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Talk:Perfect Dark: Difference between revisions
Okay. Clean slate. If you must argue, argue here and not on the gun page itself. Okay? Please refrain from making changes until they have been discussed. That is the name, and therefore purpose of the discussion page. Also, please don't delete this off hand yet, okay? I did spend a fair amount of time taking screenshots, and a slightly greater time writing pithy stuff about guns. Thanks. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 01:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Clean slate. If you must argue, argue here and not on the gun page itself. Okay? Please refrain from making changes until they have been discussed. That is the name, and therefore purpose of the discussion page. Also, please don't delete this off hand yet, okay? I did spend a fair amount of time taking screenshots, and a slightly greater time writing pithy stuff about guns. Thanks. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 01:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
== Super Dragon ==
== Super Dragon ==
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Perfect Dark XBLA was released March 17, 2010. It is a direct port of Perfect Dark (N64) but features new surface textures and redone gun and character models. All of the screens on this page should be replaced with the high rez versions from Perfect Dark XBLA. Rareware has stated that the port features gun models the way they would have liked them to look if N64 technology would allow. [Bladerunner07]6/26/10
Perfect Dark XBLA was released March 17, 2010. It is a direct port of Perfect Dark (N64) but features new surface textures and redone gun and character models. All of the screens on this page should be replaced with the high rez versions from Perfect Dark XBLA. Rareware has stated that the port features gun models the way they would have liked them to look if N64 technology would allow. [Bladerunner07]6/26/10
I looked online and got a few shots, and yeah, they're clearer models, but clearer models of what? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:PDXBLA_comparison_1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|CMP 150 on Perfect Dark on XBLA.]]
[[Image:PDN64_comparison_1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|CMP 150 on Perfect Dark on N64.]]
[[Image:PDXBLA_Falcon2_1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|New Falcon 2. Still not very clear]]
[[Image:PDXBLA_Magsec_1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|New MagSec 4. Now it's just more confusing]]
== RCP-120 ==
== RCP-120 ==
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For the record, I myself agree the weapon very much resembles (and even could be based off) the [[Starship Troopers]] Morita carbine (The officer's rifle, without the Ithaca shotgun). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
For the record, I myself agree the weapon very much resembles (and even could be based off) the [[Starship Troopers]] Morita carbine (The officer's rifle, without the Ithaca shotgun). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
== I am putting my foot down because pages like these cannot be ignored for long ==
We don't know if they are actually based on any guns at all. Sure they LOOK like guns we've seen, but mostly this is an old game and it's hard to tell. We should just delete the guns that just aren't real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:48, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:Um, that's as obvious a WA2000 as you're ever going to get with N64 graphics. Last I checked even AdAstra never disagreed with that ID. You're overreacting. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:59, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
It does not look like a WA2000 at all. I might as well continue ignoring this page solely on the fact that it is on a console that is old and the graphics back then are subpar compared to today, but it just looks so awkward that it can't be a WA2000. And if you disagree with me on that, what about the others I deleted? They don't look like anything real [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:03, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:Got a shot from the side here that should make more it obvious than it is in first person:
:Same general layout, same grip, same distinctive rectangular frame around the lower part of the barrel. Aside from a texture that makes it look like part of a steam engine and a silly scope, it's basically the same weapon. The others I mostly agree with, I'll give you a bulleted list when I get home from work. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:32, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:Ok, here goes:
*Laptop Gun: I kinda see where this is coming from (which makes sense, since I was the one who made the connection in the first place) but it shouldn't be labelled as a UC-M21; it's pretty obvious they based it on Hob's gun from ''Robocop 2'', but it's based on it conceptually ("let's have a gun that folds up like that one in ''Robocop''"), it doesn't actually look like it at all. It might be worth keeping it just to make note of the connection (they got the idea from here, but did not base the weapon's looks on a real gun) but that's about it.
*RCP-120: Yeah, that doesn't look like a P90, and "based on a gun based on a P90" doesn't really fly when even the original didn't look much like a P90.
*Dragon: It's a pulse rifle because it's green and has a carrying handle. That's about as far as that one goes.
*K7: I kinda agree with the Morita resemblance, but it's like the sniper rifle, you really can't see it except on the item menu, and in the K7's case it's a pretty loose resemblance even then.
*Shotgun: I have no idea how that is supposed to resemble a SPAS.
:I'd say definitely restore the sniper rifle and I can get you a better screencap if that one isn't clear enough (it's even called the CI2010 in the manual, it's one of the most clearly real guns in the game) and I'm in two minds about a couple of the others, but definitely leave off the RCP-120, Dragon and Shotgun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:08, 8 October 2011 (CDT)
== Walther PPK aka PP9i is chambered in .32 ACP, not .380 ==
In the Goldeneye Movie, and I quote this from this link on this site: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/GoldenEye
"Walther PPK, Seven-Point-Six-Five-Millimeter. Only three men I know use such a gun. I believe I've killed two of them." -Valentin Zukovsky to James Bond.
.32 ACP is the same as 7.65 mm Browning as explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.32_ACP
The PP9i is based off the PP7 which is the .32 ACP PPK from the Goldeneye movie.
The caliber on this page is inaccurate and must be changed here and on the Goldeneye 007 page. [[User:RugerLord|RugerLord]] 14:10, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
:It doesn't matter what was in the game, that particular image of a PPK was identified by the uploader as a PPK in .380. And whatever occurred in Goldeneye the movie is irrelevant here. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:08, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
::[[Image:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] Alright, i fixed with a .32 ACP PPK pic [[User:ColdSteel|ColdSteel]] 21:24, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
== I changed the KF7 Special from AKMS to Norinco Type 56-1 ==
Since it is based on the exact same gun as whats in Goldeneye, which is a Norinco Type 56-1, I changed it to that. The closed circle front sights are a dead giveaway. [[User:ColdSteel|ColdSteel]] 21:55, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
== Fictional Weapons ==
While I don't fully agree with the exclusion of fictional weapons (As some pages on here I have found to include completely fictional weapons). Perhaps we can use the discussion page to document these? Quite like I have seen it used to document alternate variations of guns, or knifes in some games. What do you guys think? --[[User:Chris Jeremic|Cheers, Chris J]] 02:20, 3 September 2012 (CDT)
::Come on, guys? Anything? The page feels really dinky and incomplete with whats on it, it would be awesome if I could work on entries for the fictional weapon on the discussion page, I'm just not sure if it would be accepted on here if I did, hence why I want someone who has been on the site for longer to give me the OK, or give me some ideas >.< --[[User:Chris Jeremic|Cheers, Chris J]] ([[User talk:Chris Jeremic|talk]]) 19:40, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
:::Sure, why not. Do you have screen caps? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:45, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
::::I've brought up the huge imbalance in allowing fictional weapons on the site before, but I never got a response. It seems to be fine to include them (even in the main article) on some pages, but not on others. Personally, I don't have a problem with you doing what you're suggesting, but I can't guarantee others will agree with you.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 04:10, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::They're allowed on the main page when they're actual physical props, reasonably believable, or there's only a couple for trivia purposes. I don't think any of those really apply to most of the fictional weapons in this one. Discussion page is ok, I guess. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:27, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::I get that, but one of the pages I worked on that was deleted was Killzone 2, and some of the weapons in that game are literally made up from rearranged parts of real-world weapons - not parts that look similar, ''literally pieces of real guns'' put together in a different way. I thought that was worth mentioning, but the page got deleted. I wouldn't mind that, except there are plenty of pages on here with weapons that bear far less relation to anything real that are allowed to stay (the Perfect Dark article being a prime example - e.g. other than it's vague shape, the AR34 looks nothing like a FAMAS). I admit the problem's far more prevalent with video game pages, but it'd be nice if there was more consistency.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 04:35, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::I remain of the opinion that the KZ series is a doable page, the main problem being Killzone has a strong association on this site with a certifiable nutcase who decided a good way to get his own way was cyberstalking one of the admins. This means that if it's anything short of a featured article on its first edit it's likely to go in the trashcan, I'm afraid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:39, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Killzone would also crack the door open for Halo pages. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:50, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::I missed quite the discussion in my absence? Alrightay, I will do the fictional weapons on the discussion page as... discussed I suppose? I am going to have access to my laptop in the coming days (What I used to take captures for the Goldeneye page recently), and then I should be able to throw this stuff together. Thanks guys! --[[User:Chris Jeremic|Cheers, Chris J]] ([[User talk:Chris Jeremic|talk]]) 06:42, 14 September 2012 (EDT)
Latest revision as of 10:42, 14 September 2012
Okay. Clean slate. If you must argue, argue here and not on the gun page itself. Okay? Please refrain from making changes until they have been discussed. That is the name, and therefore purpose of the discussion page. Also, please don't delete this off hand yet, okay? I did spend a fair amount of time taking screenshots, and a slightly greater time writing pithy stuff about guns. Thanks. --ManiacallyChallenged 01:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to let people know that I took the liberty to talk about the 1986 film Aliens pulse rife in this section because the similarities are to big to be ignored. Look for yourself. (6/26/2010)
Laptop Gun
Nice page, i recently got addicted to this game. but what real firearm would the laptop gun be based on?
Nothing. Read the in-game description. It unfolds, boots up, etc. Can be a sentry gun with a gatling barrel. What have you. Does that sound like a real gun? It may have been based on another fictional gun in a different show or movie, but that doesn't really count. --ManiacallyChallenged 20:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Actually, that's not quite true, the Laptop gun could have been loosely based off the Russian PP-90 or the American Ares FMG which was mean't to fold up into a sort of case. They likely just added the Sentry gun as a cool secondary mode and modified it to look more like a laptop to make it look more futuristic. Draco122 20:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Perfect Dark XBLA
Uhh If anyone could post Perfect Dark Xbox live Arcade Pictures, that would be great.
I Played the demo, and the main differences seem to be in the character models. The weapons don't look that much different. --Funkychinaman 14:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
No new Perfect Dark HD Version wasn't Added, If anyone could please post the Xbox 360 verisons, that would be great!, I heard that the graphics is astounding, accept the enemy Al, the wacky aim system, and the Storyline (which is the same)
The 360 version is a different game, Perfect Dark Zero. It has it's own page. The graphics were average, and everything else was terrible. --ManiacallyChallenged
They re-released Perfect Dark for Xbox Live Arcade. No one is talking about PDZ --SPARTAN B657 00:49, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Perfect Dark XBLA was released March 17, 2010. It is a direct port of Perfect Dark (N64) but features new surface textures and redone gun and character models. All of the screens on this page should be replaced with the high rez versions from Perfect Dark XBLA. Rareware has stated that the port features gun models the way they would have liked them to look if N64 technology would allow. [Bladerunner07]6/26/10
I looked online and got a few shots, and yeah, they're clearer models, but clearer models of what? --funkychinaman 16:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
It only very superficially resembles a Muzzlelite. If anything thinking the RCP-120 is a muzzelite is simply the result of an overactive imagination. The goal of this site is to find the weapon that the PD weapon was based off, not to find a weapon that superficially resembles it and claiming that it is what the RCP-120 is. --AdAstra2009 19:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
The RCP-120 was the successor to the RC-P90 in Goldeneye, which was based on the FN P90. --Funkychinaman 22:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- So until it can be determined/decided what the gun may actually be based off of, it's completely unacceptable even to merely point out it does resemble a Muzzelite to a fair degree? Or even to state how it could be based off a Muzzelite, and that that point can be discussed? The Dragon below it still has text in it along those lines. StanTheMan 01:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
K7 Avenger
For the record, I myself agree the weapon very much resembles (and even could be based off) the Starship Troopers Morita carbine (The officer's rifle, without the Ithaca shotgun). StanTheMan 02:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I am putting my foot down because pages like these cannot be ignored for long
We don't know if they are actually based on any guns at all. Sure they LOOK like guns we've seen, but mostly this is an old game and it's hard to tell. We should just delete the guns that just aren't real. Excalibur01 17:48, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
Um, that's as obvious a WA2000 as you're ever going to get with N64 graphics. Last I checked even AdAstra never disagreed with that ID. You're overreacting. Evil Tim 17:59, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
It does not look like a WA2000 at all. I might as well continue ignoring this page solely on the fact that it is on a console that is old and the graphics back then are subpar compared to today, but it just looks so awkward that it can't be a WA2000. And if you disagree with me on that, what about the others I deleted? They don't look like anything real Excalibur01 18:03, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
Got a shot from the side here that should make more it obvious than it is in first person:
Same general layout, same grip, same distinctive rectangular frame around the lower part of the barrel. Aside from a texture that makes it look like part of a steam engine and a silly scope, it's basically the same weapon. The others I mostly agree with, I'll give you a bulleted list when I get home from work. Evil Tim 20:32, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
Ok, here goes:
Laptop Gun: I kinda see where this is coming from (which makes sense, since I was the one who made the connection in the first place) but it shouldn't be labelled as a UC-M21; it's pretty obvious they based it on Hob's gun from Robocop 2, but it's based on it conceptually ("let's have a gun that folds up like that one in Robocop"), it doesn't actually look like it at all. It might be worth keeping it just to make note of the connection (they got the idea from here, but did not base the weapon's looks on a real gun) but that's about it.
RCP-120: Yeah, that doesn't look like a P90, and "based on a gun based on a P90" doesn't really fly when even the original didn't look much like a P90.
Dragon: It's a pulse rifle because it's green and has a carrying handle. That's about as far as that one goes.
K7: I kinda agree with the Morita resemblance, but it's like the sniper rifle, you really can't see it except on the item menu, and in the K7's case it's a pretty loose resemblance even then.
Shotgun: I have no idea how that is supposed to resemble a SPAS.
I'd say definitely restore the sniper rifle and I can get you a better screencap if that one isn't clear enough (it's even called the CI2010 in the manual, it's one of the most clearly real guns in the game) and I'm in two minds about a couple of the others, but definitely leave off the RCP-120, Dragon and Shotgun. Evil Tim 01:08, 8 October 2011 (CDT)
Walther PPK aka PP9i is chambered in .32 ACP, not .380
"Walther PPK, Seven-Point-Six-Five-Millimeter. Only three men I know use such a gun. I believe I've killed two of them." -Valentin Zukovsky to James Bond.
The PP9i is based off the PP7 which is the .32 ACP PPK from the Goldeneye movie.
The caliber on this page is inaccurate and must be changed here and on the Goldeneye 007 page. RugerLord 14:10, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
It doesn't matter what was in the game, that particular image of a PPK was identified by the uploader as a PPK in .380. And whatever occurred in Goldeneye the movie is irrelevant here. --Funkychinaman 15:08, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
I changed the KF7 Special from AKMS to Norinco Type 56-1
Since it is based on the exact same gun as whats in Goldeneye, which is a Norinco Type 56-1, I changed it to that. The closed circle front sights are a dead giveaway. ColdSteel 21:55, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
Fictional Weapons
While I don't fully agree with the exclusion of fictional weapons (As some pages on here I have found to include completely fictional weapons). Perhaps we can use the discussion page to document these? Quite like I have seen it used to document alternate variations of guns, or knifes in some games. What do you guys think? --Cheers, Chris J 02:20, 3 September 2012 (CDT)
Come on, guys? Anything? The page feels really dinky and incomplete with whats on it, it would be awesome if I could work on entries for the fictional weapon on the discussion page, I'm just not sure if it would be accepted on here if I did, hence why I want someone who has been on the site for longer to give me the OK, or give me some ideas >.< --Cheers, Chris J (talk) 19:40, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
Sure, why not. Do you have screen caps? --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:45, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
I've brought up the huge imbalance in allowing fictional weapons on the site before, but I never got a response. It seems to be fine to include them (even in the main article) on some pages, but not on others. Personally, I don't have a problem with you doing what you're suggesting, but I can't guarantee others will agree with you.--Leigh Burne (talk) 04:10, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
They're allowed on the main page when they're actual physical props, reasonably believable, or there's only a couple for trivia purposes. I don't think any of those really apply to most of the fictional weapons in this one. Discussion page is ok, I guess. Evil Tim (talk) 04:27, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
I get that, but one of the pages I worked on that was deleted was Killzone 2, and some of the weapons in that game are literally made up from rearranged parts of real-world weapons - not parts that look similar, literally pieces of real guns put together in a different way. I thought that was worth mentioning, but the page got deleted. I wouldn't mind that, except there are plenty of pages on here with weapons that bear far less relation to anything real that are allowed to stay (the Perfect Dark article being a prime example - e.g. other than it's vague shape, the AR34 looks nothing like a FAMAS). I admit the problem's far more prevalent with video game pages, but it'd be nice if there was more consistency.--Leigh Burne (talk) 04:35, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
I remain of the opinion that the KZ series is a doable page, the main problem being Killzone has a strong association on this site with a certifiable nutcase who decided a good way to get his own way was cyberstalking one of the admins. This means that if it's anything short of a featured article on its first edit it's likely to go in the trashcan, I'm afraid. Evil Tim (talk) 04:39, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
Killzone would also crack the door open for Halo pages. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:50, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
I missed quite the discussion in my absence? Alrightay, I will do the fictional weapons on the discussion page as... discussed I suppose? I am going to have access to my laptop in the coming days (What I used to take captures for the Goldeneye page recently), and then I should be able to throw this stuff together. Thanks guys! --Cheers, Chris J (talk) 06:42, 14 September 2012 (EDT)
