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That's about it. I haven't gotten into the budget version of these guns which all have 3 digits such as the 908, 910, 915, 457, etc. There's lots more to learn about those. --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 03:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC) | That's about it. I haven't gotten into the budget version of these guns which all have 3 digits such as the 908, 910, 915, 457, etc. There's lots more to learn about those. --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 03:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC) | ||
== Fallen == | |||
Good job with the page! Just make sure in the future to avoid spoilers as much as possible. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
Will do. Thanks for pointing that out, got carried away while grinding it out, it's only my second movie creation from scratch. --[[Special:Contributions/98.228.200.64|98.228.200.64]] 01:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Unknown == | |||
Hi. Where'd you get the screenshots showing Olivier Schneider in [[Unknown (2011)|Unknown]]? I haven't seen any trailers showing him holding Diane Kruger down on the ground, and the film isn't out on DVD or BLU-Ray yet... If they're from a bootleg copy, they're gonna have to be removed --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 11:05, 19 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
It's from the "Break In" promotional video clip release at movies.yahoo.com. http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810122285/video/24131124 Also, please don't leave accusation of bootleg screecaps on my page. I'm not a reckless 18 year old. I am aware of the illegalities of bootlegs and wouldn't be so naive as to post screencaps of them. --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 12:40, 19 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
Okay, sorry, I didn't mean to impose on you like that. But it doesn't hurt to check. It's better to be safe than sorry, right? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 13:06, 19 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
Yes, though a more tactful way to check is to simply ask "where did you get those screencaps" and leave the initial question at that. If I then reply "from a bootleg copy", send you a link to a bootleg copy or I am unable to provide a plausible source, I think that is when you inform the user that it is illegal and must be taken down. Thanks for checking though. I too do not want to see imfdb get in that kind of trouble but I also don't want to be too zealous and run off contributors :) --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 13:17, 19 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
Okay, I'll try to be more discrete the next time. Thanks for the advice. Altough I gotta say I'm a straight-forward kind o' guy... ;) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 13:33, 19 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
Indeed, you would have made a great deputy alongside Wyatt Earp in Tombstone, Arizona. Not me though, the outlaws would have walked all over me with my too-careful questioning and hesitant action. :) --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 13:39, 19 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
Thaks, I guess :D . I'm sure you would have made a great deputy too :) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:03, 19 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
And I wouldn't call your actions hesitant ;) | |||
Haha don't worry. It was a compliment! --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 14:13, 19 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
== Hello again == | |||
Hi. I remembered that you are an expert on Smith & Wesson automatics. I'm currently working on [[MacGruber]], and there's a gun that's bugging me. Here's a couple of images of the gun, which I can't identify: | |||
[[Image:McGS&WAuto.jpg|thumb|none|600px|I know that's a S&W semiauto (d'uh) but I ain't got the faintest idea of what the specific model is.]] | |||
[[Image:McGS&WAuto_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The one on the foreground.]] | |||
:::: --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:36, 17 June 2011 (CDT) | |||
That is a 9mm 5906TSW. The frame and slide are roughly the same color. The frame isn't slightly lighter like the alloy frame of a 5903TSW. It is definitely a TSW gun as the rail and the "tactical" indicate. The next question is it a 5906TSW, 4006TSW or a 4566TSW. In both pictures you can see that there is only one character before the "tactical" banner on the slide. The character is blurry but it is obvious that it is a single character. The 4003 and 4566 both have "40 Tactical" and "45 Tactical", respectively, on the slide, i.e., two numbers. The 5906TSW only has a single character or number before "Tactical", namely, "9 Tactical". So the conclusion is that it is a Smith & Wesson 5906TSW 9mm pistol. --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 15:07, 17 June 2011 (CDT) | |||
::Thank you very much man, you're a wizard. That was more than I needed :) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 16:20, 17 June 2011 (CDT) | |||
== Hello == | |||
Hi again. It's me, [[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]. I'm currently working on [[Noll Tolerans]] (aka Zero Tolerance), which is a Swedish action-thriller. In it a bad guy can been seen with a Smith & Wesson semi-auto handgun. (Below) | |||
[[Image:NollToleransS&WAuto.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:NollToleransS&WAuto-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
At first I thought the gun was a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]], but then I came across a screenshot (the second one) that showed the bore. The bore seems to be bigger than that of a 9mm, so I came to the conclusion that it's a [[Smith & Wesson 4500 pistol series|Smith & Wesson 4566]]. '''BUT'''... the gun in the film has those pre-Novak sights and a round trigger guard. So, I tried to do some internet searching to see if early 4566s had ever had those original S&W sights, but I came up with squat. Long story short, I need your help. I usually can identify the most common Smith & Wesson pistols, but I know nothing of their history (unfortunately). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 04:25, 20 July 2011 (CDT) | |||
It's definitely not a 4566 with those adjustable sights. My first guess without seeing the bore would be a 5906 like you thought since 9mm (I'm assuming) is a more common caliber in European countries. Although I can't see the bore picture very well, if it does seem larger than a 9mm, it is most likely a S&W 4006. In the U.S., .40 caliber is extremely popular with federal, state and local police so you see .40 caliber surplus guns everywhere. While I don't know how popular the .40 would be over there, that screen gun is most likely a .40. The odd thing about the gun is the MIM hammer that the gun has on it. Those didn't come on the scene until the very late 90s and the adjustable sights were replaced by the Novaks long before that. Looks like the hammer was replaced. The trigger guard also doesn't seem to have any serrations on the front of it which is pretty odd as well. Someone has tinkered with that gun quite a bit. Anyway, my best guess is the 4006. | |||
==Request== | |||
We haven't talked previously but I've seen your name pop up here and there over time, though I never looked you up, shame on me, as I probably would have made this request a lot sooner. Always good to have someone as well read on a series of firearms as you, reading the info above on your user page you seem to have the 3rd gen S&W autos down. That said, I have a request - Your image of the S&W model number breakdown for the 3rd gen semiautos, I wanted to ask if I may post that on either the main page or discussion page for the Smith and Wesson category - I feel it'll be a help to newer members to ID S&W autos, and it'd be good to have it in a slightly more convenient location to lookup. I'll be happy to credit you and even link your userpage, as that'd be good for other members to know, should anyone have further inquiries on those guns. (I myself might even hit you up at some point). Anyway, there it is I guess. Thanks for reading, have a good one. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:14, 15 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
Sure, I have no problem with it being reused since it was never mine to begin with :) Thanks for checking. | |||
--[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] ([[User talk:Luckyluciano|talk]]) 21:12, 15 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
: Very good, thanks. By the way, it's customary to respond to messages on your talk page on the messenger's talk page so that they know you've responded, prevents from having to check your talk page for a reply. We get notified for changes on our own talk pages from other parties but not on the other party's talk page, and in most cases users aren't inclined to keep an eye out on other people's talk pages. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:42, 15 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 01:42, 16 June 2014
Demolition Man
Quick FYI: You replaced the picture of the 3913 on the Demolition Man page with a stock picture that you uploaded. The picture of the 3913 we have on the page is the actual screen-used gun from the movie; it was photographed by MoviePropMaster2008, who is a movie armorer and knows the guys at Cinema Weaponry (who supplied the guns used on Demolition Man). We do not allow users to replace screen-used gun pictures taken by MoviePropMaster2008.
Also, while I appreciate that the 3913 "NL" is not marked "Ladysmith", the fact that it's otherwise identical to the Ladysmith model seems to obviate the need for a separate entry on the 3913 page. The markings of particular weapons are usually not enough to warrant separate gun entries (the Beretta M9, for example, is included within the Beretta 92F category on the Beretta 92 pistol series page). -MT2008 15:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the heads up and the tips on what I had done wrong. --Luckyluciano 04:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
S&W number system
I've been interested in second and third generation S&W Autos for a while as well. I was wondering if you could fill me in on the number system they used to designate their third generation pistols? I know that 59xx are double column 9mms, 39xx are single column 9mms, 69xx are compact double-column 9mms, 40xx are .40S&W, and 45xx are .45 ACPs. With regard to the last two digits in the designation system I always seem to come across variants that contradict my understanding of the system and new number combinations I've never seen. Any information you could provide would be appreciated. -Anonymous
S&W 3rd gen number system
This is a very simplified response as there are many exceptions to this general rule. But for the most part, the info below applies. I won't include special models such as TSW, LadySmith, NL etc as these are mostly cosmetic and sometimes functional enhancements.
For 3rd generation S&W semi-autos, the first two numbers designate the caliber; and in the case of 39XX and 69XX, caliber, magazine stack and size) for the series. For example, 59XX would be 9mm, 40XX would be 40 S&W, 45XX would be the 45ACP series, 39XX would be the single stack 9mm guns and 69XX the double stack compact guns.
The third number designates the design size for all but the 9mm guns. It can also denote features. The numbers are 0 for full size, 1 for compact, 4 for double action only with no safety/decocker and a bobbed hammer on full size guns, 5 for double action only with no safety/decocker and a bobbed hammer on compacts.
For example, 590X are full size service weapons, there are no 591X. However for the 40SW and 45ACP, the third number does specify the size where 0 is full size and 1 is compact. The 4006 and 4506 are full size and the 4013 and 4513, 4516 are compacts.
The last number for the 3rd generation S&W handguns is about frame type and finish. If it is 6, the frame is stainless steel, if it is 3, the frame is aluminum (or sometimes titanium) alloy, and if it is 4, the frame is aluminum alloy but both the slide and frame have a blued (black) finish.
Here are the most common S&W guns you will see in movies or encounter at gun shops:
Standard DA/SA with Safety/Decocker
3913 - 9mm | compact size single stack | alloy frame
3914 - 9mm | compact size single stack | alloy frame - blued (black) slide and frame
6906 - 9mm | compact size double stack | alloy frame
6904 - 9mm | compact size double stack | alloy frame - blued (black) slide and frame
5906 - 9mm | full size | stainless frame
5903 - 9mm | full size | alloy frame
5904 - 9mm | full size | alloy frame - blued (black) slide and frame
4006 - 40SW | full size | stainless frame
4003 - 40SW | full size | alloy frame
4004 - 40SW | full size | alloy frame - blued (black) slide and frame
4013 - 40SW | compact size | alloy frame
4506 - 45ACP | full size | stainless frame
4503 - 45ACP | full size | alloy frame
4516 - 45ACP | compact size | stainless frame
4513 - 45ACP | compact size | alloy frame
DAO Models
3953 - 9mm | compact size | alloy frame - DAO, no safety/decocker, bobbed hammer
3954 - 9mm | compact size | alloy frame blued (black) slide and frame - DAO, no safety/decocker, bobbed hammer
4046 - 40SW | full size | stainless frame - DAO, no safety/decocker, bobbed hammer
4043 - 40SW | full size | alloy frame - DAO, no safety/decocker, bobbed hammer
Medium frame pistols - 45 ACP comes in full size 5 inch barrels and compact 3.5 inch,
the 6 in these denote 4.25 inch barrels (medium size).
4566 - 45ACP | medium size | stainless frame
4563 - 45ACP | medium size | alloy frame
That's about it. I haven't gotten into the budget version of these guns which all have 3 digits such as the 908, 910, 915, 457, etc. There's lots more to learn about those. --Luckyluciano 03:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Fallen
Good job with the page! Just make sure in the future to avoid spoilers as much as possible. --Ben41 01:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Will do. Thanks for pointing that out, got carried away while grinding it out, it's only my second movie creation from scratch. --98.228.200.64 01:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Unknown
Hi. Where'd you get the screenshots showing Olivier Schneider in Unknown? I haven't seen any trailers showing him holding Diane Kruger down on the ground, and the film isn't out on DVD or BLU-Ray yet... If they're from a bootleg copy, they're gonna have to be removed --Warejaws 11:05, 19 April 2011 (CDT)
It's from the "Break In" promotional video clip release at movies.yahoo.com. http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810122285/video/24131124 Also, please don't leave accusation of bootleg screecaps on my page. I'm not a reckless 18 year old. I am aware of the illegalities of bootlegs and wouldn't be so naive as to post screencaps of them. --Luckyluciano 12:40, 19 April 2011 (CDT)
Okay, sorry, I didn't mean to impose on you like that. But it doesn't hurt to check. It's better to be safe than sorry, right? --Warejaws 13:06, 19 April 2011 (CDT)
Yes, though a more tactful way to check is to simply ask "where did you get those screencaps" and leave the initial question at that. If I then reply "from a bootleg copy", send you a link to a bootleg copy or I am unable to provide a plausible source, I think that is when you inform the user that it is illegal and must be taken down. Thanks for checking though. I too do not want to see imfdb get in that kind of trouble but I also don't want to be too zealous and run off contributors :) --Luckyluciano 13:17, 19 April 2011 (CDT)
Okay, I'll try to be more discrete the next time. Thanks for the advice. Altough I gotta say I'm a straight-forward kind o' guy... ;) --Warejaws 13:33, 19 April 2011 (CDT)
Indeed, you would have made a great deputy alongside Wyatt Earp in Tombstone, Arizona. Not me though, the outlaws would have walked all over me with my too-careful questioning and hesitant action. :) --Luckyluciano 13:39, 19 April 2011 (CDT)
Thaks, I guess :D . I'm sure you would have made a great deputy too :) --Warejaws 14:03, 19 April 2011 (CDT) And I wouldn't call your actions hesitant ;)
Haha don't worry. It was a compliment! --Luckyluciano 14:13, 19 April 2011 (CDT)
Hello again
Hi. I remembered that you are an expert on Smith & Wesson automatics. I'm currently working on MacGruber, and there's a gun that's bugging me. Here's a couple of images of the gun, which I can't identify:
- --Warejaws 14:36, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
That is a 9mm 5906TSW. The frame and slide are roughly the same color. The frame isn't slightly lighter like the alloy frame of a 5903TSW. It is definitely a TSW gun as the rail and the "tactical" indicate. The next question is it a 5906TSW, 4006TSW or a 4566TSW. In both pictures you can see that there is only one character before the "tactical" banner on the slide. The character is blurry but it is obvious that it is a single character. The 4003 and 4566 both have "40 Tactical" and "45 Tactical", respectively, on the slide, i.e., two numbers. The 5906TSW only has a single character or number before "Tactical", namely, "9 Tactical". So the conclusion is that it is a Smith & Wesson 5906TSW 9mm pistol. --Luckyluciano 15:07, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
- Thank you very much man, you're a wizard. That was more than I needed :) --Warejaws 16:20, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
Hello
Hi again. It's me, Warejaws. I'm currently working on Noll Tolerans (aka Zero Tolerance), which is a Swedish action-thriller. In it a bad guy can been seen with a Smith & Wesson semi-auto handgun. (Below)
At first I thought the gun was a Smith & Wesson 5906, but then I came across a screenshot (the second one) that showed the bore. The bore seems to be bigger than that of a 9mm, so I came to the conclusion that it's a Smith & Wesson 4566. BUT... the gun in the film has those pre-Novak sights and a round trigger guard. So, I tried to do some internet searching to see if early 4566s had ever had those original S&W sights, but I came up with squat. Long story short, I need your help. I usually can identify the most common Smith & Wesson pistols, but I know nothing of their history (unfortunately). --Warejaws 04:25, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
It's definitely not a 4566 with those adjustable sights. My first guess without seeing the bore would be a 5906 like you thought since 9mm (I'm assuming) is a more common caliber in European countries. Although I can't see the bore picture very well, if it does seem larger than a 9mm, it is most likely a S&W 4006. In the U.S., .40 caliber is extremely popular with federal, state and local police so you see .40 caliber surplus guns everywhere. While I don't know how popular the .40 would be over there, that screen gun is most likely a .40. The odd thing about the gun is the MIM hammer that the gun has on it. Those didn't come on the scene until the very late 90s and the adjustable sights were replaced by the Novaks long before that. Looks like the hammer was replaced. The trigger guard also doesn't seem to have any serrations on the front of it which is pretty odd as well. Someone has tinkered with that gun quite a bit. Anyway, my best guess is the 4006.
Request
We haven't talked previously but I've seen your name pop up here and there over time, though I never looked you up, shame on me, as I probably would have made this request a lot sooner. Always good to have someone as well read on a series of firearms as you, reading the info above on your user page you seem to have the 3rd gen S&W autos down. That said, I have a request - Your image of the S&W model number breakdown for the 3rd gen semiautos, I wanted to ask if I may post that on either the main page or discussion page for the Smith and Wesson category - I feel it'll be a help to newer members to ID S&W autos, and it'd be good to have it in a slightly more convenient location to lookup. I'll be happy to credit you and even link your userpage, as that'd be good for other members to know, should anyone have further inquiries on those guns. (I myself might even hit you up at some point). Anyway, there it is I guess. Thanks for reading, have a good one. StanTheMan (talk) 14:14, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
Sure, I have no problem with it being reused since it was never mine to begin with :) Thanks for checking.
--Luckyluciano (talk) 21:12, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
- Very good, thanks. By the way, it's customary to respond to messages on your talk page on the messenger's talk page so that they know you've responded, prevents from having to check your talk page for a reply. We get notified for changes on our own talk pages from other parties but not on the other party's talk page, and in most cases users aren't inclined to keep an eye out on other people's talk pages. StanTheMan (talk) 21:42, 15 June 2014 (EDT)