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==100 year old guns==
=Additional Images=
: After a 100 years of use, all of those guns would have smooth bores-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Book-of-eli-poster.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|The Book of Eli (2010)]]
::Okay. That comment makes no sense.  We're not talking constant use here.  If that were the case, all my Mosin Nagant M1891s or Gewehr 98s would be smooth bore muskets now would they?  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:26, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
[[File:Jamesgeorgopoulosbookofeliimfdb.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch HK45 (left side) - .45 ACP.  This is the screen-used firearm carried by [[Denzel Washington]] in the film ''[[The Book of Eli]]''.  '''Thanks to [[User:Jimmygcreative|James Georgopoulos]]'''.]]
:::Hope they keep up on maintainance. Although I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few dozen original production AK-47's being used currently, so at the very least, it's conceivable for there to be AK's/Type 56's functioning after a century of use. I don't know about the HK45 though. I doubt its as rugged as the Kalashnikov. [[User:W190009637|W190009637]]


:I'm talking about the gun being used every goddamn day for a hundred years, not being used for a few years then put in a warehouse for the better part of a century or sitting in somebodies collection, only being shot every once in a while. If it were used the way I am talking about, the gun would have exceeded it's service life a couple dozen times-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 23:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
=Discussion=
::How many guns do you know of that were used every '''"''goddamn''"''' day for a 100 years?  That's also a ridiculous scenario. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
== Elderly couple ==
Saw the film last night. The old couple (Martha and George?) use an MP5 and M4 with a foregrip and some kind of scope. No idea what else is in their chest of weapons. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 23:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 
I watched it earlier today, they give meg from family guy a H&K MP7 from the sofa, and michael gambon (the old guy) has a pump action shotgun too, possibly a mariner or a trench gun, i wasnt payin too much attention at the time, fucking chatty bastard kids in the row behind. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 
I just saw this movie yesterday.  I will have to say it was a pretty good film with some kick ass sword fighting and shootout scenes from Denzel.  A very good and unique storyline also.- ArmoredMason619
 
 
is this film like mad max with the bible in it. an meg fromfamily guy is mila kunis. [[user:smish34|smish34]]
 
It's like Mad Max ate Trigun and shit out Borderlands [[Special:Contributions/99.135.186.44|99.135.186.44]]
:And the fornicated with Fallout. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 10:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 
I know she's milla kunis, but to me every time i heard her speak all i could hear in the back of my mind was 'shut up meg!' And this film really is just fallout without the mutant creatures, nice twist at the end though. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 
Eh, the whole thing about the bible put too much importance on religion for my tastes, but I still enjoyed the movie. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


Maybe I'm reading into this wrong, while the film takes place 100 years in the future. The war happened "30 winters ago". So the guns may only be 30 years old, unless I'm reading into the winters thing wrong. One thing I find interesting while Eli's guns are beat to shit. The others don't seem to be, except for the Hi-Power which is probably one of the oldest guns in the movie. Looks like a kick ass film. Of course most of Denzel's films usually do. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
:I dunno, I kinda enjoyed the opposing view points between faith vs. religion. Kinda refreshing seeing something that manages to bash the abuse of religion but still note the importance of faith ''and'' reason.
:That's assuming that the apocalyptic war that killed most of the world's population takes place ... oh... right now!  In the trailer he says it's been 29 years since the end of the war that wiped out most of the people on earth. So the war ends this week or month?  When would a future war happen?  5 years from now?  20 years from now? How long would the war last?  One week?  or ten years? or more? Do you write stories where the apocalypse happens right now?  Since people seem to be fixating on that statement, I'll change it to "really old". This was from 'oral accounts' from people who worked on the film. Who knows?  They may be wrong. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::Eh, it seemed more to me that Carnegie didn't even believe the bible, he just saw that, as I think he put it, 'weak minded fools' would, and he could use it to control them. I dunno, I might just be looking at it too critically. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 10:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
:::But that's my point: Carnegie doesn't really care about the message of the book, he simply intends to use it as a tool. He wants the religion without faith and reason to balance it. I came away from this movie with the distinct impression that it was a pro-faith movie... that still didn't like blindly following what someone else told you is "god's will".


:As pointed out, you could assume even if the gun is really old, constant maintenance will keep it going. Though even after a hundred years of use, I'm sure the barrel or at least some of the small parts would need changing. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:58, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
If you've ever seen The Road, came out around the same time as this it has some eerie similarities and could serve as a prologue to book of eli.  
::I have plenty of 100 year old guns which are just fine and I could take out in the battlefield right now.  Sidearms also have holster wear far more than  barrel wear.  I know of a cop whose duty sidearm was only fired during qualification, but he never (fortunately) fired it in anger during his entire 35 year career, but the gun had a lot of holster wear from pulling it in and out during wear. No one FIRES A GUN for 100 years straight.  I am looking at a pristine Turkish Mauser from 1909.  It is 100 years old.  It looks like it was made yesterday.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


You do need to take into consideration that this is after 100 years of lawlessness in the world, Road Warriors kind of life style. A gun would be used more often in that kind of world than today's world. Well in war zones today, there might be wide uses of firearms. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
===Rifles===
(From the front page):
Looks like the Stock of a M24.


:It would be like the Ak´s in the middle east or Chechenya, being repaired with everything you can find. Also, look at this picture:
Personally I do remember an M1 carbine and what if my memory is correct a Steyr Manlicher sporting rifle. I'll have to look in a couple buyers guides to confirm the make and model. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 07:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
[http://englishrussia.com/images/chechen_weapons/6.jpg: Guerrilla Ak]


This is also assuming that they AMMUNITION to use with the guns to shoot every day with.
A bit of gun trivia. According to Gary Whitta, the film's screenwriter, posting on Tom Jane's message boards, there is a fellow on a rooftop who has the same rifle as Don Johnson in "a boy and his dog" which is one of the Hughes brothers favorite films and was, according to Gary, a big inspiration for this one. -J3


: It wouldn't be surprising that even in the future post end of the world kind of place that anyone can make bullets by reusing brass casings and with the right equipment and gunpowder. Don't know about shotgun shells though. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
===Old Man===
The old man uses a 1897 trench gun. either a Winchester or a Norinco remake.


I read the film is set in 2043, so the guns shouldn't be in too bad of a condition. --[[User:TheManWithNoName|TheManWithNoName]] 20:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I wonder where the old man got the HK MP7. Oh well at least it would be easy to get ammo for! Gunner313
:How would MP7 ammo be more common then any other possible caliber... 9mm, .45ACP, .223, .308, 12ga would all be far more plentiful or any other caliber. That makes no sense. Apologies if your comment is sarcasm --Furious Oyster
::I assume that the old cannibals got their arsenal from people they've killed. The MP7 might have scavenged from a military or police arsenal after the Flash (the Apocalyptic event) by some wasteland wanderer, who then ended up on the anthropophagic couple's menu. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 10:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


:The movie may be set 100 years into the future, but in the trailer Denzels voice over clearly states that "They say the war tore a hole in the sky.  That was 30 years ago. I have been walking ever since." So, whenever the film is set, it is only 30 years since the world got effed.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
: We don't even know how far into the future this is. It could have been 30 years before the movie's story that some US military or police adopted the MP7 into their arsenal and it was picked up by the old couple. I'm just wondering how Carnegie got his hands on an old fashion gattling gun, ammo and magazines, [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Hey E,
You're forgetting that people do make reproduction Gattling Guns. I'm guessing that it was found at the place of some Blackpowder Society member. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 04:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
: Many original Gatling Guns were made in .45-70, which is not an uncommon cartridge but not as available as 9mm, .45ACP, .223, .308, and 12ga. But with a set of reloading dies, not a difficult cartridge to reload for and is fairly economical with propellant powder if you are making Black-Powder-Equivalent loads.


I just saw this movie yesterday. I will have to say it was a pretty good film with some kick ass sword fighting and shootout scenes from Denzel. A very good and unique storyline also.- ArmoredMason619
== Pistols ==
 
I'm pretty sure the main bad guy was using a Browning Hi-Power. It looked like his main henchman used a Berretta 92 at the start of the first shootout in the town. And did anyone recognize Eli's pistol? [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 06:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 
Dude check the main article, the Browning Tutone Beretta and Eli HK45 have all been accounted for --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 07:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 
D'oh! >_<[[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]]
 
Just saw the movie last night and the revolver at the beginning of the movie was definitely a Colt DA revolver of some kind. It had the Colt hard rubber grips with the old style pull release.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 20:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:I was just about to ask about that. If someone could get a screencap, it would be helpful to those who are curios. I mean, currently, the page just states that there's a 'Colt Police Positive. Unknown year likely a 38' somewhere in the movie. I'll edit it so it at least tells what it pertains to. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
That is an early(pre WW1)Colt New Service, perhaps a Model 1909 or a British .455;note the long "tripartite" ejector rod knob typical of those versions of the New Service.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 20:36, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
 
==Trench gun?==
I have NOT seen this movie yet, but the screencap shows a shotgun that is stainless with black synthetic furniture... Forgive me if I'm wrong, but how can anyone claim that this is an original 1897 trench gun?[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:It looks like a Mossberg 500. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


== Elderly couple ==
You should see this movie ASAP! From what I recall it is a 1897, may not be original but it is one.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Saw the film last night. The old couple (Martha and George?) use an MP5 and M4 with a foregrip and some kind of scope. No idea what else is in their chest of weapons. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 23:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


I watched it earlier today, they give meg from family guy a H&K MP7 from the sofa, and michael gambon (the old guy) has a pump action shotgun too, possibly a mariner, i wasnt payin too much attention at the time, fucking chatty bastard kids in the row behind. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I just watched the movie again, and looked at the screenshots on the page.  The shotgun George is holding is indeed a Model 1897, but it is missing the bayonet lug that would qualify it as a Trench, at least from the angles I was checking.  That would make it a Riot version, not a Trench.  I'm not entirely sure about whether it has a heat shield either.

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The Book of Eli (2010)
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Heckler & Koch HK45 (left side) - .45 ACP. This is the screen-used firearm carried by Denzel Washington in the film The Book of Eli. Thanks to James Georgopoulos.

Discussion

Elderly couple

Saw the film last night. The old couple (Martha and George?) use an MP5 and M4 with a foregrip and some kind of scope. No idea what else is in their chest of weapons. --24.63.181.248 23:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I watched it earlier today, they give meg from family guy a H&K MP7 from the sofa, and michael gambon (the old guy) has a pump action shotgun too, possibly a mariner or a trench gun, i wasnt payin too much attention at the time, fucking chatty bastard kids in the row behind. --Captain Snikt 04:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I just saw this movie yesterday. I will have to say it was a pretty good film with some kick ass sword fighting and shootout scenes from Denzel. A very good and unique storyline also.- ArmoredMason619


is this film like mad max with the bible in it. an meg fromfamily guy is mila kunis. smish34

It's like Mad Max ate Trigun and shit out Borderlands 99.135.186.44

And the fornicated with Fallout. Acora 10:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I know she's milla kunis, but to me every time i heard her speak all i could hear in the back of my mind was 'shut up meg!' And this film really is just fallout without the mutant creatures, nice twist at the end though. --Captain Snikt 01:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Eh, the whole thing about the bible put too much importance on religion for my tastes, but I still enjoyed the movie. Acora 05:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I dunno, I kinda enjoyed the opposing view points between faith vs. religion. Kinda refreshing seeing something that manages to bash the abuse of religion but still note the importance of faith and reason.
Eh, it seemed more to me that Carnegie didn't even believe the bible, he just saw that, as I think he put it, 'weak minded fools' would, and he could use it to control them. I dunno, I might just be looking at it too critically. Acora 10:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
But that's my point: Carnegie doesn't really care about the message of the book, he simply intends to use it as a tool. He wants the religion without faith and reason to balance it. I came away from this movie with the distinct impression that it was a pro-faith movie... that still didn't like blindly following what someone else told you is "god's will".

If you've ever seen The Road, came out around the same time as this it has some eerie similarities and could serve as a prologue to book of eli.

Rifles

(From the front page): Looks like the Stock of a M24.

Personally I do remember an M1 carbine and what if my memory is correct a Steyr Manlicher sporting rifle. I'll have to look in a couple buyers guides to confirm the make and model. Rockwolf66 07:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

A bit of gun trivia. According to Gary Whitta, the film's screenwriter, posting on Tom Jane's message boards, there is a fellow on a rooftop who has the same rifle as Don Johnson in "a boy and his dog" which is one of the Hughes brothers favorite films and was, according to Gary, a big inspiration for this one. -J3

Old Man

The old man uses a 1897 trench gun. either a Winchester or a Norinco remake.

I wonder where the old man got the HK MP7. Oh well at least it would be easy to get ammo for! Gunner313

How would MP7 ammo be more common then any other possible caliber... 9mm, .45ACP, .223, .308, 12ga would all be far more plentiful or any other caliber. That makes no sense. Apologies if your comment is sarcasm --Furious Oyster
I assume that the old cannibals got their arsenal from people they've killed. The MP7 might have scavenged from a military or police arsenal after the Flash (the Apocalyptic event) by some wasteland wanderer, who then ended up on the anthropophagic couple's menu. Atypicaloracle 10:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
We don't even know how far into the future this is. It could have been 30 years before the movie's story that some US military or police adopted the MP7 into their arsenal and it was picked up by the old couple. I'm just wondering how Carnegie got his hands on an old fashion gattling gun, ammo and magazines, Excalibur01 03:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey E, You're forgetting that people do make reproduction Gattling Guns. I'm guessing that it was found at the place of some Blackpowder Society member. Rockwolf66 04:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Many original Gatling Guns were made in .45-70, which is not an uncommon cartridge but not as available as 9mm, .45ACP, .223, .308, and 12ga. But with a set of reloading dies, not a difficult cartridge to reload for and is fairly economical with propellant powder if you are making Black-Powder-Equivalent loads.

Pistols

I'm pretty sure the main bad guy was using a Browning Hi-Power. It looked like his main henchman used a Berretta 92 at the start of the first shootout in the town. And did anyone recognize Eli's pistol? Mandaloin 06:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Dude check the main article, the Browning Tutone Beretta and Eli HK45 have all been accounted for --Captain Snikt 07:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

D'oh! >_<Mandaloin

Just saw the movie last night and the revolver at the beginning of the movie was definitely a Colt DA revolver of some kind. It had the Colt hard rubber grips with the old style pull release.96.32.185.136 20:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I was just about to ask about that. If someone could get a screencap, it would be helpful to those who are curios. I mean, currently, the page just states that there's a 'Colt Police Positive. Unknown year likely a 38' somewhere in the movie. I'll edit it so it at least tells what it pertains to. Acora 05:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

That is an early(pre WW1)Colt New Service, perhaps a Model 1909 or a British .455;note the long "tripartite" ejector rod knob typical of those versions of the New Service.--Tecolote (talk) 20:36, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

Trench gun?

I have NOT seen this movie yet, but the screencap shows a shotgun that is stainless with black synthetic furniture... Forgive me if I'm wrong, but how can anyone claim that this is an original 1897 trench gun?MoviePropMaster2008 22:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

It looks like a Mossberg 500. --funkychinaman 16:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

You should see this movie ASAP! From what I recall it is a 1897, may not be original but it is one.--FIVETWOSEVEN 16:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I just watched the movie again, and looked at the screenshots on the page. The shotgun George is holding is indeed a Model 1897, but it is missing the bayonet lug that would qualify it as a Trench, at least from the angles I was checking. That would make it a Riot version, not a Trench. I'm not entirely sure about whether it has a heat shield either.

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