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Could i screencap this one?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]]
==Too many screencaps. Seriously.==
- Is it just me, or does there seem to be a slightly excessive amount of screencaps with the M1 Garand, notably the ones from the episode 'Crossroads', where they act as almost a blow-by-blow telling of a whole sequence in the episode? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:- Ok, far from there being less, it seems that ''even more'' screencaps have been posted. There's now about 2 dozen or so showing the Thompson, and about '''three dozen''' showing the Garand. Now it's just plain ridiculous. Do we really need that many images? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. I left a message for Crackshot about this. I was thinking of taking some of the excess shots and putting them in the discussion section. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- That sounds cool to me - most of the images are good ones. Just there's too damn many on the page is all. Forgive me, but I get a bit irked when I have a 20in monitor and still have to scroll down a mile or two for the next gun on the list. :b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
== Springfields ==
== Springfields ==
''This is the only piece of kit in this production that bothered me. Why was this guy carrying a Springfield? There is no evidence of a scope mount and by this time, if I am correct, the Springfield had been phased out of frontline service in favour of the Garand.'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
''This is the only piece of kit in this production that bothered me. Why was this guy carrying a Springfield? There is no evidence of a scope mount and by this time, if I am correct, the Springfield had been phased out of frontline service in favour of the Garand.'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
There is a famous picture of US troops of the 2nd Infantry Division walking up a hill after storming the Normandy beaches, and all of them have Springfield 03 rifles slung over their shoulders. So they obviously were still using them.
There were still a few soldiers using Springfields without scopes during World War 2, due to a very slight shortage of M1 Garands. The shortage would have stopped by 1944 (in which ''Band of Brothers'' takes place. This guy just must have either decided to keep his Springfield or didn't get reissued with an M1--[[User: Colt Revolver Fan]]
There were still a few soldiers using Springfields without scopes during World War 2, due to a very slight shortage of M1 Garands. The shortage would have stopped by 1944 (in which ''Band of Brothers'' takes place. This guy just must have either decided to keep his Springfield or didn't get reissued with an M1--[[User: Colt Revolver Fan]]
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:The 1903 was widely used by US Army and US Marine Corps personnel in from 1942 until late 1944. Garands were nonexistent in US Military hands that were in the shit in 1941 and early 1942 (January). By the time of the Battle of Guandacanal and the Begin of the African Campaign, M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and 1903s were widely used by the US Marine Corps and the US Army. By 1943 the Springfields, Carbines and the Garands were still being used but by Late 1943, springfields were being "retired" and the Garands and M1s completely replacing them. By the Invasion of Normandy, there were still 1903s being used but, less than Garands. I don't know if Airborne units used 1903s however they probably used them. Back to the Garand and 1903s, by 1945 the Garand and the M1 Carbine completely replaced the 1903.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:The 1903 was widely used by US Army and US Marine Corps personnel in from 1942 until late 1944. Garands were nonexistent in US Military hands that were in the shit in 1941 and early 1942 (January). By the time of the Battle of Guandacanal and the Begin of the African Campaign, M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and 1903s were widely used by the US Marine Corps and the US Army. By 1943 the Springfields, Carbines and the Garands were still being used but by Late 1943, springfields were being "retired" and the Garands and M1s completely replacing them. By the Invasion of Normandy, there were still 1903s being used but, less than Garands. I don't know if Airborne units used 1903s however they probably used them. Back to the Garand and 1903s, by 1945 the Garand and the M1 Carbine completely replaced the 1903.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
*It appears that the M1903 Springfield was lastly used in the Korean war and was used in the early stages of the Vietnam war limited. The M1 Garand remained in service until it was replaced by the M2 carbine and the M1 Carbine during the Vietnam war. Also, I found [http://www.bandofbrothers.wikia.com this website while searching for Band of Brothers online]. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
*It appears that the M1903 Springfield was lastly used in the Korean war and was used in the early stages of the Vietnam war limited. The M1 Garand remained in service until it was replaced by the M2 carbine and the M1 Carbine during the Vietnam war. Also, I found [http://www.bandofbrothers.wikia.com this website while searching for Band of Brothers online]. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
The Springfield was still issued at a rate of one per rifle squad to launch anti-tank Grenades. Source: http://www.olive-drab.com/od_other_firearms_rifle_m1903.php3
I don't think paratroopers still used the Springfield in 1944. This particular guy was probably issued the M1 Garand but still favored the 1903 since he was seen carrying BOTH weapons earlier in the Episode
== M3 greasegun. ==
== M3 greasegun. ==
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A. I think the ones used in this were A1s, an error when Cobb has one in Holland, as they didn't exist until later in the year, and
A. I think the ones used in this were A1s, an error when Cobb has one in Holland, as they didn't exist until later in the year, and
B. Lipton never uses one. He jumps into Normandy with a Thompson whic he loses. Briefly carries a Mp-40 which he swaps for an M1A1 carbine which hes uses for the rest of the fighting in France, and swaps for a Garand which he uses till he gets a battlefield commision, and switches back to a carbine.
B. Lipton never uses one. He jumps into Normandy with a Thompson which he loses. Briefly carries a Mp-40 which he swaps for an M1A1 carbine which hes uses for the rest of the fighting in France, and swaps for a Garand which he uses till he gets a battlefield commision, and switches back to a carbine.
Wrong: Lipton is seen doing something (something involving the magazine) with a Greasegun when they prepare the jump in part 1
==Winters' Garand==
==Winters' Garand==
Towards the end of the book Winters mentioned how his Garand had been modified for full auto fire and that the sergeant who had accomplished the feat had since forgotten how he managed the mod to the weapon. I did question the practicality of it since, with the 8 round en bloc mag...you would empty the weapon in 2 seconds if that.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Towards the end of the book Winters mentioned how his Garand had been modified for full auto fire and that the sergeant who had accomplished the feat had since forgotten how he managed the mod to the weapon. I did question the practicality of it since, with the 8 round en bloc mag...you would empty the weapon in 2 seconds if that.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
That thing would be a monster in close quarters, although its size and kick might hamper it. But I agree, that would be quite impractical. Was he said to use that same Garand throughout his tour in the book?
That's weird, never heard of that. So it would basically be a BAR with only 8 rounds. Why didn't he just swap his Garand for a BAR?
:I wouldn't worry about it as I think the OP got the wrong end of the stick as the modifications were carried out by Forrest Guth on M1 ''Carbines'', not Garand rifles. There is a chapter in Buck Comptons memoirs about the Normandy drop where he laments the fact that when he lost his leg bag he lost his full automatic M1 carbine. Just FYI, there was a trick that soldier did with the M1 Garand to make it temporarily fully auto(ish) involving a [http://www.saysuncle.com/images/shoestringmg.JPG shoestring]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:52, 25 August 2012 (CDT)
== Stug III / Stug IV ==
== Stug III / Stug IV ==
that Assault Gun, witch is hit by the Bazooka is not a StuG IV, its a StuG III
that Assault Gun, which is hit by the Bazooka is not a StuG IV, its a StuG III
Which was built on the hull of a FV432 APC. It doesn't look quite right to someone who knows WW2 armour, but it is a very good look-a-like. Much better than the T-34s dressed up as Tigers in Kelly's Heroes and Saving Private Ryan. And the Marder mobile AT gun looks very good too.
== Additional Screenshots ==
[[Image:Bob1m1a11.jpg|left|thumb|400px|An Easy Company soldier fires during training]]
[[Image:Bob2tm1a12.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Bill Guarnere ducks with his Thompson]]
[[Image:GuarnereThompson.jpg|left|thumb|400px|Guarnere fires his Thompson as he chews Donald Malarkey ([[Scott Grimes]]) for being a "Stupid Mick".]]
[[Image:WelshThompson.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) with his Thompson in "Carentan."]]
[[Image:GuarnereThompson2.jpg|left|thumb|400px|Bill Guarnere ([[Frank John Hughes]]) with his Thompson.]]
[[Image:Bob4tm1a1.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Johnny Martin ([[Dexter Fletcher]]) fires his Thompson]]
[[Image:Bob1m1g2.jpg|left|thumb|400px|The men of Easy Company fire their Garands in training during "Curahee".]]
[[Image:Bob2m1g2.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Lt. Winters reloads his Garand.]]
[[Image:WintersGarand2.jpg|left|thumb|400px|Winters aims his Garand. Note that it is unloaded.]]
[[Image:Bob2m1g3.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Another shot of Winters firing his Garand.]]
[[Image:WintersGarand.jpg|left|thumb|400px|Winters fire his Garand at fleeing German soldiers.]]
[[Image:ParatrooperGarand.jpg|none|thumb|400px|A Paratrooper fires his Garand.]]
[[Image:Bob4m1g1.jpg|left|thumb|400px|Paratroopers firing their Garands during the episode "Replacements".]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g8.jpg|none|thumb|400px|''"Joe, knock it off!"'' Leibgott is told to stop shooting at German soldiers.]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g9.jpg|left|thumb|400px|''"Take these prisoners back to Battalion CP."'' Liebgott is ordered by Winters.]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g10.jpg|none|thumb|400px|''"Drop your ammo. Give me your weapon."'']]
[[Image:Bob5m1g12.jpg|none|thumb|400px|''"You have '''one''' round. If you drop a prisoner, the rest will jump you."'']]
[[Image:Bob6m1g1.jpg|left|thumb|400px|A paratrooper blind fires his Garand during the battle of Bastogne.]]
[[Image:Bob8m1g2.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Another paratrooper cleans his Garand in the episode "The Last Patrol".]]
[[Image:Bob1mb.jpg|none|thumb|400px|M1 bayonet]]
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== Thompson Mags ==
Why is the Thompson only seen with the 30rd mag attached altough many soldiers, such as Martin, Lipton or Welch, are seen carrying the 5 cell pouch for 20rd magazines? Same in Saving Private Ryan. The used some 20rd Magazines in The Pacific though
:We also never see any M1928 Thompsons, despite photographic evidence of Speirs with an M1928. --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 18:51, 12 November 2016 (EST)
== Mortars ==
Due to a lack of BoB on my computer, i'd like to ask you one thing.
In parts 3, 5, and 7 the mortar (I'm not sure wether it is an M1 or an M2) is clearly used. But, as a matter of fact, I don't see any picture of it on this page. Maybe an idea to poston the page?
Greetings from Holland --[[User:Wouter98|Wouter98]] 10:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
== Lighters ==
When the soldier puts the lighter to the sight on his M1 Garand, how would darkening the sight help with the weapon and does it make a significant difference? --[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 20:43, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
@MarineCorps1
The soldier isn't darkening the sight, he's just burning the dirt away from it ;) --[[User:Wouter98|Wouter98]] 12:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:I always thought he was burning it so it blackened and wouldn't glint in any light during the night time mission? --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 01:59, 14 June 2015 (GMT)
== Richard "Dick" Winters ==
I just heard that Richard "Dick" Winters passed away on January 2,2011. May his soul rest in peace for everything he did for Easy Company 506th of the 101st Airborne. --[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:34, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
:A true hero. Rest In Peace, Major. --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 23:56, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
== M1 or M9 Bazooka? ==
Although throughout the series it does not appear much, but may I know which is better, as in comparing of its power, weight, penetration, explosion radius and accuracy. Which is a better choice of equipment during the war? - S9771773G 10:40, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
:Well, the M9, being as it was just generally better than the M1A1. Reinforced tube, optical sight, a more powerful rocket, etc. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:51, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
== Walther PPK appearance? ==
In episode 4, Easy Company meet up with a Dutch Resistance Member who appears to have a handgun stuffed down his trousers, ironically at such an angle that if it misfires, he won't be able to have 'kinderen'. Judging by the grip, and the fact that it was used by many resistance groups in WWII, it's probably a Walther PPK. Can anyone confirm?
== Sobel, his 1911, and firearm safety. ==
Watching episode 1, it's interesting how Sobel's use and handling of his 1911 sidearm provides further indication of his poor suitability for field command. Of the junior officers, only Sobel does not carry a shoulder weapon of some type; all the others carry a Garand, carbine, or Thompson in addition to their sidearm. Furthermore, though Sobel is never seen firing his .45, his finger seems to always be on the trigger whenever he has it in hand, including while running with it and - in a particularly glaring example of poor safety habits - when he points it at his men while selecting "wounded" during a training exercise. [[User:Guy Incognito|Guy Incognito]] 20:30, 16 October 2013 (EDT)
== My review of Band Of Brothers ==
★★★★★
Epic! Breathtaking! Emotional! Thrilling! These are just some of the words that I would use to describe the 10 part HBO mini series Band Of Brothers. Executive Produced by Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks Band Of Brothers follows the story of the men in the 101st Airborne Division, Easy Company from their initial training, through to the end of the war. This incredible series has an ensemble cast of fantastic actors, each of whom brings something totally different to the story. It's hard to describe this in terms of episodes for me because I usually end up watching the whole series in 1 or 2 sittings, so to me it feels like one huge 11 hour movie.
The series' look takes it's cue from Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan, and it is equally as brutal, if not more brutal than that film. The special effects look fantastic, with genius techniques used to capture the look and feel of battle. They used compressed air blowing dirt and other things out of a cone for a lot of the explosions which meant they could safely have actors and stuntmen standing right on top of a blast when it went off. These techniques keep you fully lodged into the reality of the battles as there is no obvious moment where an explosion is no where near the actor or it has been added in post production. The sound design as well is particularly fantastic as it manages to make you feel like you are in the middle of the battle, especially if viewed on a surround sound system where the sounds of the battle are literally coming at you from all angles. The music in the series is simply outstanding, Michael Kamen truly excelled himself with the score, the opening theme alone is a stunning piece of work. The CGI used for the most part is impressive, the paradrop sequence for the Market Garden operation looks awe inspiring, the only piece of bad CGI I noticed was the blue screen used for the first paradrop where it follows Dick Winters on his first combat jump, although this is totally forgiveable as blue screen was still relatively new to TV productions back in 2001 and because it is only this short sequence that really stands out it doesn't ruin the whole experience.
Damien Lewis gives an utterly convincing and quite frankly incredible performance as Lt./Capt./Major Dick Winters, he manages to portray the changes that the character goes through because of his experiences perfectly, there is no overacting on his part and no melodrama. The subtleties to his performance make it all the more convincing. Because this is an ensemble piece it would take far too long to go through each individual character as there are about 20 in total so what I will say about them as a group is that each actor and character brings a different level to this series, their portrayals add an extra depth to the story, and give a bigger reality to the events, not only as viewers do we know that the events we are witnessing really happened but through the actors performances we believe that what we are seeing is what actually happened. Their performances invoked more emotional responses from me than any weepy dreary movie has ever done. The sequence in Part 9 at the Concentration Camp almost moved me to tears when Liebgott had to tell the Jews they found that they were had to remain in the camps whilst appropriate care was provided. Where the reactions of the people in the camps was moving, I found Ross McCall's performance to be the most emotionally impacting moment of the scene. My favourite character was probably George Luz portrayed by Rick Gomez. Gomez's character seems to be the comic relief of the group for when it is needed but that doesn't mean that he spends his time cracking jokes all the time, only about 10% of his screen time is taken up with the moments of comedy, and most of them involve impressions of officers, in the first episode there is an incredibly funny moment on a training exercise involving Luz.
What makes this series stand apart from a lot of other war films or series is that at the start of every episode there would be interviews with surviving members of the real Easy Company, I think that these short interviews help to build up the realism and they help us to connect with the characters in the series, you can't help but feel something when you see these old men remembering their lost friends and almost crying just because of their memories. It helps to add an emotional connection between the viewer and the series as you are seeing how these events affected these men and when you see something that was talked about in one of the interviews it makes a bigger impact.
To sum up, if you are a fan of war movies and haven't seen this then it should go to the top of your list of things to watch. From a film maker's stand point this is a how to manual on creating the perfect war story. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:34, 3 March 2012 (CST)
:Too many words, but +1 to 5 star rating and last sentence.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 00:27, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
== M1917? ==
Anybody else think this rifle ID'd as an M1917 is just the same Springfield M1903 that is used used at other points in "Carentan"?
[[File:P17BOB.jpg|none|thumb|602px|The far right soldier in front of Smokey's Browning M1919 is seen with a P17 slung over his back.]]
The front sight looks more like an M1903 than and M1917 to me, plus it is more likely that it will be a rifle that appears in other scenes rather than just randomly something else. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:17, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
The original one I posted, while blurry, seems to show that it shows the P17's iron sights better, you can tell there are opened holes in the front sight, something none of the Springfield rifles had, plus on close examination, the rifle has a longer exposed barrel than the Springfield. It's barely noticable, but, zoom in on both pictures to see ----[[User:Bosoxboy521|Bosoxboy521]] ([[User talk:Bosoxboy521|talk]]) 22:27, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
: I added a closeup shot. Is it possible it's a SMLE? It would seem more likely since that rifle was seen later in the episode. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 03:44, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
::No, the barrel band is wrong for a No.4 Mk.1 and the sight would be farther back right up against the cap. From the general design of the barrel band, it is either (and I'm just narrowing down to the more likely possibilities here) an M1903 or an M1917:[[File:M1917enfield.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M1917]][[File:Springfield03A3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M1903A3]]The only parts that are visible really are the front sight and the barrel band, so these are the only parts I will talk about. On the M1917, the front and rear of the front sight are vertical and parallel. On the show gun the front is vertical, but the back has a general sort of sloped profile to it, suggesting that it is an M1903A3. As for the barrel band, on the top of it there is a distinct step at the back which is more indicative of the M1903A3 one. Also, if you look at the bottom edge you will see that there are two distinct parts to the bayonet lug and there is a sling swivel behind it (directly under the stepped portion at the back) making it a match for the M1903A3. I don't know if this secondary part to the bayonet lug is actually anything to with the bayonet, but whatever it is, it is indicative not only of an M1903A3 over and M1917, but also over an original M1903. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:04, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
My apologies, I looked back and it is an M1903A3. In fact, Alton Moore carries it in Carentan, but drops it to help Smokey feed the gun and switches over to an M1 Garand with a rifle grenade --[[User:Bosoxboy521|Bosoxboy521]] ([[User talk:Bosoxboy521|talk]]) 16:22, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
==More Weapons Needed==
Someone needs to add the 105 Gebirgshaubitze cannons from Brecourt Manor and the 88mm cannons from Foy to the German Heavy Weapons section. I would, however, I am not too sure how to upload photos on this site. It seems very difficult. If someone knows how, please tell me how.
:On the left, you should see "Upload file" under toolbox. Select the source file at top (or you can click and drag) and add the appropriate tags below it. Then click "Upload file". --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:01, 18 April 2015 (EDT)
==Black B.A.R==
In the episode, "The Last Patrol" I believe Sgt. Martin hands off a black painted B.A.R to a soldier as he walks into a room. That same soldier (the one who received the B.A.R) is also one of the men who's boat flips over. On Martin's actor's page it is listed that he used/held a B.A.R but we do not have a picture of this. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 20:44, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
== Vehicle Section ==
Is there anyone who could upload some pictures of the tanks and such as some of them are really unique i.e the Jagdpanther, Stugs, ands Marders. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 22:17, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
:There's a [http://www.imcdb.org/movie_185906-Band-of-Brothers.html site] for that. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 00:08, 20 August 2015 (EDT)
== New Service revolver ==
The revolver sent from home that's still described as a New Service is a small-framed Colt, probably a Police Positive. The New Service is a really big gun, and the trooper has his hand wrapped almost completely around the frame. Even if the gun's small size is not enough, the shape of the frame forward of the trigger guard is not New Service.
:First, mark your posts RickB, second I don't think it's a Police Positive. Yes, the New Service is a pretty big revolver, but it's not impossible for it to be that size. The barrel seems to be too big to be a standard Police Positive caliber. What I guess is that the revolver is a Colt New Service in .38 Special, much easier to get for a US GI going into Europe, and a lot easier than a Police Positive in .38 S&W. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 14:11, 2 February 2016 (EST)
:The New Service is comparable to the S&W Hand Ejector Mk II, and I can hold mine almost identically to how he holds that Colt. Although I'd think a New Service in .45 ACP would be more likely to be approved than one in .357. --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 18:56, 12 November 2016 (EST)
Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "mark my posts"? If you watch episode three, in the scene where Talbert is bayoneted, he's using the revolver to rap on a sleeping trooper's helmet, and you can see that the inside of the trigger guard is oval; the New Service trigger guard isn't oval on the inside. That, and, again, it's not big enough to be a New Service. Not trying to be difficult, but am interested in the info being correct.
:He means to sign your posts, which is done by either pressing the "Signature and timestamp" button at the top of the edit window (looks like a pencil doing a signature), or by just typing in <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. This way it signs your name, links to your talk page and puts in a timestamp. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:07, 14 February 2016 (EST)
Thanks.--[[User:RickB|RickB]] ([[User talk:RickB|talk]]) 17:01, 28 February 2016 (EST)
== German Heavy Weapons ==
I got some screencaps of the Gebirgshaubitze and the Flak 88 that I would add to the page. Can anyone identify the type of the Flak 88 canon (Flak 36 or 37?)--[[User:HighPhigh|HighPhigh]] ([[User talk:HighPhigh|talk]]) 07:35, 7 February 2016 (EST)
===10.5 cm Gebirgshaubitze 40===
In "Day of Days" (Ep.2), four 10.5 cm Gebirgshaubitze 40 Howitzers are in the German artillery position at Brecourt Manor.
[[Image:BOB_gebirgs1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The first Gebirgshaubitze captured by Easy Company.]]
German soldiers defending the town of Foy with various 8,8 cm Flak canons in "The Breaking Point" (Ep.7).
[[Image:BOB_flak881.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Flak before fired by the Germans.]]
[[Image:BOB_flak882.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing the canon.]]
[[Image:BOB_flak883.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closer shot of the canon.]]
[[Image:BOB_flak884.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A total view of the flak as the German sniper opens fire.]]
== A French soldier is Axis? Really? ==
I just moved the C96 to the Allied section, since, whereas the Luger is explicitly captured from Axis forces, there is no indication that is the case here and given his actions, he's definitely not Milice/Vichy France. --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 18:49, 12 November 2016 (EST)
== Unknown revolver (?) ==
In episode 6 when the officer is telling the troops about the "nuts!" response to the German request for surrender, you can see that he has an unknown sidearm, possibly a revolver. It's only seen very briefly but it appears to have either stag, bone or ivory grips. It definitely isn't a standard issue 1911. [https://youtu.be/mznnfmVwBcc Clip is here ] edit: I don't know about the real officer but could this possibly be a reference to Patton? I know he carried several revolvers with somewhat decorative grips --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 22:50, 1 January 2018 (EST)
:Its definitely a 1911 of some sort, but not sure if it is an A1 or not. [http://www.desktopimages.org/preview/get_photo/211306/2048/1152 Here] is a hi-res promo image (I think from crossroads but not 100%) that shows the bottom of the grip. My guess is that it is an original M1911 rather than an A1 as it looks to have the straight backstrap, but can't really tell for sure. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2018 (EST)
:: Yeah, you're right, sorry I didn't notice the grips until the Bastonge episode and like I said, it was a brief glimpse then. Seems odd that they've given a somewhat custom pistol to a character who never draws or uses it --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 15:44, 2 January 2018 (EST)
::: It was not uncommon for more senior officers to carry their own customised or personal sidearms in WW2. As for why they did it, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the choice of the actor. That is [[Dale Dye]] who was also one of the military advisors for the series. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:11, 2 January 2018 (EST)
- Is it just me, or does there seem to be a slightly excessive amount of screencaps with the M1 Garand, notably the ones from the episode 'Crossroads', where they act as almost a blow-by-blow telling of a whole sequence in the episode? StanTheMan 02:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, far from there being less, it seems that even more screencaps have been posted. There's now about 2 dozen or so showing the Thompson, and about three dozen showing the Garand. Now it's just plain ridiculous. Do we really need that many images? StanTheMan 03:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. I left a message for Crackshot about this. I was thinking of taking some of the excess shots and putting them in the discussion section. --Ben41 06:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- That sounds cool to me - most of the images are good ones. Just there's too damn many on the page is all. Forgive me, but I get a bit irked when I have a 20in monitor and still have to scroll down a mile or two for the next gun on the list. :b StanTheMan 20:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Springfields
This is the only piece of kit in this production that bothered me. Why was this guy carrying a Springfield? There is no evidence of a scope mount and by this time, if I am correct, the Springfield had been phased out of frontline service in favour of the Garand.Charon68
There is a famous picture of US troops of the 2nd Infantry Division walking up a hill after storming the Normandy beaches, and all of them have Springfield 03 rifles slung over their shoulders. So they obviously were still using them.
There were still a few soldiers using Springfields without scopes during World War 2, due to a very slight shortage of M1 Garands. The shortage would have stopped by 1944 (in which Band of Brothers takes place. This guy just must have either decided to keep his Springfield or didn't get reissued with an M1--User: Colt Revolver Fan
Actually the Springfield was widely used due to several M1 Garands shortages because soldiers favoured it due to it's rate of fire. - Kenny99
The 1903 was widely used by US Army and US Marine Corps personnel in from 1942 until late 1944. Garands were nonexistent in US Military hands that were in the shit in 1941 and early 1942 (January). By the time of the Battle of Guandacanal and the Begin of the African Campaign, M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and 1903s were widely used by the US Marine Corps and the US Army. By 1943 the Springfields, Carbines and the Garands were still being used but by Late 1943, springfields were being "retired" and the Garands and M1s completely replacing them. By the Invasion of Normandy, there were still 1903s being used but, less than Garands. I don't know if Airborne units used 1903s however they probably used them. Back to the Garand and 1903s, by 1945 the Garand and the M1 Carbine completely replaced the 1903.-Oliveira 20:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
It appears that the M1903 Springfield was lastly used in the Korean war and was used in the early stages of the Vietnam war limited. The M1 Garand remained in service until it was replaced by the M2 carbine and the M1 Carbine during the Vietnam war. Also, I found this website while searching for Band of Brothers online. - Kenny99 03:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think paratroopers still used the Springfield in 1944. This particular guy was probably issued the M1 Garand but still favored the 1903 since he was seen carrying BOTH weapons earlier in the Episode
M3 greasegun.
Not that it matters but,
A. I think the ones used in this were A1s, an error when Cobb has one in Holland, as they didn't exist until later in the year, and
B. Lipton never uses one. He jumps into Normandy with a Thompson which he loses. Briefly carries a Mp-40 which he swaps for an M1A1 carbine which hes uses for the rest of the fighting in France, and swaps for a Garand which he uses till he gets a battlefield commision, and switches back to a carbine.
Wrong: Lipton is seen doing something (something involving the magazine) with a Greasegun when they prepare the jump in part 1
Winters' Garand
Towards the end of the book Winters mentioned how his Garand had been modified for full auto fire and that the sergeant who had accomplished the feat had since forgotten how he managed the mod to the weapon. I did question the practicality of it since, with the 8 round en bloc mag...you would empty the weapon in 2 seconds if that.--Charon68 02:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
That thing would be a monster in close quarters, although its size and kick might hamper it. But I agree, that would be quite impractical. Was he said to use that same Garand throughout his tour in the book?
That's weird, never heard of that. So it would basically be a BAR with only 8 rounds. Why didn't he just swap his Garand for a BAR?
I wouldn't worry about it as I think the OP got the wrong end of the stick as the modifications were carried out by Forrest Guth on M1 Carbines, not Garand rifles. There is a chapter in Buck Comptons memoirs about the Normandy drop where he laments the fact that when he lost his leg bag he lost his full automatic M1 carbine. Just FYI, there was a trick that soldier did with the M1 Garand to make it temporarily fully auto(ish) involving a shoestring. --commando552 11:52, 25 August 2012 (CDT)
Stug III / Stug IV
that Assault Gun, which is hit by the Bazooka is not a StuG IV, its a StuG III
Which was built on the hull of a FV432 APC. It doesn't look quite right to someone who knows WW2 armour, but it is a very good look-a-like. Much better than the T-34s dressed up as Tigers in Kelly's Heroes and Saving Private Ryan. And the Marder mobile AT gun looks very good too.
Why is the Thompson only seen with the 30rd mag attached altough many soldiers, such as Martin, Lipton or Welch, are seen carrying the 5 cell pouch for 20rd magazines? Same in Saving Private Ryan. The used some 20rd Magazines in The Pacific though
We also never see any M1928 Thompsons, despite photographic evidence of Speirs with an M1928. --Maxman (talk) 18:51, 12 November 2016 (EST)
Mortars
Due to a lack of BoB on my computer, i'd like to ask you one thing.
In parts 3, 5, and 7 the mortar (I'm not sure wether it is an M1 or an M2) is clearly used. But, as a matter of fact, I don't see any picture of it on this page. Maybe an idea to poston the page?
Greetings from Holland --Wouter98 10:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Lighters
When the soldier puts the lighter to the sight on his M1 Garand, how would darkening the sight help with the weapon and does it make a significant difference? --MarineCorps1 20:43, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
@MarineCorps1
The soldier isn't darkening the sight, he's just burning the dirt away from it ;) --Wouter98 12:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
I always thought he was burning it so it blackened and wouldn't glint in any light during the night time mission? --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 01:59, 14 June 2015 (GMT)
Richard "Dick" Winters
I just heard that Richard "Dick" Winters passed away on January 2,2011. May his soul rest in peace for everything he did for Easy Company 506th of the 101st Airborne. --MarineCorps1 21:34, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
A true hero. Rest In Peace, Major. --Crackshot 23:56, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
M1 or M9 Bazooka?
Although throughout the series it does not appear much, but may I know which is better, as in comparing of its power, weight, penetration, explosion radius and accuracy. Which is a better choice of equipment during the war? - S9771773G 10:40, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, the M9, being as it was just generally better than the M1A1. Reinforced tube, optical sight, a more powerful rocket, etc. Evil Tim 05:51, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
Walther PPK appearance?
In episode 4, Easy Company meet up with a Dutch Resistance Member who appears to have a handgun stuffed down his trousers, ironically at such an angle that if it misfires, he won't be able to have 'kinderen'. Judging by the grip, and the fact that it was used by many resistance groups in WWII, it's probably a Walther PPK. Can anyone confirm?
Sobel, his 1911, and firearm safety.
Watching episode 1, it's interesting how Sobel's use and handling of his 1911 sidearm provides further indication of his poor suitability for field command. Of the junior officers, only Sobel does not carry a shoulder weapon of some type; all the others carry a Garand, carbine, or Thompson in addition to their sidearm. Furthermore, though Sobel is never seen firing his .45, his finger seems to always be on the trigger whenever he has it in hand, including while running with it and - in a particularly glaring example of poor safety habits - when he points it at his men while selecting "wounded" during a training exercise. Guy Incognito 20:30, 16 October 2013 (EDT)
My review of Band Of Brothers
★★★★★
Epic! Breathtaking! Emotional! Thrilling! These are just some of the words that I would use to describe the 10 part HBO mini series Band Of Brothers. Executive Produced by Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks Band Of Brothers follows the story of the men in the 101st Airborne Division, Easy Company from their initial training, through to the end of the war. This incredible series has an ensemble cast of fantastic actors, each of whom brings something totally different to the story. It's hard to describe this in terms of episodes for me because I usually end up watching the whole series in 1 or 2 sittings, so to me it feels like one huge 11 hour movie.
The series' look takes it's cue from Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan, and it is equally as brutal, if not more brutal than that film. The special effects look fantastic, with genius techniques used to capture the look and feel of battle. They used compressed air blowing dirt and other things out of a cone for a lot of the explosions which meant they could safely have actors and stuntmen standing right on top of a blast when it went off. These techniques keep you fully lodged into the reality of the battles as there is no obvious moment where an explosion is no where near the actor or it has been added in post production. The sound design as well is particularly fantastic as it manages to make you feel like you are in the middle of the battle, especially if viewed on a surround sound system where the sounds of the battle are literally coming at you from all angles. The music in the series is simply outstanding, Michael Kamen truly excelled himself with the score, the opening theme alone is a stunning piece of work. The CGI used for the most part is impressive, the paradrop sequence for the Market Garden operation looks awe inspiring, the only piece of bad CGI I noticed was the blue screen used for the first paradrop where it follows Dick Winters on his first combat jump, although this is totally forgiveable as blue screen was still relatively new to TV productions back in 2001 and because it is only this short sequence that really stands out it doesn't ruin the whole experience.
Damien Lewis gives an utterly convincing and quite frankly incredible performance as Lt./Capt./Major Dick Winters, he manages to portray the changes that the character goes through because of his experiences perfectly, there is no overacting on his part and no melodrama. The subtleties to his performance make it all the more convincing. Because this is an ensemble piece it would take far too long to go through each individual character as there are about 20 in total so what I will say about them as a group is that each actor and character brings a different level to this series, their portrayals add an extra depth to the story, and give a bigger reality to the events, not only as viewers do we know that the events we are witnessing really happened but through the actors performances we believe that what we are seeing is what actually happened. Their performances invoked more emotional responses from me than any weepy dreary movie has ever done. The sequence in Part 9 at the Concentration Camp almost moved me to tears when Liebgott had to tell the Jews they found that they were had to remain in the camps whilst appropriate care was provided. Where the reactions of the people in the camps was moving, I found Ross McCall's performance to be the most emotionally impacting moment of the scene. My favourite character was probably George Luz portrayed by Rick Gomez. Gomez's character seems to be the comic relief of the group for when it is needed but that doesn't mean that he spends his time cracking jokes all the time, only about 10% of his screen time is taken up with the moments of comedy, and most of them involve impressions of officers, in the first episode there is an incredibly funny moment on a training exercise involving Luz.
What makes this series stand apart from a lot of other war films or series is that at the start of every episode there would be interviews with surviving members of the real Easy Company, I think that these short interviews help to build up the realism and they help us to connect with the characters in the series, you can't help but feel something when you see these old men remembering their lost friends and almost crying just because of their memories. It helps to add an emotional connection between the viewer and the series as you are seeing how these events affected these men and when you see something that was talked about in one of the interviews it makes a bigger impact.
To sum up, if you are a fan of war movies and haven't seen this then it should go to the top of your list of things to watch. From a film maker's stand point this is a how to manual on creating the perfect war story. --cool-breeze 07:34, 3 March 2012 (CST)
Too many words, but +1 to 5 star rating and last sentence.--Crazycrankle (talk) 00:27, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
M1917?
Anybody else think this rifle ID'd as an M1917 is just the same Springfield M1903 that is used used at other points in "Carentan"?
The front sight looks more like an M1903 than and M1917 to me, plus it is more likely that it will be a rifle that appears in other scenes rather than just randomly something else. --commando552 (talk) 20:17, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
The original one I posted, while blurry, seems to show that it shows the P17's iron sights better, you can tell there are opened holes in the front sight, something none of the Springfield rifles had, plus on close examination, the rifle has a longer exposed barrel than the Springfield. It's barely noticable, but, zoom in on both pictures to see ----Bosoxboy521 (talk) 22:27, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
I added a closeup shot. Is it possible it's a SMLE? It would seem more likely since that rifle was seen later in the episode. --Ben41 (talk) 03:44, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
No, the barrel band is wrong for a No.4 Mk.1 and the sight would be farther back right up against the cap. From the general design of the barrel band, it is either (and I'm just narrowing down to the more likely possibilities here) an M1903 or an M1917:Error creating thumbnail: File missingM1917Error creating thumbnail: File missingM1903A3The only parts that are visible really are the front sight and the barrel band, so these are the only parts I will talk about. On the M1917, the front and rear of the front sight are vertical and parallel. On the show gun the front is vertical, but the back has a general sort of sloped profile to it, suggesting that it is an M1903A3. As for the barrel band, on the top of it there is a distinct step at the back which is more indicative of the M1903A3 one. Also, if you look at the bottom edge you will see that there are two distinct parts to the bayonet lug and there is a sling swivel behind it (directly under the stepped portion at the back) making it a match for the M1903A3. I don't know if this secondary part to the bayonet lug is actually anything to with the bayonet, but whatever it is, it is indicative not only of an M1903A3 over and M1917, but also over an original M1903. --commando552 (talk) 05:04, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
My apologies, I looked back and it is an M1903A3. In fact, Alton Moore carries it in Carentan, but drops it to help Smokey feed the gun and switches over to an M1 Garand with a rifle grenade --Bosoxboy521 (talk) 16:22, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
More Weapons Needed
Someone needs to add the 105 Gebirgshaubitze cannons from Brecourt Manor and the 88mm cannons from Foy to the German Heavy Weapons section. I would, however, I am not too sure how to upload photos on this site. It seems very difficult. If someone knows how, please tell me how.
On the left, you should see "Upload file" under toolbox. Select the source file at top (or you can click and drag) and add the appropriate tags below it. Then click "Upload file". --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2015 (EDT)
Black B.A.R
In the episode, "The Last Patrol" I believe Sgt. Martin hands off a black painted B.A.R to a soldier as he walks into a room. That same soldier (the one who received the B.A.R) is also one of the men who's boat flips over. On Martin's actor's page it is listed that he used/held a B.A.R but we do not have a picture of this. Majorcamo (talk) 20:44, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
Vehicle Section
Is there anyone who could upload some pictures of the tanks and such as some of them are really unique i.e the Jagdpanther, Stugs, ands Marders. Majorcamo (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
The revolver sent from home that's still described as a New Service is a small-framed Colt, probably a Police Positive. The New Service is a really big gun, and the trooper has his hand wrapped almost completely around the frame. Even if the gun's small size is not enough, the shape of the frame forward of the trigger guard is not New Service.
First, mark your posts RickB, second I don't think it's a Police Positive. Yes, the New Service is a pretty big revolver, but it's not impossible for it to be that size. The barrel seems to be too big to be a standard Police Positive caliber. What I guess is that the revolver is a Colt New Service in .38 Special, much easier to get for a US GI going into Europe, and a lot easier than a Police Positive in .38 S&W. -- PaperCake 14:11, 2 February 2016 (EST)
The New Service is comparable to the S&W Hand Ejector Mk II, and I can hold mine almost identically to how he holds that Colt. Although I'd think a New Service in .45 ACP would be more likely to be approved than one in .357. --Maxman (talk) 18:56, 12 November 2016 (EST)
Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "mark my posts"? If you watch episode three, in the scene where Talbert is bayoneted, he's using the revolver to rap on a sleeping trooper's helmet, and you can see that the inside of the trigger guard is oval; the New Service trigger guard isn't oval on the inside. That, and, again, it's not big enough to be a New Service. Not trying to be difficult, but am interested in the info being correct.
He means to sign your posts, which is done by either pressing the "Signature and timestamp" button at the top of the edit window (looks like a pencil doing a signature), or by just typing in ~~~~. This way it signs your name, links to your talk page and puts in a timestamp. --commando552 (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2016 (EST)
Thanks.--RickB (talk) 17:01, 28 February 2016 (EST)
German Heavy Weapons
I got some screencaps of the Gebirgshaubitze and the Flak 88 that I would add to the page. Can anyone identify the type of the Flak 88 canon (Flak 36 or 37?)--HighPhigh (talk) 07:35, 7 February 2016 (EST)
10.5 cm Gebirgshaubitze 40
In "Day of Days" (Ep.2), four 10.5 cm Gebirgshaubitze 40 Howitzers are in the German artillery position at Brecourt Manor.
I just moved the C96 to the Allied section, since, whereas the Luger is explicitly captured from Axis forces, there is no indication that is the case here and given his actions, he's definitely not Milice/Vichy France. --Maxman (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2016 (EST)
Unknown revolver (?)
In episode 6 when the officer is telling the troops about the "nuts!" response to the German request for surrender, you can see that he has an unknown sidearm, possibly a revolver. It's only seen very briefly but it appears to have either stag, bone or ivory grips. It definitely isn't a standard issue 1911. Clip is here edit: I don't know about the real officer but could this possibly be a reference to Patton? I know he carried several revolvers with somewhat decorative grips --Slemke1998 (talk) 22:50, 1 January 2018 (EST)
Its definitely a 1911 of some sort, but not sure if it is an A1 or not. Here is a hi-res promo image (I think from crossroads but not 100%) that shows the bottom of the grip. My guess is that it is an original M1911 rather than an A1 as it looks to have the straight backstrap, but can't really tell for sure. --commando552 (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2018 (EST)
Yeah, you're right, sorry I didn't notice the grips until the Bastonge episode and like I said, it was a brief glimpse then. Seems odd that they've given a somewhat custom pistol to a character who never draws or uses it --Slemke1998 (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2018 (EST)
It was not uncommon for more senior officers to carry their own customised or personal sidearms in WW2. As for why they did it, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the choice of the actor. That is Dale Dye who was also one of the military advisors for the series. --commando552 (talk) 17:11, 2 January 2018 (EST)
