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BTW, I got a small allergic reaction (fingers swelled) when I touched a zinc Broomhandle Mauser so I may be allergic to Zinc or some other component in non-guns. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | BTW, I got a small allergic reaction (fingers swelled) when I touched a zinc Broomhandle Mauser so I may be allergic to Zinc or some other component in non-guns. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | ||
::Yes, pot metal or zinc replicas (like the MGC Japanese ones) have been called 'non-guns' in the past. But the term NON GUN here is an actual industry name for these types of weapons by ISS. Personally I wonder if these guns are just updated versions of the electronically actuated 'flash paper' guns used by Japanese Cinema for decades (well at least all the years after World War II when private ownership of guns were pretty much set into stone). ''(Note: there is a fascinating historical account of an attempted military coup of the government of Japan after World War 1. Citizens loyal to the Emperor surrounded the Imperial palace ... all ARMED with privately owned guns, in order to hold off the military junta. Like in Weimar Germany, eventually the militant nationalists DID take over the government and thus started the road towards World war II, but that's another story.)'' [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 09:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
Why do those guns only barely resemble the real ones they're based on? I mean, you'd think they would be made to <i>look</i> as close as possible to the real deal, even though they don't actually fire.. - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 19:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
Possibly so they can be easily distinguished from more hazardous blank firers, converted firearms and such by the armourers/crew etc. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 09:33, 5 December 2011 (CST) | |||
Why don't they use gas blow back airsoft pistols that aren't loaded with anything and just composite a muzzle flash in at the post production stage now? Or have they actually started doing that in recent years? --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:04, 8 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
: Not sure. I saw an airsoft Beretta in [[Jericho]], but I can't recall if it was used for firing or just in "dummy mode". I'm sure they use AEGs in some movies like they did with MGC's nonfiring model guns earlier, [[Generation Kill]] for example, and independent filmmakers like Freddie Wong or the guys from Corridor Digital use airsoft guns because they're cheap and widely available, but as for the greater Hollywood, your guess is as good as mine.--[[User:Seriously Mike|Seriously Mike]] 02:30, 5 December 2011 (CST) | |||
Maybe because GBB airsofts still fire something out of the barrel albeit only gas. Then all it takes is something getting in the barrel like dirt, a stone or whatever and you have the potential for injury. Not a good idea when used near actor's faces etc. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 09:30, 5 December 2011 (CST) | |||
== Moving Parts == | |||
Are there any non-guns (or other dummy/fake gun props) that '''do''' have moving parts other than the trigger, e.g. an autoloading pistol with a slide that can be racked and hammer that can be cocked? Or is that considered ''a priori'' proof that a particular gun is real? Also, shouldn't there be a more general page for "fake guns" in general, with non guns being a subcategory? | |||
==Moved from Punisher page== | |||
Common in movies where they could not use real guns (like in places with noise restrictions, around small children, or close to an actor's head). Also, New York City has draconian anti gun laws, thus these FAKE guns which fire a 'poof' of acetylene flash and smoke are used '''instead''' of real blank firing guns in many instances. (Most noticeably in the movie ''[[the Siege]]'' when used by Denzel Washington). These fake guns look a little similar to major models of handguns (Beretta 92, Glock, M1911) but something about them always looks a little 'off'. | |||
Latest revision as of 16:22, 26 January 2014
I always thought Non-Guns were zinc replica firearms based on the real deal but cheaper and easier to break while these guns on the page are called "Flashpaper" or "Flashbulb" guns.
BTW, I got a small allergic reaction (fingers swelled) when I touched a zinc Broomhandle Mauser so I may be allergic to Zinc or some other component in non-guns. - Gunmaster45
- Yes, pot metal or zinc replicas (like the MGC Japanese ones) have been called 'non-guns' in the past. But the term NON GUN here is an actual industry name for these types of weapons by ISS. Personally I wonder if these guns are just updated versions of the electronically actuated 'flash paper' guns used by Japanese Cinema for decades (well at least all the years after World War II when private ownership of guns were pretty much set into stone). (Note: there is a fascinating historical account of an attempted military coup of the government of Japan after World War 1. Citizens loyal to the Emperor surrounded the Imperial palace ... all ARMED with privately owned guns, in order to hold off the military junta. Like in Weimar Germany, eventually the militant nationalists DID take over the government and thus started the road towards World war II, but that's another story.) MoviePropMaster2008 09:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Why do those guns only barely resemble the real ones they're based on? I mean, you'd think they would be made to look as close as possible to the real deal, even though they don't actually fire.. - Sentient6 19:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Possibly so they can be easily distinguished from more hazardous blank firers, converted firearms and such by the armourers/crew etc. --Sidewinder Forge 09:33, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Why don't they use gas blow back airsoft pistols that aren't loaded with anything and just composite a muzzle flash in at the post production stage now? Or have they actually started doing that in recent years? --cool-breeze 05:04, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
- Not sure. I saw an airsoft Beretta in Jericho, but I can't recall if it was used for firing or just in "dummy mode". I'm sure they use AEGs in some movies like they did with MGC's nonfiring model guns earlier, Generation Kill for example, and independent filmmakers like Freddie Wong or the guys from Corridor Digital use airsoft guns because they're cheap and widely available, but as for the greater Hollywood, your guess is as good as mine.--Seriously Mike 02:30, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Maybe because GBB airsofts still fire something out of the barrel albeit only gas. Then all it takes is something getting in the barrel like dirt, a stone or whatever and you have the potential for injury. Not a good idea when used near actor's faces etc. --Sidewinder Forge 09:30, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Moving Parts
Are there any non-guns (or other dummy/fake gun props) that do have moving parts other than the trigger, e.g. an autoloading pistol with a slide that can be racked and hammer that can be cocked? Or is that considered a priori proof that a particular gun is real? Also, shouldn't there be a more general page for "fake guns" in general, with non guns being a subcategory?
Moved from Punisher page
Common in movies where they could not use real guns (like in places with noise restrictions, around small children, or close to an actor's head). Also, New York City has draconian anti gun laws, thus these FAKE guns which fire a 'poof' of acetylene flash and smoke are used instead of real blank firing guns in many instances. (Most noticeably in the movie the Siege when used by Denzel Washington). These fake guns look a little similar to major models of handguns (Beretta 92, Glock, M1911) but something about them always looks a little 'off'.