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How do you know those are rifles and not just muskets? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | How do you know those are rifles and not just muskets? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
The time period warrants the use of flintlocks. and if you have seen the movie the delay between the "Snap" and the "Blast" are very great-[[user:SargeOverkill]] | |||
anyway look at the frizzen and striker, which are those of a flintlock. | |||
:He's not disputing the fact that they're flintlocks, but whether or not they're rifles, with rifled barrels, or muskets, with smoothbore barrels. Only one of those "rifles" actually looks like a rifle, the rest look like muskets. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 14:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
oh i see. sorry. i agree, most of them look unrifled.-[[User:SargeOverkill]] | |||
Hey I'm the creator of the page. I don't know too much about firearms from this period of time, I just identified them to the best of my ability. I admit that I didn't even think of the difference between smooth bore and rifled weapons when I built the page. Anyone who is more knowledgable feel free to correct the page how they wish. - [[User:Diego Wolfwood|Diego Wolfwood]] | |||
:Just a question: Are you even TRYING to identify them? I can visually ID three long guns already that are in the 'unknown' department. But I didn't make this page, you did. Will you be doing any internet research and identifying the long guns on your own page? or are you expecting others to do it for you? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I haven't got around to it yet! I don't really know where to look but I was planning on checking out some other movie pages in a similar time period to see if I could notice any similarities. I've been busy today, I built the page last night before bed while I watched the movie. - [[User:Diego Wolfwood|Diego Wolfwood]] | |||
:::Good news. Thanks. Well at least you're not one of those guys who make a page and dump the 'work' of identifying guns on the other IMFDB users. That has happened in the past and it sure is irritating. One of the things is to research and start to remember the detail differences between guns, now most of the flintlock, matchlock, wheel lock guns were custom/hand made with the exception of 'some' sort of mass production for the Armies of the time, so it is hard to completely ID 'most' of the custom made pieces, however there are well known 'major' types. Since the filmmakers probably won't go out of their way to get a rare (and museum piece) original one off, they will probably get the more common but timeline appropriate weapons that are available at whatever armory they are using. Still, the purpose of IMFDB is not to point out the obvious to viewers ("Look, there's a Musket in the movie"), that observation is obvious to even a child who is watching the film. Our job here is to do "due diligence" and do our homework and try to ID the weapon as closely as possible. Sure we all make mistakes, but at least members are trying to educate the public. Good thing you're doing that. That is why I don't go out of my way to do FLINTLOCK technology entries. I don't know enough about them to give the public a good education about them. Anyway, I look forward to your progress on the page. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Thanks, I usually will create a page if it doesn't exist yet and I have the movie, whether I know the guns or not. I figure the simple act of creating the page and supplying screenshots will bring attention to the movie and perhaps the attention of someone who knows more than I do about the specific weapons involved. I do try to identify things myself, and usually am able to identify most weapons. I actually looked at [[The Patriot]] movie page to see if I recognized anything, because I have no idea what most flintlock weapons would even be called. If you look at the page for [[Outland]], which I made, I spent a fair amount of time online trying to figure out what that shotgun was, and was successful eventually. I'll keep looking around to see if I can further improve [[The Brothers Grimm]] page, but I can't promise I'll be able to identify anymore. - [[User:Diego Wolfwood|Diego Wolfwood]] | |||
:I may be wrong, but I think that generally the only way to tell a musket apart from a rifle externally was whether it had sights, and, like funkychinaman said, only one of the weapons appeared to have them. It was one of the flintlocks held by the villagers. The rest appear to be muskets.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 20:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Flintlock rifle?
How do you know those are rifles and not just muskets? Excalibur01 14:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
The time period warrants the use of flintlocks. and if you have seen the movie the delay between the "Snap" and the "Blast" are very great-user:SargeOverkill
anyway look at the frizzen and striker, which are those of a flintlock.
- He's not disputing the fact that they're flintlocks, but whether or not they're rifles, with rifled barrels, or muskets, with smoothbore barrels. Only one of those "rifles" actually looks like a rifle, the rest look like muskets. --funkychinaman 14:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
oh i see. sorry. i agree, most of them look unrifled.-User:SargeOverkill
Hey I'm the creator of the page. I don't know too much about firearms from this period of time, I just identified them to the best of my ability. I admit that I didn't even think of the difference between smooth bore and rifled weapons when I built the page. Anyone who is more knowledgable feel free to correct the page how they wish. - Diego Wolfwood
- Just a question: Are you even TRYING to identify them? I can visually ID three long guns already that are in the 'unknown' department. But I didn't make this page, you did. Will you be doing any internet research and identifying the long guns on your own page? or are you expecting others to do it for you? MoviePropMaster2008 00:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't got around to it yet! I don't really know where to look but I was planning on checking out some other movie pages in a similar time period to see if I could notice any similarities. I've been busy today, I built the page last night before bed while I watched the movie. - Diego Wolfwood
- Good news. Thanks. Well at least you're not one of those guys who make a page and dump the 'work' of identifying guns on the other IMFDB users. That has happened in the past and it sure is irritating. One of the things is to research and start to remember the detail differences between guns, now most of the flintlock, matchlock, wheel lock guns were custom/hand made with the exception of 'some' sort of mass production for the Armies of the time, so it is hard to completely ID 'most' of the custom made pieces, however there are well known 'major' types. Since the filmmakers probably won't go out of their way to get a rare (and museum piece) original one off, they will probably get the more common but timeline appropriate weapons that are available at whatever armory they are using. Still, the purpose of IMFDB is not to point out the obvious to viewers ("Look, there's a Musket in the movie"), that observation is obvious to even a child who is watching the film. Our job here is to do "due diligence" and do our homework and try to ID the weapon as closely as possible. Sure we all make mistakes, but at least members are trying to educate the public. Good thing you're doing that. That is why I don't go out of my way to do FLINTLOCK technology entries. I don't know enough about them to give the public a good education about them. Anyway, I look forward to your progress on the page. :) MoviePropMaster2008 03:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I usually will create a page if it doesn't exist yet and I have the movie, whether I know the guns or not. I figure the simple act of creating the page and supplying screenshots will bring attention to the movie and perhaps the attention of someone who knows more than I do about the specific weapons involved. I do try to identify things myself, and usually am able to identify most weapons. I actually looked at The Patriot movie page to see if I recognized anything, because I have no idea what most flintlock weapons would even be called. If you look at the page for Outland, which I made, I spent a fair amount of time online trying to figure out what that shotgun was, and was successful eventually. I'll keep looking around to see if I can further improve The Brothers Grimm page, but I can't promise I'll be able to identify anymore. - Diego Wolfwood
- Good news. Thanks. Well at least you're not one of those guys who make a page and dump the 'work' of identifying guns on the other IMFDB users. That has happened in the past and it sure is irritating. One of the things is to research and start to remember the detail differences between guns, now most of the flintlock, matchlock, wheel lock guns were custom/hand made with the exception of 'some' sort of mass production for the Armies of the time, so it is hard to completely ID 'most' of the custom made pieces, however there are well known 'major' types. Since the filmmakers probably won't go out of their way to get a rare (and museum piece) original one off, they will probably get the more common but timeline appropriate weapons that are available at whatever armory they are using. Still, the purpose of IMFDB is not to point out the obvious to viewers ("Look, there's a Musket in the movie"), that observation is obvious to even a child who is watching the film. Our job here is to do "due diligence" and do our homework and try to ID the weapon as closely as possible. Sure we all make mistakes, but at least members are trying to educate the public. Good thing you're doing that. That is why I don't go out of my way to do FLINTLOCK technology entries. I don't know enough about them to give the public a good education about them. Anyway, I look forward to your progress on the page. :) MoviePropMaster2008 03:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't got around to it yet! I don't really know where to look but I was planning on checking out some other movie pages in a similar time period to see if I could notice any similarities. I've been busy today, I built the page last night before bed while I watched the movie. - Diego Wolfwood
- I may be wrong, but I think that generally the only way to tell a musket apart from a rifle externally was whether it had sights, and, like funkychinaman said, only one of the weapons appeared to have them. It was one of the flintlocks held by the villagers. The rest appear to be muskets.--Mr-Jigsaw 20:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC)