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== Re: LAR Grizzly ==
'''All users please observe the following when leaving a comment>'''
[[Image:Sigbutton.jpg|thumb|right|800px|Also post at the '''BOTTOM''' of the discussion page....because that is how it works.]]


The [[LAR Grizzly Big-Bore]] is indeed a single-shot rifle, you have to reload after each shot. This can be seen in ''[[Tremors 2: Aftershocks]]'' when Burt Gummer ([[Michael Gross]]) loads the rifle. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


*Interesting, thanks -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
== Thanks for the comment ==
I worked pretty hard to get [[The Devil's Rejects]] page in order. When I first went to the page all that was there was a list of firearms and brief descriptions. I added all those photos, but I didnt screencap any of them myself. Most are studio released screenshots or promo pics. I am going to try and screencap some pics myself from a verison of the movie I downloaded(not the best quality). But thanks for first comment I ever got on the site.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 17:41, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


==US Navy Mark 12 MOD X Special Purpose Rifle==
I will try.  I don't have one or access to one now, but I am visiting some of my peers who may have one.  I have your pic request on my 'list of things to do'.  best regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
== Perfect Dark ==
I was wondering why you removed the Heckler & Koch AG36 and the grenade launcher variant from Perfect Dark? [[User:Sci Fi Gunner|Sci Fi Gunner]] 18:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


== Re: ''America's Army'' ==
== Re: ''America's Army'' ==
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==Hulk==
It's cool that you screencapped ''[[Hulk]]'', but the page layout does not meet IMFDB standards. Please fix? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:What I mean is that the page needs:
:(1.) Proper grammar and capitalization throughout, including the gun names ("Beretta 92fs"?)
:(2.) Descriptions of the gun's use in the movie and, with it, links to the gun pages.
:(3.) Pictures of the guns individually.
:For instance, look at my page for ''[[The Incredible Hulk (2008)|The Incredible Hulk]]'' to see how I did it. When in doubt, you can always hit "edit" on another page and then copy-and-paste code for the guns as they appear on those pages. I'll help if you need it. Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::OK, I fixed it up a bit. Check it out now. [[Hulk|This]] is proper format for IMFDB. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


== Great work on Dawn of the Dead(1978) ==
== Great work on Dawn of the Dead(1978) ==
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Do you want a gun photograph of a S&W 916A?  I have one in the warehouse, but it will take a few weeks to get to it  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Do you want a gun photograph of a S&W 916A?  I have one in the warehouse, but it will take a few weeks to get to it  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


==Dragon is indeed a G36K==
I've uploaded an image which makes the similarity clearer; sure, it's a very blocky G36K with a lot of parts either completely wrong or at least oddly placed [like the whole trigger group and reciever being dropped down by the width of the barrel shroud], but then the AR34 and Sniper Rifle are hardly going to win awards for being faithful reproductions of the FAMAS and WA2000 either. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 01:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
*There's plenty of resemblance. If you take into account that the whole rear of the gun is dropped by the width of the shroud, the trigger group and magazine well are very close. The barrel shroud is long and thin, the stock is a similar shape but upside-down, and the flash suppressor is identical to that of a G36K. Again, none of the weapons are that close to the ones they're based on; if you could find me a wood-furnished P90 with angular grips and a white magazine taking up most of the gun's midsection we can talk about how the Dragon isn't a G36K just because it's a mess.<br><br>The Falcon 2 is clearly M1911-derived, and only looks more like the Double Eagle because it's extremely similified; the identical sight indicates it's based on the AMT Hardballer Longslide from Terminator, so that's what should go there. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 01:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
*In addition, please stop reverting to a version of the page that includes a number of errors. Two people have added that it's a G36 to the article, entirely seperately of each other. This implies you should at least listen to the arguments to that effect rather than reverting it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 01:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
*Similar, yes, but the kicker is that the Falcon 2 was obviously designed with reference to a ''specific'' movie prop, so the resemblance to the Double Eagle is probably just because the Hardballer ''also'' looks like a Double Eagle. Colour the lever at the back of the Hardballer's slide black, and you get a black area the same shape as the grip of the Falcon 2. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 02:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
*Hold on, I'll upload a picture that shows the resemblancer better; it's not that clear looking at the right-hand side of the prop, but the scope mount of the PD sight is virtually identical, as is the overall shape of it and the length relative to the gun. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 02:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
**Done. Granted, the mounting is turned backwards and the scope is the same at both ends, but you can certainly see what I'm talking about now, yes? [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 02:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
*I wouldn't call that particularly conclusive, given the gross differences in some of the other guns [WA2000 scope, etc]. Certainly the Hardballer has to come first because it's obvious the most commonly depicted version [scoped, used in most promo renders] was based on a specific movie prop; I suppose the most obvious explanation was they thought the Double Eagle was the short version of the Hardballer and so we get a weird hybrid gun. I've already added a note regarding the grip shape to the article, you could probably add that in the same place. But again, Rare's N64 games aren't exactly renowned for accurate weapon depictions; neither gun has a grip which extends above the trigger. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 02:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
== Hey AdAstra ==
I see you are screencapping alot of pages. That's nice, but you need to give the images captions and use proper grammar, man. You also need to put gun pictures into the sections. If you do that, then the pages would be complete.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but you need to put some kind of caption. Even if the captions are incredebly generic, there must be captions. The captions under the images are part of the format of the pages in this site.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
== ''America's Army 3'' Screenshots ==
Hey, just saw the screenshots you posted on ''[[America's Army 3]]'', where did you get them? Is the game out yet? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 02:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
== Goldeneye ==
Good job with Goldeneye Astra. You just need to put periods at the end of every description.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hi,
:Thanks for adding all the extra screenshots to Goldeneye (including guns I missed), but please be sure that (1.) You are following proper format (screencaps should be 500-600px, not 800px), and (2.) That you use proper grammar, spelling, and gun page links. Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


==Goldeneye: 1911 type pistol==
==Goldeneye: 1911 type pistol==
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hi im new here and i need help figuring out how to make a new page correctly your help would really be appreciated - [[User:Shooter|Shooter]]
hi im new here and i need help figuring out how to make a new page correctly your help would really be appreciated - [[User:Shooter|Shooter]]
== Screencap ==
no i dont know how to - [[User:Shooter|Shooter]]
== Thanx ==
Thanx for the help i really appreciate it - [[User:Shooter|Shooter]]


==X2==
==X2==
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That's true, but in this case the body of the grenade is too thin to be the grenade you posted the link to, so the M84 would be the better comparison. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
That's true, but in this case the body of the grenade is too thin to be the grenade you posted the link to, so the M84 would be the better comparison. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


== Re: X2 Miscellaneous Section ==
==Fictional Weapons==
Most agree fictional weapons can be added for trivial purposes and to confirm the weapon in question is fictional and not a prop. This does NOT mean games like Halo can be added, because they are computer generated designs with little to no real world influence. So movie fictional weapons can stay, but NOT video game or anime ones. That's my vote. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Well the partical cannon does have some obvious basis on the M60 machine gun. But really, if he was willing to the put the effort into it, it's his right as the page's biggest contributor to keep them for trivial purposes. You yourself don't have to do so, but since he made the page it is his little right. Like you add miscelaneous stuff, every contributor can add their own little touch to a page. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
==Operation Dumbo Drop==
I was going to screencap this movie (gotta love the fact that they only released a lame 4:3 aspect ratio FULL FRAME version of this movie), but I must say I am impressed by your screencaps.  They are clearer and sharper than the screencaps I was able to get from the DVD.  I am glad you screencapped the film.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Day of the Dead Pics ==
 
Good job changing the low quality photos on [[Day of the dead]] they where pretty bad.
 
== Night of the Living Dead ==
 
Its sweet now that the whole dead series (Not counting the upcoming one) are screencap. It was kinda wierd doing night because the film itself is very dark and grainy but the pics came out alright. I just finished screencaping The Thing, and next Im going to do They Live.
 
== They Live ==
 
Yeah They Live kicks ass, but the page it has on here right now sucks. Its gonna take a little while but Ill let you know when Im done with it. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 04:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 
==Re:==
 
Actually, the Beretta seen on the ''[[Lethal Weapon 4]]'' is definitely not the one used in the first ''[[Lethal Weapon]]''. That's just a mistake that MoviePropMaster made when he uploaded the picture because he got confused what Mike Papac told him.  The Beretta used in the first ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' is actually, by most sources, the one that was also used in ''[[Die Hard]]'' (and that one is distinctive because of the fact that it has a custom extended slide release, though this was apparently added after ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' for Bruce Willis' benefit, since he's a lefty).
 
Anyway, we're not 100% sure the Beretta on the ''[[Lethal Weapon 4]]'' page was actually in that movie, but there's good reason to suspect it was.  Remember that all of these movies had a common denominator - they were supplied by the same armory (Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry), and the armorer, Mike Papac, worked on all of these films.  That makes it fairly easy to be sure that he would use the same gun repeatedly. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 
::'''''That's just a mistake that MoviePropMaster made when he uploaded the picture because he got confused what Mike Papac told him. '' '''
::Ahem, that's what MT2008 wrote.  That's not true.  I did not make a mistake.  I was not confused.  I told him exactly what the gun's owner, Mike Papac told me.  In fact I was confused when I first heard it from Mike, but I usually don't question information from the gun's owner.  So I just passed the info along.  But I want to clear this up.  Any confusion is from the source, not from me.  :)  I hate it when I get blamed for something I didn't do. ;)  best regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 
==(here is a note I've been posting around IMFDB)==
''I recently had the unpleasant experience of having some of the performers being insulted in some of our movie pages see what some of the IMFDB members write.  there are some pretty condescending remarks regarding horrible grips, gun stance, bad gun discipline and blinking while shooting.  I'm trying to promote the website and it's embarrassing to see actors getting insulted for pretty trivial reasons.  What are your thoughts regarding this?
 
See below:''
 
 
'''I'm asking all members to stop with the sarcastic comments in the screencap descriptions'''
Too many members feel it's funny to be extremely sarcastic about actor's shooting stance, their blinking, their pistol grips.  Only if it's so over the top as for the average person to notice, then don't keep on harping on it.  Most actors are given only a bare amount of time to train, if at all.  Many times the editor picks the worst take for pistol grip, but best take for other reasons like acting.  Also much of the blame falls on the director.  Some directors don't want to be bothered trying to train the actors and don't allow us armorers to even give them more training than the minimum safety training.  People in the industry check out this website, and some think we're a bunch of obnoxious kids.  I am not happy when people in 'the biz' look at the site and scoff at the snarky remarks.  Some of them are the actual actors being insulted.  We can always put in criticism, but IMFDB members going forward going to criticize a film, should try to do so in a scholarly manner or not at all.  Thanks for your cooperation [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== They Live Completed ==
 
I am finally finished They Live. It turns out that there was a lot more firearms in that movie than I remembered lol. But you can check it out now if you want. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 09:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 
==Robert Hays==
If you're gonna create a Robert Hays page, you had better screencap Fifty/Fifty!!!!  He fires a ton of weapons in that film!  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 
==You won't believe this==
Score!  I've been holding off uploading these because I'm still waiting on an image for the [[Heartbreak Ridge]] page (their weapons are set up slightly differently) so I hope people will wait to update that page until I can get a good image for that page.
 
===Say Hello to My Little Friend!!!===
[[Scarface]] fans will crap in their pants.  Got the ACTUAL '''screen used''' LITTLE FRIEND.  Now I used black gaffers tape and taped two 30 round magazines together as best I could (to try to match the screenshots).  Do you think that was smart? or should I just present it with a plain magazine?  Anyway, I did that because I wanted people to see it as it was most seen in the movie (Wow that launcher is beat up, it's been 25 years after all since the movie was filmed!!!!)  It is also the old launchers that were used before the Cobray 37mm launchers became prevalent. 
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony Montanas' 'Little Friend' from the movie [[Scarface]] - Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16A1 - 5.56mm/39mm]]
 
===Screen used Zabala Shotgun===
This IS the gun used by 'The Skull' [[Geno Silva]] to blast Tony Montana in the movie.  I also included a closeup shot of the top of the gun to show the markings.
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun_Scarface.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie [[Scarface]] - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:SBS-ShotgunTOP_Scarface.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Top of the Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie [[Scarface]] - 12 gauge.  Note manufacturer markings on the top of the shotgun.]]
 
===RUN! GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!!!===
Recognize this lovely?  I've been waiting to get pics for the [[Predator]] page for a while.  So many weapons have either been sold off or taken apart and reconfigured for other movies. 
[[Image:M16M203PredatorCombo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16/SP1 Rilfe - 5.56mm/39mm.  Configured as it appeared in the movie.]]
 
'''IMFDB is the only place in the WORLD, now that has these images.  How cool is that?''' :)    I got some screen used muskets from Last of the Mohicans (from private collections), which is interesting since I usually don't get many pre 1848 weapons.
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 
==BTW you do great work==
You understand the rules and the mission statement of this site. :)  It's good to see members who get it.  So are the anonymous users getting under your skin yet? ;)  LOL.    It's not just about dumping every conceivable screencap on a page or endless mindless snarky comments.  Just wanted to drop a line to compliment your good work at making the site as professional as possible. :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 
==District 9==
 
Nice job on the page!  I was actually planning on doing this movie myself (just saw it last night), but you did a great job, so I think it's all good.
 
One thing - the guns that you labeled as Norinco Type 84s have milled receivers - which the factory Type 84 didn't have.  They look to me like Vektor R4/R5 rifles that have been modified to look more like older-model AKs (the receivers appear very Vektor-like). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== Creating Actor Pages ==
 
If you're going to make actor pages, please use the new table format.  You can use the [[Anthony Mackie]] page as an example. 
--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 
== Hooah! ==
 
Just took a look at your userpage and saw that you're in the Army. How long have you been in for? Also, congrats on the Expert marksmanship badge. Do you still play ''[[America's Army]]'' now that you're doing the real thing? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 02:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 
==Whoa! Why are you changing the section headers?==
The IMFDB protocol is that you default to the 2nd highest level of "="  Single "=" is a MAJOR Section header and is not often used, but the default is "==" when there is no other subsection that can be added.  You don't default to the LOWEST section header "===".  All the pages are supposed to default to "==" and only add "===" when a subsection is added.  You just changed an entire page the wrong way.  Now there are a lot of pages that are done like that but I've been changing them back to the original format as done by Bunni back when the site was first created.  Usually until we come up with a vote between Mods, Bunni's original formatting is the standard until formally declared to be otherwise :)  Thanks.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 
==Specifications==
I see, ok you can have those deleted, but I don't see how it looks so confusing.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 10:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 
==Glad someone finally sees things my way==
 
I saw you put the nuke tags up on some of the documentary pages. I've considered those articles an eyesore on this site for quite some time, and I'm glad to see someone finally agrees with me. Now that the termination of these pages has been greenlighted, I'm planning to initiate a mass purge on these pages within the next 24 hours. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 
==Re: RE Documenaries==
 
I would have done this long ago, but every time I brought up the idea of deleting a documentary, the pro-documentary users would bitch at me. Now I finally have a precedent and support from other admins on my side. I'm expecting to catch some grief for the purge, but at least now I have justification backing me up. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 00:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 
== I posted a reply. ==
 
I posted a reply to your subject in the forum about the dynamite page, just wanted to make sure you see it. P.S. the pics you added to your user page look badass dude.  --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 18:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 
==Trivia==
I think what makes the X2 page a little difficult to decide upon, is that there are multiple cases of non gun related trivia (vehicle, holster, knife, etc.) and we tend to avoid putting all of those on the original movie page.  If there was just ONE or TWO general trivia note (i.e. the dogtags) then no one would notice.  In the old days we had trivia sections all over the place, but then there would always be that one member who really PUSHED the envelope with 20 or 30 trivia notes.  I think that was when many members soured on the trivia, due to the abuse by some.  So we tried to limit the trivia (and grandfathered 'some pages' that weren't ridiculous) just put a few or one trivia section on a page, but ...Another problem I think is with 'politics'.  Potentially each person can put a different general trivia item on a page and then 'argue' as to why theirs was not the one selected to be on the main page.  This has happened before.  Now it's not explicitly stated on the rules page, but when there is a sizeable amount of general trivia, (like Terminator 2) it goes on the Discussion page.  I myself have put a series of general trivia on some pages, but I put all of them on the page, but then I didn't make the images too large and they didn't clutter the main movie page.  What helps here is actual widescreen shots (not full screen which show up too large due to aspect ratio) and shots that aren't too big.  Shots that are too big draw our attention to them, and away from the main gun entries on the page.  Your trivia is in a grey zone.  Arguabley it is NOT against the rules and other pages have just as much 'general' trivia.  Be patient and just wait a little while.  I (and other fellow mods) will revisit this and take a serious (and fresh) look at the page to see how it flows with or without the extra trivia.  Thanks.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
P.S. It sucks but we may have to formalize trivia rules again, just to make sure we maintain an even standard.
 
::Sorry I'm late, but yeah, we don't want to try and limit trivia from getting too extensive, bearing in mind that our site exists to document guns in movies and we can't go too far outside the scope. Personally, I would be OK keeping the holsters on the page, but not the other stuff. On the other hand, I'm not sure why he removed the behind-the-scenes pictures of Stryker's men posing with Hugh Jackman and their P90s on display; that is quite gun-related. I'm also not sure why Orca didn't reply back to you, but he just may be busy, or forgot (I can relate...I've done the same thing sometimes). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
==Re: Regarding Trivia==
 
If you want to restore it, be my guest. Getting a bit tired of the double-standards around here, like some of the other admins turning on me when I tried to enforce the documentary page purge. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
==Militia==
Even though it is a CRAP movie, good job on the Militia page.  If you don't mind, I intend to comment on the stock footage that director JIM WYNORSKI (whom I despise personally and professionally) lifted wholesale from Terminator 2.  If you notice, the entire SWAT raid on the Cyberdyne building is stock footage from the Terminator film.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:Then no need for me to do it.  You got it covered.  Wynorski is INFAMOUS for rehashing old footage from other movies.  Literally 40% of every movie he 'makes' is from other movies.  The guy is craptacularly bad.  Just be sure to let everyone know that WE at IMFDB aren't fooled for a minute by this guy! LOL.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)I have a question regarding your Militia screenshots. How come your screenshots of Militia are 1920 x 1200 while the dvd copies of Militia are in a rather smaller resolution? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:16, 26 June 2011 (CDT)
 
==Battle LA==
I'm curious what indicates the helmet cover is backwards.  Now I"m not familiar with all incarnations of the MICH helmet cover, and not the Marpat types, but it looks like the interim MICH cover with the big flap in front to accomodate the newer NVG mounts like the 3 hole Notoros  mount or late model Rhino clips.  Now I'm more familiar with Army covers than Marine ones, but it sure looks like a flattened front flap covered with an old Rhino NVG Clip.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:31, 3 July 2011 (CDT)
 
== Vektor Z88 in District 9 ==
 
Thanks for an excellent page on 'District 9', good work! I saw the movie this weekend and think it was awesome.
One question; wouldn't you say that the gun you describe as 'Beretta 92FS' is more likely a 'Vektor Z88'? There is no way telling really but since the movie has many Vektor guns and the Z88 has been a service pistol in South Africa (local licensed production), I would say it's more probable a Z88 than a 92FS.
Somewhere in the coming days I will revise accordingly, hope you don't mind. Thanks again for the page and take care.--[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 07:08, 19 July 2011 (CDT)
 
Please ignore my above comment. I learned from another user (protoAuthor) that Olly Steele has actually reviewed the District 9 page and thus the gun in question will have been correctly identified by him as an 92FS. Sorry to have bothered you --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 03:43, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
 
==MICH helmet flap==
Now I see.  The reason for the confusion is that so many vendors SELL the mich helmet covers with the flap on the front.  Like other older vets, I get conflicting info from other vets who 'claim' to know what these are about, but I left when we still had the Fritz. So now I have to look up everything.  Kinda confusing when the companies themselves pitch the product like this!:
[[File:ACU MIch Cover.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
But I finally acquired the ARMY manual for the MICH helmet and yes, the flap is in the back for COMM cables, though I am not sure exactly WHAT comm cables would be used.  Everyone I've seen with a radio headset doesn't attach the cables through their helmet covers so it must something new.  From what I can find out there are THREE distinct MICH helmet covers, the first pattern (which was the plain one) when the helmet first came out in 2006, the 2nd model with a small hole for NVG and goggle retention flaps, and the new current model which has this big flap (for comm cables), three IR square Identification tabs (with velcro covers to hide them) and holes for the Goggle retention straps.  Thanks for the update.  Thanks for the help with updating the page.  I yield to your expertise on this :D  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:51, 30 July 2011 (CDT)
 
== Specifications (2) ==
 
The rule says minimum, not maximum. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:41, 6 November 2011 (CST)
 
== Nuke tag ==
 
When I've said something qualifies for inclusion on the forums, the correct response is not to add a tag to the page saying it doesn't. Doom is borderline and needs work, but Alien Resurrection is clear precedent that "things that can be confused for guns" should be ID'd as not guns. Punisher has a bunch of stuff that needs removing, but that's no good reason to delete the entire page.  [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:46, 29 March 2012 (CDT)
:Um...''Doom's'' weapons, as noted on the page, are not just drawings, the animations are made from digital photographs of physical objects. That part is actually pretty well known, the part that none of the weapons were real, even the reasonably real-looking shotguns and pistol, is much less well known; even the guy who made the page apparently wasn't aware the devs have stated the pistol was a replica. I believe the last ''Doom'' article was deleted because (a) it didn't point this out, (b) it contained all of the other weapons as well and all the really scifish weapons from ''Doom 3'', and (c) it was terrible in terms of formatting and quality. While, as said, it's a borderline case and at present a weak article, I think with some work on my part it could end up as something worthwhile. I'd ask you at least wait until I take the inprogress tag off it before any further discussion.
:If you mean ''The Punisher'', I see your point regarding the in-game "M1911," though that's worth showing because it's supposed to be the same weapon as in the cutscenes. Weapons like the Thompson and the M16 muzzles shown, however, go way above the kind of "Elmer Fudd" no-detail gun that rule is supposed to prevent.
: The statement on resolution in the anime rules, given the context (ie, saying the images will be ''replaced''), is about uploading images which are of much lower resolution than the source, not about images which are natively low-res. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/LPat/1051885333-00.gif This] is a low-res image (source 640x255, 6bpp, from an old game called ''The Lost Patrol''), but I don't think anyone could argue it's impossible or even difficult to identify the weapon in it. Sure, we might have to reconsider if we suddenly get a very large number of old games screencapped with dubious images, but we'll deal with that if it ever actually happens.  [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:17, 31 March 2012 (CDT)
 
== Chronological order ==
 
MPM told me directly to ''not'' use chronological order and group weapons by increasing size when I was re-working the page for the movie ''Stealth'' (largely because the first two weapons in that movie are a 40mm Bofors gun and an M167 VADS). While there's no rule that states it directly, this is the current article standard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:17, 20 April 2012 (CDT)


It just seemed to be a bit excessive for the main article to me, since the article is supposed to be covering the weapons used in the film, not extra stuff like that. I didn't delete anything, just moved it intact. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:33, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well, here's a copy-paste of what MPM told me.


== ''AA'' Usernames? ==
::''The standard format for IMFDB is to start with the smallest weapons first and move towards bigger ones. The page as it is now is really jarring since the GUN PLATFORMS and CREW SERVED weapons are first. That's the opposite of how IMFDB pages have been traditionally. MoviePropMaster2008 02:48, 12 July 2011 (CDT)''


Hey, I was just wondering what your username is in ''[[America's Army]]'' and ''[[America's Army 3]]'', so I can add you to my battle buddy list and recognize you when playing online? My usernames are Orca19904 and Orca1, respectively. Would also like to check out your profiles to see how you've been doing in training in both games. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'd guess that would supercede something that happened a couple of years back. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:39, 20 April 2012 (CDT)

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Thanks for the comment

I worked pretty hard to get The Devil's Rejects page in order. When I first went to the page all that was there was a list of firearms and brief descriptions. I added all those photos, but I didnt screencap any of them myself. Most are studio released screenshots or promo pics. I am going to try and screencap some pics myself from a verison of the movie I downloaded(not the best quality). But thanks for first comment I ever got on the site.--Mauser 17:41, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


Re: America's Army

Actually, if you look at the magazine curve of the AK-103/GP-30 compared to the magazines of the AKS-74U below it on the table, you'll see that the magazine loaded in the top AK is more curved than the AKS-74U's mags. As for the sniper rifle, the stock and handguard design match those of the FPK/PSL, which are noticably different than those of the Dragunov. Below are images of both rifles to show the differences:

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FPK/PSL sniper rifle 7.62x54mm R
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SVD Dragunov sniper rifle 7.62x54mm R

Orca1 9904 01:00, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


Great work on Dawn of the Dead(1978)

Great work. Looks good.

Smith & wesson 916A

Do you want a gun photograph of a S&W 916A? I have one in the warehouse, but it will take a few weeks to get to it MoviePropMaster2008 02:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


Goldeneye: 1911 type pistol

I think this is an MAS/MAC Model 1950, a French-made pistol that used to be their service sidearm (before they switched to a license-made copy of the Beretta 92F): http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg88-e.htm -MT2008 02:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I second this-S&Wshooter 02:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
We can use the one on World Guns, for now. Eventually, I'm sure MPM or Steve can get us a good picture of one, though I think they have enough on their plate at the moment... -MT2008 02:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Incomplete Category

Hey AdAstra2009, thanks for creating the incomplete category. It's now much easier to see which pages need to finished or revamped without them being all over the place.--Alienqueen11 03:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Leon (The Professional)

Okay, will do. I'll add his grenades too, since they play more into the extended cut. I own the special deluxe edition. - Gunmaster45

Yeah, the Deluxe was $14.99 plus tax at Best Buy, I was actually lucky because they only had one copy of it. Right now I'll be uploading Running Scared for Predator20 and simultaneously helping him do Apocalypse Now. - Gunmaster45
Yeah, it's pretty shocking. Now Predator20 has finally taken up the task, which is good. - Gunmaster45
Would you mind if I replaced some of your screencaps with a single side-by-side? It saves space, like the three shots of Willy Blood's AP9 showing off continuity error. Three side-by-side shots as one image would still convey this in a more orderly fashion and reduce screencap repetion. If you'd rather I didn't, that's fine, but I'm just asking. - Gunmaster45

Noob

hi im new here and i need help figuring out how to make a new page correctly your help would really be appreciated - Shooter

X2

Since you're working on X2 now, I figured you might like these:

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In this one, you can see Hugh Jackman posing with them.

-MT2008

I got 'em from the web site of Def Con 5. They also have behind-the-scenes pictures from X3. -MT2008

Re: RE X2 Frag Grenade

That's true, but in this case the body of the grenade is too thin to be the grenade you posted the link to, so the M84 would be the better comparison. Orca1 9904 04:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Fictional Weapons

Most agree fictional weapons can be added for trivial purposes and to confirm the weapon in question is fictional and not a prop. This does NOT mean games like Halo can be added, because they are computer generated designs with little to no real world influence. So movie fictional weapons can stay, but NOT video game or anime ones. That's my vote. - Gunmaster45

Well the partical cannon does have some obvious basis on the M60 machine gun. But really, if he was willing to the put the effort into it, it's his right as the page's biggest contributor to keep them for trivial purposes. You yourself don't have to do so, but since he made the page it is his little right. Like you add miscelaneous stuff, every contributor can add their own little touch to a page. - Gunmaster45

Operation Dumbo Drop

I was going to screencap this movie (gotta love the fact that they only released a lame 4:3 aspect ratio FULL FRAME version of this movie), but I must say I am impressed by your screencaps. They are clearer and sharper than the screencaps I was able to get from the DVD. I am glad you screencapped the film. MoviePropMaster2008 06:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


Day of the Dead Pics

Good job changing the low quality photos on Day of the dead they where pretty bad.

Night of the Living Dead

Its sweet now that the whole dead series (Not counting the upcoming one) are screencap. It was kinda wierd doing night because the film itself is very dark and grainy but the pics came out alright. I just finished screencaping The Thing, and next Im going to do They Live.

They Live

Yeah They Live kicks ass, but the page it has on here right now sucks. Its gonna take a little while but Ill let you know when Im done with it. --Mauser 04:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:

Actually, the Beretta seen on the Lethal Weapon 4 is definitely not the one used in the first Lethal Weapon. That's just a mistake that MoviePropMaster made when he uploaded the picture because he got confused what Mike Papac told him. The Beretta used in the first Lethal Weapon is actually, by most sources, the one that was also used in Die Hard (and that one is distinctive because of the fact that it has a custom extended slide release, though this was apparently added after Lethal Weapon for Bruce Willis' benefit, since he's a lefty).

Anyway, we're not 100% sure the Beretta on the Lethal Weapon 4 page was actually in that movie, but there's good reason to suspect it was. Remember that all of these movies had a common denominator - they were supplied by the same armory (Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry), and the armorer, Mike Papac, worked on all of these films. That makes it fairly easy to be sure that he would use the same gun repeatedly. -MT2008 03:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

That's just a mistake that MoviePropMaster made when he uploaded the picture because he got confused what Mike Papac told him.
Ahem, that's what MT2008 wrote. That's not true. I did not make a mistake. I was not confused. I told him exactly what the gun's owner, Mike Papac told me. In fact I was confused when I first heard it from Mike, but I usually don't question information from the gun's owner. So I just passed the info along. But I want to clear this up. Any confusion is from the source, not from me.  :) I hate it when I get blamed for something I didn't do. ;) best regards MoviePropMaster2008 23:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

(here is a note I've been posting around IMFDB)

I recently had the unpleasant experience of having some of the performers being insulted in some of our movie pages see what some of the IMFDB members write. there are some pretty condescending remarks regarding horrible grips, gun stance, bad gun discipline and blinking while shooting. I'm trying to promote the website and it's embarrassing to see actors getting insulted for pretty trivial reasons. What are your thoughts regarding this?

See below:


I'm asking all members to stop with the sarcastic comments in the screencap descriptions Too many members feel it's funny to be extremely sarcastic about actor's shooting stance, their blinking, their pistol grips. Only if it's so over the top as for the average person to notice, then don't keep on harping on it. Most actors are given only a bare amount of time to train, if at all. Many times the editor picks the worst take for pistol grip, but best take for other reasons like acting. Also much of the blame falls on the director. Some directors don't want to be bothered trying to train the actors and don't allow us armorers to even give them more training than the minimum safety training. People in the industry check out this website, and some think we're a bunch of obnoxious kids. I am not happy when people in 'the biz' look at the site and scoff at the snarky remarks. Some of them are the actual actors being insulted. We can always put in criticism, but IMFDB members going forward going to criticize a film, should try to do so in a scholarly manner or not at all. Thanks for your cooperation MoviePropMaster2008 05:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


They Live Completed

I am finally finished They Live. It turns out that there was a lot more firearms in that movie than I remembered lol. But you can check it out now if you want. --Mauser 09:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Robert Hays

If you're gonna create a Robert Hays page, you had better screencap Fifty/Fifty!!!! He fires a ton of weapons in that film!  :) MoviePropMaster2008 23:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

You won't believe this

Score! I've been holding off uploading these because I'm still waiting on an image for the Heartbreak Ridge page (their weapons are set up slightly differently) so I hope people will wait to update that page until I can get a good image for that page.

Say Hello to My Little Friend!!!

Scarface fans will crap in their pants. Got the ACTUAL screen used LITTLE FRIEND. Now I used black gaffers tape and taped two 30 round magazines together as best I could (to try to match the screenshots). Do you think that was smart? or should I just present it with a plain magazine? Anyway, I did that because I wanted people to see it as it was most seen in the movie (Wow that launcher is beat up, it's been 25 years after all since the movie was filmed!!!!) It is also the old launchers that were used before the Cobray 37mm launchers became prevalent.

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Tony Montanas' 'Little Friend' from the movie Scarface - Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16A1 - 5.56mm/39mm

Screen used Zabala Shotgun

This IS the gun used by 'The Skull' Geno Silva to blast Tony Montana in the movie. I also included a closeup shot of the top of the gun to show the markings.

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Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie Scarface - 12 gauge
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Top of the Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie Scarface - 12 gauge. Note manufacturer markings on the top of the shotgun.

RUN! GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!!!

Recognize this lovely? I've been waiting to get pics for the Predator page for a while. So many weapons have either been sold off or taken apart and reconfigured for other movies.

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Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16/SP1 Rilfe - 5.56mm/39mm. Configured as it appeared in the movie.

IMFDB is the only place in the WORLD, now that has these images. How cool is that? :) I got some screen used muskets from Last of the Mohicans (from private collections), which is interesting since I usually don't get many pre 1848 weapons. MoviePropMaster2008 03:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

BTW you do great work

You understand the rules and the mission statement of this site. :) It's good to see members who get it. So are the anonymous users getting under your skin yet? ;) LOL. It's not just about dumping every conceivable screencap on a page or endless mindless snarky comments. Just wanted to drop a line to compliment your good work at making the site as professional as possible. :) MoviePropMaster2008 22:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

District 9

Nice job on the page! I was actually planning on doing this movie myself (just saw it last night), but you did a great job, so I think it's all good.

One thing - the guns that you labeled as Norinco Type 84s have milled receivers - which the factory Type 84 didn't have. They look to me like Vektor R4/R5 rifles that have been modified to look more like older-model AKs (the receivers appear very Vektor-like). -MT2008 15:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Creating Actor Pages

If you're going to make actor pages, please use the new table format. You can use the Anthony Mackie page as an example. --Ben41 04:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Hooah!

Just took a look at your userpage and saw that you're in the Army. How long have you been in for? Also, congrats on the Expert marksmanship badge. Do you still play America's Army now that you're doing the real thing? Orca1 9904 02:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Whoa! Why are you changing the section headers?

The IMFDB protocol is that you default to the 2nd highest level of "=" Single "=" is a MAJOR Section header and is not often used, but the default is "==" when there is no other subsection that can be added. You don't default to the LOWEST section header "===". All the pages are supposed to default to "==" and only add "===" when a subsection is added. You just changed an entire page the wrong way. Now there are a lot of pages that are done like that but I've been changing them back to the original format as done by Bunni back when the site was first created. Usually until we come up with a vote between Mods, Bunni's original formatting is the standard until formally declared to be otherwise :) Thanks. MoviePropMaster2008 04:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Specifications

I see, ok you can have those deleted, but I don't see how it looks so confusing.--SB2296 10:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Glad someone finally sees things my way

I saw you put the nuke tags up on some of the documentary pages. I've considered those articles an eyesore on this site for quite some time, and I'm glad to see someone finally agrees with me. Now that the termination of these pages has been greenlighted, I'm planning to initiate a mass purge on these pages within the next 24 hours. Orca1 9904 21:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: RE Documenaries

I would have done this long ago, but every time I brought up the idea of deleting a documentary, the pro-documentary users would bitch at me. Now I finally have a precedent and support from other admins on my side. I'm expecting to catch some grief for the purge, but at least now I have justification backing me up. Orca1 9904 00:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I posted a reply.

I posted a reply to your subject in the forum about the dynamite page, just wanted to make sure you see it. P.S. the pics you added to your user page look badass dude. --Mauser 18:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

I think what makes the X2 page a little difficult to decide upon, is that there are multiple cases of non gun related trivia (vehicle, holster, knife, etc.) and we tend to avoid putting all of those on the original movie page. If there was just ONE or TWO general trivia note (i.e. the dogtags) then no one would notice. In the old days we had trivia sections all over the place, but then there would always be that one member who really PUSHED the envelope with 20 or 30 trivia notes. I think that was when many members soured on the trivia, due to the abuse by some. So we tried to limit the trivia (and grandfathered 'some pages' that weren't ridiculous) just put a few or one trivia section on a page, but ...Another problem I think is with 'politics'. Potentially each person can put a different general trivia item on a page and then 'argue' as to why theirs was not the one selected to be on the main page. This has happened before. Now it's not explicitly stated on the rules page, but when there is a sizeable amount of general trivia, (like Terminator 2) it goes on the Discussion page. I myself have put a series of general trivia on some pages, but I put all of them on the page, but then I didn't make the images too large and they didn't clutter the main movie page. What helps here is actual widescreen shots (not full screen which show up too large due to aspect ratio) and shots that aren't too big. Shots that are too big draw our attention to them, and away from the main gun entries on the page. Your trivia is in a grey zone. Arguabley it is NOT against the rules and other pages have just as much 'general' trivia. Be patient and just wait a little while. I (and other fellow mods) will revisit this and take a serious (and fresh) look at the page to see how it flows with or without the extra trivia. Thanks. MoviePropMaster2008 P.S. It sucks but we may have to formalize trivia rules again, just to make sure we maintain an even standard.

Sorry I'm late, but yeah, we don't want to try and limit trivia from getting too extensive, bearing in mind that our site exists to document guns in movies and we can't go too far outside the scope. Personally, I would be OK keeping the holsters on the page, but not the other stuff. On the other hand, I'm not sure why he removed the behind-the-scenes pictures of Stryker's men posing with Hugh Jackman and their P90s on display; that is quite gun-related. I'm also not sure why Orca didn't reply back to you, but he just may be busy, or forgot (I can relate...I've done the same thing sometimes). -MT2008 21:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Regarding Trivia

If you want to restore it, be my guest. Getting a bit tired of the double-standards around here, like some of the other admins turning on me when I tried to enforce the documentary page purge. Orca1 9904 23:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Militia

Even though it is a CRAP movie, good job on the Militia page. If you don't mind, I intend to comment on the stock footage that director JIM WYNORSKI (whom I despise personally and professionally) lifted wholesale from Terminator 2. If you notice, the entire SWAT raid on the Cyberdyne building is stock footage from the Terminator film.  :) MoviePropMaster2008 06:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Then no need for me to do it. You got it covered. Wynorski is INFAMOUS for rehashing old footage from other movies. Literally 40% of every movie he 'makes' is from other movies. The guy is craptacularly bad. Just be sure to let everyone know that WE at IMFDB aren't fooled for a minute by this guy! LOL. MoviePropMaster2008 06:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)I have a question regarding your Militia screenshots. How come your screenshots of Militia are 1920 x 1200 while the dvd copies of Militia are in a rather smaller resolution? - Kenny99 19:16, 26 June 2011 (CDT)

Battle LA

I'm curious what indicates the helmet cover is backwards. Now I"m not familiar with all incarnations of the MICH helmet cover, and not the Marpat types, but it looks like the interim MICH cover with the big flap in front to accomodate the newer NVG mounts like the 3 hole Notoros mount or late model Rhino clips. Now I'm more familiar with Army covers than Marine ones, but it sure looks like a flattened front flap covered with an old Rhino NVG Clip.  :) MoviePropMaster2008 19:31, 3 July 2011 (CDT)

Vektor Z88 in District 9

Thanks for an excellent page on 'District 9', good work! I saw the movie this weekend and think it was awesome.

One question; wouldn't you say that the gun you describe as 'Beretta 92FS' is more likely a 'Vektor Z88'? There is no way telling really but since the movie has many Vektor guns and the Z88 has been a service pistol in South Africa (local licensed production), I would say it's more probable a Z88 than a 92FS.

Somewhere in the coming days I will revise accordingly, hope you don't mind. Thanks again for the page and take care.--PeeWee055 07:08, 19 July 2011 (CDT)

Please ignore my above comment. I learned from another user (protoAuthor) that Olly Steele has actually reviewed the District 9 page and thus the gun in question will have been correctly identified by him as an 92FS. Sorry to have bothered you --PeeWee055 03:43, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

MICH helmet flap

Now I see. The reason for the confusion is that so many vendors SELL the mich helmet covers with the flap on the front. Like other older vets, I get conflicting info from other vets who 'claim' to know what these are about, but I left when we still had the Fritz. So now I have to look up everything. Kinda confusing when the companies themselves pitch the product like this!:

But I finally acquired the ARMY manual for the MICH helmet and yes, the flap is in the back for COMM cables, though I am not sure exactly WHAT comm cables would be used. Everyone I've seen with a radio headset doesn't attach the cables through their helmet covers so it must something new. From what I can find out there are THREE distinct MICH helmet covers, the first pattern (which was the plain one) when the helmet first came out in 2006, the 2nd model with a small hole for NVG and goggle retention flaps, and the new current model which has this big flap (for comm cables), three IR square Identification tabs (with velcro covers to hide them) and holes for the Goggle retention straps. Thanks for the update. Thanks for the help with updating the page. I yield to your expertise on this :D MoviePropMaster2008 14:51, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Specifications (2)

The rule says minimum, not maximum. Evil Tim 05:41, 6 November 2011 (CST)

Nuke tag

When I've said something qualifies for inclusion on the forums, the correct response is not to add a tag to the page saying it doesn't. Doom is borderline and needs work, but Alien Resurrection is clear precedent that "things that can be confused for guns" should be ID'd as not guns. Punisher has a bunch of stuff that needs removing, but that's no good reason to delete the entire page. Evil Tim 15:46, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

Um...Doom's weapons, as noted on the page, are not just drawings, the animations are made from digital photographs of physical objects. That part is actually pretty well known, the part that none of the weapons were real, even the reasonably real-looking shotguns and pistol, is much less well known; even the guy who made the page apparently wasn't aware the devs have stated the pistol was a replica. I believe the last Doom article was deleted because (a) it didn't point this out, (b) it contained all of the other weapons as well and all the really scifish weapons from Doom 3, and (c) it was terrible in terms of formatting and quality. While, as said, it's a borderline case and at present a weak article, I think with some work on my part it could end up as something worthwhile. I'd ask you at least wait until I take the inprogress tag off it before any further discussion.
If you mean The Punisher, I see your point regarding the in-game "M1911," though that's worth showing because it's supposed to be the same weapon as in the cutscenes. Weapons like the Thompson and the M16 muzzles shown, however, go way above the kind of "Elmer Fudd" no-detail gun that rule is supposed to prevent.
The statement on resolution in the anime rules, given the context (ie, saying the images will be replaced), is about uploading images which are of much lower resolution than the source, not about images which are natively low-res. This is a low-res image (source 640x255, 6bpp, from an old game called The Lost Patrol), but I don't think anyone could argue it's impossible or even difficult to identify the weapon in it. Sure, we might have to reconsider if we suddenly get a very large number of old games screencapped with dubious images, but we'll deal with that if it ever actually happens. Evil Tim 03:17, 31 March 2012 (CDT)

Chronological order

MPM told me directly to not use chronological order and group weapons by increasing size when I was re-working the page for the movie Stealth (largely because the first two weapons in that movie are a 40mm Bofors gun and an M167 VADS). While there's no rule that states it directly, this is the current article standard. Evil Tim 10:17, 20 April 2012 (CDT)

Well, here's a copy-paste of what MPM told me.
The standard format for IMFDB is to start with the smallest weapons first and move towards bigger ones. The page as it is now is really jarring since the GUN PLATFORMS and CREW SERVED weapons are first. That's the opposite of how IMFDB pages have been traditionally. MoviePropMaster2008 02:48, 12 July 2011 (CDT)
I'd guess that would supercede something that happened a couple of years back. Evil Tim 13:39, 20 April 2012 (CDT)
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