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'''The following firearms were used in the movie ''The Abyss:''
{{Infobox Movie|The Abyss
|name = ''The Abyss''
|picture = The Abyss-poster.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = [[James Cameron]]
|date= 1989
|language = English
|studio=Carolco Pictures
|distributor=Carolco Pictures
|character1=Virgil "Bud" Brigman
|actor1=[[Ed Harris]]
|character2=Lindsey Brigman
|actor2=[[Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio]]
|character3=Lt. Hiram Coffey
|actor3=[[Michael Biehn]]
|character4=Catfish De Vries
|actor4=[[Leo Burmester]]
|character5=Alan "Hippy" Carnes
|actor5=[[Todd Graff]]
|character6=Jammer Willis
|actor6=[[John Bedford Lloyd]]
|character7=Sonny Dawson
|actor7=[[J.C. Quinn]]
|character8=Lisa "One Night" Standing
|actor8=Kimberly Scott
|character9=Ensign Monk
|actor9=[[Adam Nelson]]
|character10=Schoenick
|actor10=Christopher Murphy
}}


[[Image:The Abyss-poster.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''The Abyss'' (1989)]]
 
 
{{Film Title|The Abyss}}
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==MAC-10==
=Handguns=
When he suspects a threat to the nuclear warhead, Navy SEAL Lt. Hiram Coffey ([[Michael Biehn]]) takes out a [[MAC-10]] with a detachable barrel extension and gives it to Fellow SEAL Schoenick (Christopher Murphy).
[[Image:Ingram MAC 10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Abyss01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Schoenick (Christopher Murphy) chambers the MAC-10 as Lt. Coffey looks on.]]
[[Image:Abyss02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shoenick holds the MAC-10 while Coffey holds a SIG.]]
 
==SIG-Sauer P226==
==SIG-Sauer P226==
Navy SEAL Lieutenant Hiram Coffey ([[Michael Biehn]]) carries a 9x19mm [[SIG-Sauer P226]] as his sidearm.  At the time of the film's release, the P226 had just started to replace the [[Beretta M9]] as the standard-issue sidearm of the U.S. Navy SEAL teams; thus, ''[[The Abyss]]'' is quite likely the first movie ever to depict the SIG's use by SEALs.


Lt. Hiram Coffey ([[Michael Biehn]]) carries a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] 9mm, the standard issue pistol for the U.S. Navy SEALs.
''TRIVIA: According to the screenplay, this weapon was originally supposed to be a ".45", presumably a [[M1911 pistol series|1911]] variant.''
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 9x19mm]]


[[Image:Abyss02.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Abyss03.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:TheAbyss-SIG226-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In an intense scene, LT Coffey conceals his SIG-Sauer P226 behind his back after the confrontation with the crew. Note that the hammer is cocked and Coffey's finger is on the trigger, so he means business.]]
[[Image:Abyss 1103.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LT Coffey confronting "Hippy" with his SIG in his right hand.]]
[[Image:Abyss02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Coffey holding his SIG while Schoenick holds his suppressed MAC-10.]]
[[Image:Abyss 905.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ensign Monk ([[Adam Nelson]]) holding Coffey's SIG.]]
[[Image:Abyss 1106.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Coffey draws his P226.]]
[[Image:Abyss 1107.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Coffey aiming his pistol at Bud ([[Ed Harris]]).]]


:I would need to see screencaps to be sure, but I remember the gun being a P220. The P226 may be used by the SEALs in real life, but the prop weapon used in the movie could have still been a P220.
=Submachine Guns=
==MAC-10==
When he suspects a threat to the nuclear warhead, LT Hiram Coffey ([[Michael Biehn]]) takes out a [[MAC-10]] with a detachable barrel extension and gives it to fellow SEAL Schoenick (Christopher Murphy). Later, Jammer Willis ([[John Bedford Lloyd]]) disarms the SEALs, and gives the gun to Alan "Hippy" Carnes ([[Todd Graff]]), who tries to fire it, and has it grabbed away by Cat de Vries ([[Leo Burmester]]).


:The only good shots of the gun itself are pretty dark, so it is hard to tell the diameter of the barrel; but, the rounds they show during the scene when Ed Harris tries to subdue Michael Biehn are clearly 9mm FMJ's.
''TRIVIA: According to the screenplay, this weapon was originally supposed to be a "[[CAR-15]] short-barreled assault rifle."''


::The diameter of the bore isn't necessary to tell if it's a P226 or not; in fact, it would be irrelevant because the earliest P220s were also 9mm. I would need to see if it has the double-stack creases on the sides of the frame. That's how you can tell a P226 apart from a P220. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
[[Image:Ingram MAC 10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 with magazine removed and barrel extension .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Abyss01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Schoenick (Christopher Murphy) cocks the MAC-10 as LT Coffey looks on.]]
[[Image:Abyss02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Schoenick holds the MAC-10 while Coffey holds a SIG.]]


Just Watched it, after Coffey ([Biehn]) imprisons the crew there are clear shots of the pistol. It is definitely double stack, so it's a 226.
=Rifles=
I actually think it must of changed from random shot's like it looked like a P220 in one scene and then in another it looked like P226... But then again I really can't tell with Sig's they all look they same to me, heh.
==Colt M16A2 or AR-15A2 Sporter II==
U.S. Navy personnel on board the ''Benthyic Explorer'' appear to be carrying M16 assault rifles standing in for the [[M16A2]]. The M16A2s seen in the movie appears to have a "slab side" lower receiver unit, which means that it may be either a civilian AR-15A2 semi-automatic rifle (last Model R6500 with the A2 fixed carrying handle sight) or simply an A2 upper on a full-auto [[M16 Rifle|M16 (SP1)]] lower.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A2 Rifle - 5.56x45mm NATO. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).]]
[[Image:AR-15A2 Sporter 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II, model with A1E1 upper receiver and 20-round magazine - 5.56x45mm NATO / .223 Remington]]
[[Image:Colt Sporter Rifle Delta HBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Delta HBAR - .223 Remington - For reference only]]
[[Image:Abyss 1115.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Notice that this rifle seems to have a "slab side" lower receiver, which means that it may be either a civilian AR-15 A2 standing in for an M16A2, or simply an A2 upper on a full-auto M16 (SP1) lower.]]
[[Image:Abyss04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The crew and Navy personnel leave the ship's bridge in the climax as the NTI Ark rises from the abyss.]]
[[Image:Abyss 1112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]


==AK-47==
In the Special Edition, two Soviet sailors were seen with [[AK-47]]s slung over their shoulders when the massive tsunami approached a Soviet naval base. It can be also seen in the war footage the aliens present to Bud when he encounters the aliens. These are not fired, and are most likely to be Hudson model gun replicas.
[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Final Production version of the III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Abyss 1100.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two Soviet sailors to the left with their slung AK-47s.]]


Well, I watched this movie today, and if it's any help, there is a part where a SEAL brandishes the Sig magazine and starts popping out 9 millimeter FMJ's, but the magazine is a Single Stacked magazine of a P220 to my eye, so it could be the early edition of the P220 aforementioned.
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One other note: Does anyone else think it odd that a trained Navy SEAL would not notice that the clip was missing from his weapon? Coffey has the pistol back in his posession for at least about 30 minutes after the medic takes the clip. There would be a noticable weight difference and a feel differece when the pinkie comes into contact with an empty mag well instead of the buttplate of the clip. I just think it's something he'd have noticed. However, Coffey is depicted as suffering from pressure-induced psychosis, delusions and paranoia which could explain why he failed to notice the weapon was empty.
:No, but i find it odd that anyone who would spend ten minutes on IMFDB would call a MAGAZINE a clip. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
 
==M16A2==
Or ''maybe'' M16A1 with A2 handguard. It is seen wielded by the Bethnic Explorer's Armed QM at the scene when the underwater alien palace rises from the sea.
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with A2 style handguards - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Abyss04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|.]]
 
 
Not utilized this way in the real world, putting the distinctive A2 handguards on the older rifle was a method used by Movie/TV armorers to simulate A2 rifles when M16A1s were the only ones available.
:I was watching it earlier n it was clearly a M16A2. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
 
::I would need to be sure, but it's possible. The armorer who worked on this movie is the same guy who worked on ''[[RoboCop 2]]'', and that movie definitely features real M16A2s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
 
==AK-47==
In the Special Edition version, two Soviet sailors were seen with AK-47 rifles slung over their shoulders when the massive tsunami approached a Soviet naval base.
[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Final Production version of the III AK-47 with laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]


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The Abyss
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Theatrical Release Poster
Country Error creating thumbnail: File missing United States
Directed by James Cameron
Release Date 1989
Language English
Studio Carolco Pictures
Distributor Carolco Pictures
Main Cast
Character Actor
Virgil "Bud" Brigman Ed Harris
Lindsey Brigman Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio
Lt. Hiram Coffey Michael Biehn
Catfish De Vries Leo Burmester
Alan "Hippy" Carnes Todd Graff
Jammer Willis John Bedford Lloyd
Sonny Dawson J.C. Quinn
Lisa "One Night" Standing Kimberly Scott
Ensign Monk Adam Nelson
Schoenick Christopher Murphy




The following weapons were used in the film The Abyss:


Handguns

SIG-Sauer P226

Navy SEAL Lieutenant Hiram Coffey (Michael Biehn) carries a 9x19mm SIG-Sauer P226 as his sidearm. At the time of the film's release, the P226 had just started to replace the Beretta M9 as the standard-issue sidearm of the U.S. Navy SEAL teams; thus, The Abyss is quite likely the first movie ever to depict the SIG's use by SEALs.

TRIVIA: According to the screenplay, this weapon was originally supposed to be a ".45", presumably a 1911 variant.

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SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm
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In an intense scene, LT Coffey conceals his SIG-Sauer P226 behind his back after the confrontation with the crew. Note that the hammer is cocked and Coffey's finger is on the trigger, so he means business.
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LT Coffey confronting "Hippy" with his SIG in his right hand.
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Coffey holding his SIG while Schoenick holds his suppressed MAC-10.
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Ensign Monk (Adam Nelson) holding Coffey's SIG.
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Coffey draws his P226.
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Coffey aiming his pistol at Bud (Ed Harris).

Submachine Guns

MAC-10

When he suspects a threat to the nuclear warhead, LT Hiram Coffey (Michael Biehn) takes out a MAC-10 with a detachable barrel extension and gives it to fellow SEAL Schoenick (Christopher Murphy). Later, Jammer Willis (John Bedford Lloyd) disarms the SEALs, and gives the gun to Alan "Hippy" Carnes (Todd Graff), who tries to fire it, and has it grabbed away by Cat de Vries (Leo Burmester).

TRIVIA: According to the screenplay, this weapon was originally supposed to be a "CAR-15 short-barreled assault rifle."

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MAC-10 with magazine removed and barrel extension .45 ACP
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Schoenick (Christopher Murphy) cocks the MAC-10 as LT Coffey looks on.
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Schoenick holds the MAC-10 while Coffey holds a SIG.

Rifles

Colt M16A2 or AR-15A2 Sporter II

U.S. Navy personnel on board the Benthyic Explorer appear to be carrying M16 assault rifles standing in for the M16A2. The M16A2s seen in the movie appears to have a "slab side" lower receiver unit, which means that it may be either a civilian AR-15A2 semi-automatic rifle (last Model R6500 with the A2 fixed carrying handle sight) or simply an A2 upper on a full-auto M16 (SP1) lower.

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M16A2 Rifle - 5.56x45mm NATO. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).
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Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II, model with A1E1 upper receiver and 20-round magazine - 5.56x45mm NATO / .223 Remington
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Colt Delta HBAR - .223 Remington - For reference only
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Notice that this rifle seems to have a "slab side" lower receiver, which means that it may be either a civilian AR-15 A2 standing in for an M16A2, or simply an A2 upper on a full-auto M16 (SP1) lower.
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The crew and Navy personnel leave the ship's bridge in the climax as the NTI Ark rises from the abyss.
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AK-47

In the Special Edition, two Soviet sailors were seen with AK-47s slung over their shoulders when the massive tsunami approached a Soviet naval base. It can be also seen in the war footage the aliens present to Bud when he encounters the aliens. These are not fired, and are most likely to be Hudson model gun replicas.

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Final Production version of the III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm
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Two Soviet sailors to the left with their slung AK-47s.