Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service: Difference between revisions

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Title change

Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. Ben41

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? Spartan198 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

Hold up... -MT2008 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Better? -MT2008 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. Spartan198 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. Orca1 9904 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. Spartan198 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

- Done. --Crazycrankle 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

Subdivide Category

The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -Anonymous

That is a very good idea. -User: L.J. Gibbs

Sniper Rifle ID

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --Ben41 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

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They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? Spades of Columbia Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --Crazycrankle 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. Spades of Columbia

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

SIG 229

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --Ben41 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229 In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

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7x11, P228 not a P229.

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --Crazycrankle 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --Crazycrankle 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

The only way you can tell a 228 from a 229 is age. The older 229s did have a half slide serration, but the newer 229s now have gone back to the full slide serrations of 228 had. Anyway... the reason started to post is because I was wondering if NCIS did switch since it looks like the agents on NCIS:LA switched to P229Rs. Peejn8r

Kel-Tec

In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -Anonymous

The M9

Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. StanTheMan 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -MT2008 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D StanTheMan 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --TheDon 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. Spartan198 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

If i remember correctly, the M9 has a single white band on the bottom of the rear sight to be aligned with the front dot, rather than two dots on eitherside of the sight. Butttt i cant remember perfectly. -MissySummers-

Can't sleep

I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.

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What's wrong with this picture?

you mean the Glock? --redram355 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --Crazycrankle 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --Stephen87 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--Mandolin 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --Crazycrankle 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--Mandolin 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --Crazycrankle 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

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Unknown gun from 1x05 The Curse

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --Mandolin 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --Crazycrankle 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. User:SargeOverkill

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

Moved from main page

This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --Crazycrankle 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi - I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would 24.17.120.59

→Walther P99 - That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression 24.17.120.59

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. Spades of Columbia

M40A1

Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.User:SargeOverkill

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "That's what you shot as a Marine sniper" Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets." Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [1] --Crazycrankle 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens. Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --Stephen87 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. Spades of Columbia

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. User:SargeOverkill

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-User:SargeOverkill

Too much info

Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

Weapons categorization

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --Ben41 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --MattyDienhoff 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. StanTheMan 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Rule Fifty-One

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --MrOshimida27 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a Micro Uzi --Crazycrankle 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

Revolver used in Cover Story

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

Beretta 92FS Inox

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -MT2008 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Some Unknown Guns

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:

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Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.

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A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --L.J. Gibbs 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs

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Same as above.

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A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?

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Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --Crazycrankle 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -MrOshimida27 17:23, 19 August 2010

Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback

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Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --Crazycrankle 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --Ben41 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

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How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --Crazycrankle 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--Ben41 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

Ziva's Knife

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --Crazycrankle 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Frank's Kimber

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? 24.15.103.231 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.----JazzBlackBelt-- 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

McGee is left-handed

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--Spades of Columbia 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --L.J. Gibbs 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--PistolJunkie 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

Revolvers

I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -Anonymous

- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. StanTheMan 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Pm12

The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--Mandolin 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --Crazycrankle 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

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Not a clue.

Thats a magnum research micro eagle. -k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --MrOshimida27

Should we put that screencap in the main page? Ominae 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--Mandolin 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --Crazycrankle 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

MP-9

Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --MrOshimida27 11: 53, 26 September 2010

Done. --Crazycrankle 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Jericho 941

Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?

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Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. The Wierd It 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. Noe 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. The Wierd It 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--L.J. Gibbs 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife"

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --Ben41 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

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Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.GaBoy45 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"

Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --Ben41 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC) Thank you Ben41. --L.J. Gibbs 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"

Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

Photo of Webley

Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

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Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. Ominae 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. Ominae 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. The Wierd It 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh Go bark at the moon.--SAMBAMA 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--TheDon 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

editing page

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --Ben41 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

Kahr P9/K9

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [2], and the K9 can be seen here: [3]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"

The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--L.J. Gibbs 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback

I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228. P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --L.J. Gibbs 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --L.J. Gibbs 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.----JazzBlackBelt-- 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --L.J. Gibbs 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. ----JazzBlackBelt-- 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --L.J. Gibbs 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.----JazzBlackBelt-- 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.

http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html

http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -MT2008 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest"

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

Unknown MG found by Malachi

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. Raven 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

Tony's Gun in Baltimore

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does... The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. Peejn8r

I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".----JazzBlackBelt-- 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length guide rod system similar to that found on compact Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --TheDon 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)

This is what i can see from the screen shots out there. It appears to have a beavertail grip safety, a skeletonized hammer, a full length guide rod, straight cocking serrations in the rear, and novak style sights. The rest of the gun is obscured. Judging by the images below, the barrel seems to be more towards a commander size model, rather than a 5 inch barrel, but that might just be because of the camera. -MissySummers-

I think there is a good shot of it in DiNozzo's shoulder holster somewhere.----JazzBlackBelt-- 06:48, 15 December 2011 (CST)

Everything about the Colt MkIV Officers seems right, except for the end of the slide/barrel. Could it be a Rock Island Armory Commander?----JazzBlackBelt-- 22:49, 31 December 2011 (CST)

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DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".

Unidentified 1911

An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo (Michael Weatherly) in Season 8's "Baltimore".

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In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.

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DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".

Frank's SW1911

In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911PD, and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.----JazzBlackBelt-- 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

DVD Cover

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.----JazzBlackBelt-- 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

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NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)

9x03 "The Penelope Papers"

In the latest episode - 9x03, The Penelope Papers - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? Awmperry 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. Ominae 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.----JazzBlackBelt-- 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

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The "Black Hand". --Crazycrankle 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas----JazzBlackBelt-- 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

Leaning on the former there mate. Ominae 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. The Wierd It 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. SgtRonin 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. Ominae 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

Splitting the article to seasons

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. Ominae 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --Ben41 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?----JazzBlackBelt-- 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

Stargate: SG1 got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. The Wierd It 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

Additional Screenshots

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In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.

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DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".

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Ziva David (Cote de Pablo) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".

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DiNozzo (Michael Weatherly) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".

Kate's Revolver

In season 2 episode blackwater (2x11) Special Agent Kate Todd goes to meet Tom McCallister on a date and before she goes on her operation she straps on a revolver on an inside the thigh holster in the NCIS squadroom. Can anybody identify this revolver. I dont have a picture of it but it may be a smith and wesson and i know it has wooden grips and it is most likely stainless steel thanks :)

"Flint SCR"

In an episode of NCIS - I can't remember now which one, sadly - something called a "Flint SCR Tactical Rifle" appears as a graphic on a screen:

I really don't believe it's a real gun - as far as I can tell, it was probably constructed in Pimp My Gun (by a prop designer who doesn't know how guns work) out of an HK417 receiver, H&K folding stock, M16 iron sights curiously mounted beside the rail, an ACOG mounted where it shouldn't be, an M203 heat shield with nothing to hold it on, and what seems to be a lone scope ring installed within the carry handle.

I went to PMG and constructed what I think is a pretty accurate recreation of it:

Is this based on a real gun, or is it - as I suspect - a complete fabrication? If anyone remembers what episode it's from (I made the recreation ages ago), is it worth adding it to the season's page?--Awmperry 09:18, 25 February 2012 (CST)

What a terrible attempt at a gun. It's a complete fabrication.--Mandolin 10:24, 25 February 2012 (CST)

Anyone know what episode that is? I'm sure I've seen every episode but I don't remember ever seeing anything like that. --Crazycrankle 17:50, 28 February 2012 (CST)

Found it. 8x19, "Tell-All". Awmperry 10:31, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

The relevant dialogue:

"...I've determined the type of rounds used to kill the lieutenant commander. He was shot six times with frangible ammunition. Each bullet was made of sintered copper, designed to disintegrate into powder and fragments upon impact. The dispersal of these accounts for the extensive damage beneath the dermis. And as there was no residue on his clothing to indicate that the shooter was close... We're looking for a weapon that fires frangible ammo at a distance."
"Whatever her findings, it's an odd choice of weapon. I mean, either the killer was unfamiliar with the weaponry or, well, maybe he wanted this poor fellow to suffer great pain."
"I ran the frangible ammo that Ducky pulled from Lieutenant Commander Casey through every weapons database that I could access."

"And...? And..."

"Nothing. But that's not possible. And I know that that's not possible. So I said to myself, 'Self, why would the weapon used not be in any weapons database?' And you know what self said?"

"Because it's a prototype."

"Precisely. I give you... the Flint SCR. Manufactured by Praeger lndustries, and developed for the DOD. They ended up pulling funding after significant flaws were found in the design. Under-penetration of the ammo was the most noteworthy."

Apparently the gist is that these top secret rifles - hundreds of them, which seems excessive for a prototype - were being offered to terrorist organisations as a sting, and one deal went wrong and they actually got away with them. Quite why terrorists would want rifles with "significant flaws" and underpenetration is never really explained. Awmperry 10:47, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

Weapon handling

Is it me or have most of the actors on the show improved their weapon handling a lot since the early seasons which is rare in tv shows for example The X-Files which ran for 9 seasons and they maintained poor weapon handling throughout. NCIS and NCIS: Los Angeles most of the actors keep a good grip on their weapons and maintain trigger discipline towards the later seasons. Here is some examples of what i'am talking about. --Gunfan2818 (talk)

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+==Title change==
+Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service?  It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]
 Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198
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 It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198
- the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight.  you were right it was not a henry.
+the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight.  you were right it was not a henry.
 For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?
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-==Title change==
-Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service?  It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]
 ==Subdivide Category==
 The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
+That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]
 == Sniper Rifle ID ==
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 http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs
-Now a 308 Lapua would make sense but it does change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]
+Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]
+It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.
 == SIG 229 ==
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 [[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]
 Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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 oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.
+The only way you can tell a 228 from a 229 is age.  The older 229s did have a half slide serration, but the newer 229s now have gone back to the full slide serrations of 228 had. Anyway... the reason started to post is because I was wondering if NCIS did switch since it looks like the agents on NCIS:LA switched to P229Rs.  [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
 ==Kel-Tec==
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 ==The M9==
-Technicolly isn't the M9 and the Berreta 92 the same gun?
+Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?
 - M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
+Thanks for clearing that up, I think.
+::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel.  The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands.  And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
+:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
+Same here. God bless you all.
+Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
+:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
+:: If i remember correctly, the M9 has a single white band on the bottom of the rear sight to be aligned with the front dot, rather than two dots on eitherside of the sight. Butttt i cant remember perfectly. -MissySummers-
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 :you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
+At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
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 That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
+Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]
+Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)
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 That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
 [[24.17.120.59]]
+What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]
+== M40A1 ==
+Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]
+Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
+Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''"  Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
+You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
+Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
+Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]
+The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]
+In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"
+I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
+== Too much info ==
+Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies.  While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons.  How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?
+-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.
+-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.
+== Weapons categorization ==
+I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically.  Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first.   --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
+:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
+- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
+==Rule Fifty-One==
+I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010
+I watched the episode  and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.
+== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==
+Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".
+It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
+Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.
+==Revolver used in Cover Story==
+Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.
+==Beretta 92FS Inox==
+The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish.  It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
+==Some Unknown Guns==
+A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
+[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
+[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
+[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
+[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
+[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]
+Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
+Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010
+==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
+[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
+Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots?  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
+[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
+Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
+the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5
+== Ziva's Knife ==
+What kind of tac knife does Ziva use?  It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?
+It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
+== Frank's Kimber ==
+I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
+: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
+== McGee is left-handed ==
+Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?
+Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
+Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
+:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
+My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-
+==Revolvers==
+I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
+:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
+==Pm12==
+The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.
+You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
+:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
+[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]
+Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
+-k9870
+Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]
+:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
+No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
+There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
+==MP-9==
+Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
+:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
+==Jericho 941==
+Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
+[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
+Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
+Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
+That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
+CZ-83
+It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant
+When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)
+== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==
+What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"?  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
+[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
+==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
+Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in  "The Bone Yard"?  It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
+Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
+==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
+Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?
+==Photo of Webley==
+Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.
+[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]
+Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
+:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.
+:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
+I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
+: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
+Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)
+== editing page ==
+In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user.   If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
+Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind.  I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.
+== Kahr P9/K9 ==
+The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.
+==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
+The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
+==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
+I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
+P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
+:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
+::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
+::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
+::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311
+:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)
+== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==
+Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873.  The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30.  You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.
+== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==
+I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)
+== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==
+I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
+The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight.  Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
+::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)
+The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy
+:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)
+If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length guide rod system similar to that found on compact Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)
+:: This is what i can see from the screen shots out there. It appears to have a beavertail grip safety, a skeletonized hammer, a full length guide rod, straight cocking serrations in the rear, and novak style sights. The rest of the gun is obscured. Judging by the images below, the barrel seems to be more towards a commander size model, rather than a 5 inch barrel, but that might just be because of the camera. -MissySummers-
+I think there is a good shot of it in DiNozzo's shoulder holster somewhere.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:48, 15 December 2011 (CST)
+Everything about the Colt MkIV Officers seems right, except for the end of the slide/barrel. Could it be a Rock Island Armory Commander?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:49, 31 December 2011 (CST)
+[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]
+==Unidentified 1911==
+An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
+[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]
+[[Image:NCISS8 01.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
+[[Image:NCISS8 04.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
+[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]
+== Frank's SW1911==
+In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)
+== DVD Cover ==
+Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
+[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]
+== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==
+In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.
+So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)
+: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)
+::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
+[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand".  --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]
+Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
+: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
+:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
+::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)
+==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==
+Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
+==Splitting the article to seasons==
+Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)
+It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season.   It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0.   The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)
+:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)
+:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)
+== Additional Screenshots ==
+[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
+[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
+[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
+[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]
+== Kate's Revolver  ==
+In season 2 episode blackwater (2x11) Special Agent Kate Todd goes to meet Tom McCallister on a date and before she goes on her operation she straps on a revolver on an inside the thigh holster in the NCIS squadroom. Can anybody identify this revolver. I dont have a picture of it but it may be a smith and wesson and i know it has wooden grips and it is most likely stainless steel thanks :)
+== "Flint SCR" ==
+In an episode of NCIS - I can't remember now which one, sadly - something called a "Flint SCR Tactical Rifle" appears as a graphic on a screen:
+[[File:NCIS_-_Flint_SCR.jpg]]
+I really don't believe it's a real gun - as far as I can tell, it was probably constructed in Pimp My Gun (by a prop designer who doesn't know how guns work) out of an HK417 receiver, H&K folding stock, M16 iron sights curiously mounted ''beside'' the rail, an ACOG mounted where it shouldn't be, an M203 heat shield with nothing to hold it on, and what seems to be a lone scope ring installed within the carry handle.
+I went to PMG and constructed what I think is a pretty accurate recreation of it:
+[[File:NCIS_-_Flint_SCR_in_PMG.jpg]]
+Is this based on a real gun, or is it - as I suspect - a complete fabrication? If anyone remembers what episode it's from (I made the recreation ages ago), is it worth adding it to the season's page?--[[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 09:18, 25 February 2012 (CST)
+:What a terrible attempt at a gun. It's a complete fabrication.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 10:24, 25 February 2012 (CST)
+Anyone know what episode that is? I'm sure I've seen every episode but I don't remember ever seeing anything like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:50, 28 February 2012 (CST)
+Found it. 8x19, "Tell-All". [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 10:31, 26 April 2012 (CDT)
+The relevant dialogue:
+* "...I've determined the type of rounds used to kill the lieutenant commander. He was shot six times with frangible ammunition. Each bullet was made of sintered copper, designed to disintegrate into powder and fragments upon impact. The dispersal of these accounts for the extensive damage beneath the dermis. And as there was no residue on his clothing to indicate that the shooter was close... We're looking for a weapon that fires frangible ammo at a distance."
+* "Whatever her findings, it's an odd choice of weapon. I mean, either the killer was unfamiliar with the weaponry or, well, maybe he wanted this poor fellow to suffer great pain."
+* "I ran the frangible ammo that Ducky pulled from Lieutenant Commander Casey through every weapons database that I could access."
+:"And...? And..."
+:"Nothing. But that's not possible. And I know that that's not possible. So I said to myself, 'Self, why would the weapon used not be in any weapons database?' And you know what self said?"
+:"Because it's a prototype."
+:"Precisely. I give you... the Flint SCR. Manufactured by Praeger lndustries, and developed for the DOD. They ended up pulling funding after significant flaws were found in the design. Under-penetration of the ammo was the most noteworthy."
+Apparently the gist is that these top secret rifles - hundreds of them, which seems excessive for a prototype - were being offered to terrorist organisations as a sting, and one deal went wrong and they actually got away with them. Quite why terrorists would want rifles with "significant flaws" and underpenetration is never really explained. [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 10:47, 26 April 2012 (CDT)
+== Weapon handling    ==
+Is it me or have most of the actors on the show improved their weapon handling a lot since the early seasons which is rare in tv shows for example [[The X-Files]] which ran for 9 seasons and they maintained poor weapon handling throughout. NCIS and [[NCIS: Los Angeles]] most of the actors keep a good grip on their weapons and maintain trigger discipline towards the later seasons. Here is some examples of what i'am talking about. --[[User:Gunfan2818|Gunfan2818]] ([[User talk:Gunfan2818|talk]])
+{|
+|-
+|[[File:NCIS_22002.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Season 3]]||[[File:NCISS6E6LJG.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Season 6]]
+|-
+|[[File:NCISS2E19.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Season 2]]||[[File:NCISS6E5.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Season 6]]
+|-
+|[[File:NCISS3E042.jpeg|thumb|none|450px|Season 3]]||[[File:NCISS9E21.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Season 9]]
+|-
+|[[File:NCIS6_204.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An example from NCIS LA (prequel episode)]]||[[File:NCISLAS3SIG229E2.jpeg|thumb|right|450px|NCIS LA Season 3]]
+|-
+|}

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