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I believe that the “Longbow” AK sniper rifle is a AK-103 from MW2022 with the bolt action based off the Ukrainian GOPAK straight pull bolt rifle. The real GOPAK is much shorter (lacking a traditional handguard) and has an integral fitted suppressor but the general shape of the gun in game has a AKM/AK-103 receiver AK-74M folding stock. What do you all think? --[[User:MrJDK9412|MrJDK9412]] ([[User talk:MrJDK9412|talk]]) 19:00 AEST, 11 November 2023 (UTC) | I believe that the “Longbow” AK sniper rifle is a AK-103 from MW2022 with the bolt action based off the Ukrainian GOPAK straight pull bolt rifle. The real GOPAK is much shorter (lacking a traditional handguard) and has an integral fitted suppressor but the general shape of the gun in game has a AKM/AK-103 receiver AK-74M folding stock. What do you all think? --[[User:MrJDK9412|MrJDK9412]] ([[User talk:MrJDK9412|talk]]) 19:00 AEST, 11 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
:It does not have any Gopak resemblance . I think the general 'inspiration' of this thing is probably a UK legal straight pull bolt action AK, like [https://ukvarminting.com/topic/49447-ak-47/ this] although without an understanding of what "straight-pull" means. The turnbolt and higher barrel placement is vaguely akin to the K11 though.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
== AMR9's Handguard == | |||
I doubt it was intentional, since Call of Duty's target audience has been fetuses for years now, but the unnecessarily massive handguard housing a laser tube that would've been considered too big in 1992 does remind me somewhat of the Coreburner from [[Escape from L.A.]] --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 23:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:08, 21 December 2023
Miscellaneous
Switchblade 300
A stylized AeroVironment Switchblade 300 loitering munition is featured as the "Mosquito Drone" killstreak.
Gut Hook Knife
A gut hook knife loosely based on Renegade Tactical G4 Claw Gut Hook appears as the "Gutter Knife".
Attachments
Optics
Hensoldt ZO 4x30i
The same Hensoldt ZO 4x30i based "BPZ40 Hybrid" from Modern Warfare II is seen in the Gamescom gameplay trailer.
Kobra Red Dot
The Kobra Red Dot based "DF105 Reflex Sight" from Modern Warfare II returns as the "Caucasus Reflex Sight".
"Slate Reflector"
The "Slate Reflector" from Vanguard returns due to Sledgehammer Games developing the multiplayer of MWIII.
Nydar Model 47
The Nydar Model 47 from Vanguard returns as the "Nydar Model 2023" due to Sledgehammer Games developing the multiplayer of MWIII.
Trijicon SRS
The Trijicon SRS based "SZ Recharge-DX" from Modern Warfare II returns with the addition of a riser as the "KR V4 1X Riser".
Trijicon ACOG
A stylized Trijicon ACOG is featured as the "RQ-9 Recon".
Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk II
The Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk II based "Spitfire Mk. 3 Reflector" from Vanguard returns as the "Mk. 23 Reflector" due to Sledgehammer Games developing the multiplayer of MWIII.
PK-120
A stylized PK-120 holographic sight is featured as the "Chrios Holo".
ITL MARS
What appears to be a stylized ITL MARS reflex sight is featured as the "QTG Reflex Sight". This name was later changed to "KR V4 1X Riser".
Muzzle devices
SIG SLX suppressor
The "Bruen Harmonic Suppressor L" is a SIG SLX silencer, custom made for the SIG-Sauer MCX-SPEAR/"BAS-B".
Magazines & Ammunition
Magpul PMAG D-60
The 60 round magazine for the ACR is stylized PMAG D-60.
Lasers
ZenitCo Perst-3
The same ZenitCo Perst-3 based "STOVL DR Laser Box" from Modern Warfare II returns as the "CS15 Scarlet Mounted Laser".
Discussion
Weapon list from datamine and leaked images
Assault Rifles:
jup_ar_acharlie = Bushmaster ACR in 5.56
jup_ar_acharlie300 = Bushmaster ACR in .300 Blackout
jup_ar_golf36 = Heckler & Koch G36
jup_ar_bromeo2m = CZ BREN 2 Ms in 7.62×39
jup_ar_bromeo805 = CZ 805 BREN in 5.56
jup_ar_foxtrot2000 = FN F2000
jup_ar_qbravo95 = QBZ-95 in 5.8x42
jup_ar_qbravo97 = QBZ 97 NSR Gen 3 in 5.56
Battle Rifles:
jup_br_acharlie450 = Bushmaster ACR in .450 Bushmaster
jup_br_bromeo2 = CZ BREN 2 BR in 7.62×51
jup_br_xmike5 = MCX Spear(XM7)
Designated Marksman Rifles:
jup_dm_acharlied = ACR DMR (in 5.56?)
jup_dm_bromeop = CZ BREN 2 PPS
jup_dm_slima8 = Heckler & Koch SL8
jup_dm_svictork = Kalashnikov SVK
Machine Guns:
jup_lm_evictor = FN EVOLYS
jup_lm_mgolf36 = Heckler & Koch MG36
jup_lm_pkilob = Bullpup PKP Pecheneg
jup_lm_pkilop = PKP Pecheneg
jup_lm_qbravo95lsw = QJB-95 LSW
Pistols:
jup_pi_glima21 = Glock 21
jup_pi_mike93 = Beretta 93R
jup_pi_rsierra12 = RSh-12
jup_pi_uzulum = Micro Uzi
Shotguns:
jup_sh_pump = ?
jup_sh_semi = ?
Submachine Guns:
jup_sm_coscar635 = Colt Model 635
jup_sm_lwhiskey = LWRC SMG-45
jup_sm_scharlie3 = CZ SCORPION EVO 3
jup_sm_umike = Heckler & Koch UMP
jup_sm_uzulu = Uzi
jup_sm_uzulup = Uzi Pro
Sniper Rifles:
jup_sn_hsierra = Steyr HS .50 M1
jup_sn_svictor = SVCh
Lethal Equipment:
jup_eq_butterfly_mine = PFM-1 mine
Killstreaks:
jup_ks_lrad = Long-range acoustic device
jup_ks_switchblade_drone = AeroVironment Switchblade
Also confirmed from leaked screenshots: Unknown DMR AK in 5.45, AK-101, Cadex Tremor 50 and Beretta ARX-200 (99.99% probability of an ARX-160).--Phillip Graves (talk) 07:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- As well as that very odd bolt action AK receiver seen in the weapon vault preview. Alex T Snow (talk) 01:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- I couldn't identify either of the Vault weapons.--Phillip Graves (talk) 03:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- The bolt action AK is either a Pakistani Khyber Pass conversion or an Armenian K11M.--Phillip Graves (talk) 04:24, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- I couldn't identify either of the Vault weapons.--Phillip Graves (talk) 03:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
ACR vs. MSBS & VHS-2 vs. QBZ
Hi,
thanks for correcting my additions. I'm not interested in a conflict. I'm glad my IDs got challenged. But here is my point:
The receiver split on the polish soldiers weapon is strait. Every ACR got a hump. So I thought that the MSBS would be a better pick.
In case of the other soldier. I thought the large sights would give it away as a VHS-2 and there seems to be something in the caring handle that would bee the VHS-2's charging handle.
This is just my opinion, time will tell. --RRT877 (talk) 17:05, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- A VHS-2 with Grot bullpup elements is already in the previous game, and as we know, the arsenal from MWII is supposed to be carried over in this game. The stock of the bullpup rifle much more closely resembles the QBZ. As for the ACR, it does appear to have some visual elements of the normal Grot, but we have to wait until the game is actually available to determine this in detail. It does have the Remington ACR style brass deflector.--AgentGumby (talk) 18:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
I personally think the rifle in the center is a PSA JAKL.[1] - KINKI'boy(talk) 05:09, 30 September 2023 (JST)
New weapons from beta/launch datamine
Assault Rifles:
jup_jp03_ar_aromeo160 = Beretta ARX160
jup_jp25_ar_talpha95 = IWI Tavor X95
jup_jp36_ar_anov94 = AN 94
Battle Rifles:
jup_jp03_br_aromeo200 = Beretta ARX200
Machine Guns:
jup_cp05_lm_halpha = FN HAMR IAR
Shotguns:
jup_jp16_sh_recho870 = Remington 870
jup_jp09_sh_oromeo12 = Origin-12
jup_cp01_sh_aromeo410 = AR 410
Submachine Guns:
jup_jp03_sm_pmike = Beretta PMX
Sniper Rifles:
jup_jp10_sn_cdelta50 = CDX-50 TREMOR
jup_jp36_sn_boscar = The Polish Bor?
Launchers:
jup_jp22_la_dromeo = no idea
jup_jp26_la_mike32 = Milkor MGL/M32(probably not usable in MP again)
jup_jp26_la_cluster = no idea(M32 variant?)
jup_jp26_la_cluster32 = no idea(M32 variant?)
Melee:
jup_jp23_me_knife = a new knife, more bloat
jup_jp23_me_kalpha = Kali Sticks or a Katana?
Image for reference: https://imgur.com/gquFVvI Asking for corrections/help on the unidentified ones. --Phillip Graves (talk) 06:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- The "sn_boscar" is apparently a part of the same weapon platform as the AN-94 (both have the jp36 prefix). I don't know of any "sniper" variant of the AN-94... Also, the only launcher I can think of that would fit the "dromeo" codename would be the M47 Dragon (aka FGM-77). --MonocledTarantula432 (talk) 06:32, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- My thoughts exactly, weird to have a sniper rifle together with the AN94, the Dragon is the older Javelin so that wouldn't make sense too. The Tavor 7 and the 9mm conversion are pretty much guaranteed to appear too. --Phillip Graves (talk) 00:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
MWIII Beta weapon names
Images here: https://imgur.com/a/k5iHbdl --Phillip Graves (talk) 01:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Damn, they really did a number on that poor AN-94. And the .410 AR is apparently full-auto, that's new. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 02:29, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- That poor AN-94. I can't recall ever seeing a .410 in a game before, but making it the full auto one should hopefully balance well. Putting "Adaptable" in the ACR's description is a nice touch. The G36K thankfully looks pretty decent (by modern CoD standards), and hopefully the rather high top rail means the expected integrated optics option(s) are actually higher like they should be, unlike MW19. Interesting to see .277 Fury referred to by name, somehow I feel that'll be patched out. Still not sure what the heck the thing under the Model 635's barrel is, but we should be able to put normal barrels on it. As much as the (entirely unnecessary) "copyright-free" redesigns bother me, I do kinda like the "plausible alternate variants", like the ACR DMR. Keeping the "Striker" name despite this one being an actual UMP is still dumb, especially if the 9mm one does indeed turn out to be the SMG-9 with an HK-sounding name. Alex T Snow (talk) 03:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- The Longbow is bolt action by default, so it's a totally made up weapon? Still haven't seen it's caliber --Phillip Graves (talk) 03:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thing with the "Striker" is that the model was mostly taken from MW19's SMG-45 blueprints that have a UMP resemblance, but yeah, they really should have used a different name. As for the copyright-free redesigns, I often see comments on the internet stating that they're avoiding promoting real guns due to California laws. Now, whether it's really due to this or simply to avoid lawsuits from real manufacturers, well... I'll leave it up to your imagination. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 12:02, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Just noticed another funny little detail: if you take a look at the Bren 2 PPS, the "F" position is where "Safe" would be on an AR, and "S" is below that, so the selector apparently starts out pointed straight down. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 12:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Guess the "boscar" just meants bolt action. The Longbow's caliber is 7.62 Soviet in-game. --Phillip Graves (talk) 14:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Just noticed another funny little detail: if you take a look at the Bren 2 PPS, the "F" position is where "Safe" would be on an AR, and "S" is below that, so the selector apparently starts out pointed straight down. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 12:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thing with the "Striker" is that the model was mostly taken from MW19's SMG-45 blueprints that have a UMP resemblance, but yeah, they really should have used a different name. As for the copyright-free redesigns, I often see comments on the internet stating that they're avoiding promoting real guns due to California laws. Now, whether it's really due to this or simply to avoid lawsuits from real manufacturers, well... I'll leave it up to your imagination. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 12:02, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- The Longbow is bolt action by default, so it's a totally made up weapon? Still haven't seen it's caliber --Phillip Graves (talk) 03:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- That poor AN-94. I can't recall ever seeing a .410 in a game before, but making it the full auto one should hopefully balance well. Putting "Adaptable" in the ACR's description is a nice touch. The G36K thankfully looks pretty decent (by modern CoD standards), and hopefully the rather high top rail means the expected integrated optics option(s) are actually higher like they should be, unlike MW19. Interesting to see .277 Fury referred to by name, somehow I feel that'll be patched out. Still not sure what the heck the thing under the Model 635's barrel is, but we should be able to put normal barrels on it. As much as the (entirely unnecessary) "copyright-free" redesigns bother me, I do kinda like the "plausible alternate variants", like the ACR DMR. Keeping the "Striker" name despite this one being an actual UMP is still dumb, especially if the 9mm one does indeed turn out to be the SMG-9 with an HK-sounding name. Alex T Snow (talk) 03:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Weird Gun from leaked mastery callling card
Is this another made up gun? https://imgur.com/wAChurp --Phillip Graves (talk) 00:48, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Looks like some kind of rail gun or even further stylized incarnation of this? --Nanomat (talk) 01:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Almost looks like one of those handheld drone jammer devices, if you ask me. Maybe they're planning to add one as a dedicated anti-scorestreak weapon, similarly to the MANPADS secondaries in previous titles. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 04:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah could be the "dromeo" for drone jammer or whatever.--Phillip Graves (talk) 04:59, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Almost looks like one of those handheld drone jammer devices, if you ask me. Maybe they're planning to add one as a dedicated anti-scorestreak weapon, similarly to the MANPADS secondaries in previous titles. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 04:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Would the drone guns count? Imo I would add them as other for informations' sake but not worth a page. You guys' opinions?--Dannyguns (talk) 08:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that sounds reasonable - I'd call it comparable to, say, the Glock-based laser designator from the MW2 remaster, in that it's a gun-esque piece of military hardware that could be identified, but not an actual gun. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:15, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
"Lockwood 680"
If it has enough Remington 870 parts, fair enough; but in regards to the recent edit summary, the ejection port definitely doesn't match it, it's more squared compared to an actual 870. Video for reference. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- It's a bit more squared off, but thats par for the course with the stylizations now. I don't see this thing being really ID-able a S&W 3000 or MP-133.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:13, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, I took a look at the older 870 MCS model from MW19, and that one also has a more squared ejection port, so eh, I suppose we can let this one slide. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
4 Advanced Warfare weapons coming in S3...
EM1 (JP32) "emike1", ASM1 (JP33) "asierra1", BAL27 (JP34) "balpha27" and MORS (JP35). This game is downgrade in terms of gunporn. --Phillip Graves (talk) 18:09, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think is to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of Call of Duty. So if that’s the case, then I expect the Galil ARM, SPAS-12, M1 Garand, and even the Model 1887 to return in this game. It will most likely could be some seasonal event from past games. So we could have a AW map, or even Nuketown, which would be ironic for a Modern Warfare game. That’s what I believe, so expect some WWII, Vietnam, or Futuristic Weapons. My wish list would be the Galil, XM177, M1 Garand, and Ballistic Knife (NSP-2).--Treliazz (talk) 00:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- Seeing as it's for the sake of the celebration and all that I can just do my best to ignore and not personally use the future guns, but some Cold War, Vietnam, and WWII era guns would definitely be neat. :) Alex T Snow (talk) 03:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- It really depends on the WWII guns however, because Vanguard has make the weapons from WWII to curse weapons even in CoD standards. The best they can do at this point is to make the weapons tactical, like the M1 Garand with Sage EBR, which did exist. The Thompson with some tactical parts that also exist and developed by Auto-Ordnance, which could be the answer to the ASM-1. Another one is the H-CAR, even though it won’t fire full-auto, Sledgehammer would make it full-auto. Even though it doesn’t make sense, it at least makes more sense than Vanguard’s .50cal BAR.--Treliazz (talk) 05:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- Seeing as it's for the sake of the celebration and all that I can just do my best to ignore and not personally use the future guns, but some Cold War, Vietnam, and WWII era guns would definitely be neat. :) Alex T Snow (talk) 03:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Grenades
Since these appear to come straight from the previous game, should they be listed on the page, as done with MWII's firearms?--AgentGumby (talk) 14:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
More COD2024 weapons found in new datamine!
Full list here: https://imgur.com/VBUPVLs
-t10_ar_able18 = AR-18(weird since the Colt Model 723 is still in)
-t10_ar_love85 = L85
-t10_sm_chuck9 = Colt 9mm SMG? (don't have the platforms in this datamine to compare with the AR line)
-t10_sm_pparis90 = PP-90
-t10_sn_love96 = L96A1
-t10_sh_uncle1 = USAS-12? (fits the time period)
-t10_me_halligan = a Halligan which is a multipurpose tool (weird)
-t10_la_stisaac = FIM-92 Stinger
Also worth noting that some weapons changed weapon class like the elusive "rmary2" now being in the Assault Rifle category (the IMI Romat, also known as Rov've Mitta'enn is a battle rifle so no idea what this should be).--Phillip Graves (talk) 01:30, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- That CoD looks to be getting all the good guns. :( Alex T Snow (talk) 01:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- The full list of weapons from datamine appeared: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwA8Ia-SlnaZgDFLXjdP9AfG9h7ZsWtuVdofTakxHQ/edit#gid=1749315760 Ignore the obvious mistakes of gun identification but also note the ridiculous classe changes like the SIG 550 being a DMR and some guns having their internal names changed or appearing duplicate. Only new guns from this seem to be the SR-2 Veresk(t10_sm_srvalor) and the Leader Dynamics Series T2 MK5(t10_ar_leasy, probably a SAR 80 which explains the addition of the AR-18 as a platform). No further verification can be made because this datamine doesn't contain the weapon platforms numbers but this seems close to launch list of weapons around 50. --Phillip Graves (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
ACR???
Can we really define the "ACR" as Bushmaster? I'm not knowledgeable on this but is there any visual difference between the Bushmaster and the Remington because if not then considering that the in game gun has full auto behavior wouldn't it make more sense to define it as "Remington ACR with Masada/Bushmaster handguard"? --Nanomat (talk) 00:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- There are some videos of full-auto Bushmaster ACRs on YouTube (some of them were modified, but still), so I guess the ID should be fine as it currently is. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:21, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- On the other hand, we might have to ID the "MCW 6.8" as a Magpul Masada SPR. The final release shows it with with the latter's long handguard, and after doing some research, I don't think that this handguard was used on the Bushmaster ACR DMR. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 23:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's still got the ACR's forward-mounted charging handle instead of the Masada's more centrally-placed one, though - funnily enough, our Masada SPR reference image also does, which tells me that it might not actually be a Masada SPR (especially given how it looks like a 3D render). Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- The first Magpul prototypes had the charging handle in the center, but later ones from 2008 did actually have forward-mounted ones. EDIT: interestingly, while the gun in the middle of this image has "Magpul Armament" markings, I just noticed that it's also marked "ACR". This is from that article regarding the transition from the Magpul Masada to the Bushmaster ACR. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 00:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's still got the ACR's forward-mounted charging handle instead of the Masada's more centrally-placed one, though - funnily enough, our Masada SPR reference image also does, which tells me that it might not actually be a Masada SPR (especially given how it looks like a 3D render). Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- On the other hand, we might have to ID the "MCW 6.8" as a Magpul Masada SPR. The final release shows it with with the latter's long handguard, and after doing some research, I don't think that this handguard was used on the Bushmaster ACR DMR. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 23:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Longbow rifle
I believe that the “Longbow” AK sniper rifle is a AK-103 from MW2022 with the bolt action based off the Ukrainian GOPAK straight pull bolt rifle. The real GOPAK is much shorter (lacking a traditional handguard) and has an integral fitted suppressor but the general shape of the gun in game has a AKM/AK-103 receiver AK-74M folding stock. What do you all think? --MrJDK9412 (talk) 19:00 AEST, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- It does not have any Gopak resemblance . I think the general 'inspiration' of this thing is probably a UK legal straight pull bolt action AK, like this although without an understanding of what "straight-pull" means. The turnbolt and higher barrel placement is vaguely akin to the K11 though.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
AMR9's Handguard
I doubt it was intentional, since Call of Duty's target audience has been fetuses for years now, but the unnecessarily massive handguard housing a laser tube that would've been considered too big in 1992 does remind me somewhat of the Coreburner from Escape from L.A. --yocapo32 (talk) 23:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)