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Console Command Weapons

Sa vz. 61 Skorpion

The Sa vz. 61 Skorpion can be used in the mission "Team Player" via the console command "give skorpion". Its model, animations and sounds are the same as those in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

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Sa vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP

The cheated-in Skorpion in first-person...

Heckler & Koch G36C

The Heckler & Koch G36C can be used on the PC version in the Special Ops mission "Suspension," by using the dev console command "give g36c_reflex". While the in-world model has a reflex sight and a front sight, the player model has neither. When aiming, the player character simply moves the gun to the center of the screen, aiming along the rail through a non-existent reflex sight. The model, sounds, and most of its animations are from the G36C in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

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Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm NATO

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The G36C in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.

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"Aiming" the G36C.

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The soldier about to throw the G36C's magazine.

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The soldier pulling the charging handle.

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Third person model of the G36C. Note the red dot sight, which is gone when picking up the gun.

Remington Model 700P

The Remington 700P can be used in the mission "Of Their Own Accord" via the console command "give remington700". The model, animations. and sounds are exactly the same as Call of Duty 4's.

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Remington Model 700P LTR - 7.62x51mm NATO

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The Remington Model 700P in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands. Of note that this level is not "Of Their Own Accord"; additionally, the French text near the center of the image is prompting the player to use an M203 which they rather clearly do not have.

M40A3

The M40A3 can be used in the singleplayer mission "Of Their Own Accord" via the console command "give m40a3". Just like the Remington 700P, the model, animations, and sounds are the same as Call of Duty 4.

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M40A3 sniper rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO

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The M40A3 in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.

M60E3

The M60E3 is only accessible in the mission "Team Player" through the console command "give m60e4". It appears incorrectly as the "M60E4". The model, sounds, and animations are from Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

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The M60E3 in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.

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The M60E3's ADS.

M249-E2 SAW

The M249 can be used in the Spec Ops mission "Armor Piercing" via the console command "give saw". The model, sounds, and animations are from Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

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M249-E2 machine gun - 5.56x45mm NATO

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Miscellaneous

Blackhawk Tatang

This is the main knife used in-game. It is used as the main melee weapon, the Tactical Knife, and the Throwing knife. The regular knife, The Tactical Knife, an attachment for Handguns which allows faster knife stab and faster recovery. USP .45's Akimbo attachment has the same swing speed as the Tactical Knife, but with the regular recovery speed, and The Throwing Knife, a ranged alternative, available as Equipment.

A custom Tatang engraved with Infinity Ward's logo was gifted to Infinity Ward by The Sea Snipers (the crew responsible for the multiplayer strategy guide of MW2).

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The Blackhawk Tatang as the regular knife.

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The Blackhawk Tatang as the Tactical Knife, paired with the USP .45 in the "Harries Technique" stance.

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A used Throwing Knife A.K.A. Blackhawk Tatang.

Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed

The Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed appears as "Combat Knife" and is used by Soap to kill Shepherd.

Cold Steel GI Tanto

A Cold Steel GI Tanto blade affixed to a Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed grip is used by Soap to kill Shepherd in the Remaster.

Mk 3 Navy Seal Diving Knife

Two crossed Mk 3 Navy Seal Diving knives are depicted in the "Commando" perk icon.

Mark 82 Bomb

Mark 82 Bombs are dropped by the B-2 Spirit as part of the "Stealth Bomber" killstreak.

Attachments

Red Dot Sight

The Red Dot Sight is a fictionalized depiction of Docter style red dots with a battery compartment similar to Burris Fastfire 3. In reality, these are relatively small micro-style sights as they are intended for handguns, however, the game's depiction is enlarged as to pass for a regular red dot. Additionally, in the Remaster, it has the turn on/off switch from the Burris Fastfire 2 and a battery compartment similar to Vortex Venom red dot.

Equipping the Red Dot Sight on the F2000 in multiplayer will replace it with the F2000's factory 1.6x optical sight. This sight does not offer any extra zoom benefits when compared to the standard sight, and uses an incorrect red dot reticle; the correct reticle is seen in the remaster. F2000s with the factory sight can be found in the campaign alongside versions with the default red dot, referred to as a scope.

Holographic Sight

The EOTech 551 (distinguishable from the 511 model due to the presence of a night vision mode button on the control panel of the 551) appears as the "Holographic Sight". However, the two knobs found on the right sight of the real sight are incorrectly depicted on the left side in-game. It's also depicted without a protective shroud like the earlier Bushnell holosights.

Thermal Scope

The Thermal Scope is visually based on night vision devices such as the AN/PVS-14 or the Armasight Spark Multi-purpose night vision monocular, but functionally it works like a thermal scope. Night vision scopes usually don't have thermal capabilities and can't work during day time.

ACOG

The standard ACOG model is based on the Trijicon ACOG 4x32 ECOS. It is likely based on an airsoft model due to the use of the Trijicon TA51 mount instead of the ECOS' proprietary scope mount. The in-game model lacks the back up red dot sight, and the BUIS is mounted backward and modeled taller to accommodate for the lack of the red dot mount.

The L86A1 uses the SUSAT scope when equipped with an ACOG.

Swarovski Scope

The AUG A2 in the campaign uses a fictional rail-mounted Swarovski scope from the AUG A1. The AUG A3 in the remaster replaces this with a proper A1 Swarovski scope.

Heartbeat Sensor

The Heartbeat Sensor is a fictional device inspired by the M314 Motion Tracker from the Alien franchise.

Discussion

MP5K or PDW?

Y'know, if you take a look at the MP5K's barrel, it actually extends out PAST the front sight post. Wouldn't this make it a PDW sans Folding Stock? GamerfreakB7

An MP5K PDW is just an MP5K with a folding stock, so I think it's labeled correctly. The extended barrel is just there to mount a suppressor (as does happen in the game) and can be put on any MP5K. Spartan198 10:55, 16 November 2011 (CST)

Not it isn't, regular MP5K doesn't have the lugged/extended barrel. The only production MP5K variant with barrel lugs and no stock is the MP5K-N (picture labelled on the MP5 page as an MP5KN is not it, that is just an MP5K with Navy trigger group). However, as the name implies it should have a Navy trigger group, and as this has an SEF one, then this gun is an MP5K fitted with the barrel from an MP5K-N/MP5K-PDW. Also when optics are fitted technically it turns into an MP5KA1, as the rear sight can't be removed from a regular MP5K like they are on this gun. --commando552 11:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

Question about apparel?

What kind of Jacket is Roach and Ghost wereing during loose ends? I'v seen jackets like the Condor Sierra Fleece but it doesn't come in gray. Heres an example

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The closest thing to it I'm aware of is a TAD Ranger Hoodie. I think the one in the game is either an earlier generation, or messed around with slightly. --commando552 04:16, 18 November 2011 (CST)

Thanks man :)---P226 12:37, 19 November 2011 (CST)

That's an expensive hoodie, but I've heard they're really well built. --DeltaOne 15:21, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

Name Change

I suggest we change the name from Modern Warfare 2 to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, as MW3's page is called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3.Sith Venator 18:55, 20 November 2011 (CST)

Agree. --RaNgeR 03:30, 21 November 2011 (CST)

It's also the title listed on IMDB. Done. Evil Tim 03:39, 21 November 2011 (CST)

It was about time to move the page. In the past it was suggested like 10 times. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 04:20, 21 November 2011 (CST)

'M4 Carbine' Barrel

The barrel of the M4 in game has no step down for the M203 so does that noot make it the AR-15A3 like in CoD4? EoghanG93 14:04 29/05/2012

Ranger's Standard Issue Rifle

On the main page, it says that the M16A4 is depicted as their standard issue, but it's actually the FN SCAR-H. It is often the default starting weapon for Pvt. Ramirez on campaign missions (M4A1 if not), and is also used by the other members of Hunter Two-One (such as Cpl. Dunn and Sgt. Foley). Finally, it can most often than not be picked up off of fallen Rangers during the campaign. The M16A4, by contrast, is not used by Hunter Two-One, and only really starts to show up in the last few US campaign missions (the ones in Washington D. C.) where it can be picked up in the first-aid bunker or retrieved off of fallen allies. --Ultimagameboy 10:54, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

When it says the M16A4 is their standard issue weapon, it means in real life, not in game.Kornflakes89 21:07, 15 July 2012 (CDT)

Except it says that it it is "correctly depicted" as their standard issue weapon, implying it is common in the hands of in-game Rangers (which it is not). Kadorhal (talk) 11:49, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

M4A1

Someone made a note about how the M4A1 was missing some key components. If you look in the multiplayer picture, you can see that there is a forward assist. -Survivalkid21

Custom AK 47

This AK look's exactly like Cyma 028c which is airsoft gun. - Witol96 10:19PM 01.08.2013 UTC +01:00

Not surprising. You know, you'd think that, with the countless millions these games have made to date, the higher ups could spring for some real weapons and accessories to model off of. Adding a little bit of authenticity wouldn't change the core gameplay one bit. Spartan198 (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

Even better, here's what I think is the actual reference model. It has a 74-style gas block, the aforementioned conversion kit, the Crane stock (the in-game model is Crane with VLTOR-like texture), and it even has the front sling ring and IO SCOP0040 mount! The only differences are that the in-game model has a different ACOG model, and a rail cover instead of a folding grip. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 13:04, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

New guns found

I found new guns and i would like to put them in the page.

These guns are: M40A3, M249 SAW, M60E4, H&K G36C.

And i would also add details for the Remington Model 700P.

bonshomme

Maybe you could give us some details? Seems like everything would have been found and IDed by now. Spartan198 (talk) 17:49, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

He's referring to weapons that were scrapped or can only be seen with the "noclip" PC command.--Mr.Ice (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

I have put these guns on the page. I will try search more scrapped guns in the game. bonshomme (talk) 14:08, 3 March 2013 (EDT)

AUG HBAR

Isn't the weapon in-game the HBAR-T variant? Or maybe this one is semi-auto only or something? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2015 (EDT)

That looks right, though we should have separate entries for the AUG A2 that appears in campaign and then the HBAR-T that appears in multiplayer IMO. AgentGumby (talk) 23:33, 3 December 2015 (EST)

Done. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:16, 6 December 2015 (EST)

We would need caps for the HBAR-T. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:04, 9 December 2015 (EST)

Just to note something, I've recently moved the Steyr AUG HBAR-T entry to the sniper rifles section, because while the original HBAR is an LMG, the HBAR-T is a DMR; if something needs to be corrected in this let me know. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:03, 10 December 2016 (EST)

Actually nevermind, it's used in the DMR role but it's still mechanically an LMG, I guess; I'm moving it back to the MGs section. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:40, 13 March 2017 (EDT)

Regarding the L86A1's drum mag

There's a Chinese drum magazine for 5.56x45mm rifles that holds 110 or 120 rounds (some sources say 110, other say the 120; maybe both are available), and it looks almost identical to L86's drum mag seen in game (as well as the "MG36"'s drum mag from MW3). It could be the basis for the drum mag in-game (which we would mention if it's the case), though I think that the real one is out of stock/production --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:16, 6 December 2015 (EST)

Got any pics of that stuff?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 13:46, 9 December 2015 (EST)

Here and here. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:52, 9 December 2015 (EST)

Wonder if you can go for a nice drum solo on two of those...--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2015 (EST)

Also, a question: it's always incorrect for a revolver to be reloaded like the Python in Black Ops is, right? (holding it muzzle up and dumping rounds instead of using the ejector rod) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:51, 26 December 2015 (EST)

It's likely to result in spent casings not actually coming out since they expand slightly in the chambers from firing stresses in a real gun (it's fine to do with an airsoft revolver, which is probably why you often see it in games). Evil Tim (talk) 08:12, 26 December 2015 (EST)

Alright, so I'll mention this inaccuracy in the concerned pages. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:14, 26 December 2015 (EST)

Machine pistols

Isn't it rather incorrect how the PP-2000 in MW2 and the FMG-9 in MW3 are classed as machine pistols? I think they fall more under submachine guns. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:48, 10 January 2017 (EST)

I think this is getting a little semantic but the phrase "submachine gun" is an American phrase dating back to the Thompson; meanwhile Germans still have been using the maschinenpistole designation since the MP18. I think it's better to leave the page as is rather than come up with potential alternate facts. (Also, I think the FMG9 uses a Glock slide and frame internally, it seems more like a pistol in a micro carbine kit IMO.)--AgentGumby (talk) 14:38, 9 February 2017 (EST)

Plausible Theory on Why the Russian use "Incorrect Guns".

Well, I know that a lot of time passed but please listen. In the first Modern Warfare game a Russian Civil War happened. So maybe the war became a proxy conflict. Western Countries (US,Germany,Belgium,France,Austria,Israel and South Africa for sure, judging from the guns present in all the three games) gave guns to the Loyalist for helping them win the war (this happen in real life look at the Kurds Peshmergas), because they knew that if the Ultranationalist would had won something would happened (like it did it). Italy, considering that in real life is very filo-russian, maybe supplied the Ultranationalist (note that they have the M1014 and Beretta 92 in the first game]]. Eastern European (Poland,Czechia,Slovakia,Hungary,Bulgaria,Romania) guns cannot be seen, despite being common, because their governments didn't wanted to gave their weapons to Russian because of some events named Cold War and Communism. And Israel (CTAR-21) got also the justification that the Ultranationalist helped rogue Middle-Eastern which are Israeli natural enemies. After the Ultranationalist won, they simply took the arsenal and used in the Invasion of US. Also this could explain the commonness of the Vector. TDI looked at the civil war and took the opportunity to sell it to loyalist. This would have helped the buisness. Look realistic and made sense now? --Dannyguns (talk) 09:50, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

A plausible, well-thought-out idea, Danny, but I think that you're putting a fair bit more thought into it than IW did. Still, it does add up. Good thinking. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:16, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

Naw, it's still a little far-fetched since those weapons would require parts and ammunition the Russians didn't make themselves, and their presence would still be dwarfed by the number of Russian weapons in Russia. Evil Tim (talk) 16:13, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

Well, it's not exactly like this would be the first time that the Russians would be doing that; during WWI, they used everything from Arisakas to Vetterlis to Winchesters, after their war minister declared rifles more precious than gold, and they started throwing out requests for guns to literally anyone who'd listen. Granted, the Second Russian Civil War would have to be going pretty damned badly for them to do this, but they did lose, so that could be the case. They still ought to be using more Russian weapons, but it at least makes some sense. (Then again, this is making the rather bold assumption that anything about MW2 was thought through all the way, but it's interesting to theorize nonetheless). Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:26, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

The fact that the Ultranationalists received weaponry from several dealers such as Imran Zakhaev and Alejandro Rojas could be considered as a justification, but still it's obvious that it's merely for gameplay variety that the games included such weapons. I mean, it's ironic that the in-game Russians went and adopted these while also using the out-of-service AK-47s and RPDs in great numbers instead of having the much more appropriate AK-74M, PKM, Saiga 12, Makarov PM, etc. - Gotta love how the MW series think that modern Russian troops use the 7.62x39mm as standard ammunition (I mean, even the thing intended to pass for an AKS-74U is modeled with a 7.62 mag), whereas ironically Black Ops 1 believes that the Spetsnaz used the time-traveling 5.45x39mm ammo in the 1960s. Also, Pyro, Soap's monologue in the intro of "The Gulag" implies that the Ultranationalists did actually win the Second Russian Civil War. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:58, 29 May 2018 (EDT)

Well, your average arms dealer can explain old guns but not advanced new guns like the MG4 which would be supplied only by Nations. If Rojas sold such systems he would stayed in a Villa in Copacabana and not in a Favela. However CoD universe is not our universe despite being similar. Think with their geopolitics when thinking about it, not with ours.--Dannyguns (talk) 02:33, 6 June 2018 (EDT)

As far as I can remember, in the Black Ops, the Cuban police use Soviet [s]shotgun[/s] magazine-fed grenade launcher KS-23 (which for some reason seems to work like an ordinary 12-gauge shotgun) instead the Winchester/Remington/Ithaca, and rides on limousines (!) GAZ-13. COD is clearly not the place where you can find a lot of realism. --Slon95 (talk) 13:29, 29 May 2018 (EDT)

Well, judging from the arsenal that Russian use in MW3 Defiance looks like the Russian had a "all-or-nothing" mentality as they used everything, from SKS to AK-74. They wanted revenge so seems likely that they used everything they got while invading US. --Dannyguns (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

ACR is actually Masada

Magpul themselves state the following in the comments of this video: "Masada is the name of the concept rifle that was released as the ACR. Gen 1 Masadas had the charging handle in the middle of the receiver. Gen 2 Masadas were forward and dual sided. It was not till Gen 3 of the concept that the charging handle looked and operated as current ACR."

What I make out of this is that the photo of the Masada that we have here is gen 1 and the so called gen 3 is actually the Bushmaster/Remington modification. This leads me to the conclusion that the "ACR" in game is actually based on the so called 2nd gen Masada. It has the front sight of Masada, the early handguard, the early Masada charging handle and the forward and ambidextrous charging handle.

The problem is, I can't find a photo of a real gen 2 Masada on the web, it seems like all Masada pictures that cover the gen 2 specifications are just airsoft things. Maybe the devs actually based the in game model on an airsoft gun? --Nanomat (talk) 19:09, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

Finally managed to find a video of the rare 2nd gen Masada in action. Apparently, all Bushmaster did was to take this design and remove the full auto mode. --Nanomat (talk) 17:30, 21 April 2019 (EDT)

Quality Image dump

I'm going to upload some standardized images for the page but I'm kind of short on time to go through and caption all of them, so anyone who cares to do so can take care of it. I'll probably dump them here first.--AgentGumby (talk) 15:00, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

I'm gonna start replacing some of the worse images with these new ones. Good job AgentGumby. --Wuzh (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

He actually did it. The absolute madlad. Here's to AgentGumby, everybody. 3 cheers! Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

Hey AgentGumby, can you tell me how did you make these images showing the right-side of a weapon? --Wuzh (talk) 01:28, 2 November 2018 (EDT)

Basically in the settings you switch the look sensitivity to maximum, and you keep looking at the right during gameplay. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:05, 2 November 2018 (EDT)

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About the cut weapons

I think those should go here on the talk page or in their own section, as they aren't really available at all unless you have a cracked copy of the game AFAIK (you can't get to them on the Steam version at least, or even do things like adjust FoV on that version). Besides, their formatting is rather glaringly bad with ultra widescreen and the rather awkward "spoiler alerts" they originally came with.--AgentGumby (talk) 23:49, 4 November 2018 (EST)

I'm down. I recall some similar images having been removed from the MW3 page in the past due to the fact that they can't be obtained in a legal way, and I guess this also applies here. And ugh... that ugly 4:3 aspect ratio is something that should be forbidden! --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:40, 5 November 2018 (EST)

I agree with AgentGumby’s points. --Wuzh (talk) 13:32, 5 November 2018 (EST)

Comments on the state of the page

Because I don't have MW2 and thus can't really take any images, I just want to make a few suggestions as to what is still needed:

Proper images for the M67 hand grenade and the M18 smoke grenade in first person.
Replacements for all 4:3 images in better aspect ratios (mainly the Mark 19 Mod 3 Automatic Grenade Launcher image and the Browning M2 Machine gun)
A better replacement image to illustrate the old MW1 Deagle model in MW2, replacing this tiny image:

A close-up of CPL Dunn's (voiced by Barry Pepper) Desert Eagle. This and the one on the floor of the panic room in "Exodus" are the Call of Duty 4 models.

Maybe I am asking too much with this one, but maybe we can get higher resolution Create-A-Class images to replace the somewhat dirty ones we have right now.

Also, I want to ask, is this RPD iron sight image the default in-game iron sights or somehow manually adjusted with in-game movements to resolve the misalignment? --Wuzh (talk) 18:35, 8 November 2018 (EST)

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It was adjusted by looking downwards, I just checked in-game. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:52, 24 November 2018 (EST)

Based on the COD wiki image, I think that this image has been given the "shake it hard" treatment to make the sights appear aligned. Can we get a picture of the default non-aligned iron sights? --Wuzh (talk) 23:58, 2 December 2018 (EST)

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Apologies, I'll get some original images and try to post them soon.--AgentGumby (talk) 20:10, 5 December 2018 (EST)

A question for Wuzh

Hi Wuzh,

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be offensive or butthurt or something. I just want to ask you a question and expect your honest answer. Here is my question:

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--Nanomat (talk) 20:13, 7 February 2019 (EST)

Hmm... actually I think you can say that the shape is influenced by the M249 box. The rest of the details (in particular the textures) seem completely different. --Wuzh (talk) 20:48, 7 February 2019 (EST)

Well, the box is basically the same and it is clear that they recycled it from the previous game to cut down efforts of making a new belt/magazine. Even if they changed some textures or minor details that doesn't change the fact that it is based/inspired/whatever on the M249 box. That is important information, imagine if some dude wants to reenact MW2 yeah I know it is wonky thing but he comes here and finds that we call that gun's magazine "fictional" so he becomes depressed because he can't reenact say the No Russian mission while in reality the magazine exists and we could just have stated it. --Nanomat (talk) 20:56, 7 February 2019 (EST)

Uh, OK. I added a mention of the shape of the box being the same as the M249 box in the section. --Wuzh (talk) 21:05, 7 February 2019 (EST)

My line of thinking is that I'm still not satisfied with the description being "a fictional box which has the shape of M249". Dude I can't understand the "fictional" part. You said it youself, it has the shape of M249 box then logically it is an M249 box. What is the point in calling something real "fictional"? Would you define for example the Model 733 with backwards sights from GTA vice city as "fictional rifle which has the general shape of Model 733"? What's the point of all of this and please tell me what details in the "M249 shaped box" are different enough for you to define it as fictional? --Nanomat (talk) 21:21, 7 February 2019 (EST)

Ah, I see, so your problem is ultra realism. If you think that game developers make their guns thinking whether a given magazine fits their caliber you are wrong. For example many guns in COD WW2 had extended mags from other guns like M3 grease gun with luger drum magazine which I'm doubtful it will work in real life. Does this make the luger drum fictional? No. It only makes its use with another weapon it's not intended for fictional or erroneous so if you want to define something as fictional that is the inappropriate usage of the magazine and not the magazine itself. Also there is no need to delete you statements, we are here to debate. --Nanomat (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2019 (EST)

OK then. I guess you're right. Go have it your way. --Wuzh (talk) 21:42, 7 February 2019 (EST)

By the way, can we use that original image of the Vorkuta M249 on the Black Ops page?--AgentGumby (talk) 22:56, 7 February 2019 (EST)

The image is from the COD wiki so I suppose we can't.--Nanomat (talk) 18:27, 8 February 2019 (EST)

Explaining Russian "incorrect" weapons

Like the post before said, this is old, and maybe it's been discussed a lot, but I wanted to ask whether it would be worth pointing out what accurate weapons the Russians would use despite the game's fiction (especially branches such as VDV Paratroopers, who would never carry Armsel Strikers, FN FALs or TAR-21s, no matter what the geopolitics of the game dictate). I'd like to add small notes on certain weapons, if anything, for the sake of clarity (just like the article correctly points out the blatant inaccuracies of Russians using AK-47s and RPDs, no matter how modernized they are, in the 2010s). Not counting the weapons used by Makarov and his terrorist thugs, the weapons used by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the MW series are something I find really hard to ignore, particularly the usage of USPs, P90s, Steyr AUGs, AA-12s, FAMAS and MG4s used in MW2. At least Russian soldiers in MW3 mostly used proper Russian weapons throughout the game. Russia has always had a very different philosophy from the West when it comes to firearms and what should be used by the Armed Forces, and I personally find it important to point out in this article. Anyone else agree with clarifying the usage of certain weapons and providing likely real-life alternatives for the sake of accuracy?--Ssantusky (talk) 05:41, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

Yes, mentioning inaccurate/anachronistic weapon depictions has precedent on this site. Also, after every post you make just add -- followed by 4 tildes, it'll make it easier to keep track of who's who in a discussion.--Aidoru (talk) 01:23, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

Alright, I see some if not most of my edits on why Russians use incorrect guns have been edited out (some remain, which I'm glad about). There was even a very good explanation by a user who wrote about why the FN FAL would never be issued to Russians as it was known as "the right arm of the free world," a very good point in my opinion on why the official Russian Army would never use it, much less Ultranationalist paratroopers, not just in real life but also in the context of this game. I know perhaps I've been overdoing it in terms of explaining what the Russians use as standard-issue in real life, but what's the point of stating that AK-47s and RPDs are anachronistic and inaccurate for Russians and that they should be using AK74Ms or PKMs, and then completely ignore that Russians use weapons they would never, ever use as standard-issue like FN FALs, Steyr AUGs and FAMAS F1s? I'm not complaining or anything, it's OK by me if everyone wants the article to remain this way, but I just really don't understand the criteria on this site sometimes. I think it's proper to point out these inaccuracies when it comes to what armies are issued, in the same way we point out why certain guns are depicted incorrectly. Other articles, like the Battlefield 2 one, point out for example that the Chinese People's Liberation Army wouldn't be issued AK-47s in the 2000s, a very valid point, since they use QBZ-95s, and readers should know. It's all for the sake of accuracy, not nitpicking. Another user said "nobody cares" regarding these edits, well, I beg to differ, because I sure care, and any Russian weapons enthusiast or connoisseur would as well. Either we agree on the fact of explaining each weapon, its depiction and its usage and if they're accurate, or we don't, but we need cohrence for this article. We can't say that Russians wouldn't be issued the USP45 and then not even mention the FN FALs as if it has always been normal for Russians to use them. I know it's a game and it's fiction, and I don't care how the Russians got those weapons in the game's fiction, but they're just incorrect and strange choices for this particular army, and that's why in my opinion they should be pointed out. For future edits, I'd like to know what's the official stance regarding this topic around here, because otherwise I'm not going to bother anymore pointing out things that will be edited out. I'm still relatively new to how things work around here, that's why I'm saying this, so senior members call me out on this if I'm wrong, but I think what I'm saying is reasonable.--Ssantusky (talk) 10:19, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

The official stance is that there is no official stance; we have official admin stances on categorization and page structure and stuff, but commentary writing is more or less completely unrestricted. In terms what writers usually do though, while discussion of inaccurate and anachronistic weapons have precedent on this site, they are not standard expectations for a page (unlike discussions of mechanical inaccuracies), and different writers treat the subject differently. Some writers may want to point out every little detail, and other writers may prefer to minimize them because they really don't think it matters that much within the framework of the fictional setting, and in terms of the contents of the page. (We don't point out Captain Price's fictionality as an inaccuracy of the games' portrayal of the SAS, because that's just a useless comment that takes "accuracy to real life" way too far.)

In my honest opinion, I think that some writers might've objected to your writing because of the sheer volume of words in them; your paragraphs are often so long that they end up eclipsing the base paragraphs, and are stuffed with excessive fluff. You don't need to mention that the FAL is nicknamed "Right arm of the free world" when all you need to say is "The Russians never used the FAL in real life." I don't object to talking about usage inaccuracies, but I would prefer if you write them more elegantly. --Wuzh (talk) 01:35, 22 September 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for the answer. That FAL "right arm of the free world" line wasn't mine by the way, I liked it, but it wasn't mine. While I'll try to be more concise with my writing (you're right to say I'm prone to excessive amounts of information, but I don't know about "elegance," I find that very subjective), I only mind pointing out which weapons Russians should be using in real life and compare them to what they use in-game, and some of it was deleted altogether, including the mention of innacuracy. I don't mind the degree of detail in pointing out the inaccuracy as long as it is noted; a little note would suffice, for example, in the FAL, TAR-21, FAMAS and Steyr AUG sections (just like the USP45 still retains the mention of innacuracy and the line about Russian weapons military doctrine I wrote). I've seen in other sites this complaint of innacuracy regarding the weapons Russians bafflingly use as standard-issue in the game, so I wanted to include them here for any fans of the game who might be wondering about this too, that's all.--Ssantusky (talk) 06:23, 22 September 2019 (EDT)

The info and analysis you wrote was just too long and specialized to be mentioned on the main page. However, you can always write it down on you user pager. Make something like "MW2 weapon analysis" section and compile all the info in subsections and you are good to go. That way you can even have similar historical weapon analysis for other games as well, without cluttering their respective main pages.--Nanomat (talk) 18:00, 22 September 2019 (EDT)

Alright, that seems like a satisfying solution to this, I hadn't thought of that, might give it a go. Thank you very much for your answer.--Ssantusky (talk) 18:57, 22 September 2019 (EDT)

Hummvee legal dispute trivia

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Accurately modeled HMMWVs in the Call of Duty 4 remaster.

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A "Humvee" in MW2R.

The pseudo Humvee in MW2R appears to be a hybrid between Terradyne Gurkha and the "Chinese Humvee" Dongfeng EQ2050. Lol, it looks like in the MW universe America had to outsource even the humvees to China. --Nanomat (talk) 19:01, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

About Anaconda in the remaster

While looking at the extracted model, I noticed that it got a decidedly non-Colt cylinder release latch. Is it based on anything real? Lunar Watcher (talk) 02:11, 30 May 2022 (EDT)

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The model in question

It looks like the cylinder latch of the Smith & Wesson Model 60 or subsequent modern models, it seems to be another hybrid revolver as with the MW2019 .357. Good catch.--AgentGumby (talk) 10:38, 30 May 2022 (EDT)

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-Note: This talk page is for discussion related to the '''article'''. Do not use it to argue about how H&K pwnz Colt, it is safe to say nobody cares.
+For older discussions see [[Talk:Modern Warfare 2/Archive 1]]
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+=Console Command Weapons=
+==Sa vz. 61 Skorpion==
+The [[Sa vz. 61 Skorpion]] can be used in the mission "Team Player" via the console command "give skorpion". Its model, animations and sounds are the same as those in ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare''.
+[[File:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Sa vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]
+[[File:06cd0eb30f2442a784b63bf2d143ad4bd013024d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The cheated-in Skorpion in first-person...]]
+[[File:Va61.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|...and in third-person]]
+==Heckler & Koch G36C==
+The [[Heckler & Koch G36C]] can be used on the PC version in the Special Ops mission "Suspension," by using the dev console command "give g36c_reflex". While the in-world model has a reflex sight and a front sight, the player model has neither. When aiming, the player character simply moves the gun to the center of the screen, aiming along the rail through a non-existent reflex sight. The model, sounds, and most of its animations are from the G36C in ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare''.
+[[File:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
+[[File:G36C_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The G36C in ''Modern Warfare 2'', via console commands.]]
+[[File:G36C_ADS_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Aiming" the G36C.]]
+[[File:G36C_reload_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier about to throw the G36C's magazine.]]
+[[File:G36C_boltpull_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier pulling the charging handle.]]
+[[File:G36C_thirdperson_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Third person model of the G36C. Note the red dot sight, which is gone when picking up the gun.]]
-== Price's 1911 ==
+==Remington Model 700P==
-Actually its in the game it can be picked up and used in the museum, don't know about MP though.
+The [[Remington 700|Remington 700P]] can be used in the mission "Of Their Own Accord" via the console command "give remington700". The model, animations. and sounds are exactly the same as ''Call of Duty 4's''.
+[[File:Remington 700P LTR right side.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Model 700P LTR - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
+[[File:R700_MW2_no3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Remington Model 700P in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands. Of note that this level is not "Of Their Own Accord"; additionally, the French text near the center of the image is prompting the player to use an [[M203]] which they rather clearly do not have.]]
-*It's not featured in MP, it's exclusive to the single player level Museum, though I have heard you can find it during an early mission, much in the same way as to how the desert eagle in MW was found on Crew Expendable (the only one in the entire SP campaign btw). Apparently on one of the loading screens, it details the weapon as a GI 1911 (unsure of the manufactuer) compared to what it was in Modern Warfare, a Springfield Armoury 1911 Professional model. [[Draco122|Draco122]]
+==M40A3==
+The [[M40A3 Sniper Rifle|M40A3]] can be used in the singleplayer mission "Of Their Own Accord" via the console command "give m40a3". Just like the Remington 700P, the model, animations, and sounds are the same as ''Call of Duty 4''.
+[[File:M40a3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M40A3 sniper rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
+[[File:M40A3_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M40A3 in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.]]
-On one of the loading scenes I think it said it was a colt.
+==M60E3==
+The [[M60E3]] is only accessible in the mission "Team Player" through the console command "give m60e4". It appears incorrectly as the "M60E4". The model, sounds, and animations are from ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare''.
+[[File:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60E3 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
+[[File:M60E3_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60E3 in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.]]
+[[File:M60E3_ADS_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60E3's ADS.]]
-The one used by price is a springer pro, colt's just a more recognizable name to put in loading screens.
+==M249-E2 SAW==
+The [[M249]] can be used in the Spec Ops mission "Armor Piercing" via the console command "give saw". The model, sounds, and animations are from ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare''.
+[[File:Fn m249saw mk2 10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M249-E2 machine gun - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
+[[File:Cod6_m249.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:C11eb3b7d0a20cf486e2e98476094b36adaf9993.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
-== M93R ==
+=Miscellaneous=
-There is a confirmation of the M93R machine pistol to be unlocked in MW2 online as confirmed in this video at the bottom of this page
+== Blackhawk Tatang ==
-http://modernwarfare247.com/news/multiplayer-unlocks - Madax XX
+This is the main knife used in-game. It is used as the main melee weapon, the Tactical Knife, and the Throwing knife. The regular knife, The Tactical Knife, an attachment for Handguns which allows faster knife stab and faster recovery. USP .45's Akimbo attachment has the same swing speed as the Tactical Knife, but with the regular recovery speed, and
+The Throwing Knife, a ranged alternative, available as Equipment.
-CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO ADD PICTURES ONTO A PAGE ?????????????
+A [https://fourzerotwo.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/tactical-throwing-knife/comment-page-1/ custom Tatang] engraved with Infinity Ward's logo was gifted to Infinity Ward by The Sea Snipers (the crew responsible for the multiplayer strategy guide of MW2).
-== Who saw this video, 92, FS or SB? ==
+[[Image:BH15TT00BK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Blackhawk Tatang in real life.]]
-The video with the Beretta M9, Ive not seen, Is it a 92 FS or SB?, i mean this isn't my site but still putting M9 just make's it as noobs are running the place, lol sorry, so who has the link to the video?
-*It is impossible to understand it from video. The only place this pistol appears is shown on the screenshot, the trigger guard is not seen, so i decided to discribe it as military modification, M9. I don't think, that it is a big problem for you to write what is this pistol realy is, whan we will have a better view.
-Didn't mean to offended you, it's just most people come to this site to get correct info on weapons, but i suppose putting M9 isn't that bad considering that its the correct name, i just feel its lack of info.
+[[Image:CoDMW2Knife.png|thumb|none|400px|The Blackhawk Tatang as the regular knife.]]
-Its the 92SB again, you can tell on its Create-A-Class picture
+[[Image:USP__45_tactical_knife_6.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Blackhawk Tatang as the Tactical Knife, paired with the USP .45 in the "Harries Technique" stance.]]
-== Airsoft ==
+[[Image:624px-Throwing_knife_floor.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A used Throwing Knife A.K.A. Blackhawk Tatang.]]
-I like airsoft as much as the next guy, but we already have pictures of ''real'' M4A1s and MP5Ks on the site, so no need to replace them with pics of airsoft replicas. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
-:Yeah, but the "real" M4A1s and MP5Ks in the game don't look like those pictures; for the sake of identification, wouldn't it just be simpler to use images that at least look like the weapons from the game, whether they're real or not? Besides, there are plenty of other pages that use airsoft images, so why should this one be an exception?
-:Biggest part of airsoft pictures used on this site are of guns we don't have pictures of. As you can see on the [[M16 rifle series|M16]] and [[Heckler & Koch MP5|MP5]] pages, we have plenty of pictures of the real things, so no need to add airsoft replicas to the page instead. Whether or not they're equipped with a specific rail system or not is moot, since the rail systems in question are pictured beneath the weapons and the addition of them ''on'' the weapons doesn't change anything. An M4 is still an M4 and an MP5K is still an MP5K. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
-:There has always been guns we see in movies that have been customized and don't look like the stock photos of the gun unmodded. It's best to have a picture of the real thing than a fake that LOOKS like the one used in the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
-:Then shouldn't all the other airsoft pictures (such as the Custom 1911 seen on the MGS4 page and the Cutlass on the Black Lagoon page, and even the Springfield Armory M1911 on CoD4's and MW2's page) be replaced with stock pictures? If you're gonna insist on this, you might as well go all the way.
-::As I've already pointed out, '''biggest part of airsoft pictures used on this site are of guns we don't have pictures of'''. So those images are there '''because we don't have pics of the real things'''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
-For the record, I'm in favor of pictures of the weapons modded or detailed as they are seen in the movie or game.  Chances are the link takes you to the base page for them anyway, so you can see a picture of the real deal. Someone might be looking for a picture of the gun that is identical to how it is in the film or game.  Whether it's airsoft or not to me seems moot as long as it is the weapon in question.  Of course, no orange tips, please. -- ZG
+== Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed ==
-:The problem I have with all Airsoft guns is that they all scream "FAKE!" to those of us who spend alot of time around the real thing. Now as placeholders until we get a real weapon image I don't mind as it's a placeholder. Useing an airsoft gun insted of a real firearm that we have an image of that I just don't like. We do get the occational screem used weapon here and even when those have been beat to hell they are much better than the most realistic airsoft gun.--[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:48, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
+The Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed [https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/axe-used-in-call-of-duty.821016/ appears] as "Combat Knife" and is used by Soap to kill Shepherd.
-Replaced the airsoft M4A1 with the pic of a real one yet again. It doesn't matter whether it looks exactly like it does in-game or not. An M4A1 is an M4A1, regardless of what it looks like. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
+== Cold Steel GI Tanto ==
+A Cold Steel GI Tanto blade affixed to a Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed grip is used by Soap to kill Shepherd in the Remaster.
-But if you could find a picture of what it looks like exactly in the game, wouldn't you use it? -- ZG
+== Mk 3 Navy Seal Diving Knife ==
+Two crossed Mk 3 Navy Seal Diving knives are depicted in the "Commando" perk icon.
-:The inclusion of a few tacticool accessories is not enough of a reason to waste server space on even more photos of a weapon we already have a number of photos of. For the third time, an M4A1 is an M4A1 regardless of what kind of rail system and whatnot is on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
+== Mark 82 Bomb ==
+Mark 82 Bombs are dropped by the B-2 Spirit as part of the "Stealth Bomber" killstreak.
-==Planned Weapons==
+=Attachments=
-Where did the informatio for most of these planned weapons come from??
+== Red Dot Sight ==
-:No idea, and no one has posted any sources, and there's no way to edit it now. Maybe if another multiplayer video shows up, someone with some authority will notice them and can remove them. I mean, really, the XM8? COD4 never had it and that came out when it was still showing up in every "realistic" FPS.--[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
+The Red Dot Sight is a fictionalized depiction of Docter style red dots with a battery compartment similar to Burris Fastfire 3. In reality, these are relatively small micro-style sights as they are intended for handguns, however, the game's depiction is enlarged as to pass for a regular red dot. Additionally, in the Remaster, it has the turn on/off switch from the Burris Fastfire 2 and a battery compartment similar to Vortex Venom red dot.
-::IMHO, the XM8 is way overused in video games today. I'm glad IW shied away from it in favor of weapons like the ACR/Masada, that actually got beyond ''prototype'' stage. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
-the acr isnt past prototype stage
-:::No, it just isn't widely available yet, but it ''is'' beyond prototype stage. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
-:The ACR is actually being produced by both Bushmaster and Remington. It's already being marketed and available to purchase [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
-==Winchester 1887==
+Equipping the Red Dot Sight on the F2000 in multiplayer will replace it with the F2000's factory 1.6x optical sight. This sight does not offer any extra zoom benefits when compared to the standard sight, and uses an incorrect red dot reticle; the correct reticle is seen in the remaster. F2000s with the factory sight can be found in the campaign alongside versions with the default red dot, referred to as a scope.
-Is the Winchester 1887 actually confirmed for the game? If it is, you can pretty much create a T2 class with that shotgun, the thumper, juggernaut, stopping power and something else that suits Arnie:P - Madax XXI 12:28
-:Yup, it's in there. I'm totally gonna have a Terminator 2 online kit. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
+== Holographic Sight ==
+The '''EOTech 551''' (distinguishable from the 511 model due to the presence of a night vision mode button on the control panel of the 551) appears as the "Holographic Sight". However, the two knobs found on the right sight of the real sight are incorrectly depicted on the left side in-game. It's also depicted without a protective shroud like the earlier Bushnell holosights.
-::It's definetely confirmed now, and with the big cocking loop and sawnoff stock and barrel too, only a hint of Terminator 2 fanboyism from IW there.... Can't wait to try it though. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
+== Thermal Scope ==
+The Thermal Scope is visually based on night vision devices such as the AN/PVS-14 or the Armasight Spark Multi-purpose night vision monocular, but functionally it works like a thermal scope. Night vision scopes usually don't have thermal capabilities and can't work during day time.
-:I found it in campaign a minute ago and it really sucks-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 01:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
+== ACOG ==
+The standard ACOG model is based on the Trijicon ACOG 4x32 ECOS. It is likely based on an airsoft model due to the use of the Trijicon TA51 mount instead of the ECOS' proprietary scope mount. The in-game model lacks the back up red dot sight, and the BUIS is mounted backward and modeled taller to accommodate for the lack of the red dot mount.
-^^^I think it's pretty good, I'm stoked to get it online.
+The L86A1 uses the SUSAT scope when equipped with an ACOG.
-==M1014 Removal?==
+== Swarovski Scope ==
-Should we remove the section on the M1014 in this game? There hasnt been any confirmation of it appearing in game, aside from the misplaced icon.
+The AUG A2 in the campaign uses a fictional rail-mounted Swarovski scope from the AUG A1. The AUG A3 in the remaster replaces this with a proper A1 Swarovski scope.
-No, it has been confirmed now
+== Heartbeat Sensor ==
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwaOg7RYPo
+The Heartbeat Sensor is a fictional device inspired by the M314 Motion Tracker from the ''Alien'' franchise.
-== Any Ideas On The .44 Magnum ==
+=Discussion=
-I think its either a Raging bull or a colt anaconda. both look quite simmlar but im thinkin it more a colt anaconda than a raging bull reason being that the the magnum in game look as if it has smaller vents were as the raging bull as quite thick vents. --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 22:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
+== MP5K or PDW? ==
-On the Call of Duty wikipedia website it said it was a colt anaconda
+Y'know, if you take a look at the MP5K's barrel, it actually extends out PAST the front sight post. Wouldn't this make it a PDW sans Folding Stock? [[user:gamerfreakB7|GamerfreakB7]]
+:An MP5K PDW is just an MP5K with a folding stock, so I think it's labeled correctly. The extended barrel is just there to mount a suppressor (as does happen in the game) and can be put on any MP5K. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 16 November 2011 (CST)
+::Not it isn't, regular MP5K doesn't have the lugged/extended barrel. The only production MP5K variant with barrel lugs and no stock is the MP5K-N (picture labelled on the MP5 page as an MP5KN is not it, that is just an MP5K with Navy trigger group). However, as the name implies it should have a Navy trigger group, and as this has an SEF one, then this gun is an MP5K fitted with the barrel from an MP5K-N/MP5K-PDW. Also when optics are fitted technically it turns into an MP5KA1, as the rear sight can't be removed from a regular MP5K like they are on this gun.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)
-Link plz? --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 22:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
+== Question about apparel? ==
-Found a video on youtube where they switch classes revealing a .44 magnum on 0:16 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xv37FiiOAk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xv37FiiOAk]
+What kind of Jacket is Roach and Ghost wereing during loose ends? I'v seen jackets like the Condor Sierra Fleece but it doesn't come in gray. Heres an example
-==Clean Up Page==
+[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/071031-M-3197S-023.jpg
-I cleaned up the main page, but i can change it back if any one want's. --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 21:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
+:The closest thing to it I'm aware of is a [http://www.tripleaughtdesign.com/Apparel/Jackets/Ranger-Hoodie TAD Ranger Hoodie]. I think the one in the game is either an earlier generation, or messed around with slightly.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:16, 18 November 2011 (CST)
+Thanks man :)---P226 12:37, 19 November 2011 (CST)
-I noticed that FourZeroTwo has a gun on his back before getting knifed, that you missed. It appears to be a PP-2000, please correct me if I'm wrong
+That's an expensive hoodie, but I've heard they're really well built. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:21, 10 July 2012 (CDT)
-http://www.modernwarfare247.com/weapons/sub-machine-guns/pp-2000
+== Name Change ==
-You could be right, but Ive got a hunch it could be a MP7, which seems more likely. But from what we can see its hard to tell. (thx also :)
+I suggest we change the name from Modern Warfare 2 to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, as MW3's page is called [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]].[[User:Sith Venator|Sith Venator]] 18:55, 20 November 2011 (CST)
-No problem, I just love MW and MW2 and had to point that out, but I didnt know who to talk to about it. Great site, too:) I learned loads about guns, like the difference between a Beretta and a Taurus:) - Terry 00:06
+:Agree. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:30, 21 November 2011 (CST)
-I was right about the PP-2000!:) - Terry 23:30
+::It's also the title listed on IMDB. Done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:39, 21 November 2011 (CST)
+:::It was about time to move the page. In the past it was suggested like 10 times. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:20, 21 November 2011 (CST)
-I was like "Sure" when i saw your above post, then i look at the pic of the PP-2000 akimbo, and was like "FUCK" cool any way m8 :)
+== 'M4 Carbine' Barrel ==
-== Bullet Types ==
+The barrel of the M4 in game has no step down for the M203 so does that noot make it the AR-15A3 like in CoD4?
-What is this about the Tavor being loaded with FMJ's? Is this supposed to mean that along with choosing weapon attachments, we also get to choose bullet types? - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]
+EoghanG93 14:04 29/05/2012
-A bit too confusing now lol, I'm thinking it will just be a perk, because if im right fmj's give higher velocities, but i couldn't see how this would affect the game, in cod 4 all bullets moved at the same speeds?
+== Ranger's Standard Issue Rifle ==
-Where do you get the info that FMJ give higher velocities? just curious?
+On the main page, it says that the M16A4 is depicted as their standard issue, but it's actually the FN SCAR-H. It is often the default starting weapon for Pvt. Ramirez on campaign missions (M4A1 if not), and is also used by the other members of Hunter Two-One (such as Cpl. Dunn and Sgt. Foley). Finally, it can most often than not be picked up off of fallen Rangers during the campaign. The M16A4, by contrast, is not used by Hunter Two-One, and only really starts to show up in the last few US campaign missions (the ones in Washington D. C.) where it can be picked up in the first-aid bunker or retrieved off of fallen allies.  --[[User:Ultimagameboy|Ultimagameboy]] 10:54, 10 July 2012 (CDT)
-What i understand is that FMJ are solid bullets and the only bullets "allowed" in warfare from the Hague Conventions.
-True, but but a "Black" operation such as this would hardly be concerned with the rules of "conventional warfare." =P
+When it says the M16A4 is their standard issue weapon, it means in real life, not in game.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 21:07, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
+:Except it says that it it is "correctly depicted" as their standard issue weapon, implying it is common in the hands of ''in-game'' Rangers (which it is not). [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 11:49, 13 October 2012 (EDT)
-The Theory behind JHP (Jacketed Hollow Points) is that upon impact of the target the nose of the bullet mushrooms to a much larger size the then original diameter(caliber) of the bullet causing a larger wound channel and more "stopping power"
+== M4A1==
-The downside to this is that since JHP expand during impact the force of the bullet is dispersed over a larger area on the target making these bullets less likely to pierce body armor, also some HP bullets give certain firearms trouble when cycling this ammo. my 1911 for instance... =)
+Someone made a note about how the M4A1 was missing some key components. If you look in the multiplayer picture, you can see that there is a forward assist. -Survivalkid21
-Your 1911's feeding of hollow point has to do with the type of 1911 usually. Different kinds of feeding ramps I'm told. My series 70 Gold cup has the same problem but my Springfield TRP feeds just fine.
+== Custom AK 47 ==
-FMJ's moving at Higher velocities has to do with air drag, hollow points would create more of it. As others have said hope this helps, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong.
-But basically all bullets work well for their intended applications. its just that in this day and age there are so many options for a person to use its just matching the bullet to the task. Hunting, Target, Match, Self-defense, Low recoil or "Cowboy" Loads, Plinking. Its endless. -Furious Oyster (feel free to expand or remove if incorrect or unnecessary, just trying to help)
+This AK look's exactly like [http://www.lilifolies-airsoft.com/Files/26487/Img/24/CYMA-CM-028-C-CM-028-C-CM028C-AEG-ELECTRIQUE-SEMI-FULL-AUTO-HOP-UP-FB2366-AIRSOFT.jpg Cyma 028c] which is airsoft gun. - Witol96 10:19PM 01.08.2013 UTC +01:00
-well... I didn't exactly want a bullet discussion, i was just wondering how this would affect the game, like if infinity ward would make it horrible and make stuff like hollow points do something like 4 times damage but only go as far as a "Call of Duty Shotgun". - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]
+:Not surprising. You know, you'd think that, with the countless millions these games have made to date, the higher ups could spring for some real weapons and accessories to model off of. Adding a little bit of authenticity wouldn't change the core gameplay one bit. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
-"Where do you get the info that FMJ give higher velocities? just curious?"- I just read alot on firearms :P but i remember coming across it?
+::Even better, [http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=32533 here's] what I think is the actual reference model. It has a 74-style gas block, the aforementioned conversion kit, the Crane stock (the in-game model is Crane with VLTOR-like texture), and it even has the front sling ring and IO SCOP0040 mount! The only differences are that the in-game model has a different ACOG model, and a rail cover instead of a folding grip. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 13:04, 19 May 2018 (EDT)
-As far as i know there is an international convention that bans the use of hollow point bullets and other expanding bullets for millitary purposes.
+== New guns found ==
+I found new guns and i would like to put them in the page.
-FMJs could be like the perk "Deep Impact"?
+These guns are: M40A3, M249 SAW, M60E4, H&K G36C.
-== Extended Magazines Attachments ==
+And i would also add details for the Remington Model 700P.
-Thought it was pretty cool, but will it be like a drum mag or something like bandolier, what ever it is i hope it applies to assault rifles.
-[[Image:Ump45em.jpg|400px]]
-:Could be a dual mag clip, so you can reload faster. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 00:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
+[[User:bonshomme|bonshomme]]
-:: Magazine dammit!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
-He said a clip that holds two magazines together for a speedier reload - Mythekal
-:::Huh. i never heard of that before. Good point, Mythekal.
-Lol its still a mag Mythekal!
+Maybe you could give us some details? Seems like everything would have been found and IDed by now. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:49, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
-its usually just a metal or plastic part that latches to both mags allowing you to just pull out the used one move it to the left and reinsert the fresh mag... Some times its just a piece of tape. Google AR-15 mag couplers or something. -Furious Oyster (Sorry miss read it)
+He's referring to weapons that were scrapped or can only be seen with the "noclip" PC command.--[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 17:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
-I knew what a dual mag clip is, i was merely trying to explain it to who ever thought that M14Fan said "Clip" instead of Magazine. And here is a picture to avoid further confusion. -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]
+I have put these guns on the page. I will try search more scrapped guns in the game. [[User:bonshomme|bonshomme]] ([[User talk:bonshomme|talk]]) 14:08, 3 March 2013 (EDT)
-[[Image:Dual_Mag_clamp.jpg‎|200px]]
+==AUG HBAR==
+Isn't the weapon in-game the [[:File:Hbar.jpg|HBAR-T]] variant? Or maybe this one is semi-auto only or something? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:14, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
+:That looks right, though we should have separate entries for the AUG A2 that appears in campaign and then the HBAR-T that appears in multiplayer IMO. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:33, 3 December 2015 (EST)
+::Done. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:16, 6 December 2015 (EST)
+:::We would need caps for the HBAR-T. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:04, 9 December 2015 (EST)
+::::<s>Just to note something, I've recently moved the Steyr AUG HBAR-T entry to the sniper rifles section, because while the original HBAR is an LMG, the HBAR-T is a DMR; if something needs to be corrected in this let me know. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:03, 10 December 2016 (EST)</s>
+:::::Actually nevermind, it's used in the DMR role but it's still mechanically an LMG, I guess; I'm moving it back to the MGs section. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:40, 13 March 2017 (EDT)
-There better be an attachment like this for the AA-12, cause its gonna get really annoying reloading that lousy 8-shot magazine every five seconds after unloading on someone lol-ArmoredMason619
+==Regarding the L86A1's drum mag==
-==Barret .50==
+There's a Chinese drum magazine for 5.56x45mm rifles that holds 110 or 120 rounds (some sources say 110, other say the 120; maybe both are available), and it looks almost identical to L86's drum mag seen in game (as well as the "MG36"'s drum mag from MW3). It could be the basis for the drum mag in-game (which we would mention if it's the case), though I think that the real one is out of stock/production --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:16, 6 December 2015 (EST)
+:Got any pics of that stuff?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:46, 9 December 2015 (EST)
+::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i43FguvNTCQ Here] and [http://www.gunauction.com/buy/8252873 here]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:52, 9 December 2015 (EST)
+:::Wonder if you can go for a nice drum solo on two of those...--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:14, 9 December 2015 (EST)
+Also, a question: it's always incorrect for a revolver to be reloaded like the Python in Black Ops is, right? (holding it muzzle up and dumping rounds instead of using the ejector rod) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:51, 26 December 2015 (EST)
+:It's likely to result in spent casings not actually coming out since they expand slightly in the chambers from firing stresses in a real gun (it's fine to do with an airsoft revolver, which is probably why you often see it in games). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:12, 26 December 2015 (EST)
+::Alright, so I'll mention this inaccuracy in the concerned pages. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:14, 26 December 2015 (EST)
-At the end of the Flag Runner video FourZeroTwo has a Barret M82. May not be, but it looks like one and sounds like one, it's a little blurry so i wasn't sure? -Final Tsurugi
+==Machine pistols==
+Isn't it rather incorrect how the PP-2000 in MW2 and the FMG-9 in MW3 are classed as machine pistols? I think they fall more under submachine guns. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:48, 10 January 2017 (EST)
+:I think this is getting a little semantic but the phrase "submachine gun" is an American phrase dating back to the Thompson; meanwhile Germans still have been using the ''maschinenpistole'' designation since the MP18. I think it's better to leave the page as is rather than come up with potential ''alternate facts.'' (Also, I think the FMG9 uses a Glock slide and frame internally, it seems more like a pistol in a micro carbine kit IMO.)--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 14:38, 9 February 2017 (EST)
-It looks like a Barrett XM500 - Mythekal
+== Plausible Theory on Why the Russian use "Incorrect Guns". ==
-How did i not notice that, actually might be a Barrett M99? - Final Tsurugi
+Well, I know that a lot of time passed but please listen. In the first Modern Warfare game a Russian Civil War happened. So maybe the war became a proxy conflict. Western Countries (US,Germany,Belgium,France,Austria,Israel and South Africa for sure, judging from the guns present in all the three games) gave guns to the Loyalist for helping them win the war (this happen in real life look at the Kurds Peshmergas), because they knew that if the Ultranationalist would had won something would happened (like it did it). Italy, considering that in real life is very filo-russian, maybe supplied the Ultranationalist (note that they have the [[M1014]] and [[Beretta 92]] in the first game]]. Eastern European (Poland,Czechia,Slovakia,Hungary,Bulgaria,Romania) guns cannot be seen, despite being common, because their governments didn't wanted to gave their weapons to Russian because of some events named Cold War and Communism. And Israel ([[CTAR-21]]) got also the justification that the Ultranationalist helped rogue Middle-Eastern which are Israeli natural enemies. After the Ultranationalist won, they simply took the arsenal and used in the Invasion of US.
+Also this could explain the commonness of the [[Vector]]. TDI looked at the civil war and took the opportunity to sell it to loyalist. This would have helped the buisness. Look realistic and made sense now? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 09:50, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
+:A plausible, well-thought-out idea, Danny, but I think that you're putting a fair bit more thought into it than IW did. Still, it does add up. Good thinking. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 10:16, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
+::Naw, it's still a little far-fetched since those weapons would require parts and ammunition the Russians didn't make themselves, and their presence would still be dwarfed by the number of Russian weapons in Russia. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:13, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
+:::Well, it's not exactly like this would be the first time that the Russians would be doing that; during WWI, they used everything from [[Arisaka Type 30|Arisaka]]s to [[Vetterli-Vitali rifle M1870/87|Vetterli]]s to [[Winchester Model 1895|Winchester]]s, after their war minister declared rifles more precious than gold, and they started throwing out requests for guns to literally anyone who'd listen. Granted, the Second Russian Civil War would have to be going pretty damned badly for them to do this, but they did lose, so that could be the case. They still ought to be using more Russian weapons, but it at least makes some sense. (Then again, this is making the rather bold assumption that anything about MW2 was thought through all the way, but it's interesting to theorize nonetheless). [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:26, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
+::::The fact that the Ultranationalists received weaponry from several dealers such as Imran Zakhaev and Alejandro Rojas could be considered as a justification, but still it's obvious that it's merely for gameplay variety that the games included such weapons. I mean, it's ironic that the in-game Russians went and adopted these while also using the out-of-service AK-47s and RPDs in great numbers instead of having the much more appropriate AK-74M, PKM, Saiga 12, Makarov PM, etc. - Gotta love how the MW series think that modern Russian troops use the 7.62x39mm as standard ammunition (I mean, even the thing intended to pass for an AKS-74U is modeled with a 7.62 mag), whereas ironically Black Ops 1 believes that the Spetsnaz used the time-traveling 5.45x39mm ammo in the 1960s. Also, Pyro, Soap's monologue in the intro of "The Gulag" implies that the Ultranationalists did actually win the Second Russian Civil War. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:58, 29 May 2018 (EDT)
+::::Well, your average arms dealer can explain old guns but not advanced new guns like the [[MG4]] which would be supplied only by Nations. If Rojas sold such systems he would stayed in a Villa in Copacabana and not in a Favela. However CoD universe is not our universe despite being similar. Think with their geopolitics when thinking about it, not with ours.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 02:33, 6 June 2018 (EDT)
+:::::As far as I can remember, in the Black Ops, the Cuban police use Soviet [s]shotgun[/s] magazine-fed grenade launcher KS-23 (which for some reason seems to work like an ordinary 12-gauge shotgun) instead the Winchester/Remington/Ithaca, and rides on limousines (!) GAZ-13.  COD is clearly not the place where you can find a lot of realism. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 13:29, 29 May 2018 (EDT)
-:Or it could be the M107, the updated M82. ][[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy] 01:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
+Well, judging from the arsenal that Russian use in MW3 Defiance looks like the Russian had a "all-or-nothing" mentality as they used everything, from [[SKS]] to [[AK-74]]. They wanted revenge so seems likely that they used everything they got while invading US. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 03:35, 11 June 2018 (EDT)
-It wasnt the M99 because it was firing semi-automatically, and from the angle, the magazine was not visible, so i assume it was a bullpup - Mythekal
+==ACR is actually Masada==
+Magpul themselves state the following in the comments of [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTnlNyhuO_U this video]: ''"Masada is the name of the concept rifle that was released as the ACR. Gen 1 Masadas had the charging handle in the middle of the receiver. Gen 2 Masadas were forward and dual sided. It was not till Gen 3 of the concept that the charging handle looked and operated as current ACR."''
-It is a Barret M82/M107, if you pause the video at the right moment you can see the magazine in front of the grip, i actually got excited to think we might have a bull-pup sniper in Modern Warfare 2 :P -Final Tsurugi
+What I make out of this is that the [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Magpul_masada.jpg photo of the Masada that we have here] is gen 1 and the so called gen 3 is actually the Bushmaster/Remington modification. This leads me to the conclusion that the "ACR" in game is actually based on the so called 2nd gen Masada. It has the front sight of Masada, the early handguard, the [https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Shot-Show-2007-Picture-Tour--Completed-with-254-pictures/118-310630/have early Masada charging handle] and the forward and ambidextrous charging handle.
-Nope. Youre all wrong, I mean you got the .50BMG part right, but its actually an Accuracy International AS50. Come on guys I cant be the only one who noticed that-Kellers357
+The problem is, I can't find a photo of a real gen 2 Masada on the web, it seems like all Masada pictures that cover the gen 2 specifications are just airsoft things. Maybe the devs actually based the in game model on an airsoft gun? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:09, 27 October 2018 (EDT)
-I'm almost positive that it is not an AI. It is just a M107 [[User:mythekal|mythekal]]
-== Brazillian Militia? ==
+:Finally managed to find a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIlW1t2mgNc video of the rare 2nd gen Masada] in action. Apparently, all Bushmaster did was to take this design and remove the full auto mode. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2019 (EDT)
-They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
+== Quality Image dump ==
-:I actually like that causal outfit the militia wear :)
+I'm going to upload some standardized images for the page but I'm kind of short on time to go through and caption all of them, so anyone who cares to do so can take care of it. I'll probably dump them here first.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:00, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
-::Me too. I never seen a brazilian wear a 1980s Miami Vice style flower shirt, but i do like how they have militia wearing Brazilian football team shirts. Makes it more realistic. I like the flower shirts though. They are cheesy as hell. It fits the game. Also, Please sign your posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
-Yeah Miami vice ftw :) --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 21:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
-==Guns from the new teaser==
+I'm gonna start replacing some of the worse images with these new ones. Good job AgentGumby. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:40, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
-This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
+:He actually did it. The absolute madlad. Here's to AgentGumby, everybody. 3 cheers! [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:06, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
-[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
-[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
-:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
-no, its an MP5K equipped with some sort of an RIS handguard to me-Kellers357
+Hey AgentGumby, can you tell me how did you make these images showing the right-side of a weapon? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 01:28, 2 November 2018 (EDT)
+:Basically in the settings you switch the look sensitivity to maximum, and you keep looking at the right during gameplay. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:05, 2 November 2018 (EDT)
-looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
+[[File:MW2 AK47 (5).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
-[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
+[[File:MW2 M4A1 (6).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
---[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
+[[File:MW2 M16A4 (5).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:MW2 M200 (4).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:MW2 FAL (5).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
-:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]
+== About the cut weapons ==
-its a UMP with the foresight removed for the red dot-Kellers357
-The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
+I think those should go here on the talk page or in their own section, as they aren't really available at all unless you have a cracked copy of the game AFAIK (you can't get to them on the Steam version at least, or even do things like adjust FoV on that version). Besides, their formatting is rather glaringly bad with ultra widescreen and the rather awkward "spoiler alerts" they originally came with.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:49, 4 November 2018 (EST)
-::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
+:I'm down. I recall some similar images having been removed from the MW3 page in the past due to the fact that they can't be obtained in a legal way, and I guess this also applies here. And ugh... that ugly 4:3 aspect ratio is something that should be forbidden! --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:40, 5 November 2018 (EST)
-The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
+::I agree with AgentGumby’s points. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 13:32, 5 November 2018 (EST)
-:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
-What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
-:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
-I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
-[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
-The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
-::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
-Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
-[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
+== Comments on the state of the page ==
-[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
-Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
+Because I don't have MW2 and thus can't really take any images, I just want to make a few suggestions as to what is still needed:
-Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns <br/>They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
+* Proper images for the M67 hand grenade and the M18 smoke grenade in first person.
+* Replacements for all 4:3 images in better aspect ratios (mainly the Mark 19 Mod 3 Automatic Grenade Launcher image and the Browning M2 Machine gun)
+* A better replacement image to illustrate the old MW1 Deagle model in MW2, replacing this tiny image:
+[[File:Deagledunn 6.png|thumb|600px|none|A close-up of CPL Dunn's (voiced by [[Barry Pepper]]) Desert Eagle. This and the one on the floor of the panic room in "Exodus" are the Call of Duty 4 models.]]
+*Maybe I am asking too much with this one, but maybe we can get higher resolution Create-A-Class images to replace the somewhat dirty ones we have right now.
-It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.
+Also, I want to ask, is this RPD iron sight image the default in-game iron sights or somehow manually adjusted with in-game movements to resolve the misalignment? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:35, 8 November 2018 (EST)
+[[File:MW2 RPD (2).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+:It was adjusted by looking downwards, I just checked in-game. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:52, 24 November 2018 (EST)
-==what AK is this?==
+Based on the [https://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mini-Uzi_Iron_Sight_MW2.png COD wiki image], I think that this image has been given the "shake it hard" treatment to make the sights appear aligned. Can we get a picture of the default non-aligned iron sights? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 23:58, 2 December 2018 (EST)
-http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
+[[File:MW2 Mini-Uzi (2).jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
-http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
+:Apologies, I'll get some original images and try to post them soon.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 20:10, 5 December 2018 (EST)
-http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387
-In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
+== A question for Wuzh ==
-== Guns from the trailer ==
+Hi Wuzh,
-[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
-I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
-:Could be a variant of the KTR-03S - an AK custom build [http://www.krebscustom.com/RawPhotos/6-28-04/KTR-03SFinal.jpg]. - MCain (UTC)
-:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]])
-:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
-:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
-: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
-::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil.  The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
-:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
-:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]]
-::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
-[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
-I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
-:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
-::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
-:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
-im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
+Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be offensive or butthurt or something. I just want to ask you a question and expect your honest answer. Here is my question:
-:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
+[[File:MW2 M240 ammo box.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
-[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
+--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:13, 7 February 2019 (EST)
-[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
+: Hmm... actually I think you can say that the shape is influenced by the M249 box. The rest of the details (in particular the textures) seem completely different. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 20:48, 7 February 2019 (EST)
-[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
+:: Well, the box is basically the same and it is clear that they recycled it from the previous game to cut down efforts of making a new belt/magazine. Even if they changed some textures or minor details that doesn't change the fact that it is based/inspired/whatever on the M249 box. That is important information, imagine if some dude wants to reenact MW2 yeah I know it is wonky thing but he comes here and finds that we call that gun's magazine "fictional" so he becomes depressed because he can't reenact say the No Russian mission while in reality the magazine exists and we could just have stated it. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:56, 7 February 2019 (EST)
---[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
+::: Uh, OK. I added a mention of the shape of the box being the same as the M249 box in the section. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 21:05, 7 February 2019 (EST)
+:::: My line of thinking is that I'm still not satisfied with the description being "a fictional box which has the shape of M249". Dude I can't understand the "fictional" part. You said it youself, it has the shape of M249 box then logically it is an M249 box. What is the point in calling something real "fictional"? Would you define for example the Model 733 with backwards sights from GTA vice city as "fictional rifle which has the general shape of Model 733"? What's the point of all of this and please tell me what details in the "M249 shaped box" are different enough for you to define it as fictional? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 21:21, 7 February 2019 (EST)
+::::: Ah, I see, so your problem is ultra realism. If you think that game developers make their guns thinking whether a given magazine fits their caliber you are wrong. For example many guns in COD WW2 had extended mags from other guns like M3 grease gun with luger drum magazine which I'm doubtful it will work in real life. Does this make the luger drum fictional? No. It only makes its use with another weapon it's not intended for fictional or erroneous so if you want to define something as fictional that is the inappropriate usage of the magazine and not the magazine itself. Also there is no need to delete you statements, we are here to debate. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 21:40, 7 February 2019 (EST)
-*A Kriss Super V?
+OK then. I guess you're right. Go have it your way. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 21:42, 7 February 2019 (EST)
-Does anyone know who the guy with the KRISS is? Im calling him Brazilian Secret Service but I'm sure Im wrong. Help?-Kellers357
-Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
-:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941  since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
-::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
-:::''I concur.  It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots.  It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver.  On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy.  Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best.  This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
-::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.
-:::::Besides, the game is still going through production and the weapon models will be touched up. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
-== The machine gun ==
+By the way, can we use that original image of the Vorkuta M249 on the Black Ops page?--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 22:56, 7 February 2019 (EST)
-I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
-:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
-:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Well the M240B has been added just look at the new multiplayer trailer. IGN rewind theater confirms it too. could someone add it on the main article? -Mandaloin
-==New AK==
+:: The image is from the COD wiki so I suppose we can't.--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:27, 8 February 2019 (EST)
-[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
-I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
-Found a similar image:
-[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
-[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
-:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
-::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
-:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
-::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
-:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
-::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
-:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
-::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
-*It's gotta be an AKM.
-::Why the      it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
-:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
-::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
-:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
-::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
-:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
-It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.
+== Explaining Russian "incorrect" weapons ==
-== Unrealeted ==
+Like the post before said, this is old, and maybe it's been discussed a lot, but I wanted to ask whether it would be worth pointing out what accurate weapons the Russians would use despite the game's fiction (especially branches such as VDV Paratroopers, who would never carry Armsel Strikers, FN FALs or TAR-21s, no matter what the geopolitics of the game dictate). I'd like to add small notes on certain weapons, if anything, for the sake of clarity (just like the article correctly points out the blatant inaccuracies of Russians using AK-47s and RPDs, no matter how modernized they are, in the 2010s). Not counting the weapons used by Makarov and his terrorist thugs, the weapons used by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the MW series are something I find really hard to ignore, particularly the usage of USPs, P90s, Steyr AUGs, AA-12s, FAMAS and MG4s used in MW2. At least Russian soldiers in MW3 mostly used proper Russian weapons throughout the game. Russia has always had a very different philosophy from the West when it comes to firearms and what should be used by the Armed Forces, and I personally find it important to point out in this article. Anyone else agree with clarifying the usage of certain weapons and providing likely real-life alternatives for the sake of accuracy?--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 05:41, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
-Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the     ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother    ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
+:Yes, mentioning inaccurate/anachronistic weapon depictions has precedent on this site. Also, after every post you make just add -- followed by 4 tildes, it'll make it easier to keep track of who's who in a discussion.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:23, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
-:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!
+::Alright, I see some if not most of my edits on why Russians use incorrect guns have been edited out (some remain, which I'm glad about). There was even a very good explanation by a user who wrote about why the FN FAL would never be issued to Russians as it was known as "the right arm of the free world," a very good point in my opinion on why the official Russian Army would never use it, much less Ultranationalist paratroopers, not just in real life but also in the context of this game. I know perhaps I've been overdoing it in terms of explaining what the Russians use as standard-issue in real life, but what's the point of stating that AK-47s and RPDs are anachronistic and inaccurate for Russians and that they should be using AK74Ms or PKMs, and then completely ignore that Russians use weapons they would never, ever use as standard-issue like FN FALs, Steyr AUGs and FAMAS F1s? I'm not complaining or anything, it's OK by me if everyone wants the article to remain this way, but I just really don't understand the criteria on this site sometimes. I think it's proper to point out these inaccuracies when it comes to what armies are issued, in the same way we point out why certain guns are depicted incorrectly. Other articles, like the ''Battlefield 2'' one, point out for example that the Chinese People's Liberation Army wouldn't be issued AK-47s in the 2000s, a very valid point, since they use QBZ-95s, and readers should know. It's all for the sake of accuracy, not nitpicking. Another user said "nobody cares" regarding these edits, well, I beg to differ, because I sure care, and any Russian weapons enthusiast or connoisseur would as well. Either we agree on the fact of explaining each weapon, its depiction and its usage and if they're accurate, or we don't, but we need cohrence for this article. We can't say that Russians wouldn't be issued the USP45 and then not even mention the FN FALs as if it has always been normal for Russians to use them. I know it's a game and it's fiction, and I don't care how the Russians got those weapons in the game's fiction, but they're just incorrect and strange choices for this particular army, and that's why in my opinion they should be pointed out. For future edits, I'd like to know what's the official stance regarding this topic around here, because otherwise I'm not going to bother anymore pointing out things that will be edited out. I'm still relatively new to how things work around here, that's why I'm saying this, so senior members call me out on this if I'm wrong, but I think what I'm saying is reasonable.--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 10:19, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
-To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.
+::: The official stance is that there is no official stance; we have official admin stances on categorization and page structure and stuff, but commentary writing is more or less completely unrestricted. In terms what writers usually do though, while discussion of inaccurate and anachronistic weapons have precedent on this site, they are not standard expectations for a page (unlike discussions of mechanical inaccuracies), and different writers treat the subject differently. Some writers may want to point out every little detail, and other writers may prefer to minimize them because they really don't think it matters that much within the framework of the fictional setting, and in terms of the contents of the page. (We don't point out Captain Price's fictionality as an inaccuracy of the games' portrayal of the SAS, because that's just a useless comment that takes "accuracy to real life" way too far.)
-Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
+::: In my honest opinion, I think that some writers might've objected to your writing because of the sheer volume of words in them; your paragraphs are often so long that they end up eclipsing the base paragraphs, and are stuffed with excessive fluff. You don't need to mention that the FAL is nicknamed "Right arm of the free world" when all you need to say is "The Russians never used the FAL in real life." I don't object to talking about usage inaccuracies, but I would prefer if you write them more elegantly. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 01:35, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
-:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
+:::: Thanks for the answer. That FAL "right arm of the free world" line wasn't mine by the way, I liked it, but it wasn't mine. While I'll try to be more concise with my writing (you're right to say I'm prone to excessive amounts of information, but I don't know about "elegance," I find that very subjective), I only mind pointing out which weapons Russians should be using in real life and compare them to what they use in-game, and some of it was deleted altogether, including the mention of innacuracy. I don't mind the degree of detail in pointing out the inaccuracy as long as it is noted; a little note would suffice, for example, in the FAL, TAR-21, FAMAS and Steyr AUG sections (just like the USP45 still retains the mention of innacuracy and the line about Russian weapons military doctrine I wrote). I've seen in other sites this complaint of innacuracy regarding the weapons Russians bafflingly use as standard-issue in the game, so I wanted to include them here for any fans of the game who might be wondering about this too, that's all.--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 06:23, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
+::::: The info and analysis you wrote was just too long and specialized to be mentioned on the main page. However, you can always write it down on you user pager. Make something like "MW2 weapon analysis" section and compile all the info in subsections and you are good to go. That way you can even have similar historical weapon analysis for other games as well, without cluttering their respective main pages.--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:00, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
+:::::: Alright, that seems like a satisfying solution to this, I hadn't thought of that, might give it a go. Thank you very much for your answer.--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 18:57, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
-==Hopes For New Game==
+== Hummvee legal dispute trivia ==
-Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.
+[[File:MWR Humvee.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Accurately modeled HMMWVs in the ''Call of Duty 4'' remaster.]]
+[[File:MW2R Humvee.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A "Humvee" in MW2R.]]
-What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
+The pseudo Humvee in MW2R appears to be a hybrid between Terradyne Gurkha and the "Chinese Humvee" Dongfeng EQ2050. Lol, it looks like in the MW universe America had to outsource even the humvees to China. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:01, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
-Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.
+== About Anaconda in the remaster ==
+While looking at the extracted model, I noticed that it got a decidedly non-Colt cylinder release latch. Is it based on anything real? [[User:Lunar Watcher|Lunar Watcher]] ([[User talk:Lunar Watcher|talk]]) 02:11, 30 May 2022 (EDT)
-I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
+[[File:MW2R Anaconda model.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The model in question]]
+:It looks like the cylinder latch of the [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] or subsequent modern models, it seems to be another hybrid revolver as with the MW2019 .357. Good catch.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:38, 30 May 2022 (EDT)
-I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
-:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as      like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
-My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.
-I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.
-* If they added compensators to the attachments for handguns would be cool. It sucks that there's only one attachment for pistols in MW1, and the D-Eagle hasnt got anything that can be put on it, and that sucks even more. Maybe different calibers for the D-Eagles could be used too, but that might be going too far. And I hope theres an SG552 in there aswell, I love that gun so much. And if they added firing selection to the game, you could switch the SPAS from pump to semi auto, which would also be cool, and a touch more realistic.
-:More Desert Eagle is the ''last'' thing this game needs. Seriously, why not a SIG 226 or HK45 instead (i.e., an actual ''combat pistol'')? One thing I want for sure is a freaking fire selector for assault rifles and carbines. Like has been said on the CoD4 page, full auto or bust sucks. I prefer quick double tapping on semi-auto. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
-My hopes for this game?  An automatic FAMAS; leave the 3-round burst to the M16.  Also, a true M14.  As for everything else, well, the only thing I was worried about from the onset was the RPD, but since it's been confirmed, I'm ecstatic.  And I like how they're doing the secondary weapon thing.  Having a shotgun as your primary could be pretty useless sometimes...[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 21:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
--you no what, they need to make a real "modern  warfare" game, like with acts going from Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, and hell Somalia, who wouldnt want to play a blackhawk down game with kick ass graphics AND guns, that is what cod7 should be and obviously with the real weaponry they had, ex- no Magpul Masada in vietnam, Sad but true, any agree with this?- Griz
-==Winchester 1200==
-We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
-:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
-I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
-:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun      in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
-:Watching over the video again on youtube and moderwarfare2.com, the weapon does look like a Winchester 1200 at first glance, yet I'm also convinced it may be a Remington 870 MCS, either in the Entry configuration or the Patrol Configuration due to the length of the barrel or it maybe the combination of the two, due to the length of the barrel with an added entry front sight. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 22:15, 11 August 2009
-[[Image:Rem870mcs_14.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]
-== Alright ==
-Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
-Here they come:
-[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
-[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
---[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
-:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
-== gameplay demo ==
-did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
-it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
-im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
-:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
--It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal
-Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions?  Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.
-It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
-:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal
-I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal
-:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
-It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal
-The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal
-:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.
-new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.
-I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
-:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
-ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
-:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal
-::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
-:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-::::That little     er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
-:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.
-==Weapons-trailers==
-Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the  110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
-:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.
-:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all         . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-== Hbar? ==
-I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother     is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal
-:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
-::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
-::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
-:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
-== Correct Name ==
-I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.
-:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
-:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2.  [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.
-I just saw a new official cover art for the game. It says
-CALL OF DUTY
-MODERN WARFARE 2
-so i think we should call it call of duty modern warfare 2 -Mandaloin
-Thats just the boxart. Officially by the gamedevs its only called Modern warefare 2. They just slapped "call of duty" on there because a lot of people are stupid enough not to realise this IS a sequel to Call of Duty 4: modern warefare [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]
-== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==
-A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
-I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
-In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
-::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and     s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
-: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
-::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda     ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
-:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
-I think the Task Force 141 is referring to Task Force 145 in reality. Task Force 145 is a joint force combining US and UK special forces
-Task Force 121 was in now way a Black Ops Unit. It was as 145 is, a multinational military unit assigned dircetly to counter-terrorism. Task Force 121 no longer exists it is now known as 145, which is what Task Force 141 in the game is based off of.
-== More weapons comfirmed ==
-It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
-:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
-== CPT. Price ==
-I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
-:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
-How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor
-Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!
-No, Soap leads the Task Force
-Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.
-*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
-::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
-The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably  grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...
-*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys
-*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest
-Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
-:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.
-No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
-::Yes, but apparently Soap has a glorious Mohawk. And Price could be a good Zombie.
-Even if Price lived through the end of COD4, do you really think he'd still fight?
-:What reason would there be for him ''not'' to? Guys get wounded and go back to active duty all the time. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
-The Voice Actor, Billy Murray, has been confirmed as having worked on the project, if that's worth anything.
-:: Unfortunatly that could just end up being part of a flashback mission like in CoD 4. Here's hoping it's for a part of the main game.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
--Hes in the new trailer. Seriously, end of debate- k9870
-::If you're on about the guy on the assault boat, all we see is a guy in a boonie from behind. I'm going to withhold judgement until the game actually comes out.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
-At beginning of the Takedown level, Royce addresses "Bravo Six," Price's call sign from CoD4. Keep in mind that Captain Macmillan was Alpha Six, and that Soap's call sign is ''rumored'' to be Papa Six.
-:: Except Bravo six was also Lt Vasquez's callsign. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
-:: Except that Vasquez died in a nuclear explosion. Price's odds of survival are much better that someone who was nuked, crashed in a helicopter, and then exposed to radiation.
-::: Hence my point, which is that the callsign is non-indicative. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
-I think everyone here just needs to except that Cpt. Price has returned and is immortal like many other great men with Facial hair (I.E Gordan Freeman, Solid Snake, Chewbacca)
-it has been rumored that captain price (billy murray) will return as the commander of the 22 reg along with SSGT griggs (somehow) due to the fact we have been told (through the twitter page) that the voice actors have been paid record their voices but even then thiers nothing from stoping them from making another flashback mission  with them
-:Hence my original point. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
-sorry ment to update that earlier CPT price is confirmed as retuning as the unit leader again after soap and roach break him out of a Russian prison (at that point price trys to kill roach but stops when he sees soap) the M1911 that you see on soap is the same as whats from MW1 which is returned to price then you can figure the rest out. end of story. regards scarecrow
-==General Observations==
-Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery.  When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].
-:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-== The New pictures ==
-Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
-:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of     ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother    ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother    ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
-Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-Wow... that site has the MP5 listed as being 40. S&W [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]
-LoL that site is horrible... if you think that page is bad just jump into the forums... all kinds of gems in there... read the one about the Taurus Raging Bull. the guy says "goodluck reloading its four barrels" <- That had me laughing with the stupidity of that statement. - Furious Oyster
-== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
-[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
-Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
-:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
-:My question is where the      is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
-::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
-::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
-How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
-== MP7? Are you sure? ==
-Where do you exactly see MP7?
-I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
-They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
-MP7 doesn't match...
-[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus
-I saw a picture of it yesterday and i cant remember where. and i think it was a russian behind a shield, but im not sure if i remember that correctly. but the MP7 is definitely here -Mandaloin
-The MP7A1 is seen in the Reveal trailer in the hands of the Brazilian Secret Service agents fighting off an insurgent force from a crashed C-130-Kellers357
-== FAL Please ==
-I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
-: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
-: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
-(UTC)
-== TDI "Kriss" ==
-I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
-:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
-::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
-:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
-::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
-:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
-::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
-::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get        off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the         faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
-:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
-I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
-::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
-Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
-:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
-:As far as the Kriss goes they sure as hell have never fired it (which disappoints me that they put all these exotic weapons in that they really havent touched... in COD4 they actually fired most of the weapons and that gave it a level of authenticity) so i dont think they'll pay attention to the fact that it takes most of the recoil for you. when you fire it youll probably be shooting all over the place with heavy recoil -Mandaloin
-::Well looky here, an icon for picking up a "FAL Red Dot sight" In the Multiplayer trailer. There is a god, because the FN FAL has finally made it into an awesome game![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 05:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
-The Kriss does seem to have a comparably short barrel to the UMP. IW could lower the damage due to the lower velocity? not sure what barrel length is ideal for .45ACP but I just thought that could be used as a reason to balance? that and the Kriss only uses the .45 Glock pistol mags correct? so maybe your attachment is an extended mag to help compete? -FuriousOyster
-:From what we've seen, the Kriss in MW2 is already being used with the experimental 26 round magazine currently being developed for the gun. As for barrel length, it's on par with the UMP, plus its shorter overall. Who knows, maybe IW will just make the Kriss what it is in real life, a hard and precise hitting sub machine gun. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
-== HK416? ==
-Possible HK416-
-The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
---[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
-:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
-that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)
-Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.
-I hope they don't. It's not that I necessarily hate the HK416 (well, okay, maybe I do ''a little bit''), but let's give LWRC's or Colt's gas pistons some love. The 416 and XM8 are way overused in shooters today. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
-:And the rear sight on Soap's M4 looks more like an ARMS #40L to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
-:Again, why do people think that when they see a cool looking AR15 in a game or a movie shot they RIGHT AWAY say, HK416 or M468 AKA REC7 as it is called now.? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
-::Because a lot of people are so fracking biased against DI guns that it's crazy. They're quick to tout the AK's widespread use as an example of its so-called "superiority", but that same argument means "absolutely nothing" to the same people when it's applied to the M4 and variants ''chosen'' by elite forces all over the planet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
-yeah, i agree, it is ridiculous, especially since you can upgrade an m4 to perform exactly like any of the other new weapons and do it for a $1,000 cheaper. it makes you wonder why were even replacing the m4?
-:Same reason the army bought a new grenade launcher: It's shiny and new. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
-==FN P90==
-Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
-:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
-== Re-added ==
-Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
-:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
-::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
-== Walther WA2000 ==
-Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
-:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
-== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==
-http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720
-I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
-:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
-NVG's that max out to 50 feet, failll
-:*facedesk* Behold, NVGs for less then 200 with a $70 game and art book, Who wants to bet those are made by a company who's name you can't pronounce and is based in a country that rhymes with Dina? Anyhow, I already pre-ordered the standard game, I don't need fancy art books and hard cases and crappy NVGs, I just want what may be the best FPS ever created, period. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
-::I'm don't want the nod to use, I just want them as a bad-@$$ display for the living room. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
-== Cover Restoration ==
-Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?
-[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
-[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]
-It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
-== SPAS-12? ==
-Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
-[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
-its a FAMAS- the folded bipod
-:Nope, it's a WA2000
-::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
-:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
-It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.
-yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.
-Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
-== Confirmed Weapons ==
-Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
-:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
-::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
-:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
-:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
-::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
-Does this help on the FAL?
-http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
-[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
-:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
-::So, it's almost sure that the weapons carried by the brazilians are FAL? I don't think they will include two weapons pretty identical... Unless they changed the rate of fire on each weapon much like the M4/M16 AR.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
-:It's the Imbel but Infinity Ward named it FN FAL. Like the AKMSU/AK-74S fuck up in Modern Warfare 1.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
-I think its the fal, it looks like it uses a bigger magazine therefore a bigger round, the MD 3 uses 223, the fal uses 308
-::I noticed that too. It looks like a FN FAL with an 30 round magazine. But look at the Forearm. It looks like an MD-3 forearm to me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
-:::But it could be based on the DSA SA-58, which has a shorter fore end, and curved .308 mags do exist. Either way though, a FAL in Mw2 is win in my books. Infact, here's a nice picture that may help that theory, [url]http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DSA-SA-58-OSW.jpg[/url] [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
-Terribly disappointed that the 1911 is not used in multiplayer - JanG
-==M4==
-The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??
-:wheres the proof?
-::As of now, nothing can be added to the main article since there are no sources or evidence that provide the actual facts. Do you happen to have a link of the official statement? I think what he means is that the M4 (when mounted with sights or scopes) looks like a Bushmaster ORC (Optics-Ready Carbine), since it's rear and front sights are already removed. But just because it looks like it doesn't mean it has to be a Bushmaster. And again, guys, please sign your edits. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 21:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
-The M4 IS a Bushmaster! And proof is right here on IMFDB! I took this from the pic of Soap and enlarged it.
-http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Soap_Bushmaster_M4.jpg
-Snake logo on the mag well is Bushmaster's. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
-:And I just noticed Soap is wearing US Army UCP, as well... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
-:So what? In this fictional universe, Bushmaster makes all the M4s? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
-::Well, true, but this is a video game set in the near future. It could very well be possible that Bushmaster took over M4 production from Colt (since their exclusivity agreement expired back in June) in the Modern Warfare world.[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
-::And I doubt IW would put two or more different identical "M4s" in the game. I can see an M4 and HK416 or REC7 put side-by-side in the game because there are some slight external differences (and caliber increase in the case of the REC7), but there'd be no point in having separate Colt and Bushmaster M4s, both virtually identical externally, at the same time. But then again the still above could very well be just promotional with a Bushmaster put in because it's all they had available to model. But we'll find out for sure Nov. 10th... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
-:::Hmm... Bushmaster may have used the Call of Duty franchise to advertise for their weapons, as seen on the lower receiver of the M4. Maybe likely, maybe not; but it is a possibility. Cheers, --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}
-::::HK did it with R6, so why can't Bushmaster do it with MW2? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
-==Winchester 1887==
-No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
-http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
-http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg
-yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.
-I dought you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
-Also it could be the Chinese copy.
---[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
-There was a ''Public Ennemies'' version of the weapon which was closer to the one in the screenshot, but it has been deleted.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
-:I think it would be peculiar to have the old lever shotgun in MW2, but definitely a cool choice of gun. It may not be the fastest or most powerful, but it has nostalgia and cool to it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
-It could be like the Stg-44 from COD4, a retro weapon.
-It was called MP44 in Cod4 not Stg-44 that was in W@W just trying to help. -FuriousOyste
-: The MP44/StG-44 was only in CoD4 as a nod to the other games in the franchise which are all set during WW2. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
-Maybe you can unlock Price's mustache as a nod to his awesomely awesome mustache from MW1? =D -FuriousOyster
-Since IW seem to be going along the "fun" route while still sticking to a semi-realism point of view, it's probably safe to assume this was added as a "fun gun". It's likely with the recent videos of the "Flag Runner" and the addition of throwing knives there adding weapons that no serious soldier would use in direct combat but would be awesome to use a video game multiplayer match. It's possible they added it as a reference to Terminator 2, I wonder if they'll add the M79 and a portable minigun... [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:11, 02 September 2009 (UTC)
-:There should be two reload animations. The first one you reload normally but in the second one you reload like the T-600, With one goddamm hand.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
-::That was only chambering fresh rounds, not reloading it, but I see your poit. Either way though, having an old school lever action shotty will surely make things, uh, interesting? And throwing knives will just attract goddamn ninjas. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
-:::Ninjas that I'll gladly lay waste to in MP. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
-::::Amen to that man, they can throw all the knives they want, but that won't stop them from taking a burst of FAL rounds in the chest. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
-:"Those who live by the sword get shot by the ones who don't". Ninja's were cowards anyways. They retreated rather than fought most of the time-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 00:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
-::Not to mention that was against bows and arrows, not automatic rifles. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
-for the reload animations I think the shells are being loaded in to the barrel!!
-== Don't debate on the articles ==
-Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
---[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
-:I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.
-::Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
-:::I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
-::::What Jake means, is that to hold all disputes, comments, and debates on the discussion (talk) page, instead of the article itself. The page you are looking at is the talk page and you should type any comments on this page. If you look at the top, there are seven tabs (varies on your status and monobook of the wiki), but for more users, it says, "page, discussion, edit, +, history, move, & watch". Make sure the "discussion" tab is pressed before you make your edit. Typing in the tab that says "page" makes the article look unprofessional and a hassle to read. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 21:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
-:::::I'll move all the discussion here...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 13:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
-== Glock ==
-The GameTrailers Analysis states that it is a [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22]], but this is unconfirmed. It could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] since in the video demo shown at the E3 conference, it fires fully automatically.
-[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] - 9x19mm. This model has compensator cuts on the slide and barrel to reduce muzzle climb while firing]]
-[[Image:MW2Glock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A [[Glock]] fired by "Roach" on a snowmobile in Mission "Cliffhangar". Note olive-drab frame.]]
-[[Image:MW2SpOpGlock.jpg|thumb|none|300px|This US special ops has a olive-drab framed Glock in his thigh holster (barely off-shot).]]
-*An interesting note is that the Glock fires dramatically slower than a Glock 18 or other converted Glocks. The Glock from the video's rate of fire is only around 600-700 RPM, where as a real Automatic Glock fires around 1100+ RPM  -- Mythekal
-:The guy COULD just be firing in semi VERY fast so that it seems like it's full auto. A lot of the handguns in COD4 if you tap the trigger in quick successions, it seems almost full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
-::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.
-:::Not to disagree with you, I mean, you strike a really good point, but I've seen video game companies butcher their weapons into having colors or functions that they don't even have in the first place. Perhaps this is the case, although highly unlikely. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 17:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
-Not sure if anybody noticed, but the G18s in game does not have a selector switch - JanG
-== H&K USP .45 ==
-Shown in a stage demo for GameSpot, Roach wields it with a knife at the same time. There is a similar technique where you do this with a flashlight. If someone would care to name it please do as I forgot for the moment.
-*Take your pick from CQC, CQB, Combatives or Defendu. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
-** The particular technique shown below with the support arm under the wrist of the main arm indexing the flashlight along the axis of  the barrel is called the Harris Method. In this case it's being done with a knife presumably because it looks cool.
-*** It's actually done for CQC and not just cause it looks cool. A similar method to this is what Snake does on MGS.But he holds the Knife with the gun by the grips.Perhaps the Harries method is more comfortable than Snake's CQC method,so they made it that way.
-****
-[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP. Note the slightly longer barrel/slide and grip compared to the 9mm and .40 S&W models above.]]
-[[Image:USP_with_knife.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
-== Akimbo ==
-*Need some confirmation on this as I cant find any videos or images of this, supposedly the player is now able to Dual wield or go Akimbo with Pistols, particularly twin desert eagles were seen in a demonstration during a show off session to fans.
-This is one of the websites with this article:
-http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/08/27/modern-warfare-2-has-guns-akimbo/1
-[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]
-:There was a screenshot of the Desert Eagle being held akimbo during a gameshow in Vegas (the name of which I forgot...) I'm not sure if it was already added to the article, but I'll take a look. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 04:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
-:Now Akimbo? I'm having less and less faith in this new game with most of these cliche shit added on. We got too many kinds of new guns enough to put Rainbow Six to shame, odd matches for people and prototype guns in wide use. This game went from pretty cool to up down cliche generic shooter. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
-== Leaked Video ==
-Found this video while searching the net on youtube.
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuwFT4p5hA
-At 1:28 there appears to be a new weapon, it looks like it says "Shotgun" but the video is low qaulity and I'm having a hard time finding out what it is? The icon image looks similar to that of a Saiga shotgun but I'm not sure. From the looks of it, the IMI Mini Uzi will be making a return.
-[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]
-[[Image:Mw2brazilshotgun.png]] I think it says (litterally) "FAL w/ Shotgun"... Shotgun attachment?!--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
-MASTERKEY! that would be awesome! on the other hand... COD4 shotguns were pretty pointless. so I doubt an even shorter barreled one would be worth it.
-:Yeah, there have been rumors of an under-slung shotgun attachment. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
-::That does surely say FAL with Shotgun, as it matches the shape of the other FAL seen in a trailer, sweet! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
-also confirmed in game masterkey is avalible -scarecrow
-== Continuity Error(??) ==
-Perhaps, in the E3 Gameplay video, the Infinity Ward boyz made a continuity error. If you will, note that Roach is first seen using a USP .45, but later, on the snowmobile, he switches to a Glock 18/22/whatever. Just a thought.
-:Doubt it. games arn't that sloppy. Its probably given to you when you board the snowmobile because firing a semiautomatic weapon while you are going pretty fast wouldn't help much unless you have a very steady hand. better to have a wide spread than accuracy when you cant predict the enemy that well. [[user:5t3v0|5t3v0]]
-::Well apparently you are able to equip 3 weapons?, but that still wouldn't explain how he got that glock.
-:::What 5t3v0 says is true. Video game developers aren't that sloppy and I think that the publishers purposefully made this so-called "continuity error". I think that the Glock is for use only for the snowmobile portion of the mission, since its high rate of fire (compared to the HK USP .45) is more ideal for tracking and shooting fast-moving vehicles. Many other video games during their vehicle missions use the same logic (i.e. a mounted machine gun on the snowmobile in [[007: Nightfire]]). --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 04:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
-::::There's one on each of the snowmobiles, There's a holster somewhere.
-Okay first of all, i know you know its just a game, so thats my first statement, and my second is, who says you cant have another holster on you, one on your thigh, one on your rig, or two on both your thighs? and then you either have access to it in the game or you dont, and we can all pretend like roach just doesnt want to use it until the snowmobile thing or something like that.
-== New mw video ==
-Gentlemen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PMRFkx07g
-Damn, the MP5K Looks SWEET! And throwing knives? kick-ass!!! man as soon as this is released im disowning my copy of COD4.
-== Double Barrel Shotty ==
-According to the guys over at the COD Wiki, the Double barrel shotgun will make a return(from COD5), has anyone else seen this?
-* It's possible with the inclusion of other "fun" weapons like the Winchester M1887 and Throwing knives, but I'm not going to get my hopes up about it... [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:18, 02 September 2009 (UTC)
-:Try not to include wiki as a source unless there's pics of the actual shotgun ingame. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
-::The OXM stated that (Official Xbox Magazine). The DB shotgun will have separate trigger for each barrel.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
-:::You said it will make a return, it never was in cod4, or are you referring to cod5? --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 15:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
-::::Sorry, shouldve been a little clearer, i was referring to cod5
-== Mk14 Rifle ==
-The Mk14 on the screenshot is not a Mk14 Mod0 battle rifle but a Mk14 Mod1 ([http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/closeup/Mk_14_Mod_1.jpg]), the second modification. Still based on the M14/M1A battle rifle/semi-auto rifle, but using M4 grip and stock with the EBR chassis. The version used by soaped also seems to sport a Magpul MOE stock with cheek rest.
-Now that I see that new picture on the page with the mk14 in it I think that it is also a mod 1. Who else is thinks so?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-== Highrise Gameplay videos (Cam) ==
-http://www.gametrailers.com/game/modern-warfare-2/11043
-Just saw this today, the "trailer" section also has a trailer cam of a predator missile and a supply drop, it also shows off the UMP45.
-The newer highrise videos show a few weapons in the game that would now be deemed confirmed to a degree. It's labelled 1 through 5 in parts. They all feature different guns, I remember seeing two icons, one which was thought to be a place holder, the L85 was displayed as the L86 LSW (maybe an attachment for the L85?) including a PP-2000 Akimbo. Other's include various MG's which I can't identify, a SPAS-12 shotgun in full view (with appropriate icon) and the FAMAS and UMP.
-[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 13:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
-:The videos from Gametrailers also seem to show a silenced SPAS 12, which should be fun.
-[[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 15:14, 16 September 2009
-== New video confirms a few weapons==
-A few weapons are probably confirmed by this video from Screwattack, PP-2000 amongst them.
-http://www.screwattack.com/Events/MW2HandsOn
-[[User:DAnnysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 14:39, 16 September 2009
-:Just from watching, I saw the FAMAS, RPD, M4, SCAR, PP2000, AT4 (now a weapon not a perk, and more.[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
-:48, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
-everything in the game is now content locked.  that means any weapon seen will be in the final game
-happy hunting
-==Zombie Mode==
-Any idea if theyll have one?
-No they wont. Instead they have a spec-ops mode. Besides, its not cool of Infinity ward to copy treyarchs thing. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]
-Yeah, especially when Treyarch has made an entire career out of copying Infinity Ward
-== Create A Class Menu ==
-Several weapons,perks, and attachments have now been confirmed in a new video's on youtube including [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], [[PP-2000]], [[M79 grenade launcher]], [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention]], [[RPD light machine gun]], [[Franchi SPAS-12]] and much more.
-Source: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K51MZPJ-Rd0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K51MZPJ-Rd0], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNCCkvV77s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNCCkvV77s]
-[[Image:CreateAClass.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Create a Class Menu.]]
-== Infamy (New Trailer) ==
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8toHfZm6jNE
-The Guy in the Airport wearing a black suit (presumably this Makarov character) looks like he was carrying a SCAR-L but then I noticed the RIS rails to which it was just a regular M4. It was weird how they made look very similar to the SCAR-L, yet at 1:31 in the Infamy trailer there's a guy with outline of the SCAR-L. It looks like the "Mini-Uzi" is now confirmed to be apart of the machine pistol lineup of weapons. Also does anyone think the AK at 0:57 looks odd? Kinda looks to me like a AN-94. - [[Draco122|Draco122]] 07:07 05 October 2009
-*The weapon Makarov was holding looked like an M4 to me, but I think your right about the Mini-Uzi being a machine pistol now. And as for the AK it looked like the rest of the AKs I've seen from ingame pictures and footage. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 20:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
-:The guy is holding an M4. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
-The Russian tactical team that responded to the airport attack were referred by Makarov as FSBs.  Even though they did deploy from SWAT vans marked as FSB, the Russian soldiers actually wear MVD uniforms, meaning that they were actually interior troops.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
-== Wall of guns ==
-Just got this off of Gametrailers TV. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
-[[Image:MW2wallofguns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
-*Too late, man.)
-== Sentry Gun ==
-On Gamesrader.com, an article on the impressions of MW2, mentions a Sentry Gun in the Kill Streak list. After doing some research, I've found a supposed concept of the Sentry Gun on Modernwarfare247.com. Apparently it seems to be the XM312 .50Cal fitted with a Camera. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 09:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
-[[Image:Leaked-mw2-art-book-12.jpg|300px|thumb|none|XM312]]
-maybe its a .50BMG on a CROWS-type system
-:The Sentry Gun in the game is an M134 on a tripod, as I've used some in MP. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
-==Screenshot==
-The first two are Scars, the second has a Masterkey, the third with an ACOG doesnt quite look right, and I cant tell what the digital one is, any help?
-[[Image:Mw2scars.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
-The two on the right might be ACR's--[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 03:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
-The digital one is the bushmaster ACR. It looks a little funny but that is it.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-== W2000 ==
-I'm not 100% certain on this, but isn't the W2000 a collector's sniper rifle? I mean this is a rather expensive sniper rifle made as a colector's rifle. So why would the military be using it in whatever war this game takes place in?
-And we're supposed to know the thought process behind Infinity Ward's weapon decisions how?
-Remember the game black where w2000s were just laying all over eastern europe?
-:Yeah, ever since Black came out, WA2000s have been known to be laying all across Europe, ripe for the picking! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
-Haha Agent 47 spends thousands of dollars just to maintain one yet European armies can buy millions of them just to lay around randomly :P
-From my play through, I can only find one. The one you see on the wall of guns picture.
-I've seen them in several missions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
-== Unfocused ==
-This game is looking more and more gimmicky by the day. It's as if they're going all out to jam as much modern technology into the game as possible, whether it makes sense or not. Brazilian militia with FN F2000 assault rifles? Russian terrorists with the TDI Vector? ''Really''? --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 08:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
-It's true that I feel the game is adding so much new stuff it won't be anything like CoD4. It bothers me that Infinity Ward is going over the top just because of its huge fanbase.
-[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-For those of you who have seen "Lord of War", remember Nicolas Cage's quote: "Where there's a will, there's a weapon." I'm sure that their theory for the MW2 universe is that some FN or TDI salesmen forgot who they were working for, and sold their latest & greatest weapons to the bad guys, and got paid more in a day or two than they would earn working for a decade. I believe that money is the most corrupting force on Earth. Also, I do recall a story about some F2000s winding up in the hands of a militia in East Timor a few years ago, and I'm not sure whether or not FN figured out how they got there.
--KLR
-:I've heard of this happening with a custom M14 maker. One of their people was rebuilding some MK14Mod0 on the side and smuggling them to the phillipines if i rememger correctly. The man was caught and is spending a long vacation is club fed. --[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
-As much as I agree that the weapons are going a little crazy (how the hell do Brazilians in the slums of Rio get their hands on such powerful NATO weaponry?), remember this game isn't set in the present day, its sometime in 2016 I think. So who knows, in that year the rarer weapons of today may be more widely available. Unlikely I know, but possible. [[Special:Contributions/90.213.208.208|90.213.208.208]] 10:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
-:And besides, the game would be very boring if everyone had AK's. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
-Not exactly. Im not liking the whole high end weapons idea for militia. I would have been fine seeing militia using ak variants and other common battle rifles. --[[User:mythekal|mythekal]]
-You must remember that all gangs in Rio get majority of there weapons from buying over seas and from corrupt military and police units, who themselves have stockpiles of powerful NATO weapons (M4s, AKs, FNs,etc.). And the Brazilian militia's leader is an Arms Dealer who has ties with the Ultranationalists, any Arms dealer that big can afford to give his men some much more flashier weapons! Also this is just a game too!--[[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
-In the first game the russians had g36cs, ak-47s, m9s and 1911s, not like, ak-74s and makarovs. In this they seem to have gone to just having tacticool bullpups and high-end everything.....I laugh if you pick p an m9 in brazil even though your infinitely more likely to get a taurus pt92.
-One aspect of Modern Warfare 2 is notably the fact, that although not identified by developers, is the way in which the worlds runs, MONEY!, believe it or not but the American government has been dealing arms for years, all to up there pay check, the result is quite devastating, its give there own troops a disadvantage but what do they care money's, money, they would give nuclear weapons to iraq if there was enough money.
-:Actually, the American government deals arms mainly to friendly nations and used to deal arms to CIA backed insurgencies.  So, you know, they wouldn't be selling things like NUKES you moron.  As far as the purchase of these weapons, just consider Mexico today:  You have a 'military' (if you can really call the Mexican Army a military) where 250,000 soldiers have left to work for a drug cartel or just left the country, leaving their rifles with the cartels.  Then you have those same cartels buying firearms from third world SA countries that were provided firearms by the US for insurgencies.  Then you have cartels buying firearms from people very similar to Cage's character in Lord of War.  In 2016, it's more than believable taht those dealers could be selling ill-gotten FN2000's to wherever they damn well please.
-I think that they are adding all of these guns because after Zakheav died the ultranationalists kinda fell apart and now they use anything they get their hands on so some of their guys probably decided too buy their own guns and thought they might as weel go big.
-- If you think this game is unfocused you haven't seen the 25 kill streak perk yet! A Freaking Tactical Nuke, I'm not joking: http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/modern-warfare-2-25th-killstreak/333858[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]
-That idea makes the game sound more ridiculous than it already is. This is way over the top now.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
-Can someone explain what "in egoview" means? pictures have the caption something like "the SPAS-12 in egoview " somethign like that. Is it suposed to mean first-person view, only written by someone with poor english?
-== M21 EBR ==
-Just to make sure no one changes it back. Even though it doesn't technically exist, that is what its called in game. The logic behind the name is: M21 (Sniperized M14) + M14 EBR (Modernized M14) = Modernized Sniperized M14 = M21 EBR
-Alright, to be blunt, I LOVE the M14.  Whenever I used one in Call of Duty 4, it was like the second coming of Jesus Christ.  I just got done reading that the M14 used in this game is, as said above, a M21 EBR, and is classified as a sniper rifle.  When I found that out I was extremely pissed.  What I don't get though, is that in the Breach and Clear video that is out there, there is clearly a Mk. 14, with open iron sights.  Based on all of this bullcrap, it appears that you will not be able to use the M14/Mk.14 EBR/M21 EBR/or-whatever-the-heck-we-are-calling-it without a scope.  I am aware that MW2 is somehow sneaking out into people's Xbox's already, and I would greatly appreciate if someone could elaborate on this?[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 00:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
-:Putting a scope on a Mark 14 doesn't change its designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
-Been checking with various sources on M14's and this M21 EBR is just an M14 fitted into a Sage Stock. it's nothing more than the numerous M14's I've seen used as a DMR.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
-:I say we just stick with calling it Mark 14 Mod 1 and note in the description that its in-game name is M21 EBR. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
-:And, while I've not yet played MP, every instance of Mark 14 use in SP refers to it as "M14 EBR". [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:03, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
-::It's officially called the M21 EBR in MP. However a friend of mine tells me when fitted with an ACOG it makes for an alright assault type rifle. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
-== Two new videos ==
-This is the level you get for beating the game.
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhjh8KxFPkg
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czJEO8skB64
-Damn good videos, I'll have a lot of fun with that museum :D Does this mean theres not going to be any semi-auto assualt rifles? Everything seems to be full auto in those videos...:( [[Special:Contributions/90.213.208.208|90.213.208.208]] 19:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
-in the video description it says that the person playing was using rapid fire.
-They likely removed the use of the G3 and M14 from Multiplayer due to people using the modified controllers to enable rapid firing, though I remember seeing that "Rapid Fire" was being made as an Attachment for weapons, not something I'd imagine seeing in singleplayer  [[Draco122|Draco122]]
-:An added note about the "Museum" level is a button on the front desk. Press it and all the soldiers in the exhibits come alive and try to kill you! Good fun if you stock up from the weapons cases first. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
-==Wow, Dual wielding all subguns?==
-watched video of dual mp5ks and p90s........wtf is wrong here?
-Where is this video?
-:Even worse, I heard it was possible to dual wield shotguns. [citation needed] Yeah, ordinarily I wouldn't just put that out there without a source, but given all the other stupid decisions IW have been making lately, I can believe it. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 01:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
-you dual wield sawn off doubles,  its showed in museum gameplay.
-:Wouldn't firing a sawed off one handed dislocate your shoulder?-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 03:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
-Not necessarily, but that doesn’t mean it is the smartest way to shoot a firearm. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 05:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
-You know what this means, every noob on the planet will be duel wielding in MW2 like it's Halo 3 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
-Meh, who cares? Yeah, I think dual wielding is an action movie cliche, too, but I'll just play the game the way I want and everyone else will do the same. It most likely won't be long until people are whining and crying about "dual wield noobs" like they do about so-called "noob-tubers". [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
-Yeah, i use a noob tube on one of my classes myself, it may piss people off, but snipers piss me off. Besides, its not like the noob toob is good in close quarters, it only holds two rounds and has slow ass reloads. I use mine to countersnipe when they try and hide behind cover.
-:I only use noob tube when coming up against a map with lots of trenches or caves or buildings, the better to lob nades into. I prefer the ACOG in MW2, as now it doesn't suck like in CoD: 4 [[Special:Contributions/142.166.195.174|142.166.195.174]] 18:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
-Anyone who cries about what weapons, perks, or attachments another player is using needs to either learn how to adapt to the environment and opposition or quite playing multi-player altogether. "ZOMG! He killed me with a grenade launcher! Not fair! Waaah waaah waaah!" Some people just need to grow the feck up and stop being pansies. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
-I agree. the M203 is a useful tool. so are shotguns, i was sick of hearing "SHOTGUN NOOB!" after the first time i heard it. now this is just an opinion but when indoors and within the effective range, i dont think theres a better weapon. they provide a large spread pattern that can be useful in high stress situations. im not saying you dont have to aim a shotgun at close range, but neutralizing a threat can be easier with with buckshot (defense loads) than with a single slug from a pistol or rifle. in my opinion there is no "noob" weapon. when they are all used properly, each individual weapon serves a specific purpose. cheap tactics is what makes a bad player in my eyes. someone who uses a high capacity weapon (P90, Light Machine Gun) while sitting in one spot picking off players who are trying to have fun and play "right" just ruins the expirience for everyone else. and in my expirience these "campers" are the ones who cry like babies when THEY get dead at the hands of a P90 or shotgun. but thats just my opinion.--[[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] 17:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
-I don't particularly think ''any'' tactic is cheap (nor any weapon a "noob" weapon), no matter how "unfair" an advantage one thinks it gives. Some tactics are just simply more successful than others. The fact is that MW2 is a '''war''' game, and so goes the old saying ''all's fair in love and war''. If a machine gun camper kills me, so what? I'll just respawn and continue with the game. But that's the point, it's a ''game''. Some people take games way too seriously. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
-== RIOT SHIELD ==
-Just played the game and i have to admit the riot shield is the most fun weapon to use in multi-player.  Bashing enemies to death is extremely gratifying. - JanG
-i love when people use it, theyre easier to kill. Especially with the knife. If you are anywhere but directly in front of them they cant block it.
--k9870
-That, sticky grenades, and powerful caliber fmj weapons are the only thing that can break through the shield - JanG
-==Semi Auto only FAL==
-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 21:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
-:The only Thing I could think to defend it is in The Falklands War both the UK and Argentina used the FAL. Which the UK used their L1A1 in single fire only, the Argentinian Army had theirs on Automatic, which Military experts have said that after the third shot makes in an Anti-Aircraft gun. I've never fired one, but in the game I like the controlled fire of the FAL, of it would just fire like another AK.-Km314
-:But it shoots way too slowly ingame to be of much use. They should have made it shoot in bursts of 2-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 04:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
-::From what I experienced in Multiplayer, it's powerful, it would be way to powerful if it was full auto, I think Infinity ward was going for a thing like they did in CoD4 with the G3. 1:21, 13 November 2009
-I think they purposely brought down single fire rate to keep people from using modded controllers too. The g3 would fire as fast as you pulled the trigger, and anyone with a modded controller had an unfair advantage. The FAL is a true single shot, mods or not. I like it.
-To whoever said "military experts have said that after the third shot makes in an Anti-Aircraft gun", I believe one person on the Military Channel does not count as "military expert'''S'''
-Just look at this guy: he's not shooting down any planes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1q8GiSIdc
-If anything, the FAL with an ACOG makes a great DMR. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:54, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
-:I dunno whats with all the fuss, I love the FAL in MW2. Sure auto would have been fun, but it's hugely accurate and powerful, not to mention long ranged. A Holo sight makes it a perfect AR, and an ACOG pretty much makes it competition for the EBR. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
-== Tacticool-ness ==
-Well, this game is awesome and all, but i hate the fact that they made it to be a HALO knock-off. Dual wielding? Glock 18s? God, this there ever going to be a game that gets Special Ops right? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
-:No, because the average person doesn't know dick about guns or the military-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 02:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
-::I really thought that it would be a badass fucking game, which it is, but they made it just too fucking...tacticool. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
-== Glock 18 with red dot ==
-Hey if anybody plans to use a G18 with a red dot sight without a silencer I just wanted to tell you that using a G18 in this configuration is a bad idea, the muzzle flash of the gun on full-auto is so large that it actually blocks the view of the dot so much that you can barely see the dot
-:Glock 18s were already a bad move. and put three ~ at the end of your text to show your name. like so: -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
-::I have to agree, without the silencer used the G18s muzzle flash ruins your sight picture, not to mention it has zero range and horrid accuracy.[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
-Ok thanks for telling me how to put my name on a page, and the G18 is an ok gun, I mean the gun tisn't that accurate when you do a full clip 33 round burst, but it is a good close quarters gun because you can hose down an enemy in about two seconds, and I sometimes use it to pin down other players because they think that I am using an MG and when the gun runs out of ammo and they jump out of cover I spray them with a real MG. [[User:Korean war marine]]

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