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So hats apparently genuine. With various modifications, they were worn in the Soviet Army since 1935, so that Israel could seize them among the trophies in Egypt.
However, the shape of the film is still wrong - stars in the headgear to disguise relied dark green, not red.
The authors noted no other errors uniforms of Soviet soldiers. I want to stop them directly.
The colonel Zaytsin uses shoulder straps that were not worn any time or place in the USSR. Even the stars - the lieutenant.
http://f3.s.qip.ru/T5tGtCKf.jpg
His assistant wears his cap, only a faint resemblance to a Soviet Army officer 's cap and a combined arms daily badge. But at the same time under the shirt (by the way, and without a collar unbuttoned, just blatant violation of the rules), it has a sea shirt (telnashka).
http://f4.s.qip.ru/T5tGtCKl.jpg
Although the telnashka is really popular in Russia, and is used by a variety of forces and intelligence agencies, this vest - with a light-blue stripes. Such use of Russian paratroopers. With blue - the sailors. Officer paratrooper dressed completely wrong.
I also would like to know where in Afghanistan, Colonel Zaytsin found a leather coat with officer shoulder-straps. (!)
http://f4.s.qip.ru/T5tGtCKm.jpg
In the film says that an Afghan security guard wears a chevron of the Soviet Army. This is actually a chevron border troops. Border troops of the USSR Ministry of Defense did not obey, they are subordinate to the KGB. It is a tradition since 1922, when the weakness of the border troops and the threat of foreign invasion bands from abroad subdued Cheka.
Why Colonel Zaytsin wears a cap with ear-flaps with a badge of a junior officer? Why is he wearing it in the summer and in the sun?
http://f4.s.qip.ru/T5tGtCLc.jpg
In America really think that Russian pilots are painted red star on his helmet and wear civilian shirts?
http://f3.s.qip.ru/T5tGtCLk.jpg
Even in the Soviet army tank crews did not wear chevrons on the overalls.
http://f3.s.qip.ru/T5tGtCLP.jpg
In conclusion, I note that the tank in the camp, under which hides Rambo - after the T -55 set in Israel 105 - mm cannon.
Sincerely,
Nicolai Z.
==Soviet Red Dot Sight==
I think the sight we see on the spetsnaz` AK in the cave is the KOBRA Collimator sight, which can be purchased today.
Excellent work with the page, it came out great. Thanks for adding his knife and bow, I appreciate it. I also like the trivia section at the bottom. -GM
Excellent work with the page, it came out great. Thanks for adding his knife and bow, I appreciate it. I also like the trivia section at the bottom. -GM
:Do you like the few shots I added? -GM
:Do you like the few shots I added? -GM
::thanks for the deleted scenes, I don't have them on my DVD. FYI, I don't like the M203 shot that you replaced my shot with. Though it shows him firing, it is blurrier than my shot and I posted the previous shot to get a clearer view of how the weapon was mated together. I'm reverting it back. Also thanks for the RGD-1 grenades, but I've already uploaded the files but haven't had time to do the section yet. Great shots of the Knife and bow! I did have some shots of from the grenade 'field' but yours had better color so I ended up not using mine.
::thanks for the deleted scenes, I don't have them on my DVD. FYI, I don't like the M203 shot that you replaced my shot with. Though it shows him firing, it is blurrier than my shot and I posted the previous shot to get a clearer view of how the weapon was mated together. I'm reverting it back. Also thanks for the RGD-1 grenades, but I've already uploaded the files but haven't had time to do the section yet. Great shots of the Knife and bow! I did have some shots of from the grenade 'field' but yours had better color so I ended up not using mine.
:I should have asked before I changed the M203 shot. Your right, yours was better. Sorry I stole your grenade section.
:I should have asked before I changed the M203 shot. Your right, yours was better. Sorry I stole your grenade section.
*It should be noted that while the armourers uses MISRs because authentic Russian weapons were unavailable, they are correct for the Mujahideen because Egyptian rifles were supplied to the Mujahideen by the United States.
::The MISRs were identical to the Soviet AKM. Since they could easily have been equipped with captured AKMs from the puppet Afghan communist troops this is a non issue. Armorers in the US used ARMs (which was the U.S. imported named of the Egyptian MISR). We should NOT call it an MISR because later, just before the CLINTON BAN, cheaply made crap rifles CALLED the MISR were imported and were not on par with the original ARMs (AKMs). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:15, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
==Moved discussion from movie page==
-Actually Norinco made a copy of the M203 40mm grenade launcher to be used with AK type weapons. As does Romania. So this setup is believable -Spectre85
-Actually Norinco made a copy of the M203 40mm grenade launcher to be used with AK type weapons. As does Romania. So this setup is believable -Spectre85
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Did'nt the Mujahideen use captured AK's with a M203 attached? Obviously supplied by the CIA with GL's ammo, and the rifle ammo they scrounged for. I do vaguely remember an abs model kit version with wooden stock AK & M203GL that was available in the mid 1980's.
Did'nt the Mujahideen use captured AK's with a M203 attached? Obviously supplied by the CIA with GL's ammo, and the rifle ammo they scrounged for. I do vaguely remember an abs model kit version with wooden stock AK & M203GL that was available in the mid 1980's.
::I collected all the ABS kits from the 1980s and I think you're remembering something which did not exist. As for the CIA, except for the Stingers, all the small arms they supplied were Soviet in design.
- As far as the multiple shots from the M203, Rambo picks up at least two grenades from the sand after defeating Sgt. Kourov. With one already chambered in the launcher, he could have three or four shots. He is seen reloading it when he and Trautman are taking cover in the ditch.
- As far as the multiple shots from the M203, Rambo picks up at least two grenades from the sand after defeating Sgt. Kourov. With one already chambered in the launcher, he could have three or four shots. He is seen reloading it when he and Trautman are taking cover in the ditch.
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== T-64 ==
== T-64 ==
Based on the Western-style fume extractor I suspect the tank is an Israeli Ti-67 with a 105mm gun vice a true T-64, same as was used on The Beast.
Based on the Western-style fume extractor I suspect the tank is an Israeli Ti-67 with a 105mm gun vice a true T-64, same as was used on The Beast.
::Wrong. It's a T-62. Sure they may have added on some mods, but it's NOT a T64. The the Ti-67 from the Beast is a modified T-55, not a 62.
If I remember well, the tank in the movie has a larger gap between the first and second roadwheels, that would make it a T-55. I'm pretty sure that the gun is an L7. It also has boxes installed around the turret, which are present in israeli converted tanks. My guess is that it is a Ti-67 or a Tiran 6 (if it was a T-62 originaly).
Also, the FN MAG isn't really missing the butt, that's the correct configuration when firing from a mount. The butt comes off and you just attach the rear plate.
Also, the FN MAG isn't really missing the butt, that's the correct configuration when firing from a mount. The butt comes off and you just attach the rear plate.
==Typo==
By the way, the Soviet army used in Afghanistan, the only type of tank - T-62. All references to the T-72, T-64 or any other types of tanks are wrong. [[User:Slow Rider|Slow Rider]] 20:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
This is a really high-traffic page on this site and the first sentence has the word "it's" instead of "its". Checking the spelling will really give this site a more professional and credible reputation.
:I'll give you professional, but I don't see how a minor typo takes away any credibility. I've seen similar typos in federal and state documents before (ex., "payed" instead of "paid" in a document a family member received from Social Security), yet no one questions their credibility. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:17, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
== Since the page is locked I can't add this ==
::You get typos like that in official docs because they are mostly written by fat-ass ladies of negro/latino nationality, that finished evening billing course and want to be called "professionals".
::PS. ''no racism involved. Just a fact:)''
I've seen photos showing the slit in the survival knife was originally intended to accomodate an extremely silly "wing blade" accessory that never made it into the movie; I could probably find one if there was any chance of it being added. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:::"Fact" can be stated just as easily ''without'' words like "n****r". [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You're talking stereotypes, man.
:Here's the image, anyway.<br><br>[[Image:RamboIIIProto_c.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]<br><br>I guess originally the Soviets were going to make Rambo fight a Klingon or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:50, 20 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::WRONG User 178.92.168.157. The use of such racial slurs are NOT allowed on IMFDB. Only in the context of 'quoting' a film and even than we frown upon it unless it is censored somehow. You do it again. You'll get banned. Consider this your first & last warning. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:52, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::No prob. I'll edit edit my post.
Also, apparently the T-72 is built on the running gear of a surplus US Army M8A1 Cargo Tractor, which in turn was based on the M41 Walker Bulldog chassis. The fake ZSU, there's contradictory information about whether it was built on a second M8A1, an M41, or a Sheridan. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:31, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
Not to take away from the importance of avoiding racism here, but how come the original typo wasn't changed instead of arguing about credibility and people who type official documents???
::It ain't no Sheridan (not even close) and it isn't a M41 Walker either. Check it out. SIX lower bogey wheels. The M41 has only FIVE and the Sheridan has no smaller upper bogey wheels at all. The M8A1 matches the best in both cases. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:42, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
:Just checked the Red Dawn page and fixing it. They're both M8A1 Cargo Tractors.
[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:56, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
Just a note about the info at the top of the page about the production, Pete Wilson was A U.S. Senator at the time, not a California state senator. --[[User:AndCA|AndCA]] 17:46, 9 September 2011 (CDT)
== Fake AKS-74 is Norinco Type 56-1 Mocked up ? ==
[[Image:Type56MuzzleBrake.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Norinco Type 56-1]] Mocked up to resemble AKS-74 - 7.62x39mm]]
As I don't know about the year of manufacture, there is no confidence. - [[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 19:53, 8 August 2013 (JST)
:Don't think so; the mock AKS-74s in the movie have open front sights (Type 56s have the full-circle front sight) and the stocks have no slant. They look more like AKMS to me. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 22:27, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
::It could also be a Maadi considering it was filmed in Israel. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 04:17, 9 August 2013 (EDT)
:::The folding stock version of the Maadi has a side-folding stock rather than under-folding, so it's not one of those. I would imagine that those are Soviet-manufacture AKMS, though there are other possibilities. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 17:30, 9 August 2013 (EDT)
== Can anyone help me identify the type of machine gun Rambo used from the tank during the final battle? ==
I checked the machine guns category and realized there wasn't the machine gun Rambo used from the tank during the final battle. I couldn't get a clear look on what kind of machine gun he used from the tank, can anyone please help me identify it? [[User:Mojo72400|Mojo72400]] ([[User talk:Mojo72400|talk]]) 03:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
: The co-ax MG he fires when he charges Zaysen's "Hind" you mean? I think it's that AN/M2 mockup (or perhaps just closeup shots of it) being re-used. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:49, 16 July 2021 (EDT)
== Can anyone help me identify the type of grenade Rambo used during the base shootout ==
None of the grenades in the list mention the one that Rambo used during the base shootout so I was wondering what type is this grenade? --[[User:Mojo72400|Mojo72400]] ([[User talk:Mojo72400|talk]]) 05:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
So hats apparently genuine. With various modifications, they were worn in the Soviet Army since 1935, so that Israel could seize them among the trophies in Egypt.
However, the shape of the film is still wrong - stars in the headgear to disguise relied dark green, not red.
The authors noted no other errors uniforms of Soviet soldiers. I want to stop them directly.
The colonel Zaytsin uses shoulder straps that were not worn any time or place in the USSR. Even the stars - the lieutenant.
His assistant wears his cap, only a faint resemblance to a Soviet Army officer 's cap and a combined arms daily badge. But at the same time under the shirt (by the way, and without a collar unbuttoned, just blatant violation of the rules), it has a sea shirt (telnashka).
Although the telnashka is really popular in Russia, and is used by a variety of forces and intelligence agencies, this vest - with a light-blue stripes. Such use of Russian paratroopers. With blue - the sailors. Officer paratrooper dressed completely wrong.
I also would like to know where in Afghanistan, Colonel Zaytsin found a leather coat with officer shoulder-straps. (!)
In the film says that an Afghan security guard wears a chevron of the Soviet Army. This is actually a chevron border troops. Border troops of the USSR Ministry of Defense did not obey, they are subordinate to the KGB. It is a tradition since 1922, when the weakness of the border troops and the threat of foreign invasion bands from abroad subdued Cheka.
Why Colonel Zaytsin wears a cap with ear-flaps with a badge of a junior officer? Why is he wearing it in the summer and in the sun?
In conclusion, I note that the tank in the camp, under which hides Rambo - after the T -55 set in Israel 105 - mm cannon.
Sincerely,
Nicolai Z.
Soviet Red Dot Sight
I think the sight we see on the spetsnaz` AK in the cave is the KOBRA Collimator sight, which can be purchased today.
Excellent work with the page, it came out great. Thanks for adding his knife and bow, I appreciate it. I also like the trivia section at the bottom. -GM
Do you like the few shots I added? -GM
thanks for the deleted scenes, I don't have them on my DVD. FYI, I don't like the M203 shot that you replaced my shot with. Though it shows him firing, it is blurrier than my shot and I posted the previous shot to get a clearer view of how the weapon was mated together. I'm reverting it back. Also thanks for the RGD-1 grenades, but I've already uploaded the files but haven't had time to do the section yet. Great shots of the Knife and bow! I did have some shots of from the grenade 'field' but yours had better color so I ended up not using mine.
I should have asked before I changed the M203 shot. Your right, yours was better. Sorry I stole your grenade section.
It should be noted that while the armourers uses MISRs because authentic Russian weapons were unavailable, they are correct for the Mujahideen because Egyptian rifles were supplied to the Mujahideen by the United States.
The MISRs were identical to the Soviet AKM. Since they could easily have been equipped with captured AKMs from the puppet Afghan communist troops this is a non issue. Armorers in the US used ARMs (which was the U.S. imported named of the Egyptian MISR). We should NOT call it an MISR because later, just before the CLINTON BAN, cheaply made crap rifles CALLED the MISR were imported and were not on par with the original ARMs (AKMs). MoviePropMaster2008 15:15, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
-Actually Norinco made a copy of the M203 40mm grenade launcher to be used with AK type weapons. As does Romania. So this setup is believable -Spectre85
No it is ridiculous ... since the weapon is supposed to be RUSSIAN, not Chinese (since the weapon was taken off of a Spetnaz Sergeant) and the Russians never used M203 or clones of the M203 during this time period. Also I've never heard of a Norinco M203 so please furnish a link or something to prove this. This is very intriguing information.
It's still ridiculous because it's anachronistic. None of these M203 rip off clones were made in the 1980s when the film was shot and set. So the set up is ridiculous. MPM2008
Did'nt the Mujahideen use captured AK's with a M203 attached? Obviously supplied by the CIA with GL's ammo, and the rifle ammo they scrounged for. I do vaguely remember an abs model kit version with wooden stock AK & M203GL that was available in the mid 1980's.
I collected all the ABS kits from the 1980s and I think you're remembering something which did not exist. As for the CIA, except for the Stingers, all the small arms they supplied were Soviet in design.
- As far as the multiple shots from the M203, Rambo picks up at least two grenades from the sand after defeating Sgt. Kourov. With one already chambered in the launcher, he could have three or four shots. He is seen reloading it when he and Trautman are taking cover in the ditch.
I think the loading scene is the FIRST grenade. He never reloads after the battle starts, of course this could have been edited out or not shot. There is another scene mentioned in the film where Rambo picks up an enemy gun and the shot was removed by the editor and makes it look like Rambo magically as a new rifle. MPM2008
T-64
Based on the Western-style fume extractor I suspect the tank is an Israeli Ti-67 with a 105mm gun vice a true T-64, same as was used on The Beast.
Wrong. It's a T-62. Sure they may have added on some mods, but it's NOT a T64. The the Ti-67 from the Beast is a modified T-55, not a 62.
If I remember well, the tank in the movie has a larger gap between the first and second roadwheels, that would make it a T-55. I'm pretty sure that the gun is an L7. It also has boxes installed around the turret, which are present in israeli converted tanks. My guess is that it is a Ti-67 or a Tiran 6 (if it was a T-62 originaly).
Also, the FN MAG isn't really missing the butt, that's the correct configuration when firing from a mount. The butt comes off and you just attach the rear plate.
By the way, the Soviet army used in Afghanistan, the only type of tank - T-62. All references to the T-72, T-64 or any other types of tanks are wrong. Slow Rider 20:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Since the page is locked I can't add this
I've seen photos showing the slit in the survival knife was originally intended to accomodate an extremely silly "wing blade" accessory that never made it into the movie; I could probably find one if there was any chance of it being added. Vangelis 10:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I guess originally the Soviets were going to make Rambo fight a Klingon or something. Evil Tim 08:50, 20 April 2011 (CDT)
Also, apparently the T-72 is built on the running gear of a surplus US Army M8A1 Cargo Tractor, which in turn was based on the M41 Walker Bulldog chassis. The fake ZSU, there's contradictory information about whether it was built on a second M8A1, an M41, or a Sheridan. Evil Tim 00:31, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
It ain't no Sheridan (not even close) and it isn't a M41 Walker either. Check it out. SIX lower bogey wheels. The M41 has only FIVE and the Sheridan has no smaller upper bogey wheels at all. The M8A1 matches the best in both cases. MoviePropMaster2008 01:42, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
Just checked the Red Dawn page and fixing it. They're both M8A1 Cargo Tractors.
Just a note about the info at the top of the page about the production, Pete Wilson was A U.S. Senator at the time, not a California state senator. --AndCA 17:46, 9 September 2011 (CDT)
As I don't know about the year of manufacture, there is no confidence. - KINKI'boy (talk) 19:53, 8 August 2013 (JST)
Don't think so; the mock AKS-74s in the movie have open front sights (Type 56s have the full-circle front sight) and the stocks have no slant. They look more like AKMS to me. -MT2008 (talk) 22:27, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
It could also be a Maadi considering it was filmed in Israel. --BeloglaviSup (talk) 04:17, 9 August 2013 (EDT)
The folding stock version of the Maadi has a side-folding stock rather than under-folding, so it's not one of those. I would imagine that those are Soviet-manufacture AKMS, though there are other possibilities. -MT2008 (talk) 17:30, 9 August 2013 (EDT)
Can anyone help me identify the type of machine gun Rambo used from the tank during the final battle?
I checked the machine guns category and realized there wasn't the machine gun Rambo used from the tank during the final battle. I couldn't get a clear look on what kind of machine gun he used from the tank, can anyone please help me identify it? Mojo72400 (talk) 03:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
The co-ax MG he fires when he charges Zaysen's "Hind" you mean? I think it's that AN/M2 mockup (or perhaps just closeup shots of it) being re-used. StanTheMan (talk) 22:49, 16 July 2021 (EDT)
Can anyone help me identify the type of grenade Rambo used during the base shootout
None of the grenades in the list mention the one that Rambo used during the base shootout so I was wondering what type is this grenade? --Mojo72400 (talk) 05:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
