do that either, but I only tested the SP version. Alright, apparently Survival mode uses the multiplayer versions of guns. It still was not firing in bursts when I tapped the trigger. Kadorhal 16:34, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
M249
can a mod add this? well at least phrase it in?
the configuration that this m249 have, doen't make it an FN minimi? which the M249 based on, and when clicked, redirected to Fn minimi.
Special Ops/Survival weapons stats + Beretta 92SB in campaign
At the start of the pages it says that "Special Ops mode and Survival use the singleplayer weapon stats and abilities unless otherwise noted". Actually it's only the case for the Special Ops mode, while the Survival mode uses the multiplayer weapons stats and abilities, the exceptions being the weapons bought from the "equipment" armory (such as the riot shield, C4, grenades, etc.)
Also, information about the Beretta 92SB (called M9 in-game) from MW1 and MW2 should be added, as this handgun can rarely be found in the mission "Goalpost" (you can see that in some videos in youtube)--Ultimate94ninja 14:15, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
The reference to sniper rifles having dual sights shouldn't really be there, either - that's a one-time thing on the RSASS from "Eye of the Storm" and doesn't show up anywhere else. Kadorhal 17:38, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
Beretta 92SB
It is useable in the mission "Goalpost". Delta Force operators will draw the 92SB after running out of ammo with their primary weapon. Dead operators will sometimes drop the Beretta. It is a recycled MW2 M9, and uses the same firing sound. - User:1morey August 6, 2012 5:30 PM (EST)
I'll take a look and get a shot if I can find one. Evil Tim 09:19, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
Maybe it will be hard to find one in Goalpost, so if you can't take screenshots of it in this level, we can still add another point: in the downloadable special ops mission "Special Delivery", the wounded soldier at the end holds a 92SB. Also, maybe we should add info about the new "Starstreak" launcher in the FIM-92A Stinger section (the Starstreak weapon uses the same model as the Stinger) --Ultimate94ninja 14:30, 18 August 2012 (CDT)
Heh, I uploaded that one. Kadorhal (talk) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
M16A4 with optics
The M16A4 still has the front sight/gas block removed when aftermarket optics are added, just like in the last two games. Figured that'd be worth a mention. Kadorhal 22:03, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
I just took another look; you can see a low-profile gas block on the M4 when reloading the M203, but the M16 player model is too long to really tell if there's something there or not. I'll take a look at one on the ground later. Evil Tim 22:30, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
Took a look at it myself while testing out the Terminal port from MW2 in Survival. No front sight as usual with alternate optics, but at the same time the Create-a-Class image for the gun seems to have the front sight within the handguard, so there could be a low-profile gas block within it. That or whoever made the Create-a-Class image doesn't know AR-15's. Kadorhal 21:41, 28 August 2012 (CDT)
Well, that's sad. Spartan198 00:05, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
I'd say that's pretty much certain since the fire selector is set to "look I just broke the fire selector." Evil Tim 00:39, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
That's the most dangerous and efficient firing mode ever fielded to the operators. It always takes 'the enemy' by surprise.--BeloglaviSup 03:28, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
Replayed Act 1, found some more tidbits about the M16 and a few guns:
1.) The M16A4 effectively replaces the M4A1 as the standard weapon of US forces in "Goalpost" after Rhino Two-One is knocked out in the parking garage. This is pretty much its only consistent appearance in Campaign mode.
2.) NPC allies equipped with the M16A4 in "Goalpost" seem to have working fire selectors: I saw one guy fire single shots at one point and then fire bursts five minutes later.
3.) I think I saw an ally in "Goalpost" pull out a Beretta 92SB, but I'm not 100% sure since he didn't actually fire it and switched back to his rifle before I could get a clear close-up look.
4.) Sergeant Wallcroft and a few of the other SAS men in "Mind the Gap" have an MP7A1 with 20-round magazine in their sidearm holsters, rather than the USP Tactical the player and most of the other SAS have. This seems to be the sole appearance of the MP7 in Campaign. Kadorhal (talk) 21:27, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
I've figured out what makes allies pull their sidearms but it's going to be a pain to actually make it happen deliberately; they have to fire their last shot from their main weapon away from cover (otherwise they reload) and without killing whoever they were firing at. And without dying, which is what usually happens when they're in such a position. Evil Tim (talk) 02:50, 17 January 2013 (EST)
Well, I managed it. And also, since I apparently refuse to let this topic drift away from the M16A4, I found this too: equip the M203 on an M16A4 with it in singleplayer and the whole thing will switch to the MW2 model. Kadorhal (talk) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
Does that happen in every level, or just that one? The reason I ask is that Goalpost is the one with the different Mk 14 player model, so it's rather likely it's yet another placeholder. I'll have to go back through to get 16:9 caps of those two anyway.
I swear this is some horrible conspiracy to make everyone play the worst level in the entire game over and over. Evil Tim (talk) 05:27, 11 February 2013 (EST)
I'm pretty sure it's just this level, considering the M16A4 is generally only available in one mission per game in this series. Kadorhal (talk) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
QBZ-97 3-round burst
In the "QBZ-97" section it is stated that the 3-round burst mode is incorrect for this weapon. This fire mode is actually available on the QBZ-97A variant (an improved export model of the QBZ-97), so probably this is the variant featured in-game (if it is not, someone should still mention in the page that the 3-rd burst exists for the QBZ-97A variant) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:00, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
"AK-47" Furniture
I might be somewhat late for the party, but if it is worth noting, I'd say that AK is fitted with a handguard similar to Midwest Industries' one (with rail covers) and its scope mount resembles Belarusian PB-02.
Is the AA-12 the full scale version?
The create-a-class image has a shorter barrel and I know you can get a short-barrelled version. Can someone compare the picture on the page with the c-a-c image and see if it's still right.
Since the MW3 page can't be edited, I thought I would point out a minor thing; in a caption to one of the P90 pictures pointing out the "dual scope" attachment, it states that it is multiplayer-only; however, this isn't correct, because the attachment is featured in at least one mission in the campaign (the opening mission). --Dirty Harold (talk) 15:40, 24 December 2012 (EST)
No it can't, you're thinking of the hybrid scope. The HAMR scope is never available in single. Evil Tim (talk) 03:06, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Harold is right. I've used it in at least two of the single player missions. It's hard to mix up the HAMR with the hybrid since the former only works on SMG's in the game and the latter is for Assault Rifles/Carbines along with the fact that they look completely different. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 11:56, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Could you tell me in which missions the HAMR appears, then? The P90 picture says the HAMR duel optic isn't in any of the missions, I know very well the Hybrid Scope is since I have pictures of it on this page in the first level and "Scorched Earth." Evil Tim (talk) 08:12, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I know for sure you can use it in the first level. I can't remember the name of it but it is in the level where you're in India and you have to escort Soap to the Little Bird and you're playing as Yuri. Those are the only ones I can remember it in. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 13:06, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I've never seen it in the first level, and I'm fairly sure there aren't even any SMGs in Persona Non Grata, let alone ones with HAMR Scopes. I really think you're just mis-remembering this. Evil Tim (talk) 13:21, 26 December 2012 (EST)
Eh, I may very well have been. It's been awhile since I played through the campaign. But Puppet claims to have seen it, now; I don't know. At any rate, feel free to disregard this now... blame it on my senility. --Dirty Harold (talk) 18:43, 26 December 2012 (EST)
Well I know I'm not mis-remembering because I've used them and played the single player more times than I can count. And there are SMG's in Persona Non Grata(Thank you by the way for saying what the mission was called) because I've picked up quite a few P90's while working my way through the mission. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I'm not saying I don't believe you (well, ok, I am) but I've played through those levels plenty of times too and I've never seen the HAMR outside multiplayer. Could you get a screenshot? Even a photo of a TV screen is fine, but obviously it's much easier for you to prove it is there than for me to show you a picture of something that isn't in the picture. Evil Tim (talk) 06:18, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Understandable. I'll see what I can do. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 12:26, 29 December 2012 (EST)
If this hasn't already been settled yet, I just replayed the first three levels in search of a HAMR scope, and from what I've seen it appears that Evil Tim is right on both counts - there are no SMGs at all in Persona Non Grata (they could be dropped by allies for all I know, but this time through it seemed every one of them had a PKP), and the ones available in Black Tuesday and Hunter Killer do not have HAMR scopes. ACOGs, red dots, and holographics, yes, but no HAMRs. Kadorhal (talk) 21:41, 14 January 2013 (EST)
Sorry it took so long but I have a screenshot of a P90 in the mission "Persona Non Grata" but I have no idea how to add it. I'm still looking for a P90 with a HAMR sight in the game, but so far no luck. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 12:35, 17 January 2013 (EST)
Do like I did for that MP7 image above: upload it and link to it here on the talk page. Even if nobody puts it on the actual page, at least you have proof. Kadorhal (talk) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
AT4
The AT4 is available in Persona non Grata but cannot be seen without noclip. Anyone want to take a shot?
Source:
You've got to laugh at some of the captions on the MW3 page. You'd actually think this was real-world and not a game. It isn't real life and is bound to make a few mistakes!! --Ritch (talk) 01:49, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
I've gotta laugh at you for expecting a website dedicated to the portrayal of firearms in media to not point out the mountains of ridiculous mistakes that IW and Treyarch make time after time after time after time in these games. The constant screw ups are what actually turned me off to this game series. You might find the CoD wiki is a better community for you. Spartan198 (talk) 08:27, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
You reckon it might be a better community for me? Oh well, thanks for the suggestion. I think I'll stick around here seeing as I am entitled to my opinion and I'm not a fan of the game. I came to this page for information and just said what I found. --Ritch (talk) 12:16, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
You came to the page for information and are objecting that there is too much? With any piece of media if there are glaring errors with how a particular gun is portrayed (for example films with pump action noise on a double barrelled shotgun, safety catch talk for a Glock, stuff like that) there is not problem with mentioning it. With games like this that are played by a wide audience who are not necessarily knowledgeable about firearms, they can lead to a lot of misinformation about certain guns, and if we can help prevent that then I don't see the issue with pointing out the mistakes and inaccuracies that were made. What captions in particular do you think are over the top nit-picky? --commando552 (talk) 13:15, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
The fact that it makes mistakes is not a good reason to ignore them. Nothing wrong with the captions here, I should know because I wrote them. Also, the statement "you are entitled to your opinion" means people will not come around your house with tyre irons and beat it out of you, it does not mean that we are entitled to your opinion, or that your opinion is automatically considered worthwhile, logically justified or factual. Lose the attitude, please. Evil Tim (talk) 05:41, 14 April 2013 (EDT)
RPD
The RPD Model from COD4 appears in a cutscene for the mission Return to Sender.Mr.Ice (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
I uploaded the image, but it appears the page is locked so that only admins can edit it.
Yeah, I uploaded my own a little after anyway, it's up there now. Evil Tim (talk) 04:45, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
Changing Minebea M-9 image
I made a change on the Minebea M-9 image to make it consistent so that the filenames consist of "File:Minebea M-9 submachine gun (New).jpg" and "File:Minebea M-9 (old).jpg". I can't change it since the page is locked. Ominae (talk) 00:40, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
FN SCAR-L
Perhaps it just seems to me, but the first generation of the FN SCAR-L is much larger in appearance resembles a model represented in the game?
Wouldn't have surprised me if it were the case (games like this seem to be in some bizarre time-loop where everything in current military use has been replaced, but solely by prototypes and concept mock-ups of 5+-year-old guns), but the third-person model and Create-a-Class icon indicate it's third-gen. Kadorhal (talk) 02:17, 22 February 2014 (EST)
ACR
The ACR 6.8 in-game as a longer barrel than the military Remington ACR (as seen here and here, though I'm not sure if this also applies to the 1st person model). Should this make it the civilian Bushmaster variant? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:54, 6 January 2015 (EST)
It looks like it's the 14.5 on the in-game model (this doesn't look as long as the one on the third person model), but we've got some pictures of Remington ACRs with 16 inch barrels on Talk:Bushmaster ACR, so I don't think it would mean it's a different model. Evil Tim (talk) 07:04, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Eh, right, I forgot about the 16.5 barrel. But what specific components allow us to to differentiate between the Remington and Bushmaster ACR? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:45, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Well, aside from the giant Remington logo that's a but of a giveaway as to which version it's supposed to be, I think the handguard with bigger vents is only on the Remington ACR. Evil Tim (talk) 08:01, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Yeah, regarding the handguard, that was in my mind, thanks for clarifying. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:29, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Regarding the Colt Anaconda
It can actually be used in singleplayer, in the mission "Bag and Drag", though it is extremely rare (just like the Beretta 92SB in Goalpost) since it can only be obtained from the allied GIGN if they get into CQC fights with the enemies. I can post a couple of screencaps if someone wants proof, but they're unusable on the main page since they're taken off the TV and I don't have the game on PC. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:00, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
I always thought that the only way they ever got those out was if they emptied their primary weapon at an enemy without killing them, they'd transition to their pistol rather than doing their reloading animation for their rifle. I've never got one of the guys in Goalpost to pull his sidearm and I finally got tired of it since it's the most boring level in the franchise, but I might give bag and drag a go to see if I can find one. Crap screenshot would be ok here on the talk page just to confirm it happens, I'll add it to the article then. Evil Tim (talk) 09:38, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
I wouldn't really recommend you to try checking it, since finding these two handguns is a freakin' pain in the ass :P Anyway, allies do usually draw their handguns after emptying their primary weapon in the middle of a gunfight, but this didn't work for me in Bag and Drag, and neither did it in Goalpost, as they kept on stupidly reloading their primaries in front of the enemy. It's by pure luck that I managed to get akimbo 92SBs in the latter, from an ally's body (regarding this pistol you can find YouTube videos showing it in the mission). Anyway, here you go:
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe solider on the right is Sabre, who got into a hand-to-hand fight with an enemy and finished him off with his Colt Anaconda.
In this playthrough, I got the Colt Anaconda from Tueur, another GIGN soldier who usually gets killed in this mission (unlike Sabre and Faucon). He got into a CQC fight and drew his revolver, but lost against his opponent. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:49, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
Another fine example of Infinity Ward's realistic choices in weapons. Kinda glad they gave up and moved to sci-fi crap. Mr. Wolf (talk) 14:18, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Doesn't GIGN actually use revolvers? (A few seconds later) Yes they do!--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:24, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Reason being that they're easier to use in front of riot shield, I wish Montagne could do that in Rainbow 6.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:13, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Seemed like Mr Wolf didn't know that they use revolvers, that's why i linked to that article.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
They don't use Anacondas though, so the point still stands. That is like justifying a Navy SEAL carrying a Desert Eagle by saying that they use SIGs. As for why they use revolvers still, although the shield thing is debatable true, it is not really the reason. They just historically preferred the .357 cartridge and the reliability and simplicity of a revolver as a CQB weapon. They are used by GIGN more widely than just shield carriers. In fact, I believe that they have started to use Glocks with a 33 magazine with a shield due to it being so hard to reload (they may also carry their MR-73 still as a secondary weapon). S&W made a revolver which they tried to market for police use with a shield (M&P R8) but I have never heard of anyone using it in this capacity. --commando552 (talk) 18:36, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
The difference between an Anaconda and whatever revolvers the GIGN use is not nearly as big as the difference between a SIG and a damn Desert Eagle. But why waste time arguing about this anyway...--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
They are two weapons of very different size and weight, firing a different cartridge, one of which is a serious military/police weapon whilst the other is a novelty/niche hunting weapon. Doesn't seem that far off to me. --commando552 (talk) 18:56, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
I wasn't saying it was unrealistic for the GIGN to use revolvers, just the Colt Anaconda specifically. It's pretty cool that they still use .357 revolvers. Mr. Wolf (talk) 23:54, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
It's name implies it's suppose to be Terminator 2 inspired. Mr. Wolf (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
Fictional Drone is not so fictional...
According to Howe Technologies Ripsaw MS2. At least according to www.igcd.net --Dannyguns (talk) 08:50, 2 December 2016 (EST)
You realise a Ripsaw is like six or seven feet tall, right? Also the tracks and running gear are completely wrong for a Ripsaw.Evil Tim (talk) 10:23, 2 December 2016 (EST)
There are some similarities in general shape, but at the most this is only vaguely based on a Ripsaw. If you compare this to this there are a lot of differences. --commando552 (talk) 11:38, 2 December 2016 (EST)
Immediatly after I seen that on igcd i put here, so well, thanks commando... and Evil Tim I never seen a Ripsaw in my life before commando552 showed.--Dannyguns (talk) 14:57, 2 December 2016 (EST)
On another note, the PP-90M1 section incorrectly has "9x18mm" in the caption, whereas it's actually chambered in 9x19mm. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:56, 15 January 2017 (EST)
"Starstreak" launcher in Spec Ops
Should we add it. --Dannyguns (talk) 05:24, 28 February 2017 (EST)
It is a made up launcher based on the Stinger model, so have just added a note for it in that section. --commando552 (talk) 06:05, 28 February 2017 (EST)
Some caption notes
Two additions I can think of:
1.) In the last screenshot from the RSASS section: while the production Mi-28N showing up in 1996 is an anachronism, it might be worth noting that those still at least actually showed up in the original CoD4 level - the RSASS's leaning on a crate weren't there the first time around.
2.) In the section for the GP-30: this is more of a nitpick, but I'm not sure I like picking on Bad Company specifically for loading an incorrect M203 grenade into a GP-series launcher, as if it was the first game to do so and/or the reason everyone else does it, when Call of Duty was doing it first (November 2007 for CoD4 vs June 2008 for Bad Company). Kadorhal (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
On that second one, TBH, I think you're reading a bit too much into it (one link is 'picking on' said game?). That said, we make notes like that all over the site, I don't see a real issue. I certainly see no reason to replace it with a note about CoD4, if that's what you're asking. I'd suggest removing it entirely before that, but I don't think that necessary either. As for the first, I'm not quite sure what you're going for there.. I suppose a reference to the previous game wouldn't hurt but again I don't necessarily see the need for it either. All-told, for your complaint about the page supposedly poking at one game it sounds like you're wanting it to instead poke at CoD4, which well, I just don't see as actually adding anything to the page itself. StanTheMan (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
The first suggestion is just going along with the "time travel" joke that's already there - Zakhaev not only has multiple units of a helicopter at a point in time where even its prototype hadn't ever flown yet, but now he also has sniper rifles that not only didn't exist at that point in time, but also were not there the first time we were made privy to the events of that day. As for the second, I'm not complaining that we're calling out Bad Company for making the same mistake, because there's no doubt that it did - my issue is that the wording in the caption suggests that it was the first and/or only other game to ever do that, when as I demonstrated above that is clearly not the case. I wouldn't disagree to keeping the link to Bad Company there alongside one to Call of Duty 4 if we change it, but still, CoD4 would be a more accurate and reasonable comparison because A) it made the same mistake half a year before Bad Company was even released, and B) it's actually in the same series and at least at some point in time had most of the same developers as Modern Warfare 3. Kadorhal (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
I gotcha now. Most of that sounds fair enough. StanTheMan (talk) 03:05, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
On a side note, the Mi-28 was developed in the 1980s and the Mi-28N prototype was first flown in November of 1996 (at least according to Wikipedia), so I don't think it's as anachronistic as whoever stated that originally. --AgentGumby (talk) 01:29, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
Well, from the CoD wiki, the mission in which the Havoc is seen takes place in winter 1996, so depending when that season is, it mightn't be as erroneous as some people believe it to be. (Link: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/All_Ghillied_Up) -Ft763
Talking about the Mi-28 Havoc here, not the Mi-24 Hind. For some reason, all the Hinds are replaced with Havocs in "One Shot, One Kill" mission that comes after "All Ghillied Up."--AgentGumby (talk) 12:22, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Fixed it. -Ft763
A couple of additional notes: previously, the site's M60E4 image was incorrectly named M60E3. I renamed it, so can someone of the admins please make the appropriate change in the M60E4 section? (as well as delete the old "M60E3.jpg" redirect). Also, the AWM section lists some incorrect things;
in reality both the AW and AWM can have either folding or non-folding stocks, and it wouldn't have been correct to call the in-game weapon "L115A1" (could have been simply called "AWM" or something), because according to what is stated on Ghosts page the real L115A1 has a non-folding stock. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
Oh and another fun fact: the in-game SCAR-L only has 1-S selector markings, just like the civilian SCAR 16S. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:48, 23 February 2019 (EST)
The page is locked from edits, so I can't add screenshots
I'd like to add a few pictures or info about the MW3 guns, but whoever locked the page was angry that day and never unlocked it back. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 05:20, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe M60E4 (which is actually an M60E3) in single player has a grip attached. It is gray because no camo or base color is applied, and the player never touches it. It is also different from the multiplayer grip.Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe M16A4 with an M203 in single player.Error creating thumbnail: File missingWhen the M203 is selected, it instantly morphs into an MW2 model. This has to be seen to be believed.
It's locked to prevent vandalism and / or addition of 4:3 aspect ratio images. I'll have to redownload it and get those in the right aspect ratio when it's done. Yaaaay, I get to play Hamburg again, it's only one of the worst levels in the series. Evil Tim (talk) 05:49, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
The "worst level in the series" honor definitely goes to Ghosts' Sin City. Also yeah, von CAHEK, keep in mind that some games have horrible-looking images when taken in 4:3 aspect ratio; notice how your second screenshot is vertically stretched. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:48, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
@Ultimate94ninja, my screenshots aren't stretched, note the crosshair is perfectly square, unlike some shots on Black Ops page. I play with a FOV changer, because, bloody hell, it's a PC! The default fov 65 is downright horrible and my eyes start bleeding after half an hour of playing. CoD:Ghosts was a pain due to their zero-policy to fov changers. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
I dunno, Hamburg is certainly the laziest, since it's basically three wide right-angled corridors filled with random junk with cutscenes between them. Evil Tim (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
I can try to retake those screenshots in 1280x720, if you want. What am I supposed to tell my FoV Changer then, "106"? And yeah, SCREW the goddamn Hamburg mission. That "storm the beach" moment was teeth-grinding at Veteran, as well as the uselessness of a single SMAW round, it doesn't one-shot the tank anyway. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
It's ok, I've got it reinstalled now, I'll get the shots tomorrow in 1920x1080 like the rest on the page. :) Evil Tim (talk) 13:03, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Very well, because for some reason, my game is horribly stretched when set to widescreen resolution. "Image quality" option used to fix that, but it doesn't now. Also, the FOV changer doesn't allow value higher than 100. Good luck in Hamburg, lol DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, Hamburg is by far and away the worst. Moving up those streets where you get shot from tons of people you can't even see was a huge buzzkill. It makes me wonder how I was able to play that campaign on repeat when I was younger.--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 09:52, 1 October 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
Yeah, and I'm still baffled by them giving you a SMAW with 1 shot as your second starting weapon, what the hell is it even supposed to be for? Evil Tim (talk) 10:18, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
I think you could optionally destroy one of the tanks at the start of the level, but you were 10 times more likely to be killed while doing so, and it would later be destroyed either way. And yeah, I agree that it's the laziest level, but I mentioned Sin City as the worst due to horrible 8-year old kids style writing (like the rest of the Ghosts campaign), as well as Hesh saying "Logan, pick up Riley! Logan, pick up Riley! Logan, pick up Riley!" literally every 5 seconds and I was like SHUT THE FUCK UP I'M SHOOTING HUNDREDS OF INCOMING FEDERATION DUDES I DON'T HAVE FOUR ARMS. And this is before we start to consider the fact that despite this, he pretty much wrote off [spoiler]'s death like it's nothing. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:04, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
Oh yeah, I love how awful the writing in Ghosts was, they even did the whole "they killed all the bad dudes BUT THEY LEFT ONE ALIVE TO TELL HIS COMRADES" thing which was bought up in Band of Brothers as a joke. Evil Tim (talk) 11:09, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
I haven't played the Ghosts campaign in a thousand years, so I don't remember much of that level. Was that the one when your in the mall with an escalator for a bit? 'Cause I do remember hating that one--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 12:23, 1 October 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
No, Sin City's the one where you're in a disused Spec Ops: The Line set in Vegas and you have to...I don't know, that pyramid that's in Vegas turns up at some point. Mainly known for an incredibly hard QTE on Veteran that a lot of people thought was outright broken when the game came out. Evil Tim (talk) 12:42, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
All jokes aside, yeah it's the one that involves the mall and escalators, you start in the casino. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:47, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
Still, it was all worth it for shooting a smiley face into that monitor in Federation Day and then trying to breathe as the deadly serious cutscene played out. And I though when he was talking about the mall and escalators he meant the one where you have the grenade launcher and deadly 50 cal SVD, then I belated remembered that's a stadium. Evil Tim (talk) 02:57, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Please move cut weapons to the talk page
The TDI Vector is a weapon cut from the final game. Please move it to the talk page because it does not merit an appearance on the main page because it did not formally appear in-game. --Wuzh (talk) 22:12, 25 July 2018 (EDT)
Eh, we have weapons in trailers and pre-release materials too if we know what they are, it's only leaks we don't put up. Evil Tim (talk) 02:27, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
I would personally argue that trailers and pre-release materials are not a part of the game proper, and weapons only appearing in them thus do not constitute weapons that appear in-game, and therefore should not be on the page. I personally believe that they should be on the talk page, but not on the main page. --Wuzh (talk) 09:21, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
Well I think it's more a question of if someone might question what they are and if we know. Mostly they're holdovers from when all we had was trailers, and I don't really see the point of removing this information from a page when the game comes out. I mean, we also have behind-the-scenes images on movie pages, they don't appear in the movie. The trailer up there is a special case in that isn't part of the game and never was and has far too many weapons to just put it on the main page (we do that for live-action trailers that only have one or two guns in them like the one for FEAR 3). Evil Tim (talk) 02:22, 27 July 2018 (EDT)
Striker variant
The in-game Striker variant is a Sentinel Arms Striker-12 because it features the unique drum advancing thumb tab found only on that variant. --Wuzh (talk) 02:04, 20 October 2018 (EDT)
Despite the identification as a G36K-based mockup of the MG36, this in-game rail looks nothing like any of the G36 rails that we have images of right now, not even that of the reference image. It doesn't even look like the G36C rails in the same game. Does anybody have any idea what rail this is?
Might be based on the ones used by some of the Airsoft G36s made by Evike, example. They seem to have increased the spacing between rail sections, probably just to avoid visual artifacting. Looks like the normal attachment screws have been replaced with bigger thumbscrews, which is the sort of change you could easily get away with on an Airsoft weapon. Evil Tim (talk) 03:19, 14 December 2018 (EST)
Poor modeling I'd say, CoDs tend to have poor details in the models, just look at the difference between the realistic rendition of the troy sights in BO1 and the poor attempt in MW2. Oh and btw the "abnormally raised sights" are MP7 sights. Also why is the MW3 page still locked? I understand it was to prevent some trolling and vandalism but come on, its locked like for years now. --Nanomat (talk) 19:41, 14 December 2018 (EST)
M14 EBR and MK14
So if I'm reading this correctly, the only appearance of the Magpul CTR-stocked Mk 14 Mod 1 is a third-person model right? Shouldn't the first person images of the "M14 EBR" be moved to the Mk 14 Mod 0 section, since the first-person model is more or less the same model as the Mk 14 Mod 0 "MK14"? --Wuzh (talk) 04:50, 19 January 2019 (EST)
It's not exactly the same model, though, and putting them there would make it even more needlessly hard to explain what's going on. Evil Tim (talk) 07:26, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Since the page will never be unlocked I will leave this here
The handguard of the M4A1 is not KAC. It is obviously recycled from the SIR quad from MW2 but I think it is meant to resemble Surefire M73 as it is somewhat slimmed down but still has weirdly angled vent holes. The charging handle latch is either Badger Ordnance Tactical Charging Handle Latch or Wilson Combat one. Its grip is also not the A1 but incorrectly depicted A2 confirmed by the ridging on the back of the grip--Nanomat (talk) 20:29, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
Request to unlock the page for edits
The Striker section is outdated. The reload animation in-game likely cannot work in real life, as there is no evidence that the thumb tab on the Striker can advance the drum magazine. --Wuzh (talk) 19:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
Requesting another edit to add this line to the FAD section: The empty reload animation completely ignores the cocking handle (a hook-shaped extension on the right side of the gun, next to the ejection port), and the user instead just slaps the mag again to lengthen the reload time. --Wuzh (talk) 13:33, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
Requesting an edit with the development. Treyarch and Neversoft also help out with Modern Warfare 3. Not only Treyarch help out the actual Modern Warfare 3 game, they also ported the Wii version of the game. The whole development of Modern Warfare 3 appears in the end credits.--Treliazz (talk) 13:05, 26 October 2019 (EDT)
Requesting another edit: The PKP's reload animation disregards the release button on the rear of the feed tray cover, and just lifts up the feed tray cover by the rear sight. --Wuzh (talk) 17:21, 10 November 2019 (EST)
Minor edit request: the portrayal of the SMAW as a disposable launcher should be described as inaccurate instead of incorrect. --Wuzh (talk) 04:58, 18 November 2019 (EST)
More: The MG36's bipod is recycled from the M60E3. --Nanomat (talk) 17:22, 8 January 2020 (EST)
Limpet mine used to breach the sub resembles this thing called "MK 3 CLAM". --Nanomat (talk) 18:34, 31 January 2020 (EST)
Another one on the pile: unlike the one in MW2, the SPAS-12 here has no charging handle; its ejection port also never opens, since it's just part of the texture, meaning that applying some camouflage finishes can remove the ejection port entirely. This in spite of the fact that the pumping animation has you flip the gun over to look directly at said non-functional and/or nonexistent ejection port. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:20, 2 February 2020 (EST) P.S.: Also, the M240B section calls it an "M20B" at one point. Should probably deal with that.
I wonder if the 20-round magazine on the M4A1 in this is an artifact from the Mk 12 that was also supposed to be in the game.--AgentGumby (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2020 (EST) PS - I've been considering installing this game on the Xbox and trying to find that AK with the Aimpoint M68 that's supposed to be in a DLC Spec Ops mission.
Request to add info to the M4A1 and the Colt CM901
Also, why are pages protected in the first place? Almost every page is always a work in progress anyways, this just makes it harder to edit. If anyone vandalizes the page, someone will see it and fix it.--TheFlyingDutchman (talk) 21:18, 17 April 2020 (EDT)
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