| Error creating thumbnail: File missing Join our Discord! |
| If you have been locked out of your account you can request a password reset here. |
Talk:Red Heat: Difference between revisions
StanTheMan (talk | contribs) |
|||
| (17 intermediate revisions by 7 users not shown) | |||
| Line 21: | Line 21: | ||
[[Image:RH-SW66-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | [[Image:RH-SW66-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | ||
I took this screencap only to show the muzzle. Looks like a .357 to me not a .44. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC) | I took this screencap only to show the muzzle. Looks like a .357 to me not a .44. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
:After comparing the 66 to the 629, I agree with Predator. This is definitely a model 66. 1) the muzzle is definitely that of a .357 revolver. 2) the barrel on Belushi's gun looks a bit too long to be a 629, but it looks EXACTLY like a model 66. The first shot is a dead giveaway. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 18:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
[[Image:M6293.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] | |||
I would agree that in many of the shots it looks like a 629 with a 3inch barrel, they existed at the time, and in the first shots the barrel and the cylinder appear too large for a .357, the gun itself is too large as well. Belushi has large hands but that gun seems to dwarf them. In the final picture I could see how that is a .357, but the first shots are without a doubt a .44 [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]] 18:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
While in some of the shots the gun seems large. I don't think people realize that k-frames like the Model 66 or 19 are full size guns. A snub-nose Model 66 or 19 is not the same size as a j-frame Model 36. Here is a pic below for comparison. Now if the gun Belushi is using is an n-frame, I think it would be a Model 27 - .357 with a stainless finish. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
[[Image:SW66vSW36.JPG||thumb|none|500px|SW66 v SW36]] | |||
We understand perfectly, but the barrel size is just too large, I have rather large hands myself and I own a full size revolver, and my hands make that gun seem diminutive. My point is not that I think you are wrong with the muzzle shots, but the others that gun is too large.[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]] | |||
I don't think Ridžić used the model 66. He definitely used a .44 Mag. He most likely used the S&W 629 3" barrel w/ different grips. He didnt use a .357 [[User:ErikSantiago|ErikSantiago]] | |||
Belushi used a .357 Model 66 snub nose in the movie. He did not use a .44. For a good example, look at the size of the cylinder when he hands Schwarzenegger a real .44 Magnum in the car - it's huge! Definitely bigger than the gun Belushi uses. I think the confusion stems from one of the promotional materials included in the dvd where Belushi pulls out his .357 and calls it the "Magnum .44" for the interview in order to pump up the movie. It's a Model 66 .357. The page needs to be changed. | |||
Definitely NOT a K frame model 66. It is an N frame. The easiest way to differentiate between the K and the N frames is the section of cylinder crane between the cylinder and the ejection rod shroud and corresponding section of frame on the opposite side. On the K frame it is curved in shape, on the N frame it is a flat square. Belushi's gun has a very obvious flat square. That and the size of the revolver show it to be an N frame without question. Probably, as already stated, a Model 629 with a three inch barrel. [[User:Bo_Nidle|Bo_Nidle]] | |||
: Never weighed on this before but I agree this is a Model 629 snub. The above user Bo said it about the crane shape not matching that of K-frames, while the cylinder and frame itself certainly looks too big in comparison to the trigger/trigger guard and cylinder latch area to be a .357/K-frame gun. (You can tell this best comparing the 66 and 629 snubs together - For better reference one can use the other blue backgrounded prior version picture from the 629 snub image page.) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:25, 18 June 2016 (EDT) | |||
==Model 64 or 60?== | ==Model 64 or 60?== | ||
* Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) carries what looks like a S&W Model 10 snubnose, except in Stainless steel, which would make it the S&W Model 64. | * Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) carries what looks like a S&W Model 10 snubnose, except in Stainless steel, which would make it the S&W Model 64. | ||
:The cylinder looks like it only holds five shots, meaning it would be the Model 60 snub. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | :The cylinder looks like it only holds five shots, meaning it would be the Model 60 snub. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | ||
::It may be, but it also looks like a 6 shot to me. It's always hard since actors have different sized hands and this looks larger than a Model 60 to me. I will scroll through the film again and scan for better pics of the cylinder. | ::It may be, but it also looks like a 6 shot to me. It's always hard since actors have different sized hands and this looks larger than a Model 60 to me. I will scroll through the film again and scan for better pics of the cylinder. -[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I think its a Model 64. On a Model 60, when looking at the gun from the right side, you cannot see the ejector rod, but on a Model 64, you can. Notice how can most definitely see the ejector rod on Gallagher's gun. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 07:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC) | :I think its a Model 64. On a Model 60, when looking at the gun from the right side, you cannot see the ejector rod, but on a Model 64, you can. Notice how can most definitely see the ejector rod on Gallagher's gun. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 07:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC) | ||
[[Image:Smith wesson 60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|You can't see the ejector rod here]] | [[Image:Smith wesson 60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|You can't see the ejector rod here]] | ||
[[User: | [[Image:S&W64Snub.jpg|thumb|none|400px|You CAN see the ejector rod here]] | ||
Actually, looking at it now, while you can see the ejector rod, the barrel on Gallagher's gun is a little too long to be a model 64. But it IS the right size for a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]], which also has the ejector rod exposed on the right side. That's definitely the gun that Gallagher uses. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 07:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The barrel is the right size and the ejector rod is exposed. This is definitely the right gun used]] | |||
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) ready in the hallway with his S&W Model 64 - .38 spl.]] | [[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) ready in the hallway with his S&W Model 64 - .38 spl.]] | ||
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) makes an arrest with his S&W Model 64 - .38 spl]] | [[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) makes an arrest with his S&W Model 64 - .38 spl]] | ||
==Polish P-64== | |||
The gun listed as a Hungarian FEG MAK380 used by a Russian police officer Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) actually appears to be a polish gun called P-64. | |||
[[Image:PolishP64.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Polish P-64 with spare magazine - 9x18mm Makarov]] | |||
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) yells for Danko to follow him, with his P-64 - 9x18mm.]] | |||
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) chases Rosta with his Polish P-64 - 9x18mm.]] | |||
[[Image:RH-PolicePistolFF05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) with his P-64 - 9x18mm.]] | |||
==M1911A1 - Two Tone == | |||
:Based on the length of the slide and the ring hammer, I'd say it's a Commander. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | |||
Latest revision as of 06:25, 18 June 2016
Question about the Sleeve Device
If anyone can answer this, how does a sleeve device work? I've been wondering how he can pull the gun out from under his sleeve. -500Magnum
- Spring-loaded.-protoAuthor
Model 66 or 629?
I moved this to the discussion page. --Predator20 19:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
A Snubnosed Smith & Wesson Model 66 with Pachmayr combat grips, is the sidearm of Chicago Police Detective Art Ridžić (James Belushi) in the movie.
- Looks too big to be a K-Frame S&W 66. You can also tell by the barrel and the subtle difference in the shape of the ejector shroud (compared to a 2.5" Model 66 barrel.) that it is probably an N-Frame 629 with 3" barrel in .44 Magnum. This makes sense if Belushi's character gives Arnie a full-sized Model 29. He probably really liked the "big" Magnums! - --sidspappy 20:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're on to something there!!!! :) Something to look into! I will try to find a 629 snubbie to photograph for comparison! THANKS! MoviePropMaster2008 01:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I also believe it is a Smith & Wesson model 629 with a three inch barrel. Another possibility is the .44 Special N frame M624. However, I cannot see the typical barrel taper of the M624 in the pictures and the cylinder also seems to fill the frame almost completely. The model 624 features a slightly shorter cylinder, as the .44 Special rounds are shorter in length as well.
I took this screencap only to show the muzzle. Looks like a .357 to me not a .44. -Predator20 17:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- After comparing the 66 to the 629, I agree with Predator. This is definitely a model 66. 1) the muzzle is definitely that of a .357 revolver. 2) the barrel on Belushi's gun looks a bit too long to be a 629, but it looks EXACTLY like a model 66. The first shot is a dead giveaway. -Gunman69 18:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I would agree that in many of the shots it looks like a 629 with a 3inch barrel, they existed at the time, and in the first shots the barrel and the cylinder appear too large for a .357, the gun itself is too large as well. Belushi has large hands but that gun seems to dwarf them. In the final picture I could see how that is a .357, but the first shots are without a doubt a .44 RedJedRevolver 18:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
While in some of the shots the gun seems large. I don't think people realize that k-frames like the Model 66 or 19 are full size guns. A snub-nose Model 66 or 19 is not the same size as a j-frame Model 36. Here is a pic below for comparison. Now if the gun Belushi is using is an n-frame, I think it would be a Model 27 - .357 with a stainless finish. --Predator20 20:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
We understand perfectly, but the barrel size is just too large, I have rather large hands myself and I own a full size revolver, and my hands make that gun seem diminutive. My point is not that I think you are wrong with the muzzle shots, but the others that gun is too large.RedJedRevolver
I don't think Ridžić used the model 66. He definitely used a .44 Mag. He most likely used the S&W 629 3" barrel w/ different grips. He didnt use a .357 ErikSantiago
Belushi used a .357 Model 66 snub nose in the movie. He did not use a .44. For a good example, look at the size of the cylinder when he hands Schwarzenegger a real .44 Magnum in the car - it's huge! Definitely bigger than the gun Belushi uses. I think the confusion stems from one of the promotional materials included in the dvd where Belushi pulls out his .357 and calls it the "Magnum .44" for the interview in order to pump up the movie. It's a Model 66 .357. The page needs to be changed.
Definitely NOT a K frame model 66. It is an N frame. The easiest way to differentiate between the K and the N frames is the section of cylinder crane between the cylinder and the ejection rod shroud and corresponding section of frame on the opposite side. On the K frame it is curved in shape, on the N frame it is a flat square. Belushi's gun has a very obvious flat square. That and the size of the revolver show it to be an N frame without question. Probably, as already stated, a Model 629 with a three inch barrel. Bo_Nidle
- Never weighed on this before but I agree this is a Model 629 snub. The above user Bo said it about the crane shape not matching that of K-frames, while the cylinder and frame itself certainly looks too big in comparison to the trigger/trigger guard and cylinder latch area to be a .357/K-frame gun. (You can tell this best comparing the 66 and 629 snubs together - For better reference one can use the other blue backgrounded prior version picture from the 629 snub image page.) StanTheMan (talk) 02:25, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
Model 64 or 60?
- Det. Sgt. Gallagher (Richard Bright) carries what looks like a S&W Model 10 snubnose, except in Stainless steel, which would make it the S&W Model 64.
- The cylinder looks like it only holds five shots, meaning it would be the Model 60 snub. - Gunmaster45
- It may be, but it also looks like a 6 shot to me. It's always hard since actors have different sized hands and this looks larger than a Model 60 to me. I will scroll through the film again and scan for better pics of the cylinder. -MoviePropMaster2008 04:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think its a Model 64. On a Model 60, when looking at the gun from the right side, you cannot see the ejector rod, but on a Model 64, you can. Notice how can most definitely see the ejector rod on Gallagher's gun. -Gunman69 07:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually, looking at it now, while you can see the ejector rod, the barrel on Gallagher's gun is a little too long to be a model 64. But it IS the right size for a nickel Smith & Wesson Model 36, which also has the ejector rod exposed on the right side. That's definitely the gun that Gallagher uses. -Gunman69 07:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Polish P-64
The gun listed as a Hungarian FEG MAK380 used by a Russian police officer Yuri Ogarkov (Oleg Vidov) actually appears to be a polish gun called P-64.
M1911A1 - Two Tone
- Based on the length of the slide and the ring hammer, I'd say it's a Commander. - Gunmaster45