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=Additional Variants= | |||
[[ | [[File:TotalRecallSS.png|thumb|none|500px|SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper modified with M203 Handguard and M1919 Barrel Jacket as used in the film ''[[Total_Recall_(1990)|Total Recall]]''.]] | ||
[[File:StreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper - 12 Gauge]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
==Now able to buy ... that's funny== | ==Now able to buy ... that's funny== | ||
I thought the original BAN on rotary shotguns was based on the design, not by name. However, the original BAN by Bill Clinton was by name, so I suppose that Sentinel Arm's newest offerings are legal to buy and sell. Don't quote me on that, but I know the original guns were declared Destructive Devices by good old Bill. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | I thought the original BAN on rotary shotguns was based on the design, not by name. However, the original BAN by Bill Clinton was by name, so I suppose that Sentinel Arm's newest offerings are legal to buy and sell. Don't quote me on that, but I know the original guns were declared Destructive Devices by good old Bill. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
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So... Semi-auto shotguns with tubular magazines are legal to buy w\o special license, but the one with drum mag goes under Class 3 permit? It shoots the same ammunition, it kills the same. Can someone explain the logic? | So... Semi-auto shotguns with tubular magazines are legal to buy w\o special license, but the one with drum mag goes under Class 3 permit? It shoots the same ammunition, it kills the same. Can someone explain the logic? | ||
Because it looks evil. Also there is no such thing as a class III permit. Just class III licensed dealers (According to federal law THEY have to be licensed to sell, you don't have to be to buy). Anyone who can pass a federal background check can buy a Class III weapon, if they can afford to buy and register it.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC) | :Because it looks evil. Also there is no such thing as a class III permit. Just class III licensed dealers (According to federal law THEY have to be licensed to sell, you don't have to be to buy). Anyone who can pass a federal background check can buy a Class III weapon, if they can afford to buy and register it.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Not true. Many states require state approval for any transfer of a Title II firearm, so you do NEED a Class III permit in some places. Only in states with minimal gun regulations, does the purchase and ownership default to purely Federal requirements. [[Special:Contributions/75.36.154.130|75.36.154.130]] 04:53, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
==We must verify what shotgun was what== | ==We must verify what shotgun was what== | ||
I am not sure we have correctly identified the proper shotguns for the sections. We must revisit these entries and try to verify if they are either Armsel or SWD/Cobray guns. Also is there proof than ANY Sentinel guns have made it into movies? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC) | I am not sure we have correctly identified the proper shotguns for the sections. We must revisit these entries and try to verify if they are either Armsel or SWD/Cobray guns. Also is there proof than ANY Sentinel guns have made it into movies? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Formatting and organization== | |||
I'm just about done with formatting and organization.I just have to organize the films by date. Some of the film may be removed when I can confirm that the weapon in question is or is not in the film. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 14:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
==MW2 Reload== | |||
For the Striker-12, does it actually reload like how it does in MW2? Specifically, can the tab on the side of the drum really advance the drum in real life? On page 11 of the Striker 12 manual page ([https://www.smallarmsreview.com/archive/detail.arc.entry.cfm?arcid=10528 Image 5 in this gallery]), the tab is said to be an "aperture button", and is used to open or close the ejection port. In Ian's [https://youtu.be/RlR1CI3ck_U?t=517 recent Forgotten Weapons video], he also only uses it as the ejection port button, though he didn't push it down. Is there any evidence that pushing the tab down will turn the drum? | |||
[[File:MW2 Protecta (5).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:57, 5 October 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Not near as I can tell; it's basically just a loading gate. Not to mention that if it did advance the cylinder, it'd probably advance it in the other direction, since that's the way that you're actually pushing it. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 09:11, 6 October 2019 (EDT) | |||
OK. After a few rounds of thorough thought into it, I have come to the conclusion that the tab to the right of the trigger cannot advance the chamber, and it is purely used to open/close the ejection port. Until concrete evidence is provided showing that it can act as a drum advance lever, I will consider the MW2 reload (and all the video game Striker-12 reloads that followed suit) to be completely BS. I have three key points supporting my conclusion: | |||
# The tab is clearly marked and used as a switch for the ejector port in its manual (see above). This is supported by video evidence from Forgotten Weapons. | |||
# The original Striker-12 (the version without the rear drum advance lever) user manual specifically states that you are supposed to use the winding key to advance the drum during reloads; at no point was a drum advance lever ever mentioned. | |||
# On later models, they ADDED a drum advance lever on the gun (behind the grip); if the tab could already advance the drum, then why do they still need the original Armsel Striker drum advance lever? | |||
--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:56, 15 October 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Penn Arms Striker official product catalogue == | |||
Rummaging through webarchive to find this shotgun official information/specification. Apparently this weapon has been de-listed from the official website of Combined Systems, parent of Penn Arms, from 2016 onwards | |||
Here are what I can find | |||
http://web.archive.org/web/20160412055147/https://www.combinedsystems.com/products/?cid=133 | |||
http://web.archive.org/web/20120417211732/http://www.pennarms.com/pennarms/12ga-Shotgun-Spring-SE.aspx | |||
This weapon is called Striker SE on their webpages. Also different is the pistol grip that allows attaching a fixed stock and an AR15 stock, instead of the more commonly seen top-folding stock. | |||
The current Combined Systems product catalogue, https://www.combinedsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Penn-Arms-Catalog-2011.pdf , which seems has not been update since 2011, still has Striker SE in it, near the last page of the catalogue. But I doubt the Penn Arms Striker are getting reinstated. | |||
== Striker optical sight == | |||
I always wonder what those optical sights occasionally found on Striker. So I began some searching. | |||
Found the official listing of the optic used on Striker shotgun. https://www.armsonusa.com/barprstsw.html | |||
The Armson Pro-Dot Striker/Street Sweeper optic is a collimating optical sight. The optic is not transparent, but the optic has an red dot image. When the user is using both eyes, one at the target and one down the sight, the "red dot" is superimposed to the user's other eye aiming at the target. The user can then aim at the target using the "red dot". | |||
Latest revision as of 14:36, 1 May 2021
Additional Variants
Discussion
Now able to buy ... that's funny
I thought the original BAN on rotary shotguns was based on the design, not by name. However, the original BAN by Bill Clinton was by name, so I suppose that Sentinel Arm's newest offerings are legal to buy and sell. Don't quote me on that, but I know the original guns were declared Destructive Devices by good old Bill. :( MoviePropMaster2008 20:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
- So wait, is Sentinel Arms manufacturing new Strikers for LEO/Class III sales? -MT2008 20:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
So... Semi-auto shotguns with tubular magazines are legal to buy w\o special license, but the one with drum mag goes under Class 3 permit? It shoots the same ammunition, it kills the same. Can someone explain the logic?
- Because it looks evil. Also there is no such thing as a class III permit. Just class III licensed dealers (According to federal law THEY have to be licensed to sell, you don't have to be to buy). Anyone who can pass a federal background check can buy a Class III weapon, if they can afford to buy and register it.-Ranger01 04:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Not true. Many states require state approval for any transfer of a Title II firearm, so you do NEED a Class III permit in some places. Only in states with minimal gun regulations, does the purchase and ownership default to purely Federal requirements. 75.36.154.130 04:53, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
We must verify what shotgun was what
I am not sure we have correctly identified the proper shotguns for the sections. We must revisit these entries and try to verify if they are either Armsel or SWD/Cobray guns. Also is there proof than ANY Sentinel guns have made it into movies? MoviePropMaster2008 19:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Formatting and organization
I'm just about done with formatting and organization.I just have to organize the films by date. Some of the film may be removed when I can confirm that the weapon in question is or is not in the film. Rockwolf66 14:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
MW2 Reload
For the Striker-12, does it actually reload like how it does in MW2? Specifically, can the tab on the side of the drum really advance the drum in real life? On page 11 of the Striker 12 manual page (Image 5 in this gallery), the tab is said to be an "aperture button", and is used to open or close the ejection port. In Ian's recent Forgotten Weapons video, he also only uses it as the ejection port button, though he didn't push it down. Is there any evidence that pushing the tab down will turn the drum?
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--Wuzh (talk) 18:57, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
- Not near as I can tell; it's basically just a loading gate. Not to mention that if it did advance the cylinder, it'd probably advance it in the other direction, since that's the way that you're actually pushing it. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:11, 6 October 2019 (EDT)
OK. After a few rounds of thorough thought into it, I have come to the conclusion that the tab to the right of the trigger cannot advance the chamber, and it is purely used to open/close the ejection port. Until concrete evidence is provided showing that it can act as a drum advance lever, I will consider the MW2 reload (and all the video game Striker-12 reloads that followed suit) to be completely BS. I have three key points supporting my conclusion:
- The tab is clearly marked and used as a switch for the ejector port in its manual (see above). This is supported by video evidence from Forgotten Weapons.
- The original Striker-12 (the version without the rear drum advance lever) user manual specifically states that you are supposed to use the winding key to advance the drum during reloads; at no point was a drum advance lever ever mentioned.
- On later models, they ADDED a drum advance lever on the gun (behind the grip); if the tab could already advance the drum, then why do they still need the original Armsel Striker drum advance lever?
--Wuzh (talk) 18:56, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
Penn Arms Striker official product catalogue
Rummaging through webarchive to find this shotgun official information/specification. Apparently this weapon has been de-listed from the official website of Combined Systems, parent of Penn Arms, from 2016 onwards
Here are what I can find
http://web.archive.org/web/20160412055147/https://www.combinedsystems.com/products/?cid=133
This weapon is called Striker SE on their webpages. Also different is the pistol grip that allows attaching a fixed stock and an AR15 stock, instead of the more commonly seen top-folding stock.
The current Combined Systems product catalogue, https://www.combinedsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Penn-Arms-Catalog-2011.pdf , which seems has not been update since 2011, still has Striker SE in it, near the last page of the catalogue. But I doubt the Penn Arms Striker are getting reinstated.
Striker optical sight
I always wonder what those optical sights occasionally found on Striker. So I began some searching.
Found the official listing of the optic used on Striker shotgun. https://www.armsonusa.com/barprstsw.html
The Armson Pro-Dot Striker/Street Sweeper optic is a collimating optical sight. The optic is not transparent, but the optic has an red dot image. When the user is using both eyes, one at the target and one down the sight, the "red dot" is superimposed to the user's other eye aiming at the target. The user can then aim at the target using the "red dot".