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: ''The Beretta 92FS Inox was first introduced in 1990, and was the very first pistol that Beretta ever offered with the stainless Inoxidizable finish. '''None of Beretta's earlier 92-series pistols, including the original 92F or the 92SB, were ever offered with the Inox finish.''''' | : ''The Beretta 92FS Inox was first introduced in 1990, and was the very first pistol that Beretta ever offered with the stainless Inoxidizable finish. '''None of Beretta's earlier 92-series pistols, including the original 92F or the 92SB, were ever offered with the Inox finish.''''' | ||
: | : The caption mentions the operator/actor would not be using a "flashy" chrome-plated gun. In actuality, stainless steel firearms were favored by SEALs because they wouldn't rust. SEAL Team Six (DevGroup) in particular used Smith & Wesson Model 66 revolvers chambered in .357 Magnum for C/T purposes. | ||
::- The finish on stainless guns can be dulled out to where it isn't that shiny, and therefore, not that noticeable. Chrome on the other hand, is '''always''' very shiny. And I agree that using a shiny weapon would be | ::- The finish on stainless guns can be dulled out to where it isn't that shiny, and therefore, not that 'flashy' and noticeable. Chrome on the other hand, is '''always''' very shiny. And I agree that using such a noticeably shiny weapon would be counteractive for a nighttime operation. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:32, 26 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
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So, enjoy :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | So, enjoy :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | ||
:I think it's an extended mag. If you look at the photo of Ramos firing his pistol on the main page, you can see the mag extending below his grip. I just noticed that. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] ([[User talk:Cozmo|talk]]) 12:06, 7 March 2017 (EST) | |||
== Title == | |||
I know the rules say we go by the IMDB name, but shouldn't there be some sort of "Common Sense" veto here? "SEALS" is an acronym. Now it sounds like it should be a kids movie. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 02:18, 24 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
:I agree. That's a case of the person who wrote the IMDB entry being an ignoramus. We don't need to be as ignorant as they are - we of all people should know better. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:39, 24 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
::I think the person who made this page also liked to use gun calibers instead of periods in all the caps and I had to fix all that. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:29, 24 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
== Inaccuracy on the page? == | |||
Just wondering if this: | |||
"Beretta 92SB pistols are the sidearms of the SEAL team members in the film, although in reality the Beretta M9 was issued during the time the film was made. The Beretta 92SB was in fact issued to the United States Air Force until the M9 replaced that role as well" | |||
Taken from the page is actually accurate in it's wording. Hadn't SEALs already started using the SIG Sauer P226 at the time of the films release? That line sort of implies that the SEALs standard issue sidearm was the Beretta doesn't it? Or maybe it's just me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:56, 20 August 2011 (CDT) | |||
== Hawkins' Type 56-1 == | |||
Looking at the Type 56-1 everything seems to point to it being an AKMS apart from the front sight, is it possible that it was an AKMS with a hooded front sight attached? --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:14, 12 February 2012 (CST) | |||
:I'm not even sure it has a type 56 front sight. It is too narrow and is straight backed, and don't think it has the hood. Also, it has the AKMS handguard, upper receiver, folding stock and the character uses an AKMS at other points. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 12 February 2012 (CST) | |||
:[[File:Navy seal ak front sight.jpg|thumb|200px|none|Blown up, cropped and contrasted image to show the front sight]] | |||
::I'm pretty certain that the sight is hooded, it looks to go around far to much to not be a hooded front sight. It's just a bit strange that in that one scene he has what is pretty much an AKMS with a Type 56 style front sight. I can't imagine that they would have changed all those parts of the Type 56 to make it look like an AKMS for such a short sequence, and like you say he uses the AKMS for everything in Beirut leading up to that bit. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 00:24, 13 February 2012 (CST) | |||
:::Im 90% sure that is an AKM front sight. If you look at the above picture you can see the complete top edge of both of the wings meaning it can't be hooded, and if it were hooded there is a cirvular hole in the top of it, and there is no sign of this at all. Also, if it was a Type 56 sight it would be wider, and have a shallower angle on the back which would become vertical near the top, as opposed to the AKM sight like this that has a more constant steeper angle. Lastly, the cutout at the base of the sight should be a wider slot if it was a Type 56, rather than the more squarly proportioned one on the AKM. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:02, 13 February 2012 (CST) | |||
::::Wow, well I think I shall conceed on this one then, you've convinced me :P--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:27, 13 February 2012 (CST) | |||
:::::OK so I watched the scene today and the sight on the rifle is definitely a non-hooded sight, you can see it when Hawkins gets into the car. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:10, 15 February 2012 (CST) | |||
== 'Full size' Minimi == | |||
Is it just me or does the first Minimi (the para variant with full length barrel) have a sharper slanted pistol grip more in-line with a [[Daewoo K3]]? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:23, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I don't think so, it has the the receiver looks more Minimi shaped to me and it has the Minimi handguards, bipod, gas block and gas plug. I think that the slant of the pistol grip is just a trick of the angle, also if you look at the top of the grip it is horizontal rather than sloped like on the K3. The weirdest part of this rifle to me is the front sight, which is the winged rather than hooded variety which was on the prototypes and the Canadian C9 variants. I don't know what this means necessarily, other than making this gun slightly weirder and more non standard than it already was. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:41, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:: Yeah took another look right after this and did notice the receiver and forend was right for a FN. The sight threw me off too which was another reason I wasn't sure though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:59, 27 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 04:59, 27 September 2017
At the start of the movie, terrorists fire a DShK machine gun at a helicopter, and a soldier is seen using an FN FAL (Or L1A1) in news footage in the news room. I have this movie on DVD but have been too busy to add these caps. Eventually I'll get to it. - Gunmaster45
- no worries I just want to know what was mounted on the WWII era APC the Lebonese were useing you know the one that was blown up with a stinger. Rockwolf66 06:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- It was a dual mounted M1919 Browning. I won't upload the image though because I fucked up and started adding images when MPM already had them handy. I'll let him upload them instead. - Gunmaster45
The 'Inox' Beretta 92SB
- According to background info posted on the Beretta 92 page (Specifically, on the Beretta 92FS Inox section, which I've partially repeated below), there is no such thing as an Beretta 92SB Inox. So I've edited that part to state it is simply a chrome-plated 92SB. StanTheMan 22:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- The Beretta 92FS Inox was first introduced in 1990, and was the very first pistol that Beretta ever offered with the stainless Inoxidizable finish. None of Beretta's earlier 92-series pistols, including the original 92F or the 92SB, were ever offered with the Inox finish.
- The caption mentions the operator/actor would not be using a "flashy" chrome-plated gun. In actuality, stainless steel firearms were favored by SEALs because they wouldn't rust. SEAL Team Six (DevGroup) in particular used Smith & Wesson Model 66 revolvers chambered in .357 Magnum for C/T purposes.
- - The finish on stainless guns can be dulled out to where it isn't that shiny, and therefore, not that 'flashy' and noticeable. Chrome on the other hand, is always very shiny. And I agree that using such a noticeably shiny weapon would be counteractive for a nighttime operation. StanTheMan 05:32, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Random
I took these caps for random trivia and ID purposes.
So, enjoy :) - Gunmaster45
- I think it's an extended mag. If you look at the photo of Ramos firing his pistol on the main page, you can see the mag extending below his grip. I just noticed that. Cozmo (talk) 12:06, 7 March 2017 (EST)
Title
I know the rules say we go by the IMDB name, but shouldn't there be some sort of "Common Sense" veto here? "SEALS" is an acronym. Now it sounds like it should be a kids movie. --Funkychinaman 02:18, 24 April 2011 (CDT)
- I agree. That's a case of the person who wrote the IMDB entry being an ignoramus. We don't need to be as ignorant as they are - we of all people should know better. -MT2008 10:39, 24 April 2011 (CDT)
- I think the person who made this page also liked to use gun calibers instead of periods in all the caps and I had to fix all that. :D - Mr. Wolf 14:29, 24 April 2011 (CDT)
Inaccuracy on the page?
Just wondering if this:
"Beretta 92SB pistols are the sidearms of the SEAL team members in the film, although in reality the Beretta M9 was issued during the time the film was made. The Beretta 92SB was in fact issued to the United States Air Force until the M9 replaced that role as well"
Taken from the page is actually accurate in it's wording. Hadn't SEALs already started using the SIG Sauer P226 at the time of the films release? That line sort of implies that the SEALs standard issue sidearm was the Beretta doesn't it? Or maybe it's just me. --cool-breeze 18:56, 20 August 2011 (CDT)
Hawkins' Type 56-1
Looking at the Type 56-1 everything seems to point to it being an AKMS apart from the front sight, is it possible that it was an AKMS with a hooded front sight attached? --cool-breeze 17:14, 12 February 2012 (CST)
- I'm not even sure it has a type 56 front sight. It is too narrow and is straight backed, and don't think it has the hood. Also, it has the AKMS handguard, upper receiver, folding stock and the character uses an AKMS at other points. --commando552 18:08, 12 February 2012 (CST)
Blown up, cropped and contrasted image to show the front sight - I'm pretty certain that the sight is hooded, it looks to go around far to much to not be a hooded front sight. It's just a bit strange that in that one scene he has what is pretty much an AKMS with a Type 56 style front sight. I can't imagine that they would have changed all those parts of the Type 56 to make it look like an AKMS for such a short sequence, and like you say he uses the AKMS for everything in Beirut leading up to that bit. --cool-breeze 00:24, 13 February 2012 (CST)
- Im 90% sure that is an AKM front sight. If you look at the above picture you can see the complete top edge of both of the wings meaning it can't be hooded, and if it were hooded there is a cirvular hole in the top of it, and there is no sign of this at all. Also, if it was a Type 56 sight it would be wider, and have a shallower angle on the back which would become vertical near the top, as opposed to the AKM sight like this that has a more constant steeper angle. Lastly, the cutout at the base of the sight should be a wider slot if it was a Type 56, rather than the more squarly proportioned one on the AKM. --commando552 05:02, 13 February 2012 (CST)
- Wow, well I think I shall conceed on this one then, you've convinced me :P--cool-breeze 13:27, 13 February 2012 (CST)
- OK so I watched the scene today and the sight on the rifle is definitely a non-hooded sight, you can see it when Hawkins gets into the car. --cool-breeze 17:10, 15 February 2012 (CST)
- Wow, well I think I shall conceed on this one then, you've convinced me :P--cool-breeze 13:27, 13 February 2012 (CST)
- Im 90% sure that is an AKM front sight. If you look at the above picture you can see the complete top edge of both of the wings meaning it can't be hooded, and if it were hooded there is a cirvular hole in the top of it, and there is no sign of this at all. Also, if it was a Type 56 sight it would be wider, and have a shallower angle on the back which would become vertical near the top, as opposed to the AKM sight like this that has a more constant steeper angle. Lastly, the cutout at the base of the sight should be a wider slot if it was a Type 56, rather than the more squarly proportioned one on the AKM. --commando552 05:02, 13 February 2012 (CST)
- I'm pretty certain that the sight is hooded, it looks to go around far to much to not be a hooded front sight. It's just a bit strange that in that one scene he has what is pretty much an AKMS with a Type 56 style front sight. I can't imagine that they would have changed all those parts of the Type 56 to make it look like an AKMS for such a short sequence, and like you say he uses the AKMS for everything in Beirut leading up to that bit. --cool-breeze 00:24, 13 February 2012 (CST)
'Full size' Minimi
Is it just me or does the first Minimi (the para variant with full length barrel) have a sharper slanted pistol grip more in-line with a Daewoo K3? StanTheMan (talk) 13:23, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
- I don't think so, it has the the receiver looks more Minimi shaped to me and it has the Minimi handguards, bipod, gas block and gas plug. I think that the slant of the pistol grip is just a trick of the angle, also if you look at the top of the grip it is horizontal rather than sloped like on the K3. The weirdest part of this rifle to me is the front sight, which is the winged rather than hooded variety which was on the prototypes and the Canadian C9 variants. I don't know what this means necessarily, other than making this gun slightly weirder and more non standard than it already was. --commando552 (talk) 16:41, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
- Yeah took another look right after this and did notice the receiver and forend was right for a FN. The sight threw me off too which was another reason I wasn't sure though. StanTheMan (talk) 00:59, 27 September 2017 (EDT)