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==Additional Variants== | ==Additional Variants== | ||
[[Image:Ithaca37Featherllight.jpg|thumb|none| | [[File:Ithaca37FeatherPstl.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ithaca 37 Featherlight with shortened barrel and pistol grip - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[File:Ithaca37nickelstock.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Ithaca 37 Nickel model with wood furniture and extended magazine tube - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[File:Ithaca37Nickel.jpg|thumb|451px|none|Ithaca 37 Nickel with pistol grip - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:CutdonwIthaca37.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Ithaca 37 Nickel model with pistol grip and "assault" style sling - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[Image:ithaca37.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Ithaca Model 37 riot with pistol grip - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[Image:Ithaca37Featherllight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ithaca 37 Featherlight - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[Image:Ithaca 37 Deerslayer II.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Ithaca Deerslayer II - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Ithaca Model 37 Duckbill barrel.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ithaca 37 with 'Duckbill' Conversion.]] | |||
[[File:Ithaca Model 37 TG with bayonet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ithaca 37 Trench Gun with bayonet.]] | |||
[[File:StainlessStakeout.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" with stainless steel finish and synthetic forearm - 12 gauge]] | |||
===Designs Resembling the Ithaca 37=== | |||
[[Image:JingAn-M37.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Chinese Jing An HL12-102 - 12 Gauge. It has also been sold in some countries as Brigant HL12-102.]] | |||
[[Image:Bataan71.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Bataan Modelo 71 - 12 Gauge. Bataan 71 is a Argentinian shotgun, based on the Ithaca 37 design.]] | |||
[[Image:Bataan Modelo 71 sawedoff.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Bataan Modelo 71 with sawed-off stock and short barrel - 12 Gauge]] | |||
===Screen Used=== | |||
[[File:Jamesgeorgopoulosmiamiviceimfdb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ithaca 37 Stakeout Custom - 12 gauge. This is the screen-used firearm carried by [[Philip Michael Thomas]] in the series ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)|Miami Vice]]''. '''Thanks to [[User:Jimmygcreative|James Georgopoulos]]'''.]] | |||
[[File:HicksShotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Screen-used custom shorty Ithaca 37 shotgun from ''[[Aliens]]'' around the time of filming, when the grip was still wrapped in tape.]] | |||
[[File:HicksShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Opposite side view of the Ithaca 37 from ''Aliens''. Image from Prop Store of London.]] | |||
[[File:HicksShotgunEngravings.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A close-up of the hunting-style engravings on the Ithaca from ''Aliens''. Image from Prop Store of London.]] | |||
[[Image:BasketballDiaries-Ithaca37-1-HeritageAuction.jpg|thumb|450px|none|The Ithaca 37 used in ''[[The Basketball Diaries]]''; the weapon pictured here is the actual screen-used firearm carried by [[Leonardo DiCaprio]] in the film - 12 gauge]] | |||
===Airsoft Variants=== | |||
[[Image:xxhardball.jpg|none|500px|thumb|'''Airsoft''' Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" replica shotgun nearly identical to the one used in the game ''[[Grand Theft Auto IV]]''. Note the upside-down receiver.]] | |||
[[File:Ithaca Model 37 airsoft short barrel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|KTW Ithaca Model 37 with short barrel.]] | |||
==Ithaca represented in movies far more than its numbers== | ==Ithaca represented in movies far more than its numbers== | ||
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:::Being the 'official' shotgun of a major police force, and being seen in everything from ''[[Dead Bang]]'' to ''[[The French Connection]]'' to ''[[Tropic Thunder]]'' doesn't really translate into film appearances, in that tons of other shotguns are available in movie armories, but I believe the Ithaca has a fanbase amongst propmasters and directors (I'm not one of them, but the Ithaca seems to have an air of 'coolness' that I just can't put my finger on, that causes others to constantly pick it as the shotgun to film. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC) | :::Being the 'official' shotgun of a major police force, and being seen in everything from ''[[Dead Bang]]'' to ''[[The French Connection]]'' to ''[[Tropic Thunder]]'' doesn't really translate into film appearances, in that tons of other shotguns are available in movie armories, but I believe the Ithaca has a fanbase amongst propmasters and directors (I'm not one of them, but the Ithaca seems to have an air of 'coolness' that I just can't put my finger on, that causes others to constantly pick it as the shotgun to film. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::When I made my police comment I was suggesting that maybe because police in the Hollywood area used the gun in large numbers that there were plenty of used, surplus Ithacas available, however since you said that there are many other types of shotguns readily available as well, my suggestion is clearly wrong and can be disregarded. | ::::When I made my police comment I was suggesting that maybe because police in the Hollywood area used the gun in large numbers that there were plenty of used, surplus Ithacas available, however since you said that there are many other types of shotguns readily available as well, my suggestion is clearly wrong and can be disregarded. | ||
:The Ithaca is a shotgun with a very rich history. It was made using the same basic design as the Remington Model 10 (a design originally by John M. Browning) after the patents had expired. It was ordered by the US government for military service in the Second World War in training, trench gun, and riot gun configurations. More orders continued post-war, and the Ithaca trench gun continued to see service throughout the Vietnam Conflict. It was said to be a favorite of the US Navy SEAL Teams operating in the Mekong Delta, who favored it for its reliability and its resistance to fouling (due to having only one major opening in the receiver where dirt could enter the action). It was also favored by Law Enforcement throughout the country, with the LAPD and NYPD both using the shotgun heavily. It continues to serve in this role as well, only recently being replaced by the Los Angelse County Sheriff's Office, and only replaced by the NYPD and LAPD within the last few years. While the modern iterations of this design may not truly be up to par with its historical predecessor, which shotguns truly can (does the Winchester SXP compare with the Model 1897 or Model 1912, or the modern Remington 870s compare with the earlier 870s or Model 31s). While it is likely the case that surplus Ithacas are easier to come by in Hollywood (due to their long LAPD servce record and this department's constant presence in film), it is not true that the Ithaca is not deserving of playing a role in films and getting some of the limelight. Please, do some research before you post. This weapon has a proud history and served in some numbers before being replaced by more modern designs.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 13:14, 12 June 2011 (CDT) | |||
== Is the ejection system patented? == | == Is the ejection system patented? == | ||
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: I'd have to say it is probably is a specific and patented design feature - I too haven't heard of any other shotgun that has bottom ejection (Most other shotguns solve the left/right issue with left-handed models that eject to the left, such as Remington). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC) | : I'd have to say it is probably is a specific and patented design feature - I too haven't heard of any other shotgun that has bottom ejection (Most other shotguns solve the left/right issue with left-handed models that eject to the left, such as Remington). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
::The Remington Model 10 had the bottom ejection system before the Ithaca did. - [[ | ::The Remington Model 10 had the bottom ejection system before the Ithaca did. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | ||
Browning BPS is bottom ejecting/loading as well [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 05:23, 8 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:: Ah, why didn't I think of that... Well, the BPS isn't seen all that much, and the Remington Model 10 was before the Ithaca, so I guess that explains it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Psych Season 5 == | |||
Season 5, episode 16. Yin's new apprentice uses an Ithaca 37 Stakeout to hold Shawn and Gus for Yin. --[[User:Winged Brick|Winged Brick]] ([[User talk:Winged Brick|talk]]) 19:46, 18 January 2014 (EST) | |||
: I put in the listing, but for future reference, if it is on the appropriate media page, you can always just go ahead and list the entry yourself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:44, 19 January 2014 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 00:51, 26 December 2023
Additional Variants
Designs Resembling the Ithaca 37
Screen Used
Airsoft Variants
Ithaca represented in movies far more than its numbers
I've noticed that Ithaca shotguns are by far one of the LEAST available pump shotguns on the market and yet, they show up tons of time in films and TV shows. The Remingtons, Winchester (until Winchester stopped making pump shotguns) and Mossbergs are FAR more common, the Ithacas show up in films far more frequently than their numbers in the marketplace merit. MoviePropMaster2008 03:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- "(until Winchester stopped making pump shotguns)"I know Winchester is "Defunct" but I believe the 1300 Defender is still produced under the name "SXP Defender" http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/winchesters-sxp-defender-pump-shotgun/ --AdAstra2009 03:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Wasn't the Ithaca the standard shotgun for the LAPD at one point? If that is the case then it could be that Ithaca's are simply more readily available in the Hollywood area and so are used more frequently in movies for that reason.
- Being the 'official' shotgun of a major police force, and being seen in everything from Dead Bang to The French Connection to Tropic Thunder doesn't really translate into film appearances, in that tons of other shotguns are available in movie armories, but I believe the Ithaca has a fanbase amongst propmasters and directors (I'm not one of them, but the Ithaca seems to have an air of 'coolness' that I just can't put my finger on, that causes others to constantly pick it as the shotgun to film. MoviePropMaster2008 03:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- When I made my police comment I was suggesting that maybe because police in the Hollywood area used the gun in large numbers that there were plenty of used, surplus Ithacas available, however since you said that there are many other types of shotguns readily available as well, my suggestion is clearly wrong and can be disregarded.
- Being the 'official' shotgun of a major police force, and being seen in everything from Dead Bang to The French Connection to Tropic Thunder doesn't really translate into film appearances, in that tons of other shotguns are available in movie armories, but I believe the Ithaca has a fanbase amongst propmasters and directors (I'm not one of them, but the Ithaca seems to have an air of 'coolness' that I just can't put my finger on, that causes others to constantly pick it as the shotgun to film. MoviePropMaster2008 03:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Wasn't the Ithaca the standard shotgun for the LAPD at one point? If that is the case then it could be that Ithaca's are simply more readily available in the Hollywood area and so are used more frequently in movies for that reason.
- The Ithaca is a shotgun with a very rich history. It was made using the same basic design as the Remington Model 10 (a design originally by John M. Browning) after the patents had expired. It was ordered by the US government for military service in the Second World War in training, trench gun, and riot gun configurations. More orders continued post-war, and the Ithaca trench gun continued to see service throughout the Vietnam Conflict. It was said to be a favorite of the US Navy SEAL Teams operating in the Mekong Delta, who favored it for its reliability and its resistance to fouling (due to having only one major opening in the receiver where dirt could enter the action). It was also favored by Law Enforcement throughout the country, with the LAPD and NYPD both using the shotgun heavily. It continues to serve in this role as well, only recently being replaced by the Los Angelse County Sheriff's Office, and only replaced by the NYPD and LAPD within the last few years. While the modern iterations of this design may not truly be up to par with its historical predecessor, which shotguns truly can (does the Winchester SXP compare with the Model 1897 or Model 1912, or the modern Remington 870s compare with the earlier 870s or Model 31s). While it is likely the case that surplus Ithacas are easier to come by in Hollywood (due to their long LAPD servce record and this department's constant presence in film), it is not true that the Ithaca is not deserving of playing a role in films and getting some of the limelight. Please, do some research before you post. This weapon has a proud history and served in some numbers before being replaced by more modern designs.SAWGunner89 13:14, 12 June 2011 (CDT)
Is the ejection system patented?
I haven't heard of any other shotguns that both load and eject from the bottom port, and I'd like to know if that's a feature that's protected by a patent, like the forwards-casing ejection system of the FN F2000. A bottom-ejecting shotgun would definitely be more useful around corners or tighter areas where you don't want hot casings flying in unpredictable ways, and as the article states, it is automatically ambidextrous in design. --Mazryonh 00:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'd have to say it is probably is a specific and patented design feature - I too haven't heard of any other shotgun that has bottom ejection (Most other shotguns solve the left/right issue with left-handed models that eject to the left, such as Remington). StanTheMan 00:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- The Remington Model 10 had the bottom ejection system before the Ithaca did. - Gunmaster45
Browning BPS is bottom ejecting/loading as well Mercer 05:23, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, why didn't I think of that... Well, the BPS isn't seen all that much, and the Remington Model 10 was before the Ithaca, so I guess that explains it. StanTheMan 05:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Psych Season 5
Season 5, episode 16. Yin's new apprentice uses an Ithaca 37 Stakeout to hold Shawn and Gus for Yin. --Winged Brick (talk) 19:46, 18 January 2014 (EST)
- I put in the listing, but for future reference, if it is on the appropriate media page, you can always just go ahead and list the entry yourself. StanTheMan (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2014 (EST)