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If anyone can help identify them, I'd be extremely grateful. [[User:Chef Brian|''<font color="#082567">'''Chef Brian'''</font>'']] [[User talk:Chef Brian|<sub><font color="#FF2400">Vrooom</font></sub>]] 21:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | If anyone can help identify them, I'd be extremely grateful. [[User:Chef Brian|''<font color="#082567">'''Chef Brian'''</font>'']] [[User talk:Chef Brian|<sub><font color="#FF2400">Vrooom</font></sub>]] 21:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
It's really hard to say who made the shotguns. They appear to have boxlock actions instead of the classic sidelock actions. They are hammerless instead of having the exposed hammers like you would see in a western. Other than that they could have been made by one of your country's shotgun makers. Such as Churchill, Greener, or Westley Richards. They could also be of Spanish, Belgian or Italian origins. Then of course there is always the possibility that they are American made shotguns. Side by Sides can be very difficult to idenity without being able to actually handle the model in question and look for the manufactuer's mark. [[Jcordell]] | It's really hard to say who made the shotguns. They appear to have boxlock actions instead of the classic sidelock actions. They are hammerless instead of having the exposed hammers like you would see in a western. Other than that they could have been made by one of your country's shotgun makers. Such as Churchill, Greener, or Westley Richards. They could also be of Spanish, Belgian or Italian origins. Then of course there is always the possibility that they are American made shotguns. Side by Sides can be very difficult to idenity without being able to actually handle the model in question and look for the manufactuer's mark. [[User:Jcordell]] | ||
:Thanks for narrowing the search somewhat. I think I have some more screenshots of the shotgun, stored somewhere in the deep recesses of my hard drive, although I doubt they'll help in furthering the identity of the shotguns... [[User:Chef Brian|<span style="font-size:9pt;color: #F40;background:#169;border:2px solid #333">'''Chef Brian'''</span>]][[User talk:Chef Brian|<sub style="font-size: 9pt;color:#169">''Hello!''</sub>]] | :Thanks for narrowing the search somewhat. I think I have some more screenshots of the shotgun, stored somewhere in the deep recesses of my hard drive, although I doubt they'll help in furthering the identity of the shotguns... [[User:Chef Brian|<span style="font-size:9pt;color: #F40;background:#169;border:2px solid #333">'''Chef Brian'''</span>]][[User talk:Chef Brian|<sub style="font-size: 9pt;color:#169">''Hello!''</sub>]] | ||
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::Okay Mister sensitive feelings! ;) I said I '''also''' confirm, i.e. I concur with your original guess. You seemed a little noncommital, so I was concurring and stating out right that it was '''definitely''' an 870. ;) MPM2008 | ::Okay Mister sensitive feelings! ;) I said I '''also''' confirm, i.e. I concur with your original guess. You seemed a little noncommital, so I was concurring and stating out right that it was '''definitely''' an 870. ;) MPM2008 | ||
'''''I'm very sensitive.''''' LOL [[Jcordell]] | '''''I'm very sensitive.''''' LOL [[User:Jcordell]] | ||
I agree with you about England. I own a Webley Mk VI, three Lee-Enfields and I just recently purchased a Webley Mk IV in 38/200 that I got for a very resonable price. The local Cabelas has a Holland & Holland Royal Ejector in 12 gauge that I drool over whenever I'm in the store. The country used to have such a strong shooting tradition and great gun makers. [[Jcordell]] | I agree with you about England. I own a Webley Mk VI, three Lee-Enfields and I just recently purchased a Webley Mk IV in 38/200 that I got for a very resonable price. The local Cabelas has a Holland & Holland Royal Ejector in 12 gauge that I drool over whenever I'm in the store. The country used to have such a strong shooting tradition and great gun makers. [[User:Jcordell]] | ||
== United States Air Force/Navy Firearms == | == United States Air Force/Navy Firearms == | ||
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I was stationed in Germany (93-96) when I was in the U.S. Army and there is still a sizable U.S. military presence in Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy and Spain. Meaning lots of M-16/M4's, M249 Squad Automatic Weapons, 50 caliber Ma Dueces, Sig Sauer M11's (P228), Berettas, Remington M24 sniper rifles (Model 700), Mossberg and Bennelli shotguns and on and on. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] | I was stationed in Germany (93-96) when I was in the U.S. Army and there is still a sizable U.S. military presence in Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy and Spain. Meaning lots of M-16/M4's, M249 Squad Automatic Weapons, 50 caliber Ma Dueces, Sig Sauer M11's (P228), Berettas, Remington M24 sniper rifles (Model 700), Mossberg and Bennelli shotguns and on and on. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] | ||
Hey guys, as one of the few brits on here i have to say the 92F isn't such a rarity in the Uk tho police and air force security do mostly carry Glocks being the gun nut i am i always take a look at their holsters and have seen on occassion berettas, Sig sauers and Browning Hi powers carried. Like wise i also know someone who has procured a handgun through illegal means and it was a Beretta inox. Just cus the guns arn't legal over here don't mean we can have em, just that we cant defend against them. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 07:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
== The Show == | == The Show == | ||
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''Ergo, it is British Science Fiction - not being Sci-Fi because of the post apocalyptic plague elements, but the fact that British subjects can acquire firearms! Now that's Sci-fi! ''' [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] | ''Ergo, it is British Science Fiction - not being Sci-Fi because of the post apocalyptic plague elements, but the fact that British subjects can acquire firearms! Now that's Sci-fi! ''' [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] | ||
Well besides all the inevitable comments on British gun laws I find the similarities between Stephen King's ''[[The | Well besides all the inevitable comments on British gun laws I find the similarities between Stephen King's ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]'' and ''Survivors'' to be interesting. I'm espeically referring to the seventies version. I know that King and his familiy lived (briefly) in England during the late seventies. I also know that between the completion of ''The Stand'' and the printing of the story there was a period of approximately 2.5 years. Plenty of time for King to make minor edits. Wonder if ''Survivors'' played any role in some of those edits? Probably not, but it is interesting to speculate. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
== BBC America == | |||
''Survivors'' will be starting on BBC America 02/13/10. I don't know if they are only going to show season one or both season one and two. The ad dosen't say. I'll tape it and watch the episodes in a couple sittings I imagine. I'm still working my way through the 48 hour (estimate) [[Doctor Who (New series)|Doctor Who]] marathon that BBCA showed for New Years.Regardless of England's gun laws I like alot of the programming. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 05:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
Okay for those who care BBC America is going to air both season one and season two back to back. Just learned that today.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Season 2 handsguns== | |||
in series 2 ep 5 tom takes a tokarev tt33 (or possibly a norinco type 54) from one of the attempted roadside robbers, the man commits suice with a webley revolver either a mk iv or mk vi --[[Special:Contributions/86.156.240.14|86.156.240.14]] 22:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC) - captain snikt | |||
That revolver is not a webley, looks nothing like a webley, more likely a smith and wesson | |||
== Remington 870 w/ extended magazine tube and rifle sights == | |||
'''''(This discussion really doesn't belong on the main page. Better suited for the discussion page. So I've taken the liberty of moving it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 08:44, 19 February 2010 (UTC))''''' | |||
Another firearms that is essentially banned in Great Britain (hardly...), this [[Remington Model 870 Shotgun|Remington 870 pump action shotgun]] holds far more than the current legal limit of two 12 shells (in the U.K.) (this is wrong, there is no legal limit to the capacity of any firearm in the UK, magazines are not legislated in any way. You can only hold small capacity shotguns on a shotgun certificate, but on a firearm certificate a section 1 shotgun can have an unlimited capacity, as long as a suitable magazine can be constructed).Used by survivors in Samantha Willis's community. In the course of the third episode, the gun is fired twice, with the traditional clunk-click sound of the pump action being worked. It is a standard extended barrel 870 with deer gun (slug) sights on the barrel. | |||
In the UK, you are allowed to hold a shotgun if you have a shotgun certificate but it has to be limited to a 3 cartridge capacity. There are a significant number of shotgun certificate holders and so getting your hands on a three shot semi-auto wouldn't be too hard in a post-flu environment. | |||
In order to own a shotgun with a capacity of more than three cartridges (or one modified to fire slugs), it needs to be held on a firearms certificate. These are much more tightly regulated as you need to provide the police with a good reason for owning one. Given that there is rarely a reason to have more than a three shot capacity (shotguns like this can easily be fitted with an extended magazine), they would be far less available (lots of people own these, and lots of people own guns similar to this in the UK, I suggest you do a bit of research before talking about this). They are also to large to be bothered smuggling on the black market (guns can be dismantled, there's no way you can assume that large guns can not be smuggled, they can and have been). | |||
== Organizing firearms by type == | |||
I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Canceled == | |||
Well the BBC has axed this show so this is the end of this page. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 18:31, 11 March 2014
The shotguns
If anyone can help identify them, I'd be extremely grateful. Chef Brian Vrooom 21:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
It's really hard to say who made the shotguns. They appear to have boxlock actions instead of the classic sidelock actions. They are hammerless instead of having the exposed hammers like you would see in a western. Other than that they could have been made by one of your country's shotgun makers. Such as Churchill, Greener, or Westley Richards. They could also be of Spanish, Belgian or Italian origins. Then of course there is always the possibility that they are American made shotguns. Side by Sides can be very difficult to idenity without being able to actually handle the model in question and look for the manufactuer's mark. User:Jcordell
- Thanks for narrowing the search somewhat. I think I have some more screenshots of the shotgun, stored somewhere in the deep recesses of my hard drive, although I doubt they'll help in furthering the identity of the shotguns... Chef BrianHello!
Page format
Hello all. I changed the page format to more closely fit the standard for IMFDB. Also I corrected some of the comments to make sure that the viewers know that what is illegal in Britain is NOT ILLEGAL in the United States, where the majority of the IMFDB members and Admins reside. :) I feel sorry for the folks in the UK. If the zombie apocalypse ever happens, you guys are so screwed! ;) I probably have more guns in my closet than 99% of the smaller police departments in the country. Man, what happened? And the British were such excellent gun makers once.... :( MoviePropMaster2008 19:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: I also confirmed (easily) that the pump shotgun was an 870. I will try to post a pic of an 870 in that exact configuration sometime soon. The Side by Side shotguns are much harder, but as I noted, I've only seen silver engraved receivers on the HIGHER END ones. MPM2008
- Thanks so much for all the work, and for making it easier for you guys in the U.S to relate. The reason why the UK is now so anti-gun is because of the Hungerford and Dunblane massacres, which occurred in the 1980's and 90's. The then government panicked after each, and subsequently all handguns and automatic rifles were effectively banned. Even Olympic sport shooters have to train outside of the UK. It doesn't seem to have stopped gun crime, though. London today is a warzone with knives and illegal guns. Chef BrianHello!
- Yes, We in the U.S. already know about Hungerford and Dunblane. Don't know about you, but I was already heavily involved in pro-gun political activities at that time, and those tragedies were BIG NEWS here in the United States. The names Hungerford and Dunblane create a chill down the spine of most informed American Gun owners, (as do the Port Arthur Massacre in Tasmania, or the Stockton Schoolyard shooting in 1989 or the San Ysidro McDonalds shooting, or the 101 California Law office shooting in San Francisco, or Columbine, etc. ....} :( Those were sickening and tragic events, but also I was sickened as to how the insane actions of ONE madman could screw over the fundamental rights of MILLIONS of fellow Britons. So we know all about the bad situation in the U.K. and how you got there. On the American gun rights forums and newsboards, we hear all the time the increasing stupidity and craziness of the UK. (Your KNIFE ban? Your Replica Ban?) And recently (in the news) a motorist in Liverpool was pulled over by the police for 'laughing in his car'. Laughter is an offense in Liverpool? George Orwell's book 1984 was loosely based on Britain at the time by the author. Who knew that Britain actually became that society ... we just didn't notice until recently... :( I went to school in Britain a long time ago. I really like the British people, their system of government, not so much as it regards to individual rights .... MPM2008
Remington 870
Oh that's not fair. I identifed the shotgun as a Remington also. The only thing that I found puzzling was that the screencap shows a slug shotgun in the actor's hands. But I guess in England the television and movie companies get what they can. If that means an Remington 870 Express doubles as a conventional smoothbore then so be it.
- Okay Mister sensitive feelings! ;) I said I also confirm, i.e. I concur with your original guess. You seemed a little noncommital, so I was concurring and stating out right that it was definitely an 870. ;) MPM2008
I'm very sensitive. LOL User:Jcordell
I agree with you about England. I own a Webley Mk VI, three Lee-Enfields and I just recently purchased a Webley Mk IV in 38/200 that I got for a very resonable price. The local Cabelas has a Holland & Holland Royal Ejector in 12 gauge that I drool over whenever I'm in the store. The country used to have such a strong shooting tradition and great gun makers. User:Jcordell
I never considered the fact that the survivors might get firearms from the USAF bases. Also isn't there a United States Navy presence in England? Don't forget the United States Marines who are assigned to the U.S. embassy in London and I suppose there might be a couple U.S. consulates in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland etc. And of course the U.S. embassy in Dublin. Could be very helpful expalining the appearance of U.S. military firearms.
I was stationed in Germany (93-96) when I was in the U.S. Army and there is still a sizable U.S. military presence in Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy and Spain. Meaning lots of M-16/M4's, M249 Squad Automatic Weapons, 50 caliber Ma Dueces, Sig Sauer M11's (P228), Berettas, Remington M24 sniper rifles (Model 700), Mossberg and Bennelli shotguns and on and on. Jcordell
Hey guys, as one of the few brits on here i have to say the 92F isn't such a rarity in the Uk tho police and air force security do mostly carry Glocks being the gun nut i am i always take a look at their holsters and have seen on occassion berettas, Sig sauers and Browning Hi powers carried. Like wise i also know someone who has procured a handgun through illegal means and it was a Beretta inox. Just cus the guns arn't legal over here don't mean we can have em, just that we cant defend against them. --Captain Snikt 07:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
The Show
Rather like Stephen King's The Stand only with more gunplay and action thrown in. And it's British? Wow. Jcordell
Ergo, it is British Science Fiction - not being Sci-Fi because of the post apocalyptic plague elements, but the fact that British subjects can acquire firearms! Now that's Sci-fi! ' MoviePropMaster2008
Well besides all the inevitable comments on British gun laws I find the similarities between Stephen King's The Stand and Survivors to be interesting. I'm espeically referring to the seventies version. I know that King and his familiy lived (briefly) in England during the late seventies. I also know that between the completion of The Stand and the printing of the story there was a period of approximately 2.5 years. Plenty of time for King to make minor edits. Wonder if Survivors played any role in some of those edits? Probably not, but it is interesting to speculate. --Jcordell 16:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
BBC America
Survivors will be starting on BBC America 02/13/10. I don't know if they are only going to show season one or both season one and two. The ad dosen't say. I'll tape it and watch the episodes in a couple sittings I imagine. I'm still working my way through the 48 hour (estimate) Doctor Who marathon that BBCA showed for New Years.Regardless of England's gun laws I like alot of the programming. --Jcordell 05:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Okay for those who care BBC America is going to air both season one and season two back to back. Just learned that today.--Jcordell 17:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Season 2 handsguns
in series 2 ep 5 tom takes a tokarev tt33 (or possibly a norinco type 54) from one of the attempted roadside robbers, the man commits suice with a webley revolver either a mk iv or mk vi --86.156.240.14 22:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC) - captain snikt That revolver is not a webley, looks nothing like a webley, more likely a smith and wesson
Remington 870 w/ extended magazine tube and rifle sights
(This discussion really doesn't belong on the main page. Better suited for the discussion page. So I've taken the liberty of moving it. --Jcordell 08:44, 19 February 2010 (UTC))
Another firearms that is essentially banned in Great Britain (hardly...), this Remington 870 pump action shotgun holds far more than the current legal limit of two 12 shells (in the U.K.) (this is wrong, there is no legal limit to the capacity of any firearm in the UK, magazines are not legislated in any way. You can only hold small capacity shotguns on a shotgun certificate, but on a firearm certificate a section 1 shotgun can have an unlimited capacity, as long as a suitable magazine can be constructed).Used by survivors in Samantha Willis's community. In the course of the third episode, the gun is fired twice, with the traditional clunk-click sound of the pump action being worked. It is a standard extended barrel 870 with deer gun (slug) sights on the barrel.
In the UK, you are allowed to hold a shotgun if you have a shotgun certificate but it has to be limited to a 3 cartridge capacity. There are a significant number of shotgun certificate holders and so getting your hands on a three shot semi-auto wouldn't be too hard in a post-flu environment.
In order to own a shotgun with a capacity of more than three cartridges (or one modified to fire slugs), it needs to be held on a firearms certificate. These are much more tightly regulated as you need to provide the police with a good reason for owning one. Given that there is rarely a reason to have more than a three shot capacity (shotguns like this can easily be fitted with an extended magazine), they would be far less available (lots of people own these, and lots of people own guns similar to this in the UK, I suggest you do a bit of research before talking about this). They are also to large to be bothered smuggling on the black market (guns can be dismantled, there's no way you can assume that large guns can not be smuggled, they can and have been).
Organizing firearms by type
I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --Jcordell 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Canceled
Well the BBC has axed this show so this is the end of this page. --Jcordell 20:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)