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=Other Images= | |||
[[File:Saiga 12k tactical.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Saiga-12K Tactical - 12 gauge. The Saiga Tactical (Russian: Сайга Тактика; ''Saiga Taktika'') is the collective name for a series of customized Saigas produced by Russian company Legion Ltd. (Russian: ООО «Легион»), which feature a diverse array of attachments, including AK-74 and SVD-styled components. Their main difference with the factory Saiga shotguns is their AK-styled iron sights.]] | |||
[[File:Saiga-12c 400.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Saiga-12C - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Saiga 12K Drum.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Saiga 12K with short barrel and 20-round "Wraithmaker" drum magazine - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Saiga-410K-04.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Saiga-410K-04 - .410 Magnum. This Saiga version resembles an AKS-74U.]] | |||
[[File:Izhmash Ks-k.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Izhmash KS-K - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:LSA Saiga 12 Signcutter cs-vlr.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LSA Saiga 12 "Signcutter CS-VLR" - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Saiga-94 bullpup.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Saiga 12 in AKU-94 bullpup kit]] | |||
[[File:Saiga-12 CBRPS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Saiga 12 in CBRPS bullpup kit]] | |||
[[File:HGC Saiga.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A heavily customized Saiga-12 by the Hatcher Gun Company (H.G.C.)]] | |||
[[File:HGC SBS 9 Silenced DE-1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A heavily customized Saiga-12 by the Hatcher Gun Company (H.G.C.)]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
== Select fire.... == | == Select fire.... == | ||
Are you sure its select fire? according to World guns.ru its semi-auto only [http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh07-e.htm] | Are you sure its select fire? according to World guns.ru its semi-auto only [http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh07-e.htm][[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]] | ||
:I've seen them shoot full auto before-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
From the factory they are Semi-Auto but numerous end users have converted them into Automatic shotguns. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
Interesting. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]] | |||
:Here are two examples of Saiga shotguns of full auto [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K-heFRwuWs] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUe4NWiOq5A&feature=related]. Enjoy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Price== | |||
The Saiga shotgun series are the most reasonably priced semi auto shotguns I have yet to encounter-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Given that they used the [[AK-47]] as the basis of their design, it shouldn't be surprising that they're not too expensive, compared to other shotguns like Benelli or Franchi. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
:: How much does it cost in the U.S.? In Russia, Saiga-12 costs about $ 700. Saiga is the most popular weapon of self-defense due to the fact that we are prohibited from buying pistols in private use (although allowed to buy semi-automatic rifles, such as the Steyr AUG, AR-15 or AK-47 with 10-round magazine. We can also buy these rifles and as AWP). In addition to the Saiga in Russia is rather popular weapons such as the Remington 870 or Mossberg 590 (it costs about $ 1200). But such a weapon as the Benelli M4 (M1014) is less common because it costs about $ 3500 and it is being bought by professionals who are addicted to practical shooting. [[User:Slow Rider|Slow Rider]] 13:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
It's not too odd to see new Saigas go around $499, get them now though, the ATF has a hard on for them as of late [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 20:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:In the U.S. they run about $550+ NIB on Gunbroker, so figure another $50 or $60 for shipping and FFL fees. (Is that $700 U.S. dollars?) Mossberg 500 and Remington 870 Express about $300. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
Why are they so hard on Saiga 12's over here in America in the first place? | |||
:Honestly it is because the BATFE burocracy are a bunch of whores to the US political left. Just look at the reasons the declared the USAS-12, Striker-12 and Streetsweeper shotguns to be destructive devices.There was no need to do so but they banned them anyways. The Saiga 12 can take high capacity drums and is based on the AK-47 so they have their little lace panties in a twist.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 04:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::We have about the same shit on handguns. Government and Parliament probably think that our citizens are idiots, and if they allowed us to carry handguns, we've killed each other. But actually, no massacre with the help of their semi-automatic rifles or shotguns multiply. And I do not know what will change if there were handguns.[[User:Slow Rider|Slow Rider]] 09:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
== AK-12-based Saiga? == | |||
Anyone think they'll make a new Saiga based on the AK-12? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:29, 27 February 2012 (PST) | |||
:Unfortunately, I doubt it, as there is still uncertainty of whether the AK-12 will ever go into full scale production. Izhmash is sort of in a financial struggle right now and certain critics of the AK-12 believe that building another AK pattern rifle for the adoption into military service is just beating a dead horse and how Russian Armed Forces require a wholesomely new and modern rifle by now.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 09:59, 7 July 2012 (CDT) | |||
==ID by Serial number== | |||
Anyone know a way of identifying the exact model via serial number? --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] ([[User talk:Sidewinder Forge|talk]]) 12:07, 21 February 2013 (EST) | |||
==Correct name== | |||
What's the [most] correct way to name the weapon? With or without a hyphen? Or is it correct both ways? e.g. Saiga 12K vs Saiga-12K, Saiga .410K vs. Saiga-410K --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:33, 10 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
:It's a tricky case. In Russian gun manuals the names are used with hyphens. But the English version of the web site of Concern Kalashnikov uses names without hyphens: [https://kalashnikov.com/en/product/firearms/civilian/saiga-12k-030.html Saiga 12]. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 10:22, 10 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
::In such a case, I would normally go with the Russian labeling, but the thing is that these commonly interfere with the English-language labeling (e.g. the AK-47 is the most commonly known as such, despite the original Russian name being AK). So I guess it would be the best to refer the Saiga 12 without a hyphen, eh? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 04:18, 11 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::Probably so. At least the site of manufacturer is a good reference. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:34, 11 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::Ironically, the image in the page that you linked shows a hyphen in the inscriptions on the weapon image. Another fun fact: the same website lists [http://kalashnikov.com/en/product/firearms/mle/siaga-12kv.html this] with a hyphen (this one is from the military section rather than civilian). I don't know what to say... Best way is to stop caring too much about it lol. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:48, 23 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 13:17, 15 November 2020
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Discussion
Select fire....
Are you sure its select fire? according to World guns.ru its semi-auto only [1]5t3v0
- I've seen them shoot full auto before-S&Wshooter 19:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
From the factory they are Semi-Auto but numerous end users have converted them into Automatic shotguns. Rockwolf66 20:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Interesting. 5t3v0
- Here are two examples of Saiga shotguns of full auto [[2] and [3]. Enjoy-S&Wshooter 21:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Price
The Saiga shotgun series are the most reasonably priced semi auto shotguns I have yet to encounter-S&Wshooter 19:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Given that they used the AK-47 as the basis of their design, it shouldn't be surprising that they're not too expensive, compared to other shotguns like Benelli or Franchi. Orca1 9904 01:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- How much does it cost in the U.S.? In Russia, Saiga-12 costs about $ 700. Saiga is the most popular weapon of self-defense due to the fact that we are prohibited from buying pistols in private use (although allowed to buy semi-automatic rifles, such as the Steyr AUG, AR-15 or AK-47 with 10-round magazine. We can also buy these rifles and as AWP). In addition to the Saiga in Russia is rather popular weapons such as the Remington 870 or Mossberg 590 (it costs about $ 1200). But such a weapon as the Benelli M4 (M1014) is less common because it costs about $ 3500 and it is being bought by professionals who are addicted to practical shooting. Slow Rider 13:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
It's not too odd to see new Saigas go around $499, get them now though, the ATF has a hard on for them as of late Thursday 20:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- In the U.S. they run about $550+ NIB on Gunbroker, so figure another $50 or $60 for shipping and FFL fees. (Is that $700 U.S. dollars?) Mossberg 500 and Remington 870 Express about $300. --Predator20 20:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Why are they so hard on Saiga 12's over here in America in the first place?
- Honestly it is because the BATFE burocracy are a bunch of whores to the US political left. Just look at the reasons the declared the USAS-12, Striker-12 and Streetsweeper shotguns to be destructive devices.There was no need to do so but they banned them anyways. The Saiga 12 can take high capacity drums and is based on the AK-47 so they have their little lace panties in a twist.Rockwolf66 04:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- We have about the same shit on handguns. Government and Parliament probably think that our citizens are idiots, and if they allowed us to carry handguns, we've killed each other. But actually, no massacre with the help of their semi-automatic rifles or shotguns multiply. And I do not know what will change if there were handguns.Slow Rider 09:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
AK-12-based Saiga?
Anyone think they'll make a new Saiga based on the AK-12? Jeddostotle7 7:29, 27 February 2012 (PST)
- Unfortunately, I doubt it, as there is still uncertainty of whether the AK-12 will ever go into full scale production. Izhmash is sort of in a financial struggle right now and certain critics of the AK-12 believe that building another AK pattern rifle for the adoption into military service is just beating a dead horse and how Russian Armed Forces require a wholesomely new and modern rifle by now.--BeloglaviSup 09:59, 7 July 2012 (CDT)
ID by Serial number
Anyone know a way of identifying the exact model via serial number? --Sidewinder Forge (talk) 12:07, 21 February 2013 (EST)
Correct name
What's the [most] correct way to name the weapon? With or without a hyphen? Or is it correct both ways? e.g. Saiga 12K vs Saiga-12K, Saiga .410K vs. Saiga-410K --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:33, 10 June 2017 (EDT)
- It's a tricky case. In Russian gun manuals the names are used with hyphens. But the English version of the web site of Concern Kalashnikov uses names without hyphens: Saiga 12. Greg-Z (talk) 10:22, 10 June 2017 (EDT)
- In such a case, I would normally go with the Russian labeling, but the thing is that these commonly interfere with the English-language labeling (e.g. the AK-47 is the most commonly known as such, despite the original Russian name being AK). So I guess it would be the best to refer the Saiga 12 without a hyphen, eh? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 04:18, 11 June 2017 (EDT)
- Probably so. At least the site of manufacturer is a good reference. Greg-Z (talk) 12:34, 11 June 2017 (EDT)
- Ironically, the image in the page that you linked shows a hyphen in the inscriptions on the weapon image. Another fun fact: the same website lists this with a hyphen (this one is from the military section rather than civilian). I don't know what to say... Best way is to stop caring too much about it lol. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:48, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
- Probably so. At least the site of manufacturer is a good reference. Greg-Z (talk) 12:34, 11 June 2017 (EDT)
- In such a case, I would normally go with the Russian labeling, but the thing is that these commonly interfere with the English-language labeling (e.g. the AK-47 is the most commonly known as such, despite the original Russian name being AK). So I guess it would be the best to refer the Saiga 12 without a hyphen, eh? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 04:18, 11 June 2017 (EDT)