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==Damons P226 a Sig P228?== | |||
According to http://www.propstore.com/products.htm?movieIdForm=1455&productsKeywordSearchform=&pageNum=&show_all_items_form=&isSubmitSearch=0&isNewAdditions=0&isArchive=0&categoryIdForm=0&genreIdForm=0&productsSortType=0&recordsPerPage=100 | According to http://www.propstore.com/products.htm?movieIdForm=1455&productsKeywordSearchform=&pageNum=&show_all_items_form=&isSubmitSearch=0&isNewAdditions=0&isArchive=0&categoryIdForm=0&genreIdForm=0&productsSortType=0&recordsPerPage=100 | ||
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:If you go to the web site, Prop Store claims it was used by Damon in this movie, even though I'm not sure where (he only uses 226s on-screen, as far as I can tell). As for the Bourne movies, he uses SIG Pros in the first and last movies, and a P225 in the second. No P228s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC) | :If you go to the web site, Prop Store claims it was used by Damon in this movie, even though I'm not sure where (he only uses 226s on-screen, as far as I can tell). As for the Bourne movies, he uses SIG Pros in the first and last movies, and a P225 in the second. No P228s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
::The description of the item does describe it as a P226 though. Maybe they're just using the wrong pictures. The pistol in the movie stills is clearly not the same gun as in the detail shots. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 18:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC) | ::The description of the item does describe it as a P226 though. Maybe they're just using the wrong pictures. The pistol in the movie stills is clearly not the same gun as in the detail shots. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 18:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
Okay though, http://nranews.com/#/news/VideoModule/Handguns%20Used%20By%20All%20Star%20Cast%20Of%20Gangster%20Film.xml | Okay though, http://nranews.com/#/news/VideoModule/Handguns%20Used%20By%20All%20Star%20Cast%20Of%20Gangster%20Film.xml | ||
:Oh come on, you'd think these guys of all people who be able to distinguish a P226 and a P228. And "silencer?" I KNOW this guy knows what's he's talking about too. He's been on "Tales of the Gun" many times. (And he's kind of let himself go.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | :Oh come on, you'd think these guys of all people who be able to distinguish a P226 and a P228. And "silencer?" I KNOW this guy knows what's he's talking about too. He's been on "Tales of the Gun" many times. (And he's kind of let himself go.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
Other pics of it: | |||
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/03/26/guns-from-the-departed-movie/ | |||
::OK, I just got this movie on Blu-Ray, and I am still very confused. I realize that there is a P228 on display in the NRA Museum and also sold by PropStore, which is said to have been verified as Damon's pistol in the movie. But if '''you actually watch the movie''', the gun which appears '''on screen''' is a P226, not a 228. It has the squared trigger guard and longer barrel of the 226. I realize that I am contradicting ostensibly accurate sources, but I know my SIGs, and I know a 226 vs. a 228 when I see one. The only explanation I have is that maybe the armorer brought a 228 instead of a 226 to the set one day, and perhaps this pistol was carried by Damon in his holster or something. I'll need to check the movie again to see if there are any scenes where the 228 grip is visible in Damon's holster. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:49, 28 June 2011 (CDT) | |||
On the actual dvd disc there is a picture ( i think) of a p228 with its slide locked back. (statichunter 2012) | |||
:: Lol, just looked at this page again, and that whole P226/P228 thing really needs to be figured out, as the page looks funny having both of those guns in the same article. While there is info about a P228 being used in the film, I agree with MT2008 that all these caps show P226s. I haven't changed anything in that regard in the section but eventually I really think the two guns should be made into separate sections or something. Would be nice if some more screenshots could be got to better show the guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:08, 28 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I have the Blu-Ray at home, I can redo the page with BD caps. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:14, 28 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Infernal Affairs rip off == | == Infernal Affairs rip off == | ||
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I think some people preferred ''The Departed'' because, even though the two films have identical plots, the subtlety of the Chinese criminals in ''Infernal Affairs'' gives the film a slightly slower pace than the more flamboyant Irish criminals of ''The Departed'' gave to their respective movie. | I think some people preferred ''The Departed'' because, even though the two films have identical plots, the subtlety of the Chinese criminals in ''Infernal Affairs'' gives the film a slightly slower pace than the more flamboyant Irish criminals of ''The Departed'' gave to their respective movie. | ||
:I liked the subtleties. IA had better character development. Departed wrapped everything up a little too neatly. (And speaking of wrapping everything up a little too neatly, check out the Red Chinese ending, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWT04Wkwtb4] Roughly translated, the police say they've uncovered that he's working for gangsters, and they take him away. And that's it.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I'm not saying the subtleties are bad, however, there are some people who have shorter attention spans and prefer a quicker paced film. Also I did see the alternate ending and thought it was sort of a ''Deus ex Machina'' deal. I never knew that it was developed specifically for mainland China. Do all Honk Kong films have to have alternate "Communist Friendly" endings? Also, if the Mainland version used the alternate ending, what happened in ''[[Infernal Affairs 3]]'' when the truth came out? | |||
:::I don't know if they do that for every movie, but IA was unusual in which all the good guys died and the bad guy walked away completely unscathed. I can see why the communists wouldn't want that message coming across. And the sequels didn't feel like they were planned out in advance, more like the original made lots of money and they were trying to cash in. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 12:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
I'm Chinese, but I was born and raised in America, so I understand the cultural differences, but basically the plot is the exact same, the lines are almost the same. The girlfriend plot is the same. The old cop, etc. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Nicholson Used A Real Gun? == | |||
"For their climactic showdown at a Boston bar in the Best Picture-winning The Departed, Jack Nicholson decided to raise the stakes a bit on co-star Leonardo DiCaprio. According to a new book and an interview with director Martin Scorsese, Nicholson pulled a real gun and threatened DiCaprio with it -- a gun DiCaprio knew was real... and probably loaded." | |||
http://www.nerve.com/news/movies/jack-nicholson-pulled-real-gun-on-leonardo-dicaprio-during-the-departed-shooting | |||
If it is true, then that is a very unprofessional and what the fuck moment. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
I doubt it's true. If it is the film's weapons master really fell asleep at the wheel. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] | |||
I think it's a possibility. I think in the Deer Hunter something similar happened. De Niro put a live round into a gun to make the scene more tense [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 20:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
That's news for me. But I don't think these actors would really risk their lives or the lives of others just for the sake of tension. A Blank at that range could kill you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
Yeah, De Niro used a live round in the scene where he plays Russian Roulette with John Gazale. The crew did check that the bullet wasn't the next one, though. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 21:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
So what's the point then? Seems a bit reckless for the sake of tension [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
to my understanding there are laws against that in the movie biz. | |||
It's a real gun, but it's blank converted. The propstore has had it up for sale for like a year. I think the idea was that it wasn't a rubber stunt gun, not that it was loaded. --[[User:James3|James3]] 22:48, 28 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:27, 11 July 2023
Damons P226 a Sig P228?
and
http://www.propstore.com/img/products/1455/Damon_SIG228_3.jpg
Damon's gun is a P228. Not a P226.
- I've been trying to figure this out myself. PropStore is selling the P228, but in the movie, Damon's gun clearly has the longer barrel and squared trigger guard of the P226. It's possible that armory which supplied the guns was short on 226s and had to use a 228 as a back-up weapon (all "hero" guns on movie sets have a back-up double). But as best I can tell, the only SIGs that appear on-screen in The Departed are 226s. -MT2008 13:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
The Image is called Damon_SIG228_3, nothing refering to THIS movie. Could this be a prop from the Bourne movies, didnt he use a 228 in that?
- If you go to the web site, Prop Store claims it was used by Damon in this movie, even though I'm not sure where (he only uses 226s on-screen, as far as I can tell). As for the Bourne movies, he uses SIG Pros in the first and last movies, and a P225 in the second. No P228s. -MT2008 17:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- The description of the item does describe it as a P226 though. Maybe they're just using the wrong pictures. The pistol in the movie stills is clearly not the same gun as in the detail shots. --funkychinaman 18:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Okay though, http://nranews.com/#/news/VideoModule/Handguns%20Used%20By%20All%20Star%20Cast%20Of%20Gangster%20Film.xml
- Oh come on, you'd think these guys of all people who be able to distinguish a P226 and a P228. And "silencer?" I KNOW this guy knows what's he's talking about too. He's been on "Tales of the Gun" many times. (And he's kind of let himself go.) --funkychinaman 20:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Other pics of it:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/03/26/guns-from-the-departed-movie/
- OK, I just got this movie on Blu-Ray, and I am still very confused. I realize that there is a P228 on display in the NRA Museum and also sold by PropStore, which is said to have been verified as Damon's pistol in the movie. But if you actually watch the movie, the gun which appears on screen is a P226, not a 228. It has the squared trigger guard and longer barrel of the 226. I realize that I am contradicting ostensibly accurate sources, but I know my SIGs, and I know a 226 vs. a 228 when I see one. The only explanation I have is that maybe the armorer brought a 228 instead of a 226 to the set one day, and perhaps this pistol was carried by Damon in his holster or something. I'll need to check the movie again to see if there are any scenes where the 228 grip is visible in Damon's holster. -MT2008 13:49, 28 June 2011 (CDT)
On the actual dvd disc there is a picture ( i think) of a p228 with its slide locked back. (statichunter 2012)
- Lol, just looked at this page again, and that whole P226/P228 thing really needs to be figured out, as the page looks funny having both of those guns in the same article. While there is info about a P228 being used in the film, I agree with MT2008 that all these caps show P226s. I haven't changed anything in that regard in the section but eventually I really think the two guns should be made into separate sections or something. Would be nice if some more screenshots could be got to better show the guns. StanTheMan (talk) 22:08, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
- I have the Blu-Ray at home, I can redo the page with BD caps. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:14, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
- Lol, just looked at this page again, and that whole P226/P228 thing really needs to be figured out, as the page looks funny having both of those guns in the same article. While there is info about a P228 being used in the film, I agree with MT2008 that all these caps show P226s. I haven't changed anything in that regard in the section but eventually I really think the two guns should be made into separate sections or something. Would be nice if some more screenshots could be got to better show the guns. StanTheMan (talk) 22:08, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
Infernal Affairs rip off
I'm not saying the Departed is a bad movie and they even said they based the main villain boss off a real crook, but I seriously doubt these events were based on anything real. Everything about it is exactly the same as Infernal Affair, except the very last scene of the movie. If you saw the Departed first and then saw the Chinese movie, you'd think the Chinese ripped off a great American movie, but it's entirely the other way around. I'm not going to argue which is superior. They are both good movies since they both told the same story well, just that the Chinese did it first and made a sequel and a prequel out of it. I just want to put down my two cents about this fact. The people behind the movie Departed admitting a bit that their source was a legally acquired "remake" doesn't mean anything. There are remakes, reboots and then there's frame by frame thief. The Departed isn't a bad movie, but that's because it's the same thing of an already good Chinese movie. I mean they even did the same thing in both movies in hiring 2 very well known actors of their respective countries. If the audience sees 2 top actors in their movie, then it must win awards Excalibur01 15:29, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- I completely agree that this is a virtual shot-for-shot remake of Infernal Affairs only grittyer, however, I seem to recall reading that Martin Scorsese bought the rights to remake IA as an American film. As long as he doesn't try to claim that this was his original idea, I don't see any problem with this being a remake. -Anonymous
- The fact that it was a remake was no secret, and it was even announced on Oscar night when it won best picture that it was a remake, although they messed up and referred to the original as a Japanese movie, instead of a Hong Kong movie. And for the record, I think the original IA was better. --funkychinaman 16:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
That is what hollywood does now...they cant make their own movie so they have gone out into the world and start to remake their hard earned movie. Look at "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo". The movie was just put out in 2009 by europe and now hollywood wants to make it again with Daniel Craig and whatever hot american chick they can find. Hollywood wants to remake oldboy...which they should keep their greedy little hands off of because the original is mind blowing. Then lets not forget Death at a Funeral which was a funny movie all and all and it came out in 2007, then hollywood thought they would make a american black version not even two years later and didnt even have the respect for the British Version to replace the midget with another actor, they are that lame with non-originalism they didnt change one thing in the movie almost word for word scene for scene. Spades of Columbia
And it gets worse. I tried to show a buddy of mine who really liked Departed, showed him Infernal Affair and he liked the Departed more solely because he saw it first. If he saw Infernal Affairs first, then he'd like that and call the Departed a rip off. Excalibur01 02:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I really liked both Infernal Affairs and The Departed. But when I watched The Departed, I pretty much laughed whenever someone drops an F bomb.
I think some people preferred The Departed because, even though the two films have identical plots, the subtlety of the Chinese criminals in Infernal Affairs gives the film a slightly slower pace than the more flamboyant Irish criminals of The Departed gave to their respective movie.
- I liked the subtleties. IA had better character development. Departed wrapped everything up a little too neatly. (And speaking of wrapping everything up a little too neatly, check out the Red Chinese ending, [1] Roughly translated, the police say they've uncovered that he's working for gangsters, and they take him away. And that's it.)--funkychinaman 03:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not saying the subtleties are bad, however, there are some people who have shorter attention spans and prefer a quicker paced film. Also I did see the alternate ending and thought it was sort of a Deus ex Machina deal. I never knew that it was developed specifically for mainland China. Do all Honk Kong films have to have alternate "Communist Friendly" endings? Also, if the Mainland version used the alternate ending, what happened in Infernal Affairs 3 when the truth came out?
- I don't know if they do that for every movie, but IA was unusual in which all the good guys died and the bad guy walked away completely unscathed. I can see why the communists wouldn't want that message coming across. And the sequels didn't feel like they were planned out in advance, more like the original made lots of money and they were trying to cash in. --funkychinaman 12:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not saying the subtleties are bad, however, there are some people who have shorter attention spans and prefer a quicker paced film. Also I did see the alternate ending and thought it was sort of a Deus ex Machina deal. I never knew that it was developed specifically for mainland China. Do all Honk Kong films have to have alternate "Communist Friendly" endings? Also, if the Mainland version used the alternate ending, what happened in Infernal Affairs 3 when the truth came out?
I'm Chinese, but I was born and raised in America, so I understand the cultural differences, but basically the plot is the exact same, the lines are almost the same. The girlfriend plot is the same. The old cop, etc. Excalibur01 03:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Nicholson Used A Real Gun?
"For their climactic showdown at a Boston bar in the Best Picture-winning The Departed, Jack Nicholson decided to raise the stakes a bit on co-star Leonardo DiCaprio. According to a new book and an interview with director Martin Scorsese, Nicholson pulled a real gun and threatened DiCaprio with it -- a gun DiCaprio knew was real... and probably loaded."
If it is true, then that is a very unprofessional and what the fuck moment. Excalibur01 03:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I doubt it's true. If it is the film's weapons master really fell asleep at the wheel. -Anonymous
I think it's a possibility. I think in the Deer Hunter something similar happened. De Niro put a live round into a gun to make the scene more tense ShootingLiberal 20:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
That's news for me. But I don't think these actors would really risk their lives or the lives of others just for the sake of tension. A Blank at that range could kill you Excalibur01 20:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, De Niro used a live round in the scene where he plays Russian Roulette with John Gazale. The crew did check that the bullet wasn't the next one, though. BeardedHoplite 21:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
So what's the point then? Seems a bit reckless for the sake of tension Excalibur01 21:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
to my understanding there are laws against that in the movie biz.
It's a real gun, but it's blank converted. The propstore has had it up for sale for like a year. I think the idea was that it wasn't a rubber stunt gun, not that it was loaded. --James3 22:48, 28 April 2011 (CDT)