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"Fictional" Weapons

Steiner-Bisley Zenith

The Zenith is a polymer semi-automatic 10mm pistol developed by a fictional German weapon manufacturer, Steiner-Bisley. It is equipped with a R.I.S. and has a 10-round magazine. The Zenith can accept the suppressor and laser aiming module mods, and has a unique mod allowing it to fire armour-piercing bullets. It appears to be a "futurised" M1911-based pistol, with aesthetics similar to the Walther P99.

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World War II issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP

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Walther P99 - 9x19mm

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Jensen holding a Zenith pistol in the game, fitted with the suppressor and armour piercing mods.

Stasiuk Arms Hurricane TMP-18

The Hurricane TMP-18 (Tactical Machine Pistol Model 18) is a fully-automatic submachine gun made by Stasiuk Arms, Inc. It fires 9mm bullets from a 30-round magazine which can be upgraded to hold more. The gun is based on a mixture of the Steyr TMP (Overall shape, forward angled vertical foregrip, and magazine in grip orientation) and the Heckler & Koch MP5 ( MP5A3 styled buttstock, receiver design, and sight design). In addition the charging handle is on the top and seems to be based on the Uzi's charging handle and the handguard is borrowed from the Z-M LR 300 assault rifle. It can be upgraded with the aforementioned hi-cap magazines and a compensator to reduce recoil.

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Steyr TMP - 9x19mm

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Heckler & Koch MP5A3 - 9x19mm

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Firing the TMP-18.

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Reloading the TMP-18.

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Fedorova shooting with dual-wielded TMP-18s in a trailer.

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The futuristic compensator can be seen above the barrel.

Steiner-Bisley FR-27 SFR

The FR-27 SFR (Sanction Flechette Rifle) is an assault rifle based on the Magpul PDR, with a carrying handle/top-rail similar to the H&K G36C's. In the game's fiction, it was developed by the Düsseldorf-based arms manufacturer Steiner-Bisley. It fires flechette rounds, much like the Steyr ACR.

The FR-27 features an unusual break-open loading action similar to the hinged upper of an AR-15 pattern rifle, with the magazine (or possibly en-bloc clip) inserted into the open body of the weapon just in front of the trigger group and seemingly feeding upwards. This means that despite appearances, the weapon does not in fact have a bullpup layout. The structure under the barrel which appears to be a launcher actually serves as the rather oversized housing for the weapon's laser aiming module mod.

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A more recent model of the Magpul PDR - 5.56x45mm NATO

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Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm

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Jensen holding the FR-27 assault rifle.

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Concept art showing Adam Jensen in his apartment with the FR-27 rifle and the Zenith pistol.

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The FR-27 in first person.

Discussion

I never played any of the other Deus Ex games but this looks interesting. I'm curious to see how this game turns out. But one question: The Hurricane TMP-18, it looks more like a modified Uzi with a stock of a MP5 then a Steyr TMP. I might be looking at it wrong and I might not be the BEST expert when it comes to weapons, but it doesn't look like its based on a Steyr TMP. User:SeanWolf

I don't know, the Uzi does not have a fore-grip, that is why I wrote the TMP. Could be maybe the MP9 but that is technically a TMP. I'm not an expert either, but I think it is closer to the TMP/MP9 design. Anyways, someone with more "skill" with decide. bozitojugg3rn4ut 23:46, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

Well I will give you credit, You did good work on this page! I was actually thinking about creating this page, but I think you beat me too it! User:SeanWolf

Thank you. And your help is always welcome. And maybe you can help with this SR, cuz I have no idea:

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The SS-AP5 sniper rifle.

bozitojugg3rn4ut 00:41, 10 March 2011 (MSK)

Hm, wow this is tricky. It looks like a heavily modified PGM Ultima Ratio Commando.

User:SeanWolf

It seems to have the gas tube of an AS50, but the rest, eh. Looks like a real guess-the-components Frankengun. Vangelis 09:36, 10 March 2011 (MSK)

Addition: The final game's model looks nothing like that anyway. Evil Tim 11:49, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

"Bullpup assault rifle."

Seen an image of this thing in a magazine, and, well, I'm not entirely sure it's actually a bullpup.

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It looks more like some kind of weird en-bloc setup, a bit like most of the guns in Battlefield 2142 used. The "adaptable ammo" I'd guess is for the underbarrel launcher, though it's so long it'd stick clear of the front of it. Vangelis 09:58, 10 March 2011 (MSK)

I have found a video in which we can see the reloading animation of the gun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAXOTugQGvs&feature=related (Note: the audio quality is piece of sh*t.) The reload can be seen after 08:05. Jensen inserts the mag above the trigger, like you do with the P90. As far as I know the P90 is a bullpup weapon so I think this one can be too. bozitojugg3rn4ut 14:05, 10 March 2011 (MSK)

Yeah, but the actual feed location of the P90 is way behind the trigger, which is at the front of the weapon; the same goes for the G11, which has the back of the magazine inside the stock. This one, the magazine is inserted right on top of the trigger group and the feed location would be in front of it, meaning it isn't a bullpup, just an unusual layout. Vangelis2 15:00, 10 March 2011 (MSK)

If you are right and the feed loc is in the front of the rifle, then the barrel must be like 5 inch long... The game takes place in 2027 so could be. I will remove the "bullpup" from the main page. bozitojugg3rn4ut 17:19, 10 March 2011 (MSK)

Well, unless it feeds from the rear of the flip-up loading port, and we'd need a much clearer video to say which way around the magazine / en-block clip is when he puts it into the weapon (one with the first-person reload would be nice); this, of course, operates under the assumption that they're trying to make the weapon workable rather than just cool-looking (BF2142 just threw around some BS excuse about "highly compressed ammo" to explain why a pistol-sized magazine could hold dozens of assault rifle rounds; perhaps they'll use the traditional series fallback of "it was nanomachines" as they did with DE: Invisible War's universal ammo). There does look to be something resembling an ejection port on the stock (presumably blanked off since Adam's wouldn't be lefty-configured), but I'm not sure that's what it is. Vangelis2 17:39, 10 March 2011 (MSK)

That thing could only look more like a Masamune Shirow design (see "Ghost in the Shell") if it said "SEBURU ARMS" on the side of it. Atypicaloracle 05:33, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

That's what I was thinking when I saw it too. :D - Mr. Wolf 13:19, 26 August 2011 (CDT)

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It's easier with this information

I created this topic 2 months earlier

on the official wikia of Deus Ex

=> http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Deus_Ex:_Human_Revolution_weapons

cordialy,

ironintheskin from deusexwikia

Well, if that whole block in the middle is the magazine rather than a flip-up loading port then it's certainly not a bullpup; given the shot on your Wiki shows the rear face of the magazine is flat, it must be feeding from in front of the trigger group. Vangelis2 12:35, 12 March 2011 (MSK)

- Yup, picked up my copy today. It's not a bullpup, even if it looks like one externally, since the mag seems to be loaded facing either forwards or up, not backwards; that puts the feed location in front of the trigger group. Also, I got the collector's edition, which means the game threw a huge bucket of free stuff at me as soon as I started the second level, and I got a "collectable" Adam Jenson figure. I guess in case I want to start a collection of many Adam Jensons. Evil Tim 07:19, 26 August 2011 (CDT)

- - Also, the revolver in this game may have won the title of "best videogame revolver ever." Even with the really strange side-break frame. It shoots mini-grenades! :D Evil Tim 12:51, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

Oooooh *3*. I just bought the game a while back but I can't play it because my computer's handware is totally screwed up. If I play ANY game my graphics card grinds and sputters louder than a freight train and my PC COMPLETELY dies within 5 mins! And even if I've had my PC on for a couple of minutes, the graphics card becomes too hot to touch! So I'm soon gonna be receiving my new "gaming rig" soon. :) btw, did you you find a real life bases for the the in-game revolver? I have the version of it in TF2 and it kinda looks like a furturized S&W 686 revolver. - Mr. Wolf 15:26, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

I used to have that with my CPU fan (turned out it wasn't actually touching the CPU) and my current graphics card seems to pack up if it's run under high strain (but that's talking the biggest Borderlands areas on the highest settings and 1980x1080 or Crysis with the settings jacked to "stupid"). Then again, I got this for PS3 rather than PC, and it still looks pretty fantastic, even if the pre-rendered cutcenes seem to be at a lower resolution than the actual game runs at. The Revolver, no, I'd say it's a little too out there to call a real-life basis. Evil Tim 04:37, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

The "highest straining" game I've been playing on my PC is TF2, :D it grinds and sputters even when I'm not even doing anything on it . I already know the Diamondback is "a little too out there" I said so down there. :D - Mr. Wolf 05:20, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

Also, I'm guessing the redesign of the heavy rifle was the usual poses / hand positions issue (ie, the Law of Conservation of Animation). Changing it to a more conventional layout means you don't have to figure out how to make Jensen blind-fire or crouch with a chainsaw-grip minigun. Evil Tim 05:45, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

Game developers always do what's easier for themselves. :D - Mr. Wolf 15:30, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

Revolver?

I know that there's a large frame revolver in this game from the trailers, its obviously the "magnum". From the wiki its called the diamond back .357.

"The Diamond Back .357 is a .357 magnum revolver made by Mustang Arms Ad-Tech Ltd. This revolver is really innovative, it uses an ingenious revolving cylinder magazine and a hybrid cartridge system to combine reloading speed with reliability and accommodate multiple ammo types."

It has a 5, 6, or 7 round cylinder/magazine(?)

The Diamondback to me looks like a furturized S&W 629 revolver or a similar S&W revolver. - Mr. Wolf 15:29, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

Never mind, I just looked at it on the wiki and it does not seem to be based on any known revolver design except for the fact it's a stainless steel revolver, silly me. :D It is a cool revolver design btw, the only real bizarre thing about the design is it has no rear sight?!. - Mr. Wolf 15:44, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, it really doesn't. I'm not entirely sure why, he just sights it with the front one only and this is supposed to count as aiming it. I guess you could BS it and claim his augments mean he only needs one reference point to aim since the known position of his hand is the other, but the game never says anything like that so it just qualifies as 'I can invent a way for this to make sense' excuse-making. Evil Tim 16:07, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

Deleted guns that aren't real

Hybrid weapons don't count on this page. Either put them here or post about guns that exist in the real world. Excalibur01 17:39, 7 October 2011 (CDT)

I think those mostly pass the FEAR 2 test for "X with bits of a Y," maybe not the rifle so much. That's what we've usually used as a yardstick for these things. Evil Tim 17:54, 7 October 2011 (CDT)

That's why I deleted the pistol because it doesn't count. The rest I left, are debatable, but they appear more like the real world counter part more than then others Excalibur01 17:59, 7 October 2011 (CDT)

Unknown thingy

I am too tired to search (plus have absolutely no clue) so please help:

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Thank you. --bozitojugg3rn4ut 15:16, 8 December 2011 (CST)

Looks like a muzzle cup for launching gas/stun/smoke grenades (the top of the grenade is sticking out the end). Don't know the particular model though. --commando552 15:26, 8 December 2011 (CST)

I recall an old episode of Tales of the Gun that talked about non-lethal weaponry, and one of them was a ring launcher. Basically, it's like a beanbag gun, but with more predictable ballistics. I'll try to verify. --Funkychinaman 16:17, 8 December 2011 (CST)

Bingo. --Funkychinaman 16:22, 8 December 2011 (CST)

Unfortunately that isn't what is here, as the attachment in question is on the centre axis of the barrel, as opposed to the M234 RAP launcher which is offset above the barrel. Also, in the screencap I'm fairly sure that you can see the fuse of some kind of grenade sticking out the top of the launching cup. --commando552 16:30, 8 December 2011 (CST)

Is this real footage or staged? From what country? --Funkychinaman 16:33, 8 December 2011 (CST)

I believe the soldiers are (or are supposed to be if it is staged) Israeli, as they are wearing the newer IDF assault vests with the detachable backpack. --commando552 16:50, 8 December 2011 (CST)

Also, judging by the profile and the launching cup and the narrow look of the grenade at the top, it looks like it could be for launching those spherical Israeli tear gas grenades (Think they are made by Defence Technology). --commando552 17:09, 8 December 2011 (CST)

Very old topic, but just found this image whilst searching for something else and though I should post it here as it clears this up somewhat. It shows an Israeli civilian police officer with this launching cup attached to his rifle and it appears to be a perfect match. I also found out that the grenades that they use are the CTS Outdoor 92 Series. However, the only launchers that CTS make for these are for 12 gauge shotguns and I've had no luck looking for them made by anyone else. My guess is that they are locally made in Israel to be compatible with their standard ARs (most people would only launch these with shotguns). As for what the rifle is, in this image I have found it is a bit odd as although the upper receiver is not entirely visible the position of the sight would indicate that it is a flat top (here is an image of one being fired, and here of one being loaded, both attached to a flat top carbine), but there is no grenade step visible on the rear portion of the barrel as would be the case with an M4. Israel is notorious for mixing and matching their carbine parts though, so my guess is that it is an M4 fitted with a 13" Menusar barrel (or possible a 14.5" Katsar/653 one), like the one in the foreground here. I imagine the reason for this is probably that the launching cup is only compatible with the old, pencil profile barrel that was on the older A1 upper carbines (there are images such as this of them being used on the older carbines), so in order to use them on the the newer flat-top rifles they had to use the old barrel. --commando552 (talk) 11:42, 24 January 2015 (EST)

Unknown APC

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I have no idea what the vehicle is but the MG looks Browning-ish... - bozitojugg3rn4ut 09:18, 12 December 2011 (CST)

M113 APC - Is a Browning M2, yes. Looks like they also have side gunshields like the ACAV version used in Vietnam, though they don't seem to actually have guns mounted in them. Evil Tim 09:23, 12 December 2011 (CST)

Somehow I knew you will know the answer. XD bozitojugg3rn4ut 10:35, 12 December 2011 (CST)

So, are you going to be trying to do all the guns on book covers, too? Evil Tim 10:51, 12 December 2011 (CST)

Will try. But I don't actually remember any guns on book covers, only on posters. I will need some more time to play tru the game again, because work is picking up and currently I am working about 90 hrs each week. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 11:50, 12 December 2011 (CST)

There's quite a few lying around, especially in Jensen's apartment in Detroit. Here's one on Sarif's desk, for a start. Evil Tim 12:10, 12 December 2011 (CST)

FR-27

Think I've found what they based it on:

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DMAG K1 less-lethal launcher - 18mm

Looks like the company that made this is out of business, searching around they were apparently marketing it as a paintball gun and a less-lethal launcher at the same time. Evil Tim (talk) 09:38, 25 November 2013 (EST)

I believe that this was actually manufactured by a company called MCM, DMAG just marketed as a less-lethal launcher. From what I can find, the design of this was not finalised until early 2011 (the above image is from MCM's announcement that they had finished the design in March 2011), and if nothing else the Deus Ex rifle can be seen in its final form at least as early as the E3 trailer from June 2010, so my guess is that MCM coppied the Deus Ex gun (or the grip at least) rather than the other way round. --commando552 (talk) 12:13, 24 January 2015 (EST)

Overall appearance of the in-game weapon is apparently close to the VHS-D2. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:38, 31 January 2015 (EST)

Seeing as how the VHS-2 did not exist until 2013 this would be pure coincidence. You could argue that it is similar to the VHS-1, but at that point you might as well say that it is based on the FAMAS. --commando552 (talk) 12:06, 31 January 2015 (EST)

Eh right, I forgot that this variant is that new. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:33, 31 January 2015 (EST)

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+="Fictional" Weapons=
+==Steiner-Bisley Zenith==
+The Zenith is a polymer semi-automatic 10mm pistol developed by a fictional German weapon manufacturer, Steiner-Bisley. It is equipped with a R.I.S. and has a 10-round magazine. The Zenith can accept the suppressor and laser aiming module mods, and has a unique mod allowing it to fire armour-piercing bullets. It appears to be a "futurised" [[M1911]]-based pistol, with aesthetics similar to the [[Walther P99]].
+[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|World War II issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP]]
+[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
+[[Image:DEHR-P-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| The Zenith pistol.]]
+[[Image:DEHR-P-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| Jensen holding a Zenith pistol in the game, fitted with the suppressor and armour piercing mods.]]
+==Stasiuk Arms Hurricane TMP-18==
+The Hurricane TMP-18 (Tactical Machine Pistol Model 18) is a fully-automatic submachine gun made by Stasiuk Arms, Inc. It fires 9mm bullets from a 30-round magazine which can be upgraded to hold more. The gun is based on a mixture of the [[Steyr TMP]] (Overall shape, forward angled vertical foregrip, and magazine in grip orientation)  and the [[Heckler & Koch MP5]] ( MP5A3 styled buttstock, receiver design, and sight design). In addition the charging handle is on the top and seems to be based on the [[Uzi]]'s charging handle and the handguard is borrowed from the [[Z-M LR 300]] assault rifle. It can be upgraded with the aforementioned hi-cap magazines and a compensator to reduce recoil.
+[[Image:SteyrTMP.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Steyr TMP - 9x19mm]]
+[[Image:MP5A3 StockCollapsed.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 - 9x19mm]]
+[[Image:DEHR-TMP-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| The TMP-18 SMG.]]
+[[Image:DEHR-TMP-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| Firing the TMP-18.]]
+[[Image:DEHR-TMP-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| Reloading the TMP-18.]]
+[[Image:DEHR-TMP-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| Fedorova shooting with dual-wielded TMP-18s in a trailer.]]
+[[Image:DEHR-TMP-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| The futuristic compensator can be seen above the barrel.]]
+==Steiner-Bisley FR-27 SFR==
+The FR-27 SFR (Sanction Flechette Rifle) is an assault rifle based on the [[Magpul PDR]], with a carrying handle/top-rail similar to the [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|H&K G36C]]'s. In the game's fiction, it was developed by the Düsseldorf-based arms manufacturer Steiner-Bisley. It fires flechette rounds, much like the [[Steyr ACR]].
+The FR-27 features an unusual break-open loading action similar to the hinged upper of an AR-15 pattern rifle, with the magazine (or possibly en-bloc clip) inserted into the open body of the weapon just in front of the trigger group and seemingly feeding upwards. This means that despite appearances, the weapon does not in fact have a bullpup layout. The structure under the barrel which appears to be a launcher actually serves as the rather oversized housing for the weapon's laser aiming module mod.
+[[File:MagpulPDR.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A more recent model of the Magpul PDR - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
+[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
+[[Image:DEHR-FR27-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| The FR-27.]]
+[[Image:DEHR-FR27-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| Jensen holding the FR-27 assault rifle.]]
+[[Image:DEHR-FR27-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| Concept art showing Adam Jensen in his apartment with the FR-27 rifle and the Zenith pistol.]]
+[[Image:DEHR-FR27-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px| The FR-27 in first person.]]
+=Discussion=
 I never played any of the other Deus Ex games but this looks interesting. I'm curious to see how this game turns out. But one question: The Hurricane TMP-18, it looks more like a modified Uzi with a stock of a MP5 then a Steyr TMP. I might be looking at it wrong and I might not be the BEST expert when it comes to weapons, but it doesn't look like its based on a Steyr TMP. [[User:SeanWolf]]
 :I don't know, the Uzi does not have a fore-grip, that is why I wrote the TMP. Could be maybe the MP9 but that is technically a TMP. I'm not an expert either, but I think it is closer to the TMP/MP9 design. Anyways, someone with more "skill" with decide. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 23:46, 9 March 2011 (MSK)
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 ::::Hm, wow this is tricky. It looks like a heavily modified PGM Ultima Ratio Commando. [[File:PGMURCom.jpg]] [[User:SeanWolf]]
+:It seems to have the gas tube of an AS50, but the rest, eh. Looks like a real guess-the-components Frankengun. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:36, 10 March 2011 (MSK)
+::Addition: The final game's model looks nothing like that anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:49, 31 August 2011 (CDT)
+== "Bullpup assault rifle." ==
+Seen an image of this thing in a magazine, and, well, I'm not entirely sure it's actually a bullpup.
+[[Image:DeusExHRNotBullpup.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+It looks more like some kind of weird en-bloc setup, a bit like most of the guns in ''Battlefield 2142'' used. The "adaptable ammo" I'd guess is for the underbarrel launcher, though it's so long it'd stick clear of the front of it. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:58, 10 March 2011 (MSK)
+:I have found a video in which we can see the reloading animation of the gun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAXOTugQGvs&feature=related (Note: the audio quality is piece of sh*t.) The reload can be seen after 08:05. Jensen inserts the mag above the trigger, like you do with the P90. As far as I know the P90 is a bullpup weapon so I think this one can be too. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:05, 10 March 2011 (MSK)
+::Yeah, but the actual feed location of the P90 is way behind the trigger, which is at the front of the weapon; the same goes for the G11, which has the back of the magazine inside the stock. This one, the magazine is inserted right on top of the trigger group and the feed location would be in front of it, meaning it isn't a bullpup, just an unusual layout. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 15:00, 10 March 2011 (MSK)
+:::If you are right and the feed loc is in the front of the rifle, then the barrel must be like 5 inch long... The game takes place in 2027 so could be. I will remove the "bullpup" from the main page. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 17:19, 10 March 2011 (MSK)
+::::Well, unless it feeds from the rear of the flip-up loading port, and we'd need a much clearer video to say which way around the magazine / en-block clip is when he puts it into the weapon (one with the first-person reload would be nice); this, of course, operates under the assumption that they're trying to make the weapon workable rather than just cool-looking (BF2142 just threw around some BS excuse about "highly compressed ammo" to explain why a pistol-sized magazine could hold dozens of assault rifle rounds; perhaps they'll use the traditional series fallback of "it was nanomachines" as they did with ''DE: Invisible War's'' universal ammo). There does look to be something resembling an ejection port on the stock (presumably blanked off since Adam's wouldn't be lefty-configured), but I'm not sure that's what it is. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 17:39, 10 March 2011 (MSK)
+That thing could only look more like a Masamune Shirow design (see "Ghost in the Shell") if it said "SEBURU ARMS" on the side of it. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:33, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
+:That's what I was thinking when I saw it too. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:19, 26 August 2011 (CDT)
+_______________________________________
+It's easier with this information
+I created this topic 2 months earlier
+on the official wikia of Deus Ex
+=> http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Deus_Ex:_Human_Revolution_weapons
+cordialy,
+ ironintheskin from deusexwikia
+*Well, if that whole block in the middle is the magazine rather than a flip-up loading port then it's certainly ''not'' a bullpup; given the shot on your Wiki shows the rear face of the magazine is flat, it must be feeding from in front of the trigger group. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 12:35, 12 March 2011 (MSK)
+**Yup, picked up my copy today. It's not a bullpup, even if it looks like one externally, since the mag seems to be loaded facing either forwards or up, not backwards; that puts the feed location in front of the trigger group. Also, I got the collector's edition, which means the game threw a huge bucket of free stuff at me as soon as I started the second level, and I got a "collectable" Adam Jenson figure. I guess in case I want to start a collection of many Adam Jensons. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:19, 26 August 2011 (CDT)
+***Also, the revolver in this game may have won the title of "best videogame revolver ever." Even with the really strange side-break frame. ''It shoots mini-grenades!'' :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:51, 31 August 2011 (CDT)
+:::Oooooh *3*. I just bought the game a while back but I can't play it because my computer's handware is totally screwed up. If I play ANY game my graphics card grinds and sputters louder than a freight train and my PC COMPLETELY dies within 5 mins! And even if I've had my PC on for a couple of minutes, the graphics card becomes too hot to touch! So I'm soon gonna be receiving my new "gaming rig" soon. :)  btw, did you you find a real life bases for the the in-game revolver? I have the version of it in TF2 and it kinda looks like a furturized S&W 686 revolver. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:26, 31 August 2011 (CDT)
+::::I used to have that with my CPU fan (turned out it wasn't actually touching the CPU) and my current graphics card seems to pack up if it's run under high strain (but that's talking the biggest Borderlands areas on the highest settings and 1980x1080 or Crysis with the settings jacked to "stupid"). Then again, I got this for PS3 rather than PC, and it still looks pretty fantastic, even if the pre-rendered cutcenes seem to be at a lower resolution than the actual game runs at. The Revolver, no, I'd say it's a little too out there to call a real-life basis. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:37, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
+:::::The "highest straining" game I've been playing on my PC is TF2, :D it grinds and sputters even when I'm not even doing anything on it . I already know the Diamondback is "a little too out there" I said so down there. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:20, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
+Also, I'm guessing the redesign of the heavy rifle was the usual poses / hand positions issue (ie, the Law of Conservation of Animation). Changing it to a more conventional layout means you don't have to figure out how to make Jensen blind-fire or crouch with a chainsaw-grip minigun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:45, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
+:Game developers always do what's easier for themselves. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:30, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
+== Revolver? ==
+I know that there's a large frame revolver in this game from the trailers, its obviously the "magnum". From the wiki its called the diamond back .357.
+"The Diamond Back .357 is a .357 magnum revolver made by Mustang Arms Ad-Tech Ltd. This revolver is really innovative, it uses an ingenious revolving cylinder magazine and a hybrid cartridge system to combine reloading speed with reliability and accommodate multiple ammo types."
+It has a 5, 6, or 7 round cylinder/magazine(?)
+:The Diamondback to me looks like a furturized S&W 629 revolver or a similar S&W revolver. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:29, 31 August 2011 (CDT)
+::Never mind, I just looked at it on the wiki and it does not seem to be based on any known revolver design except for the fact it's a stainless steel revolver, silly me. :D It is a cool revolver design btw, the only real bizarre thing about the design is it has no rear sight?!. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:44, 31 August 2011 (CDT)
+:::Yeah, it really doesn't. I'm not entirely sure why, he just sights it with the front one only and this is supposed to count as aiming it. I guess you could BS it and claim his augments mean he only needs one reference point to aim since the known position of his hand is the other, but the game never says anything like that so it just qualifies as 'I can invent a way for this to make sense' excuse-making. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:07, 31 August 2011 (CDT)
+== Deleted guns that aren't real ==
+Hybrid weapons don't count on this page. Either put them here or post about guns that exist in the real world. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:39, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
+:I think those mostly pass the FEAR 2 test for "X with bits of a Y," maybe not the rifle so much. That's what we've usually used as a yardstick for these things. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:54, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
+That's why I deleted the pistol because it doesn't count. The rest I left, are debatable, but they appear more like the real world counter part more than then others [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:59, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
+== Unknown thingy ==
+I am too tired to search (plus have absolutely no clue) so please help:
+[[Image:DEHR-AR15.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
+Thank you. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:16, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+:Looks like a muzzle cup for launching gas/stun/smoke grenades (the top of the grenade is sticking out the end). Don't know the particular model though.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:26, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+::I recall an old episode of Tales of the Gun that talked about non-lethal weaponry, and one of them was a ring launcher. Basically, it's like a beanbag gun, but with more predictable ballistics. I'll try to verify. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:17, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M234_launcher Bingo.] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:22, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+::::Unfortunately that isn't what is here, as the attachment in question is on the centre axis of the barrel, as opposed to the M234 RAP launcher which is offset above the barrel. Also, in the screencap I'm fairly sure that you can see the fuse of some kind of grenade sticking out the top of the launching cup.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:30, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+::Is this real footage or staged? From what country? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:33, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+:::I believe the soldiers are (or are supposed to be if it is staged) Israeli, as they are wearing the newer IDF assault vests with the detachable backpack.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:50, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+:::Also, judging by the profile and the launching cup and the narrow look of the grenade at the top, it looks like it could be for launching those [http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1288/4711529478_6ff1c8efb1_b.jpg spherical Israeli tear gas grenades] (Think they are made by [http://www.defense-technology.com/products.aspx?pid=1092 Defence Technology]).  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:09, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+::::Very old topic, but just found [http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/israeli-soldier-tear-gas-grenade-launcher-23888916.jpg this image] whilst searching for something else and though I should post it here as it clears this up somewhat. It shows an Israeli civilian police officer with this launching cup attached to his rifle and it appears to be a perfect match. I also found out that the grenades that they use are the [https://www.combinedsystems.com/products/?cid=70 CTS Outdoor 92 Series]. However, the only launchers that CTS make for these are for 12 gauge shotguns and I've had no luck looking for them made by anyone else. My guess is that they are locally made in Israel to be compatible with their standard ARs (most people would only launch these with shotguns). As for what the rifle is, in this image I have found it is a bit odd as although the upper receiver is not entirely visible the position of the sight would indicate that it is a flat top ([http://rt.com/files/news/1e/21/e0/00/000_nic6192637.jpg here] is an image of one being fired, and [http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/484085745-an-israeli-border-guard-loads-a-comrades-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXtuUquJHYy2pAtHkbD259fbF5Gfej96YoTNrFhDXrJES here] of one being loaded, both attached to a flat top carbine), but there is no grenade step visible on the rear portion of the barrel as would be the case with an M4. Israel is notorious for mixing and matching their carbine parts though, so my guess is that it is an M4 fitted with a 13" Menusar barrel (or possible a 14.5" Katsar/653 one), like the one in the foreground [https://idfcarbine.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/women-from-idf-recon-unit.jpg?w=848 here]. I imagine the reason for this is probably that the launching cup is only compatible with the old, pencil profile barrel that was on the older A1 upper carbines (there are images such as [http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.335753.1294393782!/image/2741673874.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/2741673874.jpg this] of them being used on the older carbines), so in order to use them on the the newer flat-top rifles they had to use the old barrel.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:42, 24 January 2015 (EST)
+== Unknown APC ==
+[[Image:DEHR-APC.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
+I have no idea what the vehicle is but the MG looks Browning-ish... - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:18, 12 December 2011 (CST)
+: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113_armored_personnel_carrier M113 APC] - Is a Browning M2, yes. Looks like they also have side gunshields like the [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Armored_cavalry_assault_vehicle.jpg ACAV] version used in Vietnam, though they don't seem to actually have guns mounted in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:23, 12 December 2011 (CST)
+Somehow I knew you will know the answer. XD [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:35, 12 December 2011 (CST)
+:So, are you going to be trying to do all the guns on book covers, too? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:51, 12 December 2011 (CST)
+::Will try. But I don't actually remember any guns on book covers, only on posters. I will need some more time to play tru the game again, because work is picking up and currently I am working about 90 hrs each week. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:50, 12 December 2011 (CST)
+:::There's quite a few lying around, especially in Jensen's apartment in Detroit. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-26_00006.jpg Here's one on Sarif's desk, for a start]. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:10, 12 December 2011 (CST)
+== FR-27 ==
+Think I've found what they based it on:
+[[Image:DEHR-FR27-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|FR-27.]]
+[[Image:DMAG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|DMAG K1 less-lethal launcher - 18mm]]
+Looks like the company that made this is out of business, searching around they were apparently marketing it as a paintball gun and a less-lethal launcher at the same time. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:38, 25 November 2013 (EST)
+:I believe that this was actually manufactured by a company called MCM, DMAG just marketed as a less-lethal launcher. From what I can find, the design of this was not finalised until early 2011 (the above image is from [http://www.greyops.net/2011/03/new-mcm-k1-pics.html MCM's announcement that they had finished the design in March 2011]), and if nothing else the Deus Ex rifle can be seen in its final form at least as early as the [http://youtu.be/i6JTvzrpBy0?t=2m41s E3 trailer] from June 2010, so my guess is that MCM coppied the Deus Ex gun (or the grip at least) rather than the other way round.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:13, 24 January 2015 (EST)
+Overall appearance of the in-game weapon is apparently close to the [[HS Produkt VHS|VHS-D2]]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:38, 31 January 2015 (EST)
+:Seeing as how the VHS-2 did not exist until 2013 this would be pure coincidence. You could argue that it is similar to the [http://www.hs-produkt.hr/en/vhs-d1-2/ VHS-1], but at that point you might as well say that it is based on the [[FAMAS]].  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:06, 31 January 2015 (EST)
+::Eh right, I forgot that this variant is that new. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:33, 31 January 2015 (EST)

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"Fictional" Weapons

Steiner-Bisley Zenith

Stasiuk Arms Hurricane TMP-18

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"Fictional" Weapons

Steiner-Bisley Zenith

Stasiuk Arms Hurricane TMP-18

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"Bullpup assault rifle."

Revolver?

Deleted guns that aren't real

Unknown thingy

Unknown APC

FR-27

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