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As done loads of times, It may be a 'modified' one for the movie to look like a different weapon. The Armourer may have thought a front grip on such a small SMG is pointless and the SM-9 would be ideal as a clandestine PDW. The muzzle my have been installed not much for vanity but to reduce barrel climb so it can be handled without the front grip. It reminds me very much of the British MCEM 1 machine carbine. | As done loads of times, It may be a 'modified' one for the movie to look like a different weapon. The Armourer may have thought a front grip on such a small SMG is pointless and the SM-9 would be ideal as a clandestine PDW. The muzzle my have been installed not much for vanity but to reduce barrel climb so it can be handled without the front grip. It reminds me very much of the British MCEM 1 machine carbine. | ||
Does anyone know frack all about the SM-9? When was it first manufactured? My Google-fu is weak. | |||
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You can actually see the blanks ejecting.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 21:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC) | You can actually see the blanks ejecting.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 21:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Maybe they switched guns in the live firing scene. You can see the fake foward assist in one of the screencaps.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Various unknown revolvers== | |||
All of the handguns which appear in ''Raw Deal'' are revolvers, and I'm sorry to say that I don't know a whole lot about revolvers (if you're my age, they're just inherently less interesting than the high-capacity semi-autos that have been featured in action movies since the late-80s). So, here are lots of screenshots showing off the various wheel guns seen in the movie. Feel free to identify them and sort them out. | |||
''I remember reading an article in "Combat handguns", written by Jerry Ahern, when the movie was first released, where he mentioned that a Charter Arms Bulldog was used in the movie, but I am not able to identify it in these pics.'' | |||
:''I think the Charter Arms Bulldog might be Patrovita's gun, seen in the 5th and 6th screenshots.'' | |||
The guy shown in the front is definitely holding a blue-steel Smith & Wesson M15 "Combat Masterpiece" cal. .38 Special. Note that ejector rod ain't shrouded, so it cannot be a Smith & Wesson M19 "Combat Magnum", cal. .357 Magnum. The guy next to him on the right might aim with a Smith & Wesson M29. | |||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-66273.jpg|thumb|600px|none|...]] | |||
Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special cal. maybe? | |||
I don't think that Patrovita's revolver is a Charter Arms Of Duty. In the second picture it showed cleary a 6 shot cylinder. | |||
Perhaps a [[Taurus Model 80]]? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
[[Image:8750-1 jpg thumbnail1.jpg|thumb|350px|none| Taurus Model 80 with 3 inch barrel - .38 Special]] | |||
The gun shown here is not a Smith and Wesson model 27/28, but an Astra 357 with 3-inch barrel (note the distinctive shape of the hammer)(A similar gun can be seen in [[Code of Silence]] [[User:Rafa|Rafa]] ([[User talk:Rafa|talk]]) 15:05, 26 April 2016 (EDT): | |||
[[File:Astra 357.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Astra 357, 3" barrel - .357 Magnum]] | |||
[[Image:RawD_7009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Astra 357, 3 inch barrel. Note the shape of the hammer and the rounded front of the frame, different of the square frame of the S&W N-frame]] | |||
[[Image:RawD_7010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Astra 357. Note the distinctive shape of the hammer]] | |||
Latest revision as of 22:05, 1 September 2016
Another of the weapons in Kaminsky's arsenal is a very compact machine pistol that has an extremely high rate of fire. This gun appears to be a Cellini-Dunn SM-9, but it obviously lacks the forward grip in front.
As done loads of times, It may be a 'modified' one for the movie to look like a different weapon. The Armourer may have thought a front grip on such a small SMG is pointless and the SM-9 would be ideal as a clandestine PDW. The muzzle my have been installed not much for vanity but to reduce barrel climb so it can be handled without the front grip. It reminds me very much of the British MCEM 1 machine carbine.
Does anyone know frack all about the SM-9? When was it first manufactured? My Google-fu is weak.
Colt Detective?
The gun that Kaminsky gives to Baxter at the end I think it is not a Colt Detective Special. Look at the adjustable target rear sight. I feel, this revolver is a Smith & Wesson model 15 "Combat Masterpiece" with a short 2-inch barrel, built on the medium-sized K frame. It appears as if the ejector rod ain't shrouded, so it likely not a M19 "Combat Magnum".
MGC Replica
Since this weapon is actually seen being fired, could it be that this is a M16A1? --Ben41 20:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
- I haven't seen the movie in forever, but is there actual muzzle flash? Or is just the sound of it firing dubbed in? --Predator20 20:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
You can actually see the blanks ejecting.--Ben41 21:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe they switched guns in the live firing scene. You can see the fake foward assist in one of the screencaps.--Oliveira 21:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Various unknown revolvers
All of the handguns which appear in Raw Deal are revolvers, and I'm sorry to say that I don't know a whole lot about revolvers (if you're my age, they're just inherently less interesting than the high-capacity semi-autos that have been featured in action movies since the late-80s). So, here are lots of screenshots showing off the various wheel guns seen in the movie. Feel free to identify them and sort them out.
I remember reading an article in "Combat handguns", written by Jerry Ahern, when the movie was first released, where he mentioned that a Charter Arms Bulldog was used in the movie, but I am not able to identify it in these pics.
- I think the Charter Arms Bulldog might be Patrovita's gun, seen in the 5th and 6th screenshots.
The guy shown in the front is definitely holding a blue-steel Smith & Wesson M15 "Combat Masterpiece" cal. .38 Special. Note that ejector rod ain't shrouded, so it cannot be a Smith & Wesson M19 "Combat Magnum", cal. .357 Magnum. The guy next to him on the right might aim with a Smith & Wesson M29.
Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special cal. maybe?
I don't think that Patrovita's revolver is a Charter Arms Of Duty. In the second picture it showed cleary a 6 shot cylinder.
Perhaps a Taurus Model 80? --Jcordell 21:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
The gun shown here is not a Smith and Wesson model 27/28, but an Astra 357 with 3-inch barrel (note the distinctive shape of the hammer)(A similar gun can be seen in Code of Silence Rafa (talk) 15:05, 26 April 2016 (EDT):
