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I agree with Jimmoy, definetley a CP1 --SmithandWesson36 20:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC) | I agree with Jimmoy, definetley a CP1 --SmithandWesson36 20:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
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I thought the 226 had either the DA/SA standard or DAK (Double Action Kellerman,evidenced by the shorter hammer/no spur), setups only. I could be mistaken. - Peejn8r | I thought the 226 had either the DA/SA standard or DAK (Double Action Kellerman,evidenced by the shorter hammer/no spur), setups only. I could be mistaken. - Peejn8r | ||
I love my Sig but honestly limiting a DA/SA gun to DAO seems dumb to | |||
I love my Sig but honestly limiting a DA/SA gun to DAO seems dumb to me because its not designed for it. Case in point Beretta 96D. Basically a Double Action Only M9 in .40, has a heavy trigger and also massively long pull. Especially when Glock and the alike, XD M&P p99, have a similar feeling setup with way better trigger pulls. - Peejn8r | |||
:Could someone please enlighten me as to why Police Departments are switching over to DAO? I dont see what is wrong with DA/SA, and I personally cant stand DAO, with the longer trigger pull each time. Sorry if I come off as ignorant, as there is probably a good reason.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC) | :Could someone please enlighten me as to why Police Departments are switching over to DAO? I dont see what is wrong with DA/SA, and I personally cant stand DAO, with the longer trigger pull each time. Sorry if I come off as ignorant, as there is probably a good reason.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
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I can't speak for Chicago but my PD went to DAO or striker fired only to keep the manual of arms the same. That way if another person had to use another persons firearm for some reason it is a consistant trigger pull. I personally prefer DA/SA for my firearms but having a consistant trigger pull has its merits. --[[User:Ram229|Ram229]] 01:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC) | I can't speak for Chicago but my PD went to DAO or striker fired only to keep the manual of arms the same. That way if another person had to use another persons firearm for some reason it is a consistant trigger pull. I personally prefer DA/SA for my firearms but having a consistant trigger pull has its merits. --[[User:Ram229|Ram229]] 01:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
Thats pretty much it... The idea behind DAO is not so much if another officer gets the weapon but for the training. With the DAO pattern the trigger pull is identical everytime. The problem with a DAO system is the massive long trigger pull making it | Thats pretty much it... The idea behind DAO is not so much if another officer gets the weapon but for the training. With the DAO pattern the trigger pull is identical everytime. The problem with a DAO system is the massive long trigger pull making it hard to double tap accurately. The advantage of a striker fired weapon is the identical trigger pull of a DAO system without the massively long pull. I think with a DAO Beretta the pull is like 12 pounds everytime. The pull on a Glock is supposed to be 5.5, Huge difference. Personally I prefer the DA/SA setup, or even Cocked and Locked Single Action. - Peejn8r | ||
:Thanks for the responses. But I don't see why the trigger pull should be the same every time. It is after the first shot on DA/SA, and if the argument is to make sure the Police don't accidentally shoot someone then the trigger would still be the same as on the first shot on DA/SA. If they need to fire again (i.e. a shootout maybe?) then it would be better to have a responsive trigger, right? Again, I don't mean to come off as arrogant or anything and I apologize if I do.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 01:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC) | :Thanks for the responses. But I don't see why the trigger pull should be the same every time. It is after the first shot on DA/SA, and if the argument is to make sure the Police don't accidentally shoot someone then the trigger would still be the same as on the first shot on DA/SA. If they need to fire again (i.e. a shootout maybe?) then it would be better to have a responsive trigger, right? Again, I don't mean to come off as arrogant or anything and I apologize if I do.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 01:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
It has more to do with the training aspect. When a larger dept authorizes several different guns for carry instead of actually issuing a particular firearm training is the only thing the PD can control. Imagine being in charge of the PD fireamrs unit or armorer and having to train every officer on multiple different platforms. When my dept changed over to the M&P after having a DA/SA SW99 the cert officer kept forgetting and saying "decock and holster." Now imagine if he forgot to say "decock and holster" and we were still carrying our DA/SA guns. After awhile officers might start carrying in SA mode only. If all the guns are DAO systems or striker fired like Glocks there is no worry about messing up and causing an unsafe practice from developing. Not to mention having to emply someone to keep track of all the different platforms would be just plain unreasonable. As far as a misfire or 2nd strike for DA/SA firearms, most depts that I have worked with and for train to clear misfires before pulling the trigger again. My dept actually induces them to help officers practice the "clear, move and then engage the threat" typ of scenario.--[[User:Ram229|Ram229]] 22:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
Not only that but the Striker-fired weapon is able to have the internal safeties to prevent the gun from "negligent"/accidental discharge with the advantage of a light trigger pull. Because the first shot is often the most crucial shot, the shortened/lighter trigger pull allows for less chance of trigger yank under stress.-Peejn8r | |||
Striker-fired weapons, many of which are now using polymer frames, are also cheaper and lighter and arguably as durable. Losing a few ounces is always nice on a gun belt full of heavy gear. And Cost, a Sig Classic (220, 226, 229) will run around 700 dollars, whereas a glock will go for 400-500 (Police Department Prices). - [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]] | |||
To answer the original question, the DAK versions lack the decocker lever and the hammer spur, yes, but there are standard DA/SA models that are converted to DAO, and they are usually, if not always, missing the decocker lever while retaining the hammer spur, so seeing spur hammers does not necessarily mean the guns are not DAO, but if you see a decocker on the gun, it's probably a standard DA/SA model. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 00:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
A former CPD officer I know told me that as of 2012, the SIG-Sauer is no longer approved for carry. I edited that on Wikipedia, and dispite not citing it, it is still there. Perhaps it was confirmed? Can anyone clarify this? [[User:Glock172|Glock172]] 12:55, 12 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
== Unknown Holdup gun== | |||
The gun used to hold up Alderman Gibbons in episode 4 looks like a small caliber Beretta like a Jetfire or Bobcat maybe a 1934- [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]] | |||
I'm going with Cheetah [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
== SIG P226R == | |||
The Sig p226R seems to be an airsoft replica, the markings are white and pronounced like airsoft guns marketed by KJWorks. --[[User:CosmoRenfro|CosmoRenfro]] 12:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 20:09, 28 July 2023
Unknown gun
While I am rewatching the first 2 episodes, can someone ID this gun for me. It appeared in the opening chase scene in the first episode
I may be wrong, but that looks like a Vektor CP1 to me. The shape looks right, I can't think of any other pistol with a partly red trigger, and I think I can just about make out the Vektor logo on the grip. Jimmoy 12:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Jimmoy, definetley a CP1 --SmithandWesson36 20:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Deleted my images
I want to know why was 2 images of the SIG I capped were deleted and I had to repost them Excalibur01 05:27, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Accidentally deleted those while trying to add another pic. My bad. -Peejn8r
Carry guns
So if the posted trivia about the Chicago Police department is correct... The 226 Caleb Evers carries would not be allowed because it is a DA/SA, as evidenced by the hammer spur on his 226, instead of the DAK pattern that would be required? - Peejn8r
I thought the 226 can also be in DAO Excalibur01 03:25, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I thought the 226 had either the DA/SA standard or DAK (Double Action Kellerman,evidenced by the shorter hammer/no spur), setups only. I could be mistaken. - Peejn8r
I love my Sig but honestly limiting a DA/SA gun to DAO seems dumb to me because its not designed for it. Case in point Beretta 96D. Basically a Double Action Only M9 in .40, has a heavy trigger and also massively long pull. Especially when Glock and the alike, XD M&P p99, have a similar feeling setup with way better trigger pulls. - Peejn8r
- Could someone please enlighten me as to why Police Departments are switching over to DAO? I dont see what is wrong with DA/SA, and I personally cant stand DAO, with the longer trigger pull each time. Sorry if I come off as ignorant, as there is probably a good reason.----JazzBlackBelt-- 04:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I can't speak for Chicago but my PD went to DAO or striker fired only to keep the manual of arms the same. That way if another person had to use another persons firearm for some reason it is a consistant trigger pull. I personally prefer DA/SA for my firearms but having a consistant trigger pull has its merits. --Ram229 01:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Thats pretty much it... The idea behind DAO is not so much if another officer gets the weapon but for the training. With the DAO pattern the trigger pull is identical everytime. The problem with a DAO system is the massive long trigger pull making it hard to double tap accurately. The advantage of a striker fired weapon is the identical trigger pull of a DAO system without the massively long pull. I think with a DAO Beretta the pull is like 12 pounds everytime. The pull on a Glock is supposed to be 5.5, Huge difference. Personally I prefer the DA/SA setup, or even Cocked and Locked Single Action. - Peejn8r
- Thanks for the responses. But I don't see why the trigger pull should be the same every time. It is after the first shot on DA/SA, and if the argument is to make sure the Police don't accidentally shoot someone then the trigger would still be the same as on the first shot on DA/SA. If they need to fire again (i.e. a shootout maybe?) then it would be better to have a responsive trigger, right? Again, I don't mean to come off as arrogant or anything and I apologize if I do.----JazzBlackBelt-- 01:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
It has more to do with the training aspect. When a larger dept authorizes several different guns for carry instead of actually issuing a particular firearm training is the only thing the PD can control. Imagine being in charge of the PD fireamrs unit or armorer and having to train every officer on multiple different platforms. When my dept changed over to the M&P after having a DA/SA SW99 the cert officer kept forgetting and saying "decock and holster." Now imagine if he forgot to say "decock and holster" and we were still carrying our DA/SA guns. After awhile officers might start carrying in SA mode only. If all the guns are DAO systems or striker fired like Glocks there is no worry about messing up and causing an unsafe practice from developing. Not to mention having to emply someone to keep track of all the different platforms would be just plain unreasonable. As far as a misfire or 2nd strike for DA/SA firearms, most depts that I have worked with and for train to clear misfires before pulling the trigger again. My dept actually induces them to help officers practice the "clear, move and then engage the threat" typ of scenario.--Ram229 22:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Not only that but the Striker-fired weapon is able to have the internal safeties to prevent the gun from "negligent"/accidental discharge with the advantage of a light trigger pull. Because the first shot is often the most crucial shot, the shortened/lighter trigger pull allows for less chance of trigger yank under stress.-Peejn8r
Striker-fired weapons, many of which are now using polymer frames, are also cheaper and lighter and arguably as durable. Losing a few ounces is always nice on a gun belt full of heavy gear. And Cost, a Sig Classic (220, 226, 229) will run around 700 dollars, whereas a glock will go for 400-500 (Police Department Prices). - Peejn8r
To answer the original question, the DAK versions lack the decocker lever and the hammer spur, yes, but there are standard DA/SA models that are converted to DAO, and they are usually, if not always, missing the decocker lever while retaining the hammer spur, so seeing spur hammers does not necessarily mean the guns are not DAO, but if you see a decocker on the gun, it's probably a standard DA/SA model. --Yournamehere 00:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
A former CPD officer I know told me that as of 2012, the SIG-Sauer is no longer approved for carry. I edited that on Wikipedia, and dispite not citing it, it is still there. Perhaps it was confirmed? Can anyone clarify this? Glock172 12:55, 12 May 2012 (CDT)
Unknown Holdup gun
The gun used to hold up Alderman Gibbons in episode 4 looks like a small caliber Beretta like a Jetfire or Bobcat maybe a 1934- Peejn8r
I'm going with Cheetah Excalibur01 20:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
SIG P226R
The Sig p226R seems to be an airsoft replica, the markings are white and pronounced like airsoft guns marketed by KJWorks. --CosmoRenfro 12:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)