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== The Plot == | |||
The film's plot involves the President of the United States covertly declaring war on the Colombian Drug Cartel Lindo in order to avenge the assassination of a close friend. When Admiral James Greer ([[James Earl Jones]]) is diagnosed with cancer, Jack assumes the position of Acting Deputy Director Intelligence of the CIA. There, he is misled to believe that there will be a "no-troops" enforcement for aiding Colombia. Instead, Robert Ritter, the CIA Deputy Director of Operations, employs former CIA operative John Clark ([[Willem Dafoe]]) to lead a Special Ops team to take out Cartel targets in Colombia. When the team is betrayed and Ryan discovers the lies, he heads to Colombia to rescue the surviving members. | |||
=Discussion= | |||
== Clark's silenced pistol. == | == Clark's silenced pistol. == | ||
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I think he uses the same Glock that he used to threatn Jack Ryan. However, during the resque the pistol is barly scene. | I think he uses the same Glock that he used to threatn Jack Ryan. However, during the resque the pistol is barly scene. | ||
:Resurrecting a very old discussion, while probably intended to the the same pistol in-story, in the scene where Clark is holding Jack it definitely has an extended barrel (current third screenshot), and although rather hard to see, when he fires it later on it looks to have a fire selector on the slide (current fourth screenshot). Seems to be one of the early-pattern Glock 18s with the compensator. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 08:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Reciprocity Team Leader == | == Reciprocity Team Leader == | ||
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Is it me or do the jeeps have 13th Armored insignia on them? | Is it me or do the jeeps have 13th Armored insignia on them? | ||
Also the "Browning M2" on the jeep seems to actually be an AN/M2 Aircraft model. I cant tell if the 2nd picture is of a standard M2 or another AN/M2 but I assume it is another AN/M2. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] | Also the "Browning M2" on the jeep seems to actually be an AN/M2 Aircraft model. I cant tell if the 2nd picture is of a standard M2 or another AN/M2 but I assume it is another AN/M2. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] | ||
- The merc fires a standard M2HB in the scene represented by the second picture. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] | |||
== Reciprocity Team weapons == | == Reciprocity Team weapons == | ||
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Moved this comment to discussion: | Moved this comment to discussion: | ||
To anyone that has read the book, Clancy wrote that most of the reciprocity teams, including Chavez, used MP5SD's. There were also I believe two SAW gunners, and the rest had M16A2's. There was never anybody with an M24. Also, they didn't wear woodland, they wore olive drab which after a while blended in better because of local dirt and vegetation. This wasn't a correction of any gun id's, just pointing out that movie directors and armorers don't read books. | To anyone that has read the book, Clancy wrote that most of the reciprocity teams, including Chavez, used MP5SD's. There were also I believe two SAW gunners, and the rest had M16A2's. There was never anybody with an M24. Also, they didn't wear woodland, they wore olive drab which after a while blended in better because of local dirt and vegetation. This wasn't a correction of any gun id's, just pointing out that movie directors and armorers don't read books. | ||
:Or they had the Colts and HK94 for rent and/or they couldnt get ahold of them. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]] | |||
== M24 Question == | |||
M24 question: In the mansion scene when ford is running for the helicopter, Ding is clearly firing this weapon semi-automatic-ly. Is this more likely the M25? | |||
What? First off, who is 'Ding'? None of the main characters in that sequence is named 'Ding'. Clark (Willem Dafoe) is the main one firing on the chopper, and he has the OA-93. There are some brief shots of Chavez firing an 'MP5SD' (HK94 Chop-Convt), but he doesn't use the M24 during that scene, not that I recall anyway. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] | |||
"Ding" is the nickname given to the sniper Domingo Chavez in the book. Yes, he doesn't use the M24 while on the helicopter. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 15:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
- ''"Ding" is the nickname given to the sniper Domingo Chavez in the book.'' | |||
Oh. Well it's obvious I didn't read the book, ain't it? Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
When he fires his rifle from a roof top, towards the end of the film, a round is ejected (which he picks up) without the rifle being bolted. Could be an editing mistake. --[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 11:05, 10 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
== USP == | |||
Fairly certain I remember a USP wielded by an Escobedo henchman as he disarms Cortez's bodyguard. | |||
==Laser Designator== | |||
Does anyone know if the laser designator used to paint the druglord's mansion is a real thing? Or is it a mockup, because the only real designators I've seen didn't look like that at all, but more like giant binoculars.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 02:42, 9 May 2011 (CDT) | |||
==HK rifle, second screencap== | |||
[[File:CAPD 90.jpg|thumb|601px|none|A mercenary opens fire on the Reciprocity team with the rifle.]] | |||
It's listed under the G3 entry but if you blow the image up to full res, it looks like it's missing the paddle mag release, in which case wouldn't it actually be a converted HK91 rather than an actual G3? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:40, 16 December 2014 (EST) | |||
== Pretty sure the M16A2 is an A1 == | |||
Zoomed in at full size, it looks like an A1 upper to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 23:36, 16 December 2014 (EST) | |||
: I concur, also looks like it has the thinner barrel as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 23:46, 16 December 2014 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 08:06, 17 October 2022
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The Plot
The film's plot involves the President of the United States covertly declaring war on the Colombian Drug Cartel Lindo in order to avenge the assassination of a close friend. When Admiral James Greer (James Earl Jones) is diagnosed with cancer, Jack assumes the position of Acting Deputy Director Intelligence of the CIA. There, he is misled to believe that there will be a "no-troops" enforcement for aiding Colombia. Instead, Robert Ritter, the CIA Deputy Director of Operations, employs former CIA operative John Clark (Willem Dafoe) to lead a Special Ops team to take out Cartel targets in Colombia. When the team is betrayed and Ryan discovers the lies, he heads to Colombia to rescue the surviving members.
Discussion
Clark's silenced pistol.
What kind of silenced pistol Clark uses during the rescue?
I think he uses the same Glock that he used to threatn Jack Ryan. However, during the resque the pistol is barly scene.
- Resurrecting a very old discussion, while probably intended to the the same pistol in-story, in the scene where Clark is holding Jack it definitely has an extended barrel (current third screenshot), and although rather hard to see, when he fires it later on it looks to have a fire selector on the slide (current fourth screenshot). Seems to be one of the early-pattern Glock 18s with the compensator. Alex T Snow (talk) 08:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Reciprocity Team Leader
I don't have an exact ident on it, but I expressly remember him with a carbine, not a full-length rifle. And on a side note, can somebody tell me what a "reciprocity team" is? Spartan198 04:18, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
- Scratch that first part. I missed the M654 on the list. Spartan198 04:20, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
- Reciprocity was the name of the operation. I also call them a black ops or special ops team. -The Winchester
- To add to that, in the book Reciprocity was the name of the operation involving the airstrike on the drug lord's mansion. Since reciprocity is defined as responding in kind to the actions of others, it was the American operation to avenge the assassination of the FBI director. --Markit 16:15, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
- A lot of things from the book were cut out of the movie (no surprise). For instance, there were more things that led up to the President want "revenge" on the cartel (and it wasn't a "friend" who got killed, it was the FBI director). It happened like 1/3 of the way through the book. Or how the original intelligence gathering operation was called "Showboat" and after the FBI director's death they started "Reciprocity", which involved much less "gathering" and much more "destroying". -Gunman69 18:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
- Reciprocity was the name of the operation. I also call them a black ops or special ops team. -The Winchester
- lots of things from the book were taken out, the secutary attempted to comit suicide but didn't die. from cortez, and he wasn't killed by Clark he was arrested at the end othe book
Jeeps and Browning "M2HB"
Is it me or do the jeeps have 13th Armored insignia on them? Also the "Browning M2" on the jeep seems to actually be an AN/M2 Aircraft model. I cant tell if the 2nd picture is of a standard M2 or another AN/M2 but I assume it is another AN/M2. -Ranger01
- The merc fires a standard M2HB in the scene represented by the second picture. StanTheMan
Reciprocity Team weapons
Moved this comment to discussion: To anyone that has read the book, Clancy wrote that most of the reciprocity teams, including Chavez, used MP5SD's. There were also I believe two SAW gunners, and the rest had M16A2's. There was never anybody with an M24. Also, they didn't wear woodland, they wore olive drab which after a while blended in better because of local dirt and vegetation. This wasn't a correction of any gun id's, just pointing out that movie directors and armorers don't read books.
- Or they had the Colts and HK94 for rent and/or they couldnt get ahold of them. -Winchester
M24 Question
M24 question: In the mansion scene when ford is running for the helicopter, Ding is clearly firing this weapon semi-automatic-ly. Is this more likely the M25?
What? First off, who is 'Ding'? None of the main characters in that sequence is named 'Ding'. Clark (Willem Dafoe) is the main one firing on the chopper, and he has the OA-93. There are some brief shots of Chavez firing an 'MP5SD' (HK94 Chop-Convt), but he doesn't use the M24 during that scene, not that I recall anyway. StanTheMan
"Ding" is the nickname given to the sniper Domingo Chavez in the book. Yes, he doesn't use the M24 while on the helicopter. --Ben41 15:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- "Ding" is the nickname given to the sniper Domingo Chavez in the book.
Oh. Well it's obvious I didn't read the book, ain't it? Heh. StanTheMan 23:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
When he fires his rifle from a roof top, towards the end of the film, a round is ejected (which he picks up) without the rifle being bolted. Could be an editing mistake. --Jackie.45Cal 11:05, 10 April 2011 (CDT)
USP
Fairly certain I remember a USP wielded by an Escobedo henchman as he disarms Cortez's bodyguard.
Laser Designator
Does anyone know if the laser designator used to paint the druglord's mansion is a real thing? Or is it a mockup, because the only real designators I've seen didn't look like that at all, but more like giant binoculars.--Mr-Jigsaw 02:42, 9 May 2011 (CDT)
HK rifle, second screencap
It's listed under the G3 entry but if you blow the image up to full res, it looks like it's missing the paddle mag release, in which case wouldn't it actually be a converted HK91 rather than an actual G3? StanTheMan (talk) 21:40, 16 December 2014 (EST)
Pretty sure the M16A2 is an A1
Zoomed in at full size, it looks like an A1 upper to me. Spartan198 (talk) 23:36, 16 December 2014 (EST)
- I concur, also looks like it has the thinner barrel as well. StanTheMan (talk) 23:46, 16 December 2014 (EST)