Talk:"Seburo Firearms": Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 19:48, 30 April 2015

What's the point of this?

I mean, I've seen these fictional weapons in manga and anime, but they don't hold much merit since they are indeed not real. Though they might be based on some real world design, it isn't like any of them are futuristic dress up versions of firearms we know, just "what if" evolutions of firearms. Excalibur01 04:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I've seen them in TV shows... Do you just hate animation?

I wouldn't have made several anime pages if I HATE animation. I just think that these Seburo guns don't belong here. Excalibur01 08:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I DON'T think animation belongs, but these props have shown up in live action shows. A few of them were in Battlestar Galactica. --funkychinaman 23:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

let's delete this page. --AdAstra2009 22:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC

On what grounds? No rules are being broken here, as stated before, these fictional firearms are used in multiple shows, both live action and anime, and if I recall, IMFDB has an ENTIRE index of fictional firearms. -- K 98.118.59.151 23:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Alot of them are just a shell around a real gun.--FIVETWOSEVEN 23:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

If they're from Japan, I highly doubt it's built around a real gun. --funkychinaman 23:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It's been several months now since the new rules that points out no fictional guns unless they were built from real world guns. Yes, all these guns do look awesome in the Anime they were featured in, but I think it's time to face the fact that they are not real world guns and should be deleted from the site Excalibur01 18:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

If firearms from Halo are not permitted to be on IMFDB I see no reason for this page to exist. There is no difference between the firearms on this page and the ones in Halo. --AdAstra2009 01:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Normally, I'd agree, but one of them was used as a prop gun in a legitimate live action production. If someone used a replica of a Halo Battle Rifle or Assault Rifle as a prop gun in a legit live action production, I'd argue for the same thing. Ultimately, isn't the point of this site prop guns? --funkychinaman 03:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Not really. This site isn't about mock guns. I've been very adamant on the fact that if it is fictional, it shouldn't be here. So what a "prop" non firing replica was used in BSG, but unless it fired a shot, it really doesnt count except for the actual BSG page Excalibur01 05:10, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright, that's fair. --funkychinaman 05:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

All relevant information on each weapon has been moved to individual series pages, and all links (outside of redirects and user talk pages) have been removed, so deleting this should be nice and easy now. Nuke away!--PistolJunkie 19:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, makes it easier for me to get rid of this page. Excalibur01 01:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

While we're on the topic, shouldn't the rest of the Fictional Firearms section get a good scrubbing to? We've got several listings that are for video game or anime guns with only one appearance to their names, not to mention that BFG page.--PistolJunkie 22:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I do somewhat agree that all fictional weapons be gone unless they are a shell built around real guns Excalibur01 18:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Does that mean that the Avatar page will loss half its weapons?--Spades of Columbia 18:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, were they any real guns built inside shells? Excalibur01 18:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not referring to fictional in-article weapons; just weapon-only articles. Fictional weapons in media get documented here all the time, it's just that some of them don't really need their own separate pages. To be specific, I was referring to the Obran, Ripper, AA3 grenades, BFG, the Kalash 2012, and the Joshua and Jackal. As for the pages for fictional weapons seen in Avatar, those are actual props (the revolver was actually built around a Dan Wesson and the rifles had Mini-14 receiver inside them), so I doubt those are going anywhere.--PistolJunkie 18:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Now that makes perfect sense to me. Thats interesting about the dan wesson, i wasn't aware of that.--Spades of Columbia 16:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

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 :If they're from Japan, I highly doubt it's built around a real gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
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+It's been several months now since the new rules that points out no fictional guns unless they were built from real world guns. Yes, all these guns do look awesome in the Anime they were featured in, but I think it's time to face the fact that they are not real world guns and should be deleted from the site [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
-While they are not built around live-fire weapons, they are built around 1:1 scale replicas (usually airsoft, but occasionally around good-old-fashioned models) of real firearms. Not all fictional weapons listed are built around real guns (the [[(Constantine) - Holy Shotgun|Holy Shotgun]] and the [[(Eraser) - EM-1 Railgun|EM-1]] come to mind), and some were never built to begin with and appear only in animated works (I'm looking at you, [[(Hellsing) - Hellsing Arms .454 Casull|Hellsing]] [[(Hellsing) - Jackal|Arms]]).
+If firearms from Halo are not permitted to be on IMFDB I see no reason for this page to exist. There is no difference between the firearms on this page and the ones in Halo. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 01:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
+:Normally, I'd agree, but one of them was used as a prop gun in a legitimate live action production. If someone used a replica of a Halo Battle Rifle or Assault Rifle as a prop gun in a legit live action production, I'd argue for the same thing. Ultimately, isn't the point of this site prop guns? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
-Not to mention that this page complies perfectly with [[IMFDB listing of Fictional Firearms|IMFDB standards for fictional firearms]]:
+Not really. This site isn't about mock guns. I've been very adamant on the fact that if it is fictional, it shouldn't be here. So what a "prop" non firing replica was used in BSG, but unless it fired a shot, it really doesnt count except for the actual BSG page [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:10, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
+:Alright, that's fair. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
+::All relevant information on each weapon has been moved to individual series pages, and all links (outside of redirects and user talk pages) have been removed, so deleting this should be nice and easy now. Nuke away!--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
-''* They can't be just talked about, they must appear on screen.''
+Thanks, makes it easier for me to get rid of this page. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
-:This obviously applies. There are several variants which I have removed from this page during its revamp that did not appear. All of the ones still here get screen time at some point or another.
-''* If they are fictional weapons built upon a real firearm (as in Red Heat or Starship Troopers) For example, all of the blaster weapons (either rebel or Imperial) in the Star Wars films that are built on real gun platforms, qualify to be here on this list.''
+:While we're on the topic, shouldn't the rest of the Fictional Firearms section get a good scrubbing to? We've got several listings that are for video game or anime guns with only one appearance to their names, not to mention that BFG page.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
-:Once again, the actual props for these are built on scale replicas instead of actual weapons, but seeing model guns on screen is not uncommon.
-''* If they are fictional / hypothetical weapons which may exist in real life but (so far does not).''
+I do somewhat agree that all fictional weapons be gone unless they are a shell built around real guns [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
-:Most of the Seburo designs are very feasable. If FN, H&K, ect. wanted to, they could easily produce most (if not all) of these weapons.
-''* If the weapon (for any reason) would lead the general public to believe that it is a real firearms or based on one.''
+Does that mean that the Avatar page will loss half its weapons?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
-:As most of these appear in the Ghost in the Shell franchise next to firearms that actually exist, it's not hard to imagine someone making this mistake. With weapons like the P90 and QBZ-95 becoming more and more well known, the CZN-M22 seems less unusual every day.
-''*Fantasy weapons which have no basis in real weapons technology do not belong here. So a Force Lance from "Andromeda" or a Klingon Disruptor from "Star Trek" or a Light Sabre from "Star Wars" do not qualify. No one would ever wonder if these weapons really exist today.''
+Well, were they any real guns built inside shells? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
-:No frikin' lazor beamz here. Just very fancy ballistic weapons.
-''* They must have some obvious screentime. A small blip in the deep background of a mass army scene won't count.''
+:I'm not referring to fictional in-article weapons; just weapon-only articles. Fictional weapons in media get documented here all the time, it's just that some of them don't really need their own separate pages. To be specific, I was referring to the Obran, Ripper, AA3 grenades, BFG, the Kalash 2012, and the Joshua and Jackal. As for the pages for fictional weapons seen in Avatar, those are actual props (the revolver was actually built around a Dan Wesson and the rifles had Mini-14 receiver inside them), so I doubt those are going anywhere.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
-:Once again, special mention goes to the CZN-M22 and the C26A.
-The only real difference between these weapons and the other fictional weapons that have their own page is that this page lists more than one gun for the sake of simplicity. I will also be making a page for New Dominion Tank Police soon, which features several Seburo weapons (at least MN-23 and M10 so far) along side TMPs, MAC-11s and M1911s.
+Now that makes perfect sense to me.  Thats interesting about the dan wesson, i wasn't aware of that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
---[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 00:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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