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=Other Images= | |||
==Variants== | |||
[[Image:CETMEC2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|CETME C2 - 9x23mm Largo]] | |||
[[Image:FAMAE PAF.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FAMAE PAF - 9x19mm Parabellum]] | |||
[[File:Patchett Mk.1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Patchett Mk.1 No.1, a prototype of the Sterling SMG - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:Patchett Mk.1 No.62.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Patchett Mk.1 No.62 - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:Patchett Prototype.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Patchett toolroom prototype of the Sterling SMG - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[Image:ANH DH-17.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stunt prop of the BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol from the ''[[Star Wars]]'' franchise. This particular prop is from the 1977 film ''[[Star Wars (1977)|Star Wars]]''.]] | |||
[[Image:SWE11br2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Prop of the BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol from the ''[[Star Wars]]'' franchise. This particular prop is from ''[[The Empire Strikes Back]]''.]] | |||
[[Image:SWE11br.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Replica of the BlasTech E-11 blaster rifle from the ''[[Star Wars]]'' franchise.]] | |||
[[File:ROTJ E11.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Prop of the BlasTech E-11 blaster rifle from the ''[[Star Wars]]'' franchise. This particular prop is likely from ''[[Return of the Jedi]]''.]] | |||
[[File:DH-17 blaster rifle TLJVD.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Prop of theBlasTech DH-17 blaster rifle from the ''[[Star Wars]]'' franchise.]] | |||
[[File:E22BlasterRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|BlasTech Industries E-22 Blaster rifle]] | |||
==Airsoft Replicas== | |||
[[Image:S&T Sterling L2A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|S&T Sterling L2A1 - 6mm BBs]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
==U.S. Special Forces== | ==U.S. Special Forces== | ||
A little off topic but a few years ago I saw an article in Soldier of Fortune about a Special Forces Humvee patrol in Afghanistan. The vehicles were loaded down with the usual weapons, M4s, M2 .50s and the like but what I found interesting was what was clipped to the dash. The vehicles all seemed to have Sterling L2A3s as, presumably, PDWs or something easy for the drivers to reach. The reason for my curiosity is that I thought the MP-5 was the de facto SMG of American Special Operations Forces. Anyone have any idea what the story could have been? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | A little off topic but a few years ago I saw an article in Soldier of Fortune about a Special Forces Humvee patrol in Afghanistan. The vehicles were loaded down with the usual weapons, M4s, M2 .50s and the like but what I found interesting was what was clipped to the dash. The vehicles all seemed to have Sterling L2A3s as, presumably, PDWs or something easy for the drivers to reach. The reason for my curiosity is that I thought the MP-5 was the de facto SMG of American Special Operations Forces. Anyone have any idea what the story could have been? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Well I'm not speaking from experience, but I do know that SFs have a wide latitude as to what weapons they can carry. I know that the Sterlings are REALLY slim and their slender body lines are great for stowing away on vehicles. For a backup, I'd carry one, and I can't see how an MP5 could be comfortably clipped to ANY dashboard... ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | ::Well I'm not speaking from experience, but I do know that SFs have a wide latitude as to what weapons they can carry. I know that the Sterlings are REALLY slim and their slender body lines are great for stowing away on vehicles. For a backup, I'd carry one, and I can't see how an MP5 could be comfortably clipped to ANY dashboard... ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::The Sterling was used by UK, Australian & NZ forces as driver & car guns. That was their only use. However, MP5s and MP5Ks (on bungie cordes hidden under the dash) became driver/car guns after 2005 (and as of 2007, few if any special forces in Iraq use any SMGs at all). A few British PMCs and PSCs used Sterlings in Iraq as their SMGs, until they were replaced by a shipment of MP5s, bought in 2007/8. And yes, the short carbines have started the death moves of the SMG - atleast in Iraq. | ::The Sterling was used by UK, Australian & NZ forces as driver & car guns. That was their only use. However, MP5s and MP5Ks (on bungie cordes hidden under the dash) became driver/car guns after 2005 (and as of 2007, few if any special forces in Iraq use any SMGs at all). A few British PMCs and PSCs used Sterlings in Iraq as their SMGs, until they were replaced by a shipment of MP5s, bought in 2007/8. And yes, the short carbines have started the death moves of the SMG - atleast in Iraq. | ||
:SMGs are still used by alot of SOF organizations for inside buildings where overpenetration is a concern. That said, the Sterlings in question may have been locally-acquired - there's lots of ex-British kit floating around Iraq and Afghanistan, both real and copied. Also, the Sterling was not just used for drivers, they used to be issued to radio operators and dispatch riders. You also have your countries wrong - Australia never issued the Sterling, they had the F1. India and Pakistan both used it, and here in Canada we had the C1 SMG, which was only a very slightly modified Sterling. In fact back in the day there was an actual C1 holster sold in Regimental kit shops - apparently it sucked. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | :SMGs are still used by alot of SOF organizations for inside buildings where overpenetration is a concern. That said, the Sterlings in question may have been locally-acquired - there's lots of ex-British kit floating around Iraq and Afghanistan, both real and copied. Also, the Sterling was not just used for drivers, they used to be issued to radio operators and dispatch riders. You also have your countries wrong - Australia never issued the Sterling, they had the F1. India and Pakistan both used it, as did most of Africa, Jamaica still issues it to reservists, and here in Canada we had the C1 SMG, which was only a very slightly modified Sterling. In fact back in the day there was an actual C1 holster sold in Regimental kit shops - apparently it sucked. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | ||
::Australia - I was told that they did use them in Iraq(upto 2009) but the Aussies are not my specialist subject. But cheers for that on the other users. I do know that quite a few private security services 'aquired' their MP5s from defeated local forces. | |||
==Why is there another pic of the Sterling Mk IV?== | |||
It is listed as an L2A3. the last I checked that's the same thing as the Mk IV. I am deleting the pic [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:49, 17 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
== Two things == | |||
1) Would it make sense to have an image of the experimental BSA submachine gun that appears to be the visual basis of the muzzle end of the "DH-17" Star Wars blasters? I'm aware that there was some discussion of this a while back. [http://armamentresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/WM-1702271880.jpg Here] is an okayish image of one from the [http://armamentresearch.com/british-sub-machine-gun-development-an-overview/ Ares and Forgotten Weapons] article video covering British SMG development. | |||
2) In theory, would holding the Sterling by its magazine should be less problematic than doing so with a Sten due to the double stack, ''double-feed'' design of the Sterling's magazines (whereas the Sten, MP40, and the magazines of many earlier SMGs had problems due to their double stack, ''single-feed'' design)? --[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:51, 23 May 2019 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 20:50, 1 January 2021
Other Images
Variants
Airsoft Replicas
Discussion
U.S. Special Forces
A little off topic but a few years ago I saw an article in Soldier of Fortune about a Special Forces Humvee patrol in Afghanistan. The vehicles were loaded down with the usual weapons, M4s, M2 .50s and the like but what I found interesting was what was clipped to the dash. The vehicles all seemed to have Sterling L2A3s as, presumably, PDWs or something easy for the drivers to reach. The reason for my curiosity is that I thought the MP-5 was the de facto SMG of American Special Operations Forces. Anyone have any idea what the story could have been? --Charon68 16:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well I'm not speaking from experience, but I do know that SFs have a wide latitude as to what weapons they can carry. I know that the Sterlings are REALLY slim and their slender body lines are great for stowing away on vehicles. For a backup, I'd carry one, and I can't see how an MP5 could be comfortably clipped to ANY dashboard... ;) MoviePropMaster2008 17:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe they were Brits or joint US\UK force? And by the way, MP5K is pretty agile too. Also, in my opinion SMG's became obsolete for front-line military application when ultra-short AR's saw widespead use.
- The Sterling was used by UK, Australian & NZ forces as driver & car guns. That was their only use. However, MP5s and MP5Ks (on bungie cordes hidden under the dash) became driver/car guns after 2005 (and as of 2007, few if any special forces in Iraq use any SMGs at all). A few British PMCs and PSCs used Sterlings in Iraq as their SMGs, until they were replaced by a shipment of MP5s, bought in 2007/8. And yes, the short carbines have started the death moves of the SMG - atleast in Iraq.
- SMGs are still used by alot of SOF organizations for inside buildings where overpenetration is a concern. That said, the Sterlings in question may have been locally-acquired - there's lots of ex-British kit floating around Iraq and Afghanistan, both real and copied. Also, the Sterling was not just used for drivers, they used to be issued to radio operators and dispatch riders. You also have your countries wrong - Australia never issued the Sterling, they had the F1. India and Pakistan both used it, as did most of Africa, Jamaica still issues it to reservists, and here in Canada we had the C1 SMG, which was only a very slightly modified Sterling. In fact back in the day there was an actual C1 holster sold in Regimental kit shops - apparently it sucked. - Nyles
- Australia - I was told that they did use them in Iraq(upto 2009) but the Aussies are not my specialist subject. But cheers for that on the other users. I do know that quite a few private security services 'aquired' their MP5s from defeated local forces.
Why is there another pic of the Sterling Mk IV?
It is listed as an L2A3. the last I checked that's the same thing as the Mk IV. I am deleting the pic MoviePropMaster2008 19:49, 17 May 2012 (CDT)
Two things
1) Would it make sense to have an image of the experimental BSA submachine gun that appears to be the visual basis of the muzzle end of the "DH-17" Star Wars blasters? I'm aware that there was some discussion of this a while back. Here is an okayish image of one from the Ares and Forgotten Weapons article video covering British SMG development.
2) In theory, would holding the Sterling by its magazine should be less problematic than doing so with a Sten due to the double stack, double-feed design of the Sterling's magazines (whereas the Sten, MP40, and the magazines of many earlier SMGs had problems due to their double stack, single-feed design)? --AgentGumby (talk) 12:51, 23 May 2019 (EDT)