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==Polish weapons== | ==Polish weapons== | ||
According to this website [http://www.film.org.pl/prace/polska_bron.html] (in Polish) during the filming of Kelly's Heroes the BAR was substituted with the Polish Browning wz. 1928 and the Colt 1911 pistols have been substituted by Polish Vis wz. 35 pistols. Can anyone confirm or deny this? [[User:Kmieciu|Kmieciu]] 18:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC) | According to this website [http://www.film.org.pl/prace/polska_bron.html] (in Polish) during the filming of Kelly's Heroes the BAR was substituted with the Polish Browning wz. 1928 and the Colt 1911 pistols have been substituted by Polish Vis wz. 35 pistols. Can anyone confirm or deny this? [[User:Kmieciu|Kmieciu]] 18:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Well just by looking at the screenshots, I think you are right about the BAR. The Wooden fore grip is the same on the Polish wz 1928. The grips on the FN BAR Type D is different. Also I think you are right about the Polish Radom Pistols. The grip looks too fat at the base to be the M1911A1. Funny. GM45's original screenshots identify the guns as Radoms, but the section was edited to call them M1911A1s, so GM45 got it right from the get go. I will change them. But I don't have ANY good pics of the Polish wz 1928 :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC) | ::Well just by looking at the screenshots, I think you are right about the BAR. The Wooden fore grip is the same on the Polish wz 1928. The grips on the FN BAR Type D is different. Also I think you are right about the Polish Radom Pistols. The grip looks too fat at the base to be the M1911A1. Funny. GM45's original screenshots identify the guns as Radoms, but the section was edited to call them M1911A1s, so GM45 got it right from the get go. I will change them. But I don't have ANY good pics of the Polish wz 1928 :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::How about [http://2ww.cba.pl/uzbrojenie/bron%20reczna/rkm%20browning%20wz28.html this photo]. Pics of the Browning wz. 28 are hard to find on the internet so it's better than nothing. [[User:Kmieciu|Kmieciu]] 20:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC) | :::How about [http://2ww.cba.pl/uzbrojenie/bron%20reczna/rkm%20browning%20wz28.html this photo]. Pics of the Browning wz. 28 are hard to find on the internet so it's better than nothing. [[User:Kmieciu|Kmieciu]] 20:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Is it the same gun that Petuko is using though? Look in the three shots where he's firing it and note the position of his hand. If there's a pistol grip, he's not using it. And it's hard to see if there is a pistol grip at all in this photo. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:13, 21 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::They removed the pistol grip [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
[[Image:KHFNBARtypeD-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Is there a pistol grip?]] | |||
:::::You can see that the two arms of the bipod are connected just like on the Browning wz. 28 and unlike on the BAR M1918 or FN model D machine gun [[User:Kmieciu|Kmieciu]] 21:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::This is definitely a wz.28 Polish BAR. I changed the photo captions to remove reference to the rear sight being backwards; it is not. The grip/FCG assemblies of the wz.28 and US BAR are interchangeable, so it is possible that an American non-pistol-grip was used in the gun in some scenes (or that they had multiple prop guns, with both types of grip). | |||
==Check this out for comparison== | |||
Here is the shots from the film: | |||
[[Image:KHFNBARtypeD-8.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Look at the rear sight and the rear top of the receiver. It is the WZ 1928]] | |||
[[Image:KHFNBARtypeD-3.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Look at the wooden fore grip for the BAR. It is the WZ 1928]] | |||
Now compare the Polish Browning wz 1928 with the FN BAR Model D | |||
[[Image:Polish Browning wz 1928.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cropped pic of a modern Polish WW2 Reenactor with his WZ 1928]] | |||
[[Image:Fn d.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Model D]] | |||
Here is my video on the wz.28 for comparison' sake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME0EbkI34Uw | |||
:IMFDB is now graced by Ian's presence. | |||
:[[Image:Basedian2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
== Grenades == | |||
I know they're ''supposed'' to be Mk 2s, but the hand grenades look more like [[F1 hand grenade]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 03:13, 26 January 2014 (EST) | |||
==Tanks== | |||
I know it's not related to Kelly's Heroes, but since we mentioned it, the tanks in Battle of the Bulge are M47 Pattons not M41 Walker Bulldogs [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 19:41, 4 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Tank commander's sidearm == | |||
The pistol in the tank commander's holster seems like it's probably a Walther P38. It's small and fuzzy in the screenshot, but it does appear to have a brown grip (bakelite?), with the bottom 'toe' on front strap, and then the heel magazine release button on the rear of it. | |||
It wouldn't be limited to what was actually being issued by Germany as it's a movie, but it's difficult to come up with anything else which would look the same in that holster. The CZ52 pistol could look similar but it has a smaller and subtler magazine release at its heel, the early Sig P210 could kind of fit, but the angle is a bit steeper and the bump at the bottom which I'm presuming is a magazine release appears to be solid at the sides, rather than being open. CZ27 would be too small overall and also has a smaller release button. | |||
There's P38s with the reddish-brown bakelite grips seen in holsters elsewhere in the movie, so I'm thinking that this is PROBABLY what the tank commander has too. [[User:ChopBlock223|ChopBlock223]] ([[User talk:ChopBlock223|talk]]) 10:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 10:12, 30 December 2022
Polish weapons
According to this website [1] (in Polish) during the filming of Kelly's Heroes the BAR was substituted with the Polish Browning wz. 1928 and the Colt 1911 pistols have been substituted by Polish Vis wz. 35 pistols. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Kmieciu 18:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- Well just by looking at the screenshots, I think you are right about the BAR. The Wooden fore grip is the same on the Polish wz 1928. The grips on the FN BAR Type D is different. Also I think you are right about the Polish Radom Pistols. The grip looks too fat at the base to be the M1911A1. Funny. GM45's original screenshots identify the guns as Radoms, but the section was edited to call them M1911A1s, so GM45 got it right from the get go. I will change them. But I don't have ANY good pics of the Polish wz 1928 :( MoviePropMaster2008 19:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- How about this photo. Pics of the Browning wz. 28 are hard to find on the internet so it's better than nothing. Kmieciu 20:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- Is it the same gun that Petuko is using though? Look in the three shots where he's firing it and note the position of his hand. If there's a pistol grip, he's not using it. And it's hard to see if there is a pistol grip at all in this photo. --funkychinaman 21:13, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- They removed the pistol grip MoviePropMaster2008 20:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
- Is it the same gun that Petuko is using though? Look in the three shots where he's firing it and note the position of his hand. If there's a pistol grip, he's not using it. And it's hard to see if there is a pistol grip at all in this photo. --funkychinaman 21:13, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- How about this photo. Pics of the Browning wz. 28 are hard to find on the internet so it's better than nothing. Kmieciu 20:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- Well just by looking at the screenshots, I think you are right about the BAR. The Wooden fore grip is the same on the Polish wz 1928. The grips on the FN BAR Type D is different. Also I think you are right about the Polish Radom Pistols. The grip looks too fat at the base to be the M1911A1. Funny. GM45's original screenshots identify the guns as Radoms, but the section was edited to call them M1911A1s, so GM45 got it right from the get go. I will change them. But I don't have ANY good pics of the Polish wz 1928 :( MoviePropMaster2008 19:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- You can see that the two arms of the bipod are connected just like on the Browning wz. 28 and unlike on the BAR M1918 or FN model D machine gun Kmieciu 21:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- This is definitely a wz.28 Polish BAR. I changed the photo captions to remove reference to the rear sight being backwards; it is not. The grip/FCG assemblies of the wz.28 and US BAR are interchangeable, so it is possible that an American non-pistol-grip was used in the gun in some scenes (or that they had multiple prop guns, with both types of grip).
- You can see that the two arms of the bipod are connected just like on the Browning wz. 28 and unlike on the BAR M1918 or FN model D machine gun Kmieciu 21:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Check this out for comparison
Here is the shots from the film:
Now compare the Polish Browning wz 1928 with the FN BAR Model D
Here is my video on the wz.28 for comparison' sake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME0EbkI34Uw
- IMFDB is now graced by Ian's presence.
Grenades
I know they're supposed to be Mk 2s, but the hand grenades look more like F1 hand grenade. --Funkychinaman (talk) 03:13, 26 January 2014 (EST)
Tanks
I know it's not related to Kelly's Heroes, but since we mentioned it, the tanks in Battle of the Bulge are M47 Pattons not M41 Walker Bulldogs Majorcamo (talk) 19:41, 4 May 2015 (EDT)
Tank commander's sidearm
The pistol in the tank commander's holster seems like it's probably a Walther P38. It's small and fuzzy in the screenshot, but it does appear to have a brown grip (bakelite?), with the bottom 'toe' on front strap, and then the heel magazine release button on the rear of it.
It wouldn't be limited to what was actually being issued by Germany as it's a movie, but it's difficult to come up with anything else which would look the same in that holster. The CZ52 pistol could look similar but it has a smaller and subtler magazine release at its heel, the early Sig P210 could kind of fit, but the angle is a bit steeper and the bump at the bottom which I'm presuming is a magazine release appears to be solid at the sides, rather than being open. CZ27 would be too small overall and also has a smaller release button. There's P38s with the reddish-brown bakelite grips seen in holsters elsewhere in the movie, so I'm thinking that this is PROBABLY what the tank commander has too. ChopBlock223 (talk) 10:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)