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Hey guys i went to the smithsonian american history museum and Lincoln did own a Henry like in game but without foregrip.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 03:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC) | Hey guys i went to the smithsonian american history museum and Lincoln did own a Henry like in game but without foregrip.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 03:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:: | The wood stock in the front is called a Forearm, not a foregrip.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC) | ||
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It has some G3 qualities to it, but am I the only one who thinks it looks like a early model FAL? The handguard, stock, and magazine looks FAL-like to me. It could just be that I want most guns to be a FAL. | It has some G3 qualities to it, but am I the only one who thinks it looks like a early model FAL? The handguard, stock, and magazine looks FAL-like to me. It could just be that I want most guns to be a FAL. | ||
:The furniture is based on various CETME series rifles. FAL furniture is also based on CETME rifles. Now, I'll admit that the stock is a bit closer to the FAL, but the magazine is actually closer to an M16 and the handguard is a mix of several designs (CETME, early G3, possibly FAL) | |||
== 10mm Pistol == | == 10mm Pistol == | ||
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In the Mothership Zeta DLC, you encounter a cowboy character. We were never told what exactly time he is from, but we can assume late 1800s, Cowboy era. His gun is pretty much a magnum revolver, which is inaccurate for the timeline he is from. It's ammo is .44 Magnum. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | In the Mothership Zeta DLC, you encounter a cowboy character. We were never told what exactly time he is from, but we can assume late 1800s, Cowboy era. His gun is pretty much a magnum revolver, which is inaccurate for the timeline he is from. It's ammo is .44 Magnum. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | ||
*Have this in mind. Although that Bathesda could have put .44 Rimfire ammunition, (And give him a more proper gun) it was more likely done for balancing reasons, some people may be like "Why the hell i can't shoot this gun, i have .44 magnum ammo!" when they should be using the rimfire version, see what i mean? --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 18:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Well they could have just have a single action gun to fit the cowboy theme and still use the .44 magnum rounds. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | |||
::Would've been a lot simpler to just give him a .45 Colt or something along those lines. That way they could simultaneously cover their asses with the revolver and the lever rifles. [[User:Asdfzxc920|Asdfzxc920]] 00:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
Like a .45colt Andaconda or Redhawk. The Henry rifle uses .44 rimfire yet in game it uses .44 magnum. Can't expect a game to get the guns right, I would love to see one though.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
You're discussing the fact that the Cowboy's gun uses a modern round, rather than the fact that it fires 9 projectiles per shot? Also, technology and science in the Fallout universe is based on 1950's sci-fi, so real-world rules don't apply. | |||
== What about the Minigun? == | |||
The ones that the Super Mutant uses, can it be applied here? | |||
The Fallout Minigun doesn't resemble a real one other than it has six rotating barrels. However, the 5MM ammo crates do have "M134" stenciled on them, indicating that it might be intended to be a futuristic version of the modern Minigun. (Similar to the one Batou uses in GITS:SAC, which also looks and functions very dissimilar to a real M134.) There are also two other nomenclatures on the crate which are for the ball rounds and tracer rounds. It's possible that "M134" is an overall DODIC for the linked ammo as well, and just happens to have the same nomenclature as a modern Minigun. | |||
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgun Fallout Miniguns are probably based on this | |||
== Chinese assault rifle == | |||
There are suggestions this is actually based on [[AEK-971]]. Looks rather feasable --[[User:RussianTrooper|RussianTrooper]] 23:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
Looks sort of like the Finnish RK 95, http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/532/7_62_RK_95_TP.jpg | |||
Including the rear sight, front sight post, rear sights, folding stock and the extent to which the reciever overhangs the pistol grip at the rear | |||
== "Iver Johnson" == | |||
Smith & Wesson made plenty of these .32 break top revolvers, so their logo on the handle is in no way "strange". Essentially the same exact design was produced by several companies-S&W, Iver Johnson, and Harrington & Richardson. Likely others as well. So really, the title should be changed to "Smith and Wesson .32" or some such. The logo on the handle is correct and not a mistake. See photo in link. | |||
[http://mhguns.com/images/uploads/Forehand_Arms_32.jpg] | |||
I have to agree here, the Smith & Wesson '1st Model', '2nd Model', '3rd Model', '4th Model' and '5th Model' all look very similar to the Fallout 3 gun and they are also .32. [[user:Anjunafan|Anjunafan]] | |||
I decided to change it to a Smith & Wesson 2nd model. if you see any way to improve it, feel free to do so. --[[User:TravisTee|TravisTee]] 18:48, 6 December 2011 (CST) | |||
== First Person Pictures == | |||
I've noticed that this page is severely lacking in 1st person screenshots. I will take some in the next couple of days and hopefully, I will figure out how to upload them. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 22:31, 15 June 2015 (EDT) | |||
I've added a few, I will continue to work on this page and find the rest of the guns. I did not remove the other picture of the Chinese Assault Rifle as I'm not sure if I have permission but it is cropped and I do believe we have a rule against cropping pictures. Anyways, do they look good so far?[[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 14:09, 18 June 2015 (EDT) | |||
:I'm pretty sure I "took" that screengrab using google image search. Feel free to replace it. You can also add first person reload animations if you want to. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:30, 18 June 2015 (EDT) | |||
::Added some reload pictures, I should have the page completed soon with all the pictures. Taking longer because I can't console command anything.[[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 15:15, 18 June 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Picture captions == | |||
I have noticed that someone changed the captions on some of the screenshots I posted. While some of them are good, some of them contain false information and/or are downright ridiculous, I will be changing them back to describe exactly what is/was going on the pictures. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 20:03, 28 June 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Paradise Falls revolver. == | |||
When you enter Paradise Falls, immediately inside there is a big sign asking you to "Stow your piece", along with a picture of a hammerless revolver. I am unsure of the exact makers, but I figured that would be interesting to put on the list of weapons. After all, we're listing the Ruger, and that was just on the cover of a book. I'd do it myself, but I'm unable to get a screenshot of the game (one of the troubles with consoles). --[[User:TravisTee|TravisTee]] ([[User talk:TravisTee|talk]]) 03:02, 17 August 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Stopping power differences == | |||
Would it be at all worth it to mention the power differences between certain weapons? For instance, the 10mm pistol deals more damage than the chinese pistol when both use the same ammo.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 17:28, 29 October 2016 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982 | |||
== Of assault rifles, sniper rifles, and flamethrowers... == | |||
So, I feel inclined to point out a few things: given the curve to the magazine and the pistol grip design, I almost want to say that the R91 draws some influence from the CETME rifle. Secondly, the Flamer seems to have more in common with an M9 or M9A1 flamethrower than an M2. Lastly, I have no idea what the deal is with the DKS-501 sniper rifle, but I'm pretty damned sure that it doesn't really have anything to do with the SV-98. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:38, 9 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
Yeah, okay. I can see the CETME influence and the DKS-501 point is apt. I'd love to see this page be updated like NV's a bit. Other than what you've mentioned, I don't really know what else to add/change.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 13:34, 31 August 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982 | |||
==R91 basis== | |||
Just to be clear, what are we going off of to say the R91 is based on a G3 specifically and not an HK33? [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (EDT) | |||
:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT) | |||
::What's the difference between the magwells? I can't notice anything at a glance with the pictures of the real guns we have. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::Well... | |||
[[File:HK33 A2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here's an HK33...]] | |||
[[File:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...here's a G3...]] | |||
[[File:Fallout3G3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and here's the R91.]] | |||
Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT) | |||
::The "fully-closed loop" is a stamped ridge on the magazine well; on the G3 (and on the R91, which is actually easier to see it on), this ridge has 3 right angles and two non-right angles (looking a bit like a square that was cut diagonally at a random point on the side), forming a closed loop. On the HK33, however, there are just two right angles at the top, and the sides of the shape just end at the bottom of the magazine well, creating a non-closed shape. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 00:49, 7 June 2020 (EDT) | |||
== Identification of Bolt Action Rifle == | |||
I found a poster that's used in Fallout 3's Anchorage DLC and it depicts a Chinese soldier with some type of bolt action rifle it appears. Best I can think of is a shortened Type 24 copy rifle, but I'd like to see what others (who are better at identifying bolt actions) think. | |||
[[File:FO3 Poster BoltAcRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FO3 propaganda poster]] | |||
[[User:WaltherWhiteCook|WaltherWhiteCook]] ([[User talk:WaltherWhiteCook|talk]]) 16:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 16:16, 11 October 2022
Redhawk or Model 29?
Isn't the scoped .44 Magnum a Ruger Redhawk, not a Model 29? I mean, they both look fairly the same, and it would make sense for the Blackhawk to be called that, if it was a reference to another Ruger gun.
Blackhawk
- Though it's a special gun in game, the "Blackhawk" looks exactly the same as the regular Scoped .44 Magnum, not like a Ruger Blackhawk.
- I agree. The blackhawk is just a Model 29 and not a Ruger Blackhawk.Oliveira 17:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Lincoln's Repeater
- Wasn't it the SPENCER rifle that was presented to Lincoln, NOT the Henry rifle?
- On August 18, 1863, Christopher Spencer walked into the White House carrying one of his rifles and a supply of cartridges. He walked past the sentries, and into Abraham Lincoln's office. After some discussion, he returned the following afternoon, when Spencer and Lincoln were joined by Edwin Stanton, Secretary of War and other officials, and the group then proceeded to walk out on the Mall. Near the site of the Washington Monument, they engaged in target shooting. Subsequent to that meeting, the U.S ordered some 13,171 rifles and carbines, along with some 58 million rounds of ammunition (source: Wikipedia)
- Today, they make replicas fire whatever they want. Uberti makes a .44 Magnum Henry. (Henry now makes a .44 Magnum "Big Boy", but that is a completely new gun) - Gunmaster45
- Oh YEAH...it WAS a Spencer. I really hate myself now. I just watched a history channel special about it and I forgot which gun it was... This is embarrassing...Excalibur01 10:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
- Don't hate yourself, he was presented a Henry at some point. The gun seen in For a Few Dollars More is replica model of that gun. They even sell a modern replica today. - Gunmaster45
Hey guys i went to the smithsonian american history museum and Lincoln did own a Henry like in game but without foregrip.--Panther61DC08 03:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
The wood stock in the front is called a Forearm, not a foregrip.--FIVETWOSEVEN 17:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Pictures
I have gotten permission to use pictures of the fallout 3, 1, and 2 weapons from a Fallout wikipedia, so I will be helping to add to this page and the others soon. Just a heads up. RedJedRevolver
Deathlands
- If ya'll like Fallout 3, I recommend you try reading James Axler's Deathland series. The two have almost the same setting, but Deathlands is more serious-S&Wshooter 04:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- More serious? Do you mean more gritty, violent, realistic and depressing?-Oliveira 17:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hells yeah. In the series there is no such thing as a recurring protaganist- if a character isn't one of the main characters, they die horrible bloody deaths. Also, Deathlands is all about the guns. When someone is described, so is their weapon-S&Wshooter 23:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Like Threads?-Oliveira 12:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- With screenshots?
- I dunno-S&Wshooter 03:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'd just like to point out that in all three Fallout games, there are only two recurring characters, and neither of them are the player. Raan 16:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Unscoped revolver
There IS an attainable version of the unscoped S&W Model 29. It's from the Motthership Zeta expansion, carried by a guy named Paulsen
10mm SMG
Is it me, or it looks more like UMP-9 than MP5K? --194.11.24.40 23:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
R91 Assault Rifle
It has some G3 qualities to it, but am I the only one who thinks it looks like a early model FAL? The handguard, stock, and magazine looks FAL-like to me. It could just be that I want most guns to be a FAL.
- The furniture is based on various CETME series rifles. FAL furniture is also based on CETME rifles. Now, I'll admit that the stock is a bit closer to the FAL, but the magazine is actually closer to an M16 and the handguard is a mix of several designs (CETME, early G3, possibly FAL)
10mm Pistol
I doubt the 10mm pistol is an IMI design, due to its similarity with a West Coast Colt design from FO1 & FO2, and the wave of nationalism in the US before the nuclear war.
Cowboy gun
In the Mothership Zeta DLC, you encounter a cowboy character. We were never told what exactly time he is from, but we can assume late 1800s, Cowboy era. His gun is pretty much a magnum revolver, which is inaccurate for the timeline he is from. It's ammo is .44 Magnum. Excalibur01
- Have this in mind. Although that Bathesda could have put .44 Rimfire ammunition, (And give him a more proper gun) it was more likely done for balancing reasons, some people may be like "Why the hell i can't shoot this gun, i have .44 magnum ammo!" when they should be using the rimfire version, see what i mean? --Yocapo32 18:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well they could have just have a single action gun to fit the cowboy theme and still use the .44 magnum rounds. Excalibur01
- Would've been a lot simpler to just give him a .45 Colt or something along those lines. That way they could simultaneously cover their asses with the revolver and the lever rifles. Asdfzxc920 00:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Like a .45colt Andaconda or Redhawk. The Henry rifle uses .44 rimfire yet in game it uses .44 magnum. Can't expect a game to get the guns right, I would love to see one though.--FIVETWOSEVEN 17:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
You're discussing the fact that the Cowboy's gun uses a modern round, rather than the fact that it fires 9 projectiles per shot? Also, technology and science in the Fallout universe is based on 1950's sci-fi, so real-world rules don't apply.
What about the Minigun?
The ones that the Super Mutant uses, can it be applied here?
The Fallout Minigun doesn't resemble a real one other than it has six rotating barrels. However, the 5MM ammo crates do have "M134" stenciled on them, indicating that it might be intended to be a futuristic version of the modern Minigun. (Similar to the one Batou uses in GITS:SAC, which also looks and functions very dissimilar to a real M134.) There are also two other nomenclatures on the crate which are for the ball rounds and tracer rounds. It's possible that "M134" is an overall DODIC for the linked ammo as well, and just happens to have the same nomenclature as a modern Minigun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgun Fallout Miniguns are probably based on this
Chinese assault rifle
There are suggestions this is actually based on AEK-971. Looks rather feasable --RussianTrooper 23:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Looks sort of like the Finnish RK 95, http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/532/7_62_RK_95_TP.jpg
Including the rear sight, front sight post, rear sights, folding stock and the extent to which the reciever overhangs the pistol grip at the rear
"Iver Johnson"
Smith & Wesson made plenty of these .32 break top revolvers, so their logo on the handle is in no way "strange". Essentially the same exact design was produced by several companies-S&W, Iver Johnson, and Harrington & Richardson. Likely others as well. So really, the title should be changed to "Smith and Wesson .32" or some such. The logo on the handle is correct and not a mistake. See photo in link. [1]
![[1]](http://mhguns.com/images/uploads/Forehand_Arms_32.jpg){kind=link}
I have to agree here, the Smith & Wesson '1st Model', '2nd Model', '3rd Model', '4th Model' and '5th Model' all look very similar to the Fallout 3 gun and they are also .32. Anjunafan
I decided to change it to a Smith & Wesson 2nd model. if you see any way to improve it, feel free to do so. --TravisTee 18:48, 6 December 2011 (CST)
First Person Pictures
I've noticed that this page is severely lacking in 1st person screenshots. I will take some in the next couple of days and hopefully, I will figure out how to upload them. Majorcamo (talk) 22:31, 15 June 2015 (EDT)
I've added a few, I will continue to work on this page and find the rest of the guns. I did not remove the other picture of the Chinese Assault Rifle as I'm not sure if I have permission but it is cropped and I do believe we have a rule against cropping pictures. Anyways, do they look good so far?Majorcamo (talk) 14:09, 18 June 2015 (EDT)
- I'm pretty sure I "took" that screengrab using google image search. Feel free to replace it. You can also add first person reload animations if you want to. - bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2015 (EDT)
Picture captions
I have noticed that someone changed the captions on some of the screenshots I posted. While some of them are good, some of them contain false information and/or are downright ridiculous, I will be changing them back to describe exactly what is/was going on the pictures. Majorcamo (talk) 20:03, 28 June 2015 (EDT)
Paradise Falls revolver.
When you enter Paradise Falls, immediately inside there is a big sign asking you to "Stow your piece", along with a picture of a hammerless revolver. I am unsure of the exact makers, but I figured that would be interesting to put on the list of weapons. After all, we're listing the Ruger, and that was just on the cover of a book. I'd do it myself, but I'm unable to get a screenshot of the game (one of the troubles with consoles). --TravisTee (talk) 03:02, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Stopping power differences
Would it be at all worth it to mention the power differences between certain weapons? For instance, the 10mm pistol deals more damage than the chinese pistol when both use the same ammo.--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2016 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
Of assault rifles, sniper rifles, and flamethrowers...
So, I feel inclined to point out a few things: given the curve to the magazine and the pistol grip design, I almost want to say that the R91 draws some influence from the CETME rifle. Secondly, the Flamer seems to have more in common with an M9 or M9A1 flamethrower than an M2. Lastly, I have no idea what the deal is with the DKS-501 sniper rifle, but I'm pretty damned sure that it doesn't really have anything to do with the SV-98. Thoughts? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 17:38, 9 August 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, okay. I can see the CETME influence and the DKS-501 point is apt. I'd love to see this page be updated like NV's a bit. Other than what you've mentioned, I don't really know what else to add/change.--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 13:34, 31 August 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
R91 basis
Just to be clear, what are we going off of to say the R91 is based on a G3 specifically and not an HK33? Kadorhal (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
- The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in this image look rather like the one the R91 uses. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
- Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? Kadorhal (talk) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
- The "fully-closed loop" is a stamped ridge on the magazine well; on the G3 (and on the R91, which is actually easier to see it on), this ridge has 3 right angles and two non-right angles (looking a bit like a square that was cut diagonally at a random point on the side), forming a closed loop. On the HK33, however, there are just two right angles at the top, and the sides of the shape just end at the bottom of the magazine well, creating a non-closed shape. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 00:49, 7 June 2020 (EDT)
Identification of Bolt Action Rifle
I found a poster that's used in Fallout 3's Anchorage DLC and it depicts a Chinese soldier with some type of bolt action rifle it appears. Best I can think of is a shortened Type 24 copy rifle, but I'd like to see what others (who are better at identifying bolt actions) think.
WaltherWhiteCook (talk) 16:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)