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==Additional Variants== | |||
===Screen Used=== | |||
[[File:MIGPMakarovProp.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Actual Makarov PM prop used in ''[[Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol]]''. Image courtesy of [http://www.propstore.com/product-Makarova-Stunt-Gun.htm propstore.com].]] | |||
[[File:Route666Makarov.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Screen used IJ-70 with fake suppressor - 9x18mm Makarov. This is the hero gun used by [[Sven-Ole Thorsen]], [[Rob Roy Fitzgerald]] and [[Steven Williams]] in ''[[Route 666]]''.]] | |||
===Live Pistols=== | |||
[[Image:MakarovPMblack.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM with black grips, right side - 9x18mm Makarov]] | |||
[[Image:PM.jpeg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM with black grips, left side - 9x18mm Makarov]] | |||
[[Image:Makarov PM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Bulgarian Makarov - 9x18mm Makarov]] | |||
[[File:Makarov PM black grips.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM with Dozor PM Grip Kit - 9x18mm Makarov]] | |||
[[File:Makarov PM with FAB PM-G grip.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM with FAB PM-G Grip - 9x18mm Makarov]] | |||
[[Image:Baikal-442.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Baikal-442 (PM) - 9x17mm Browning/9x18mm Makarov/9x19mm. It is a Canadian market import version of the Baikal-442. It features an long barrel, not seen on the military Makarov pistol.]] | |||
[[File:Baikal442(PMM).jpg|300px|thumb|none|Baikal-442 (PMM) - 9x18mm Makarov. ]] | |||
[[File:Skyph.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Izhmekh MP-448 Skyph - 9x18mm Makarov]] | |||
[[Image:Arsenal P-M01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Two version of the Bulgarian Arsenal P-M01 - 9x17mm Browning/9x18mm Makarov. They can be distinguished from Russian commercial pistols in that only the P-M01 combines a single-column magazine '''''and''''' an angular trigger guard.]] | |||
[[File:Makarovdrum.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Makarov PM with [[PPSh-41|PPSh]]-based 84 round drum magazine - 9x18mm Makarov]] | |||
===Less-Lethal and Blank-Firing Variants=== | |||
[[Image:6P42-7.6.jpg|thumb|300px|none|6P42-7.6 Gas Pistol - 7.62mm TK-024. It is based on the Makarov PM.]] | |||
[[Image:Makarych.jpg|thumb|none|300px|IZh-79-9T Makarych - 9 mm R.A.]] | |||
[[Image:IZh 79-8.jpg|thumb|none|300px|IZh 79-8 - 8 mm, non-lethal gas firing version of Makarov PM.]] | |||
[[Image:MP-79-10M.jpg|thumb|none|300px|MP-79-10M - 9mm P.A.]] | |||
[[File:Makarov IZh pistols.jpg|thumb|none|300px|6P42-7.6 Gas Pistol (at the left), IZh-79-7.6 (at the right), non-lethal gas firing versions of Makarov PM.]] | |||
[[File:PM-MP-371.jpg|thumb|none|300px|MP-371 blank-firing pistol - Gevelot small caps]] | |||
[[Image:Viy.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Ukrainian ''Viy'' - 9x22mm RA.]] | |||
===Airsoft Variants=== | |||
[[File:PM-MP-654K-EarlySeries.jpg|thumb|none|300px|MP-654K, early version - .177. Note the lack of the external extractor. Late version of MP-654K have the extractor on place.]] | |||
[[File:MP-654K PM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|MP-654K, late version - .177]] | |||
[[Image:MP-654K.jpg|thumb|none|300px|MP-654K with Makarov PMM grips - .177]] | |||
[[File:Gletcher PM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|CO2 Gletcher PM - .177]] | |||
[[File:Suppressed WE Makarov GBB pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|WE Suppressed Makarov stainless GBB pistol.]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
Don't know if i did that correctly or not,feel free to make any changes.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 03:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | Don't know if i did that correctly or not,feel free to make any changes.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 03:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Looks good, man.-protoAuthor 04:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | :Looks good, man.-protoAuthor 04:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Why can't we just go with "Makarov" or "Dragunov?" It's accurate (unlike Schmeisser) and they're the only guns known by those names (unlike "Browning" or "Springfield.") Most laypeople are probably more familiar with "Tokarev" rather than "TT-33." --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC) | Why can't we just go with "Makarov" or "Dragunov?" It's accurate (unlike Schmeisser) and they're the only guns known by those names (unlike "Browning" or "Springfield.") Most laypeople are probably more familiar with "Tokarev" rather than "TT-33." --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Leave it as it is now. For | :::So I assume you want to ignore the Tokarev Rifle aka SVT-40? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Leave it as it is now. For english-speaking people it's more recognizable. | |||
:In Russia we call this weapons simple - Makarov or PM/Dragunov or SVD/RPD or Degtyaryov. I seen, in the USA and the Europe Russian weapons calls like on this site - Makarov PM/SVD Dragunov/etc. --[[User:RedCharger|RedCharger]] 18:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC) | :In Russia we call this weapons simple - Makarov or PM/Dragunov or SVD/RPD or Degtyaryov. I seen, in the USA and the Europe Russian weapons calls like on this site - Makarov PM/SVD Dragunov/etc. --[[User:RedCharger|RedCharger]] 18:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
If this was russian site name would be like пистолет Макарова(ПМ), but in English Pistol Makarov or Makarov's Pistol just don't sound right. So leave it as it is. | If this was russian site name would be like пистолет Макарова(ПМ), but in English Pistol Makarov or Makarov's Pistol just don't sound right. So leave it as it is. | ||
: Answering to "Most laypeople are probably more familiar with "Tokarev" rather than "TT-33.", most russians calling Tokarevs pistol | |||
:::That's what the Military called it during the Cold War. We just eliminated the "aka" (also Known As) so it would be SVD (aka) Dragunov, or Makarov (aka) Pistolet Makarova. It's the American Way. Deal with it. ;) Besides, we Americans are notorious for redundancy in our speech. "Actual Experience" "Armed Gunman" "Basic Fundamentals" "never at any time" "unexpected surprise" "surrounded on all sides" etc. etc. etc. LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== "City of Ghosts" == | |||
I just saw "City of Ghosts" (2003) with Matt Dillon and James Caan. The plot involves Cambodian and Russian gangsters: seems like ''everybody'' has a Makarov in this one. | |||
== Does the PB have a slide locking mechanism? == | |||
I was reading an article about the PB and it said that the gun has a slide locking mechanism like the [[Smith & Wesson 39|Mk 22 Mod 0]]. Is this true? [[User:Cyrus|Cyrus]] 08:41, 9 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
== Improved 9x18mm Makarov ammo == | |||
I read somewhere that the newer 9x18 Makarov cartridge designed for use in the PMM is equal, perhaps even superior to, the stopping power of the 9mm Luger. Is there any truth to this? - [[User: 2wingo]] | |||
== Updated PB? == | |||
Was a variant of the PB based on the updated PMM ever made? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:57, 8 December 2014 (EST) | |||
:As far as I know, it wasn't because PSS became a standard silent pistol while PB was mostly withdrawn from service. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:36, 8 December 2014 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 21:12, 27 November 2023
Additional Variants
Screen Used
Live Pistols
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Less-Lethal and Blank-Firing Variants
Airsoft Variants
Discussion
Don't know if i did that correctly or not,feel free to make any changes.--ThePotShot 03:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good, man.-protoAuthor 04:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Chinese Makarov
Should we also have a section for the Chinese Makarov, the Type 59 in this page?
ATM Machine Syndrome
I think we should rename this article "Makarov pistol". PM is an acronym of "Pistolet Makarova" (literally "Makarov pistol"), so calling it "Makarov PM" is redundant and is analogous to saying "Makarov pistol Makarov". This same mistake is often made with the Dragunov sniper rifle. SVD is also an acronym (meaning "Dragunov sniper rifle", translated), so "SVD Dragunov" is incorrect for the same reason. --MattyDienhoff 04:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
emp pulse is another one
- PIN number. --Funkychinaman 16:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Why can't we just go with "Makarov" or "Dragunov?" It's accurate (unlike Schmeisser) and they're the only guns known by those names (unlike "Browning" or "Springfield.") Most laypeople are probably more familiar with "Tokarev" rather than "TT-33." --Funkychinaman 16:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
- So I assume you want to ignore the Tokarev Rifle aka SVT-40? MoviePropMaster2008 22:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
- Leave it as it is now. For english-speaking people it's more recognizable.
- In Russia we call this weapons simple - Makarov or PM/Dragunov or SVD/RPD or Degtyaryov. I seen, in the USA and the Europe Russian weapons calls like on this site - Makarov PM/SVD Dragunov/etc. --RedCharger 18:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
If this was russian site name would be like пистолет Макарова(ПМ), but in English Pistol Makarov or Makarov's Pistol just don't sound right. So leave it as it is.
- Answering to "Most laypeople are probably more familiar with "Tokarev" rather than "TT-33.", most russians calling Tokarevs pistol
- That's what the Military called it during the Cold War. We just eliminated the "aka" (also Known As) so it would be SVD (aka) Dragunov, or Makarov (aka) Pistolet Makarova. It's the American Way. Deal with it. ;) Besides, we Americans are notorious for redundancy in our speech. "Actual Experience" "Armed Gunman" "Basic Fundamentals" "never at any time" "unexpected surprise" "surrounded on all sides" etc. etc. etc. LOL MoviePropMaster2008 22:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
"City of Ghosts"
I just saw "City of Ghosts" (2003) with Matt Dillon and James Caan. The plot involves Cambodian and Russian gangsters: seems like everybody has a Makarov in this one.
Does the PB have a slide locking mechanism?
I was reading an article about the PB and it said that the gun has a slide locking mechanism like the Mk 22 Mod 0. Is this true? Cyrus 08:41, 9 May 2012 (CDT)
Improved 9x18mm Makarov ammo
I read somewhere that the newer 9x18 Makarov cartridge designed for use in the PMM is equal, perhaps even superior to, the stopping power of the 9mm Luger. Is there any truth to this? - User: 2wingo
Updated PB?
Was a variant of the PB based on the updated PMM ever made? Spartan198 (talk) 05:57, 8 December 2014 (EST)