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Could someone identify the automatic weapons used in the final shootout in the sinking building.

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Response from Anonymous: Two of Gettler's thugs are using H&K UMP.45s with laser scopes and silencers. They are clearly UMP.45s due to their forward handgrip and straightened clip.

UMP40s also have straight mags and you can put a forward handgrip on almost any submachine gun with rails. I'm not saying they're not UMP45s, but if that's all you're basing that on... -Funkychinaman

Tsk, Tsk, Magazine. A clip loads a magazine. A bolt action rifle like a Mauser 98 has an internal magazine which you load with a clip, or stripper clip in this manner. Now, if you refer to a magazine as a "clip", that would mean you would be loading a clip with a clip. ?? Now you can't load a clip with a clip because then you'd be smacking to en-blocs or stripper clips together like an idiot. And you can't load a magazine with a magazine, that also proves to be a problem. But you can load a magazine with a clip. See the confusion in using improper designation? -GM

Also, I really get sick of editing pages to replace the word "silencer" with "suppressor". -MT2008

To be fair several suppressor/sliencer manufactuters use the term "silencer" to describe there product, such as YHM, AAC, AWC, Gemtech, KAC and HTG. Also while speakaing with various employees of the said companies at the SHOT Shows, they often use the term "silencer". Gunner313

The original inventor of the gun suppressor/moderator, Hiram Percy Maxim (son of the Maxim gun's inventor), personally named and advertised the devices as the "Maxim Silencer". He also invented and popularized vehicle mufflers using that name as well. Some vehicles, like snowmobiles, even still use the Maxim silencer terminology (as well as calling them "cans" for short) when referring to their mufflers. Plus there are companies like SilencerCo which use the term. Lastly, plenty of US military documentation uses the term "Silencer" as the formal term for the devices too. --Dark 2023

It can be either, i use suppressor but some of my friends prefere silencer, its like slang really. Also in ww2 they managed to create a pistol which couldn't be heard by humans, it didn't have a barrel just a built in suppressor which was pretty long, you had to be standing very close to the target to hit it but worked. statichunter

I think the point is you can never really fully silence a gun, but you can suppress it. --Predator20 05:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

To silence a gun 100% I would think is nearly impossible, but to lower the noise of the shot to below human hearing is probably feasible, but not practical. The "silencer" would be so large that the gun would be extremely barrel heavy, and the bullet would have to be subsonic prior to exiting said silencer. All these limit the gun's effectiveness, and lets face it, the point of a suppressor is to attract less attention to yourself when firing. At the range you'd be limited to, you might as well be holding a sign above your head saying, "I have a silenced gun!" At least that's what I think. Anyone care to comment? -Tal379

I wasn't talking about the definition of "silencer". But on the note of a " silencer". Example; on a two stroke motocross bike the rear portion of the exhuast is called the silencer and the front part the expansion chamber. No the silencer doesn't completey muffle the sound, it just reduces it. Yes it would make sense to only call it a muffler, but many words used to describe a product do not describe what it actually does. One last example off the top of my head refering to what an item does; ram air induction on a production vehicle doesn't ram air into the engine, it simple allows an easier path and an adaquate amount of air to reach the air/fuel mixture area. But it is still called ram air. You can't take the word "silencer" or any other name of a product and expect it to be an accurate representation of what the product does, it is just a name. Gunner313

Gunner. The ram air effect that you says doesn't do anything, on a 600cc motorcycle the ram air effect at speed can increase the engines power by as much as 8-10%, compared to what it has when stationary. So it does RAM air into the air box. How do you think the Ram Jet engine on the SR-71 Blackhawk works? Rob the Fiend

I think you folks are confusing an acronym for a verb. In both wheeled vehicles and jet engines RAM stands for "Rapid Air Mixture". RAMjets DO need to keep moving forward to force air into them but that isn't why they're called that. Lastly, the SR-71 uses a hybrid SCRAMjet type engine. In that terminology the S for "supersonic" helps draw attention to the acronym used. --Dark2023

What does bond do when he's putting away his P99? it seems like he decocks just before he puts it aways yet this gun is a DAO and lacks a decocker from what i can see. what is he doing exactly? --FIVETWOSEVEN 20:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

@FIVETWOSEVEN: you´re talking about the Prague scene? well he is just decocking it, they´re several variants of the P99 and Bond is using the P99 AS (Anti-stress version) which has a decocker on the slide...

Bond is not using the P99 AS in this movie; he's using the first-generation (1990s) production model, the oldest version. He isn't actually decocking it; the foley editor just inserts the sound of the gun being decocked. Sound editors tend to be ignorant about how guns work, which is why you often "hear" actors cocking non-existent "hammers" on Glocks and other such pistols in movies whenever they're drawn. This is the same case. -MT2008 23:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

That´s right, he is using the first generation P99, and Walther changed the name of the current production P99 to P99 AS (that´s why I used the term "Anti-Stress"). But the technics (single/double action trigger) are the same on both weapons, and as a owner of a first generation P99 I can say that there is a decocker on the frame. And Bond is obviously using it as he puts his thumb exactly on the position of the decocking button and presses it down, which makes sense to carry his gun safe after using it. If you watch the scene in slow-motion, you´ll recognize it! -REAPER 04 February 2010

A P99 from the movie was photographed and uploaded here. If you look at the left side view, just in front of the rear sights, you can see the decocker button. --Crazycrankle 23:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Not only that but if you look at the trailer at 25 seconds you can see the trigger moving from cocked to decocked. --cool-breeze 10:16, 27 January 2012 (CST)

the unknown pistol looks like a H&K USP or Mk23 to me

Unknown Pistol

I'm pretty sure the unknown pistol used by Mr White is a suppressed Sig Sauer P226

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The gun looks like it has a rounded trigger guard, which rules out the SIG and the HKs. The Wierd It 12:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

OK: so what about a S&W Sigma as seen earlier in the movie.. that has a rounded trigger guard

The Trigger Guard is certainly rounded, and the weapon is FAR too small to be an MK23.--Jackie.45Cal 14:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I am 90% sure that the pistol used by Mr White isn't a SIG-Sauer p230. It looks like a full-sized pistol to me. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a 1911 variant of some sort, but it's pretty much complete speculation, since I was watching the movie on tv and didn't stop to look real close. - TrueBeliever19 00:35, 20 March 2011

Watch the behind the scenes in the special features.. it has a good shot of Mr White from a different angle and the gun can be seen alot clearer. Its definately bigger than a P230 and way smaller than a MK23

Honestly, I have to just go with a Walther PP. Seems fitting for a Bond movie. Bristow8411 15:35, 14 December 2011 (CST)

Mollaka Gun Continutity

I thought Mollaka used a SIG-Sauer P226 from a Picture I saw. Then I read here that it was an H&K USP Compact. I found the Picture again, and I still believe I was right, but the Gun was simply a Continuity Error. IMDB.com Image

sorry buddy but its definately a HK USP Compact in this picture

USP Running Empty

I know you do sometimes see semi auto pistols "clicking" empty in movies, but if it's not a .45, and he fired 8 rounds, wouldn't it simpler to assume it just failed to fire? He only fired 8 shots, wasn't really spraying, and he is a bomb maker as well as a free runner after all; someone who does those two things should be able to tell the difference between 8 and 13/14 rounds. Alex T Snow 05:36, 7 January 2012 (CST)

When you're in a high tension situation running from some forgein person who quite possibly wants to kill you i doubt that you would be counting your bullets my friend. (statichunter 2012)

I rewatched the movie last night and found a shot where you can see the front end of the slide, confirming it's a USP .45. I will take screencaps as soon as possible but today is not a good day for that. I will be gone formost of the day. --Yo dawg 111 09:02, 26 February 2012 (CST)

Under stress, it could be possible to accidently ride your thumb on top of the slide release preventing it from locking on the last round. Its used to happen to me when using a high grip on SIGs and Berettas until I altered my grip and pointed my thumb down.

PPK

How are we sure that the PPK used was chambered in 7.65? Its listed but i dont see any evidence to prove it, wouldnt it be better listed as just a PPK? -MissySummers- 18:51, 8 January 2012 (CST)

I think we're assuming that based on the fact Bond's PPK in both the Novel and Film versions of Dr. No and in Goldeneye is namechecked as a 7.65mm. The Wierd It 10:34, 27 January 2012 (CST)

Having owned both the PPK .380 and the PPK/S .32 (7.65) over the years, I have to admit the pistol used by Craig seems to be in .380 based on the shots I've seen. The pistol technically should be a .32, but newer and better condition models are much harder to find blued and in .32 so I believe he most likely uses a .380 in the films now. -IMightBeWrong

Reloading the P99

I removed the comment about reloaing the Walther P99 because I rewatched the movie last night and he doesn't reload, he simply ejects the mag and checks his ammo. I also have to say I am always impressed by Craig's gun handleing in this film, he correctly uses his decocker on the P99 and applies the safety to the Hi-Power. I also noticed correct trigger dicipline on several occasions so goo job to Daniel Craig! I want to mention my theroy on how he had a PPK in Quantum of Solace. He uses a PPK in the opening fight in Casino Royale, so maybe he had it as a backup. He lost the P99 in the last shootout so maybe he didn't have time to get a new P99 in Quantum of Solace. --Yo dawg 111 08:59, 26 February 2012 (CST)

He had time to get a new suit, a new Aston Martin and a suppressed UMP 9 and didn't manage to grab a replacement pistol? I think the new director of Quantum decided to default to a 'safe' weapon choice rather than decide what to arm Bond with. --DeltaOne 19:33, 14 May 2012 (CDT)

I have to agree with Yo dawg, Craig's handeling was in fact rather impressive when he decocks his P99 twice. First time is when after he shot Dryden in the Beginning and when he checks out his new Aston Martin in the hotel parking lot when he takes the P99 out checks the chamber, puts th mag back in and decocks the gun. That's either rare or never seen before in a Bond film. (Noahrussell007) Decocking a gun in that manner is rarely seen in any film. I think the last film I saw an actor use the decocker was in Street King Excalibur01 (talk) 14:03, 27 February 2013 (EST)

Mollaka's USP

The gun he uses is NOT a .45ACP model. Not only is the bore too small, the frame has no extension to accomidate the longer slide and barrel like that of the .45. Watch the movie(at 11m:37s), look at the screenshots, you can clearly see this. It's likely a 9mm, since .40 blank guns are uncommon, but it is NOT a .45!--GLOCK10mm (talk) 02:33, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

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 Response from Anonymous: Two of Gettler's thugs are using H&K UMP.45s with laser scopes and silencers. They are clearly UMP.45s due to their forward handgrip and straightened clip.
+:::UMP40s also have straight mags and you can put a forward handgrip on almost any submachine gun with rails. I'm not saying they're not UMP45s, but if that's all you're basing that on... -Funkychinaman
 :Tsk, Tsk, Magazine. A clip loads a magazine. A bolt action rifle like a Mauser 98 has an internal magazine which you load with a clip, or stripper clip in this manner. Now, if you refer to a magazine as a "clip", that would mean you would be loading a clip with a clip. ?? Now you can't load a clip with a clip because then you'd be smacking to en-blocs or stripper clips together like an idiot. And you can't load a magazine with a magazine, that also proves to be a problem. But you can load a magazine with a clip. See the confusion in using improper designation? -GM
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 To be fair several suppressor/sliencer manufactuters use the term "silencer" to describe there product, such as YHM, AAC, AWC, Gemtech, KAC and HTG. Also while speakaing with various employees of the said companies at the SHOT Shows, they often use the term "silencer". Gunner313
+The original inventor of the gun suppressor/moderator, Hiram Percy Maxim (son of the Maxim gun's inventor), personally named and advertised the devices as the "Maxim Silencer". He also invented and popularized vehicle mufflers using that name as well. Some vehicles, like snowmobiles, even still use the Maxim silencer terminology (as well as calling them "cans" for short) when referring to their mufflers. Plus there are companies like SilencerCo which use the term. Lastly, plenty of US military documentation uses the term "Silencer" as the formal term for the devices too. --Dark 2023
+It can be either, i use suppressor but some of my friends prefere silencer, its like slang really. Also in ww2 they managed to create a pistol which couldn't be heard by humans, it didn't have a barrel just a built in suppressor which was pretty long, you had to be standing very close to the target to hit it but worked. [[User:statichunter|statichunter]]
 :I think the point is you can never really fully silence a gun, but you can suppress it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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 I wasn't talking about the definition of "silencer". But on the note of a " silencer". Example; on a two stroke motocross bike the rear portion of the exhuast is called the silencer and the front part the expansion chamber. No the silencer doesn't completey muffle the sound, it just reduces it. Yes it would make sense to only call it a muffler, but many words used to describe a product do not describe what it actually does. One last example off the top of my head refering to what an item does; ram air induction on a production vehicle doesn't ram air into the engine, it simple allows an easier path and an adaquate amount of air to reach the air/fuel mixture area. But it is still called ram air. You can't take the word "silencer" or any other name of a product and expect it to be an accurate representation of what the product does, it is just a name.  Gunner313
+Gunner. The ram air effect that you says doesn't do anything, on a 600cc motorcycle the ram air effect at speed can increase the engines power by as much as 8-10%, compared to what it has when stationary. So it does RAM air into the air box.
+How do you think the Ram Jet engine on the SR-71 Blackhawk works? Rob the Fiend
+I think you folks are confusing an acronym for a verb. In both wheeled vehicles and jet engines RAM stands for "Rapid Air Mixture". RAMjets DO need to keep moving forward to force air into them but that isn't why they're called that. Lastly, the SR-71 uses a hybrid SCRAMjet type engine. In that terminology the S for "supersonic" helps draw attention to the acronym used. --Dark2023
 What does bond do when he's putting away his P99? it seems like he decocks just before he puts it aways yet this gun is a DAO and lacks a decocker from what i can see. what is he doing exactly?
+--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
+@FIVETWOSEVEN: you´re talking about the Prague scene? well he is just decocking it, they´re several variants of the P99 and Bond is using the P99 AS (Anti-stress version) which has a decocker on the slide...
+:Bond is not using the P99 AS in this movie; he's using the first-generation (1990s) production model, the oldest version.  He isn't actually decocking it; the foley editor just inserts the sound of the gun being decocked.  Sound editors tend to be ignorant about how guns work, which is why you often "hear" actors cocking non-existent "hammers" on Glocks and other such pistols in movies whenever they're drawn.  This is the same case. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
+:That´s right, he is using the first generation P99, and Walther changed the name of the current production P99 to P99 AS (that´s why I used the term "Anti-Stress"). But the technics (single/double action trigger) are the same on both weapons, and as a owner of a first generation P99 I can say that there is a decocker on the frame. And Bond is obviously using it as he puts his thumb exactly on the position of the decocking button and presses it down, which makes sense to carry his gun safe after using it. If you watch the scene in slow-motion, you´ll recognize it! -[[User:REAPER|REAPER]] 04 February 2010
+A P99 from the movie was photographed and uploaded here. If you look at the left side view, just in front of the rear sights, you can see the decocker button. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
+:Not only that but if you look at the trailer at 25 seconds you can see the trigger moving from cocked to decocked. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:16, 27 January 2012 (CST)
+the unknown pistol looks like a H&K USP or Mk23 to me
+==Unknown Pistol==
+I'm pretty sure the unknown pistol used by Mr White is a suppressed Sig Sauer P226
+OK:
+# Sign your posts (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>)
+# The gun looks like it has a rounded trigger guard, which rules out the SIG and the HKs. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
+OK:
+so what about a S&W Sigma as seen earlier in the movie.. that has a rounded trigger guard
+The Trigger Guard is certainly rounded, and the weapon is FAR too small to be an MK23.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
+I am 90% sure that the pistol used by Mr White isn't a SIG-Sauer p230. It looks like a full-sized pistol to me. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a 1911 variant of some sort, but it's pretty much complete speculation, since I was watching the movie on tv and didn't stop to look real close. - [[User:TrueBeliever19|TrueBeliever19]] 00:35, 20 March 2011
+Watch the behind the scenes in the special features.. it has a good shot of Mr White from a different angle and the gun can be seen alot clearer. Its definately bigger than a P230 and way smaller than a MK23
+Honestly, I have to just go with a Walther PP. Seems fitting for a Bond movie. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 15:35, 14 December 2011 (CST)
+== Mollaka Gun Continutity ==
+I thought Mollaka used a SIG-Sauer P226 from a Picture I saw. Then I read here that it was an H&K USP Compact. I found the Picture again, and I still believe I was right, but the Gun was simply a Continuity Error. [http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3639712000/tt0381061 IMDB.com Image]
+sorry buddy but its definately a HK USP Compact in this picture
+== USP Running Empty ==
+I know you do sometimes see semi auto pistols "clicking" empty in movies, but if it's not a .45, and he fired 8 rounds, wouldn't it simpler to assume it just failed to fire? He only fired 8 shots, wasn't really spraying, and he is a bomb maker as well as a free runner after all; someone who does those two things should be able to tell the difference between 8 and 13/14 rounds. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:36, 7 January 2012 (CST)
+When you're in a high tension situation running from some forgein person who quite possibly wants to kill you i doubt that you would be counting your bullets my friend. (statichunter 2012)
+I rewatched the movie last night and found a shot where you can see the front end of the slide, confirming it's a USP .45. I will take screencaps as soon as possible but today is not a good day for that. I will be gone formost of the day. --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 09:02, 26 February 2012 (CST)
+Under stress, it could be possible to accidently ride your thumb on top of the slide release preventing it from locking on the last round. Its used to happen to me when using a high grip on SIGs and Berettas until I altered my grip and pointed my thumb down.
+== PPK ==
+How are we sure that the PPK used was chambered in 7.65? Its listed but i dont see any evidence to prove it, wouldnt it be better listed as just a PPK? -MissySummers- 18:51, 8 January 2012 (CST)
+I think we're assuming that based on the fact Bond's PPK in both the Novel and Film versions of ''[[Dr. No]]'' and in ''[[Goldeneye]]'' is namechecked as a 7.65mm. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:34, 27 January 2012 (CST)
+Having owned both the PPK .380 and the PPK/S .32 (7.65) over the years, I have to admit the pistol used by Craig seems to be in .380 based on the shots I've seen. The pistol technically should be a .32, but newer and better condition models are much harder to find blued and in .32 so I believe he most likely uses a .380 in the films now. -IMightBeWrong
+== Reloading the P99 ==
+I removed the comment about reloaing the [[Walther P99]] because I rewatched the movie last night and he doesn't reload, he simply ejects the mag and checks his ammo. I also have to say I am always impressed by Craig's gun handleing in this film, he correctly uses his decocker on the P99 and applies the safety to the Hi-Power. I also noticed correct trigger dicipline on several occasions so goo job to Daniel Craig! I want to mention my theroy on how he had a PPK in [[Quantum of Solace]]. He uses a PPK in the opening fight in Casino Royale, so maybe he had it as a backup. He lost the P99 in the last shootout so maybe he didn't have time to get a new P99 in Quantum of Solace. --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 08:59, 26 February 2012 (CST)
+He had time to get a new suit, a new Aston Martin and a suppressed UMP 9 and didn't manage to grab a replacement pistol? I think the new director of Quantum decided to default to a 'safe' weapon choice rather than decide what to arm Bond with. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 19:33, 14 May 2012 (CDT)
+I have to agree with Yo dawg, Craig's handeling was in fact rather impressive when he decocks his P99 twice. First time is when after he shot Dryden in the Beginning and when he checks out his new Aston Martin in the hotel parking lot when he takes the P99 out checks the chamber, puts th mag back in and decocks the gun. That's either rare or never seen before in a Bond film.
+(Noahrussell007)
+Decocking a gun in that manner is rarely seen in any film. I think the last film I saw an actor use the decocker was in Street King [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:03, 27 February 2013 (EST)
+==Mollaka's USP==
+The gun he uses is NOT a .45ACP model. Not only is the bore too small, the frame has no extension to accomidate the longer slide and barrel like that of the .45. Watch the movie(at 11m:37s), look at the screenshots, you can clearly see this. It's likely a 9mm, since .40 blank guns are uncommon, but it is NOT a .45!--[[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] ([[User talk:GLOCK10mm|talk]]) 02:33, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

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