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= Additional Images = | |||
[[File:Colt Model 1900.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 1900 - .38 ACP. The direct predecessor of Model 1902.]] | |||
[[File:Jamesgeorgopouloswinterstaleimfdb.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Stainless engraved Colt Model 1902 pistol - .38 ACP. This is the screen-used firearm carried by [[Russell Crowe]] in the film ''[[Winter's Tale]]''. '''Thanks to [[User:Jimmygcreative|James Georgopoulos]]'''.]] | |||
[[File:1902M 35832j web.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 1902 - .38 ACP]] | |||
[[File:DSC03184.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 1902 - .38 ACP]] | |||
= Discussion = | |||
Do they still make .38 ACP? | Do they still make .38 ACP? | ||
:PCI still loads it on Graf brass, but it's pretty cheap ammo. I've used it in my 1903 and gotten lots of jams. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | |||
Please note that the bad guy in the movie "100 Rifles" - Fernando Lamas' character - carries 2 of these pistols in nickel. I can't seem to locate a photo yet. -John | |||
I was watching 100 Rifles on TV about a week ago and i'm pretty sure I saw front cocking serrations on the Colts, if thats the case it means they are early Sporting models and a true gem with the nickel and pearl grips. I thought it was wierd there was no IMFDB page for the movie with the allstar cast (Jim Brown, Racquel Welch, and Burt Reynolds for crying out loud!) and abundance of interesting firearms. [[User:Czar|Czar]] | |||
== Could this fire stronger/larger ammunition? == | |||
Would it, theoretically, be possible to convert a Colt M1902 to fire ammunition such as .38 Long Colt or .38 Special? | |||
And if you couldn't convert it, could you build one from scratch that can hold and fire it, without any changes in appearance? [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 18:58, 20 November 2012 (EST) | |||
:I don't think either of those work well in automatics due to the rim. One possibility would be .38 Super, as this is physically the same case as the old .38 ACP but with a heavier loading. Of course these would be unsafe to fire in a Model 1902, but you could use light loads. If you were building one from scratch with modern techniques and materials (and a few tweaks to the internal design probably) I see no obvious reason why you couldn't make an outwardly identical gun that could fire full power rounds. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:58, 20 November 2012 (EST) | |||
Thanks for the answer. If i may add to the conversation, what i mainly had on mind was; What is the strongest cartridge a .38 ACP Pistol could be made to fire pre-WW1? | |||
Also, does the .38 ACP have any adventages over the .45 ACP in terms of stopping power? [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 07:34, 21 November 2012 (EST) | |||
==Pictures== | |||
One of the two pictures on the page is a mock-up; things like the hammer are the exact same between the two.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 21:01, 26 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:More definitively they both have the same serial number. My first instinct is that the sporter image is the fake one (confirmed by the fact that if you look at the file history you can see the previous version of the image), as the Sporter actually has forward slide serrations rather than the rear ones that the military one had, however it is also slightly odd that the Military one lacks the paddle for the magazine release. Maybe they are both photoshops. To be sure, I have replaced them both with definitely real images --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:16, 19 February 2017 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 06:57, 6 May 2021
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Discussion
Do they still make .38 ACP?
- PCI still loads it on Graf brass, but it's pretty cheap ammo. I've used it in my 1903 and gotten lots of jams. - Nyles
Please note that the bad guy in the movie "100 Rifles" - Fernando Lamas' character - carries 2 of these pistols in nickel. I can't seem to locate a photo yet. -John
I was watching 100 Rifles on TV about a week ago and i'm pretty sure I saw front cocking serrations on the Colts, if thats the case it means they are early Sporting models and a true gem with the nickel and pearl grips. I thought it was wierd there was no IMFDB page for the movie with the allstar cast (Jim Brown, Racquel Welch, and Burt Reynolds for crying out loud!) and abundance of interesting firearms. Czar
Could this fire stronger/larger ammunition?
Would it, theoretically, be possible to convert a Colt M1902 to fire ammunition such as .38 Long Colt or .38 Special? And if you couldn't convert it, could you build one from scratch that can hold and fire it, without any changes in appearance? Z008MJ (talk) 18:58, 20 November 2012 (EST)
- I don't think either of those work well in automatics due to the rim. One possibility would be .38 Super, as this is physically the same case as the old .38 ACP but with a heavier loading. Of course these would be unsafe to fire in a Model 1902, but you could use light loads. If you were building one from scratch with modern techniques and materials (and a few tweaks to the internal design probably) I see no obvious reason why you couldn't make an outwardly identical gun that could fire full power rounds. --commando552 (talk) 19:58, 20 November 2012 (EST)
Thanks for the answer. If i may add to the conversation, what i mainly had on mind was; What is the strongest cartridge a .38 ACP Pistol could be made to fire pre-WW1? Also, does the .38 ACP have any adventages over the .45 ACP in terms of stopping power? Z008MJ (talk) 07:34, 21 November 2012 (EST)
Pictures
One of the two pictures on the page is a mock-up; things like the hammer are the exact same between the two.--Quarax (talk) 21:01, 26 November 2016 (EST)
- More definitively they both have the same serial number. My first instinct is that the sporter image is the fake one (confirmed by the fact that if you look at the file history you can see the previous version of the image), as the Sporter actually has forward slide serrations rather than the rear ones that the military one had, however it is also slightly odd that the Military one lacks the paddle for the magazine release. Maybe they are both photoshops. To be sure, I have replaced them both with definitely real images --commando552 (talk) 16:16, 19 February 2017 (EST)