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== Brazillian Militia? ==
For older discussions see [[Talk:Modern Warfare 2/Archive 1]]


They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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=Console Command Weapons=
==Sa vz. 61 Skorpion==
The [[Sa vz. 61 Skorpion]] can be used in the mission "Team Player" via the console command "give skorpion". Its model, animations and sounds are the same as those in ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare''.
[[File:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Sa vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]
[[File:06cd0eb30f2442a784b63bf2d143ad4bd013024d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The cheated-in Skorpion in first-person...]]
[[File:Va61.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|...and in third-person]]


==Guns from the new teaser==
==Heckler & Koch G36C==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
The [[Heckler & Koch G36C]] can be used on the PC version in the Special Ops mission "Suspension," by using the dev console command "give g36c_reflex". While the in-world model has a reflex sight and a front sight, the player model has neither. When aiming, the player character simply moves the gun to the center of the screen, aiming along the rail through a non-existent reflex sight. The model, sounds, and most of its animations are from the G36C in ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare''.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[File:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
[[File:G36C_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The G36C in ''Modern Warfare 2'', via console commands.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
[[File:G36C_ADS_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Aiming" the G36C.]]
[[File:G36C_reload_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier about to throw the G36C's magazine.]]
[[File:G36C_boltpull_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier pulling the charging handle.]]
[[File:G36C_thirdperson_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Third person model of the G36C. Note the red dot sight, which is gone when picking up the gun.]]


looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
==Remington Model 700P==
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
The [[Remington 700|Remington 700P]] can be used in the mission "Of Their Own Accord" via the console command "give remington700". The model, animations. and sounds are exactly the same as ''Call of Duty 4's''.
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
[[File:Remington 700P LTR right side.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Model 700P LTR - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:R700_MW2_no3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Remington Model 700P in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands. Of note that this level is not "Of Their Own Accord"; additionally, the French text near the center of the image is prompting the player to use an [[M203]] which they rather clearly do not have.]]


:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]
==M40A3==
The [[M40A3 Sniper Rifle|M40A3]] can be used in the singleplayer mission "Of Their Own Accord" via the console command "give m40a3". Just like the Remington 700P, the model, animations, and sounds are the same as ''Call of Duty 4''.
[[File:M40a3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M40A3 sniper rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:M40A3_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M40A3 in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.]]


The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
==M60E3==
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The [[M60E3]] is only accessible in the mission "Team Player" through the console command "give m60e4". It appears incorrectly as the "M60E4". The model, sounds, and animations are from ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare''.  
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[File:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60E3 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
[[File:M60E3_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60E3 in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.]]
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
[[File:M60E3_ADS_MW2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60E3's ADS.]]
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]


I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
==M249-E2 SAW==
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The [[M249]] can be used in the Spec Ops mission "Armor Piercing" via the console command "give saw". The model, sounds, and animations are from ''Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare''.
[[File:Fn m249saw mk2 10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M249-E2 machine gun - 5.56x45mm NATO]]  
[[File:Cod6_m249.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:C11eb3b7d0a20cf486e2e98476094b36adaf9993.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]


Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
=Miscellaneous=
== Blackhawk Tatang ==


Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns <br/>They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
This is the main knife used in-game. It is used as the main melee weapon, the Tactical Knife, and the Throwing knife. The regular knife, The Tactical Knife, an attachment for Handguns which allows faster knife stab and faster recovery. USP .45's Akimbo attachment has the same swing speed as the Tactical Knife, but with the regular recovery speed, and
The Throwing Knife, a ranged alternative, available as Equipment.


It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.
A [https://fourzerotwo.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/tactical-throwing-knife/comment-page-1/ custom Tatang] engraved with Infinity Ward's logo was gifted to Infinity Ward by The Sea Snipers (the crew responsible for the multiplayer strategy guide of MW2).


==what AK is this?==
[[Image:BH15TT00BK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Blackhawk Tatang in real life.]]
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387


In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:CoDMW2Knife.png|thumb|none|400px|The Blackhawk Tatang as the regular knife.]]


== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:USP__45_tactical_knife_6.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Blackhawk Tatang as the Tactical Knife, paired with the USP .45 in the "Harries Technique" stance.]]
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil.  The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
[[Image:624px-Throwing_knife_floor.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A used Throwing Knife A.K.A. Blackhawk Tatang.]]
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


*A Kriss Super V?
== Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed ==
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
The Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed [https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/axe-used-in-call-of-duty.821016/ appears] as "Combat Knife" and is used by Soap to kill Shepherd.
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941  since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur.  It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots.  It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver.  On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best.  This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.


== The machine gun ==
== Cold Steel GI Tanto ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
A Cold Steel GI Tanto blade affixed to a Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed grip is used by Soap to kill Shepherd in the Remaster.
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the      it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]


It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.
== Mk 3 Navy Seal Diving Knife ==
Two crossed Mk 3 Navy Seal Diving knives are depicted in the "Commando" perk icon.


== Unrealeted ==
== Mark 82 Bomb ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the     ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother    ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Mark 82 Bombs are dropped by the B-2 Spirit as part of the "Stealth Bomber" killstreak.
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!


To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.
=Attachments=
== Red Dot Sight ==
The Red Dot Sight is a fictionalized depiction of Docter style red dots with a battery compartment similar to Burris Fastfire 3. In reality, these are relatively small micro-style sights as they are intended for handguns, however, the game's depiction is enlarged as to pass for a regular red dot. Additionally, in the Remaster, it has the turn on/off switch from the Burris Fastfire 2 and a battery compartment similar to Vortex Venom red dot.


Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Equipping the Red Dot Sight on the F2000 in multiplayer will replace it with the F2000's factory 1.6x optical sight. This sight does not offer any extra zoom benefits when compared to the standard sight, and uses an incorrect red dot reticle; the correct reticle is seen in the remaster. F2000s with the factory sight can be found in the campaign alongside versions with the default red dot, referred to as a scope.
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


==Hopes For New Game==
== Holographic Sight ==
The '''EOTech 551''' (distinguishable from the 511 model due to the presence of a night vision mode button on the control panel of the 551) appears as the "Holographic Sight". However, the two knobs found on the right sight of the real sight are incorrectly depicted on the left side in-game. It's also depicted without a protective shroud like the earlier Bushnell holosights.


Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.
== Thermal Scope ==
The Thermal Scope is visually based on night vision devices such as the AN/PVS-14 or the Armasight Spark Multi-purpose night vision monocular, but functionally it works like a thermal scope. Night vision scopes usually don't have thermal capabilities and can't work during day time.


What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
== ACOG ==
The standard ACOG model is based on the Trijicon ACOG 4x32 ECOS. It is likely based on an airsoft model due to the use of the Trijicon TA51 mount instead of the ECOS' proprietary scope mount. The in-game model lacks the back up red dot sight, and the BUIS is mounted backward and modeled taller to accommodate for the lack of the red dot mount.


Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.
The L86A1 uses the SUSAT scope when equipped with an ACOG.


I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
== Swarovski Scope ==
The AUG A2 in the campaign uses a fictional rail-mounted Swarovski scope from the AUG A1. The AUG A3 in the remaster replaces this with a proper A1 Swarovski scope.


I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
== Heartbeat Sensor ==
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as      like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
The Heartbeat Sensor is a fictional device inspired by the M314 Motion Tracker from the ''Alien'' franchise.


=Discussion=
== MP5K or PDW? ==


My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.
Y'know, if you take a look at the MP5K's barrel, it actually extends out PAST the front sight post. Wouldn't this make it a PDW sans Folding Stock? [[user:gamerfreakB7|GamerfreakB7]]
:An MP5K PDW is just an MP5K with a folding stock, so I think it's labeled correctly. The extended barrel is just there to mount a suppressor (as does happen in the game) and can be put on any MP5K. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::Not it isn't, regular MP5K doesn't have the lugged/extended barrel. The only production MP5K variant with barrel lugs and no stock is the MP5K-N (picture labelled on the MP5 page as an MP5KN is not it, that is just an MP5K with Navy trigger group). However, as the name implies it should have a Navy trigger group, and as this has an SEF one, then this gun is an MP5K fitted with the barrel from an MP5K-N/MP5K-PDW. Also when optics are fitted technically it turns into an MP5KA1, as the rear sight can't be removed from a regular MP5K like they are on this gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)


I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.
== Question about apparel? ==


==Winchester 1200==
What kind of Jacket is Roach and Ghost wereing during loose ends? I'v seen jackets like the Condor Sierra Fleece but it doesn't come in gray. Heres an example


We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/071031-M-3197S-023.jpg
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:The closest thing to it I'm aware of is a [http://www.tripleaughtdesign.com/Apparel/Jackets/Ranger-Hoodie TAD Ranger Hoodie]. I think the one in the game is either an earlier generation, or messed around with slightly. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:16, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun      in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


== Alright ==
Thanks man :)---P226 12:37, 19 November 2011 (CST)
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


Here they come:
That's an expensive hoodie, but I've heard they're really well built. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:21, 10 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


== gameplay demo ==
== Name Change ==


did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
I suggest we change the name from Modern Warfare 2 to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, as MW3's page is called [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]].[[User:Sith Venator|Sith Venator]] 18:55, 20 November 2011 (CST)
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal


Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions?  Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.
:Agree. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:30, 21 November 2011 (CST)


It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
::It's also the title listed on IMDB. Done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:39, 21 November 2011 (CST)
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It was about time to move the page. In the past it was suggested like 10 times. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:20, 21 November 2011 (CST)


All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal
== 'M4 Carbine' Barrel ==


I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal
The barrel of the M4 in game has no step down for the M203 so does that noot make it the AR-15A3 like in CoD4?
EoghanG93 14:04 29/05/2012


:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
== Ranger's Standard Issue Rifle ==


::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
On the main page, it says that the M16A4 is depicted as their standard issue, but it's actually the FN SCAR-H. It is often the default starting weapon for Pvt. Ramirez on campaign missions (M4A1 if not), and is also used by the other members of Hunter Two-One (such as Cpl. Dunn and Sgt. Foley). Finally, it can most often than not be picked up off of fallen Rangers during the campaign. The M16A4, by contrast, is not used by Hunter Two-One, and only really starts to show up in the last few US campaign missions (the ones in Washington D. C.) where it can be picked up in the first-aid bunker or retrieved off of fallen allies. --[[User:Ultimagameboy|Ultimagameboy]] 10:54, 10 July 2012 (CDT)


It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal


The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal
When it says the M16A4 is their standard issue weapon, it means in real life, not in game.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 21:07, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
:Except it says that it it is "correctly depicted" as their standard issue weapon, implying it is common in the hands of ''in-game'' Rangers (which it is not). [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 11:49, 13 October 2012 (EDT)


:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.
== M4A1==


new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.
Someone made a note about how the M4A1 was missing some key components. If you look in the multiplayer picture, you can see that there is a forward assist. -Survivalkid21


I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
== Custom AK 47 ==
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
This AK look's exactly like [http://www.lilifolies-airsoft.com/Files/26487/Img/24/CYMA-CM-028-C-CM-028-C-CM028C-AEG-ELECTRIQUE-SEMI-FULL-AUTO-HOP-UP-FB2366-AIRSOFT.jpg Cyma 028c] which is airsoft gun. - Witol96 10:19PM 01.08.2013 UTC +01:00
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal
:Not surprising. You know, you'd think that, with the countless millions these games have made to date, the higher ups could spring for some real weapons and accessories to model off of. Adding a little bit of authenticity wouldn't change the core gameplay one bit. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)


::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Even better, [http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=32533 here's] what I think is the actual reference model. It has a 74-style gas block, the aforementioned conversion kit, the Crane stock (the in-game model is Crane with VLTOR-like texture), and it even has the front sling ring and IO SCOP0040 mount! The only differences are that the in-game model has a different ACOG model, and a rail cover instead of a folding grip. [[User:DJ von CAHEK|DJ_von_CAHEK]] ([[User talk:DJ von CAHEK|talk]]) 13:04, 19 May 2018 (EDT)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


== New guns found ==


I found new guns and i would like to put them in the page.


These guns are: M40A3, M249 SAW, M60E4, H&K G36C.


I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
And i would also add details for the Remington Model 700P.
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little    er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.


==Weapons-trailers==
[[User:bonshomme|bonshomme]]


Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the  110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
Maybe you could give us some details? Seems like everything would have been found and IDed by now. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:49, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.
He's referring to weapons that were scrapped or can only be seen with the "noclip" PC command.--[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 17:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)


:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I have put these guns on the page. I will try search more scrapped guns in the game. [[User:bonshomme|bonshomme]] ([[User talk:bonshomme|talk]]) 14:08, 3 March 2013 (EDT)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all        . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


== Hbar? ==
==AUG HBAR==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother    is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the weapon in-game the [[:File:Hbar.jpg|HBAR-T]] variant? Or maybe this one is semi-auto only or something? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:14, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
:That looks right, though we should have separate entries for the AUG A2 that appears in campaign and then the HBAR-T that appears in multiplayer IMO. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:33, 3 December 2015 (EST)
::Done. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:16, 6 December 2015 (EST)
:::We would need caps for the HBAR-T. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:04, 9 December 2015 (EST)
::::<s>Just to note something, I've recently moved the Steyr AUG HBAR-T entry to the sniper rifles section, because while the original HBAR is an LMG, the HBAR-T is a DMR; if something needs to be corrected in this let me know. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:03, 10 December 2016 (EST)</s>
:::::Actually nevermind, it's used in the DMR role but it's still mechanically an LMG, I guess; I'm moving it back to the MGs section. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:40, 13 March 2017 (EDT)


Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal
==Regarding the L86A1's drum mag==
There's a Chinese drum magazine for 5.56x45mm rifles that holds 110 or 120 rounds (some sources say 110, other say the 120; maybe both are available), and it looks almost identical to L86's drum mag seen in game (as well as the "MG36"'s drum mag from MW3). It could be the basis for the drum mag in-game (which we would mention if it's the case), though I think that the real one is out of stock/production --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:16, 6 December 2015 (EST)
:Got any pics of that stuff?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:46, 9 December 2015 (EST)
::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i43FguvNTCQ Here] and [http://www.gunauction.com/buy/8252873 here]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:52, 9 December 2015 (EST)
:::Wonder if you can go for a nice drum solo on two of those...--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:14, 9 December 2015 (EST)
Also, a question: it's always incorrect for a revolver to be reloaded like the Python in Black Ops is, right? (holding it muzzle up and dumping rounds instead of using the ejector rod) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:51, 26 December 2015 (EST)
:It's likely to result in spent casings not actually coming out since they expand slightly in the chambers from firing stresses in a real gun (it's fine to do with an airsoft revolver, which is probably why you often see it in games). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:12, 26 December 2015 (EST)
::Alright, so I'll mention this inaccuracy in the concerned pages. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:14, 26 December 2015 (EST)


:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
==Machine pistols==
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it rather incorrect how the PP-2000 in MW2 and the FMG-9 in MW3 are classed as machine pistols? I think they fall more under submachine guns. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:48, 10 January 2017 (EST)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think this is getting a little semantic but the phrase "submachine gun" is an American phrase dating back to the Thompson; meanwhile Germans still have been using the ''maschinenpistole'' designation since the MP18. I think it's better to leave the page as is rather than come up with potential ''alternate facts.'' (Also, I think the FMG9 uses a Glock slide and frame internally, it seems more like a pistol in a micro carbine kit IMO.)--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 14:38, 9 February 2017 (EST)


I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
== Plausible Theory on Why the Russian use "Incorrect Guns". ==


:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I know that a lot of time passed but please listen. In the first Modern Warfare game a Russian Civil War happened. So maybe the war became a proxy conflict. Western Countries (US,Germany,Belgium,France,Austria,Israel and South Africa for sure, judging from the guns present in all the three games) gave guns to the Loyalist for helping them win the war (this happen in real life look at the Kurds Peshmergas), because they knew that if the Ultranationalist would had won something would happened (like it did it). Italy, considering that in real life is very filo-russian, maybe supplied the Ultranationalist (note that they have the [[M1014]] and [[Beretta 92]] in the first game]]. Eastern European (Poland,Czechia,Slovakia,Hungary,Bulgaria,Romania) guns cannot be seen, despite being common, because their governments didn't wanted to gave their weapons to Russian because of some events named Cold War and Communism. And Israel ([[CTAR-21]]) got also the justification that the Ultranationalist helped rogue Middle-Eastern which are Israeli natural enemies. After the Ultranationalist won, they simply took the arsenal and used in the Invasion of US.
Also this could explain the commonness of the [[Vector]]. TDI looked at the civil war and took the opportunity to sell it to loyalist. This would have helped the buisness. Look realistic and made sense now? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 09:50, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
:A plausible, well-thought-out idea, Danny, but I think that you're putting a fair bit more thought into it than IW did. Still, it does add up. Good thinking. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 10:16, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
::Naw, it's still a little far-fetched since those weapons would require parts and ammunition the Russians didn't make themselves, and their presence would still be dwarfed by the number of Russian weapons in Russia. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:13, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
:::Well, it's not exactly like this would be the first time that the Russians would be doing that; during WWI, they used everything from [[Arisaka Type 30|Arisaka]]s to [[Vetterli-Vitali rifle M1870/87|Vetterli]]s to [[Winchester Model 1895|Winchester]]s, after their war minister declared rifles more precious than gold, and they started throwing out requests for guns to literally anyone who'd listen. Granted, the Second Russian Civil War would have to be going pretty damned badly for them to do this, but they did lose, so that could be the case. They still ought to be using more Russian weapons, but it at least makes some sense. (Then again, this is making the rather bold assumption that anything about MW2 was thought through all the way, but it's interesting to theorize nonetheless). [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:26, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
::::The fact that the Ultranationalists received weaponry from several dealers such as Imran Zakhaev and Alejandro Rojas could be considered as a justification, but still it's obvious that it's merely for gameplay variety that the games included such weapons. I mean, it's ironic that the in-game Russians went and adopted these while also using the out-of-service AK-47s and RPDs in great numbers instead of having the much more appropriate AK-74M, PKM, Saiga 12, Makarov PM, etc. - Gotta love how the MW series think that modern Russian troops use the 7.62x39mm as standard ammunition (I mean, even the thing intended to pass for an AKS-74U is modeled with a 7.62 mag), whereas ironically Black Ops 1 believes that the Spetsnaz used the time-traveling 5.45x39mm ammo in the 1960s. Also, Pyro, Soap's monologue in the intro of "The Gulag" implies that the Ultranationalists did actually win the Second Russian Civil War. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:58, 29 May 2018 (EDT)
::::Well, your average arms dealer can explain old guns but not advanced new guns like the [[MG4]] which would be supplied only by Nations. If Rojas sold such systems he would stayed in a Villa in Copacabana and not in a Favela. However CoD universe is not our universe despite being similar. Think with their geopolitics when thinking about it, not with ours.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 02:33, 6 June 2018 (EDT)
:::::As far as I can remember, in the Black Ops, the Cuban police use Soviet [s]shotgun[/s] magazine-fed grenade launcher KS-23 (which for some reason seems to work like an ordinary 12-gauge shotgun) instead the Winchester/Remington/Ithaca, and rides on limousines (!) GAZ-13.  COD is clearly not the place where you can find a lot of realism. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 13:29, 29 May 2018 (EDT)


::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, judging from the arsenal that Russian use in MW3 Defiance looks like the Russian had a "all-or-nothing" mentality as they used everything, from [[SKS]] to [[AK-74]]. They wanted revenge so seems likely that they used everything they got while invading US. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 03:35, 11 June 2018 (EDT)


::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
==ACR is actually Masada==
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Magpul themselves state the following in the comments of [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTnlNyhuO_U this video]: ''"Masada is the name of the concept rifle that was released as the ACR. Gen 1 Masadas had the charging handle in the middle of the receiver. Gen 2 Masadas were forward and dual sided. It was not till Gen 3 of the concept that the charging handle looked and operated as current ACR."''
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.


:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
What I make out of this is that the [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Magpul_masada.jpg photo of the Masada that we have here] is gen 1 and the so called gen 3 is actually the Bushmaster/Remington modification. This leads me to the conclusion that the "ACR" in game is actually based on the so called 2nd gen Masada. It has the front sight of Masada, the early handguard, the [https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Shot-Show-2007-Picture-Tour--Completed-with-254-pictures/118-310630/have early Masada charging handle] and the forward and ambidextrous charging handle.


:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
The problem is, I can't find a photo of a real gen 2 Masada on the web, it seems like all Masada pictures that cover the gen 2 specifications are just airsoft things. Maybe the devs actually based the in game model on an airsoft gun? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:09, 27 October 2018 (EDT)


::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Finally managed to find a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIlW1t2mgNc video of the rare 2nd gen Masada] in action. Apparently, all Bushmaster did was to take this design and remove the full auto mode. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2019 (EDT)
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2.  [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
== Quality Image dump ==


I'm going to upload some standardized images for the page but I'm kind of short on time to go through and caption all of them, so anyone who cares to do so can take care of it. I'll probably dump them here first.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:00, 1 November 2018 (EDT)


Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.


I'm gonna start replacing some of the worse images with these new ones. Good job AgentGumby. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:40, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
:He actually did it. The absolute madlad. Here's to AgentGumby, everybody. 3 cheers! [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:06, 1 November 2018 (EDT)


== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==
Hey AgentGumby, can you tell me how did you make these images showing the right-side of a weapon? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 01:28, 2 November 2018 (EDT)
:Basically in the settings you switch the look sensitivity to maximum, and you keep looking at the right during gameplay. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:05, 2 November 2018 (EDT)


A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
[[File:MW2 AK47 (5).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
[[File:MW2 M4A1 (6).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
[[File:MW2 M16A4 (5).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
[[File:MW2 M200 (4).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[File:MW2 FAL (5).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]


:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
== About the cut weapons ==
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and    s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda    ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]


== More weapons comfirmed ==
I think those should go here on the talk page or in their own section, as they aren't really available at all unless you have a cracked copy of the game AFAIK (you can't get to them on the Steam version at least, or even do things like adjust FoV on that version). Besides, their formatting is rather glaringly bad with ultra widescreen and the rather awkward "spoiler alerts" they originally came with.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:49, 4 November 2018 (EST)
:I'm down. I recall some similar images having been removed from the MW3 page in the past due to the fact that they can't be obtained in a legal way, and I guess this also applies here. And ugh... that ugly 4:3 aspect ratio is something that should be forbidden! --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:40, 5 November 2018 (EST)
::I agree with AgentGumby’s points. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 13:32, 5 November 2018 (EST)


It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
== Comments on the state of the page ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Because I don't have MW2 and thus can't really take any images, I just want to make a few suggestions as to what is still needed:


== CPT. Price ==
* Proper images for the M67 hand grenade and the M18 smoke grenade in first person.
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
* Replacements for all 4:3 images in better aspect ratios (mainly the Mark 19 Mod 3 Automatic Grenade Launcher image and the Browning M2 Machine gun)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
* A better replacement image to illustrate the old MW1 Deagle model in MW2, replacing this tiny image:
[[File:Deagledunn 6.png|thumb|600px|none|A close-up of CPL Dunn's (voiced by [[Barry Pepper]]) Desert Eagle. This and the one on the floor of the panic room in "Exodus" are the Call of Duty 4 models.]]
*Maybe I am asking too much with this one, but maybe we can get higher resolution Create-A-Class images to replace the somewhat dirty ones we have right now.


How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Also, I want to ask, is this RPD iron sight image the default in-game iron sights or somehow manually adjusted with in-game movements to resolve the misalignment? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:35, 8 November 2018 (EST)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor
[[File:MW2 RPD (2).jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:It was adjusted by looking downwards, I just checked in-game. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:52, 24 November 2018 (EST)


Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!
Based on the [https://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mini-Uzi_Iron_Sight_MW2.png COD wiki image], I think that this image has been given the "shake it hard" treatment to make the sights appear aligned. Can we get a picture of the default non-aligned iron sights? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 23:58, 2 December 2018 (EST)
[[File:MW2 Mini-Uzi (2).jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:Apologies, I'll get some original images and try to post them soon.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 20:10, 5 December 2018 (EST)


No, Soap leads the Task Force
== A question for Wuzh ==


Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.
Hi Wuzh,


*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be offensive or butthurt or something. I just want to ask you a question and expect your honest answer. Here is my question:
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
[[File:MW2 M240 ammo box.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:13, 7 February 2019 (EST)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
: Hmm... actually I think you can say that the shape is influenced by the M249 box. The rest of the details (in particular the textures) seem completely different. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 20:48, 7 February 2019 (EST)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Well, the box is basically the same and it is clear that they recycled it from the previous game to cut down efforts of making a new belt/magazine. Even if they changed some textures or minor details that doesn't change the fact that it is based/inspired/whatever on the M249 box. That is important information, imagine if some dude wants to reenact MW2 yeah I know it is wonky thing but he comes here and finds that we call that gun's magazine "fictional" so he becomes depressed because he can't reenact say the No Russian mission while in reality the magazine exists and we could just have stated it. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:56, 7 February 2019 (EST)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::: Uh, OK. I added a mention of the shape of the box being the same as the M249 box in the section. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 21:05, 7 February 2019 (EST)
:::: My line of thinking is that I'm still not satisfied with the description being "a fictional box which has the shape of M249". Dude I can't understand the "fictional" part. You said it youself, it has the shape of M249 box then logically it is an M249 box. What is the point in calling something real "fictional"? Would you define for example the Model 733 with backwards sights from GTA vice city as "fictional rifle which has the general shape of Model 733"? What's the point of all of this and please tell me what details in the "M249 shaped box" are different enough for you to define it as fictional? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 21:21, 7 February 2019 (EST)
::::: Ah, I see, so your problem is ultra realism. If you think that game developers make their guns thinking whether a given magazine fits their caliber you are wrong. For example many guns in COD WW2 had extended mags from other guns like M3 grease gun with luger drum magazine which I'm doubtful it will work in real life. Does this make the luger drum fictional? No. It only makes its use with another weapon it's not intended for fictional or erroneous so if you want to define something as fictional that is the inappropriate usage of the magazine and not the magazine itself. Also there is no need to delete you statements, we are here to debate. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 21:40, 7 February 2019 (EST)


The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably  grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...
OK then. I guess you're right. Go have it your way. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 21:42, 7 February 2019 (EST)


*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
By the way, can we use that original image of the Vorkuta M249 on the Black Ops page?--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 22:56, 7 February 2019 (EST)


Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys
:: The image is from the COD wiki so I suppose we can't.--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:27, 8 February 2019 (EST)


*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
== Explaining Russian "incorrect" weapons ==
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest


Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
Like the post before said, this is old, and maybe it's been discussed a lot, but I wanted to ask whether it would be worth pointing out what accurate weapons the Russians would use despite the game's fiction (especially branches such as VDV Paratroopers, who would never carry Armsel Strikers, FN FALs or TAR-21s, no matter what the geopolitics of the game dictate). I'd like to add small notes on certain weapons, if anything, for the sake of clarity (just like the article correctly points out the blatant inaccuracies of Russians using AK-47s and RPDs, no matter how modernized they are, in the 2010s). Not counting the weapons used by Makarov and his terrorist thugs, the weapons used by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the MW series are something I find really hard to ignore, particularly the usage of USPs, P90s, Steyr AUGs, AA-12s, FAMAS and MG4s used in MW2. At least Russian soldiers in MW3 mostly used proper Russian weapons throughout the game. Russia has always had a very different philosophy from the West when it comes to firearms and what should be used by the Armed Forces, and I personally find it important to point out in this article. Anyone else agree with clarifying the usage of certain weapons and providing likely real-life alternatives for the sake of accuracy?--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 05:41, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.
:Yes, mentioning inaccurate/anachronistic weapon depictions has precedent on this site. Also, after every post you make just add -- followed by 4 tildes, it'll make it easier to keep track of who's who in a discussion.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:23, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
::Alright, I see some if not most of my edits on why Russians use incorrect guns have been edited out (some remain, which I'm glad about). There was even a very good explanation by a user who wrote about why the FN FAL would never be issued to Russians as it was known as "the right arm of the free world," a very good point in my opinion on why the official Russian Army would never use it, much less Ultranationalist paratroopers, not just in real life but also in the context of this game. I know perhaps I've been overdoing it in terms of explaining what the Russians use as standard-issue in real life, but what's the point of stating that AK-47s and RPDs are anachronistic and inaccurate for Russians and that they should be using AK74Ms or PKMs, and then completely ignore that Russians use weapons they would never, ever use as standard-issue like FN FALs, Steyr AUGs and FAMAS F1s? I'm not complaining or anything, it's OK by me if everyone wants the article to remain this way, but I just really don't understand the criteria on this site sometimes. I think it's proper to point out these inaccuracies when it comes to what armies are issued, in the same way we point out why certain guns are depicted incorrectly. Other articles, like the ''Battlefield 2'' one, point out for example that the Chinese People's Liberation Army wouldn't be issued AK-47s in the 2000s, a very valid point, since they use QBZ-95s, and readers should know. It's all for the sake of accuracy, not nitpicking. Another user said "nobody cares" regarding these edits, well, I beg to differ, because I sure care, and any Russian weapons enthusiast or connoisseur would as well. Either we agree on the fact of explaining each weapon, its depiction and its usage and if they're accurate, or we don't, but we need cohrence for this article. We can't say that Russians wouldn't be issued the USP45 and then not even mention the FN FALs as if it has always been normal for Russians to use them. I know it's a game and it's fiction, and I don't care how the Russians got those weapons in the game's fiction, but they're just incorrect and strange choices for this particular army, and that's why in my opinion they should be pointed out. For future edits, I'd like to know what's the official stance regarding this topic around here, because otherwise I'm not going to bother anymore pointing out things that will be edited out. I'm still relatively new to how things work around here, that's why I'm saying this, so senior members call me out on this if I'm wrong, but I think what I'm saying is reasonable.--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 10:19, 17 September 2019 (EDT)


No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::: The official stance is that there is no official stance; we have official admin stances on categorization and page structure and stuff, but commentary writing is more or less completely unrestricted. In terms what writers usually do though, while discussion of inaccurate and anachronistic weapons have precedent on this site, they are not standard expectations for a page (unlike discussions of mechanical inaccuracies), and different writers treat the subject differently. Some writers may want to point out every little detail, and other writers may prefer to minimize them because they really don't think it matters that much within the framework of the fictional setting, and in terms of the contents of the page. (We don't point out Captain Price's fictionality as an inaccuracy of the games' portrayal of the SAS, because that's just a useless comment that takes "accuracy to real life" way too far.)
==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery.  When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].


:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
::: In my honest opinion, I think that some writers might've objected to your writing because of the sheer volume of words in them; your paragraphs are often so long that they end up eclipsing the base paragraphs, and are stuffed with excessive fluff. You don't need to mention that the FAL is nicknamed "Right arm of the free world" when all you need to say is "The Russians never used the FAL in real life." I don't object to talking about usage inaccuracies, but I would prefer if you write them more elegantly. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 01:35, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
:::: Thanks for the answer. That FAL "right arm of the free world" line wasn't mine by the way, I liked it, but it wasn't mine. While I'll try to be more concise with my writing (you're right to say I'm prone to excessive amounts of information, but I don't know about "elegance," I find that very subjective), I only mind pointing out which weapons Russians should be using in real life and compare them to what they use in-game, and some of it was deleted altogether, including the mention of innacuracy. I don't mind the degree of detail in pointing out the inaccuracy as long as it is noted; a little note would suffice, for example, in the FAL, TAR-21, FAMAS and Steyr AUG sections (just like the USP45 still retains the mention of innacuracy and the line about Russian weapons military doctrine I wrote). I've seen in other sites this complaint of innacuracy regarding the weapons Russians bafflingly use as standard-issue in the game, so I wanted to include them here for any fans of the game who might be wondering about this too, that's all.--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 06:23, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
::::: The info and analysis you wrote was just too long and specialized to be mentioned on the main page. However, you can always write it down on you user pager. Make something like "MW2 weapon analysis" section and compile all the info in subsections and you are good to go. That way you can even have similar historical weapon analysis for other games as well, without cluttering their respective main pages.--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:00, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::: Alright, that seems like a satisfying solution to this, I hadn't thought of that, might give it a go. Thank you very much for your answer.--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 18:57, 22 September 2019 (EDT)


== The New pictures ==
== Hummvee legal dispute trivia ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of    ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother    ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother    ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]


== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[File:MWR Humvee.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Accurately modeled HMMWVs in the ''Call of Duty 4'' remaster.]]
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
[[File:MW2R Humvee.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A "Humvee" in MW2R.]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the      is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


== MP7? Are you sure? ==
The pseudo Humvee in MW2R appears to be a hybrid between Terradyne Gurkha and the "Chinese Humvee" Dongfeng EQ2050. Lol, it looks like in the MW universe America had to outsource even the humvees to China. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:01, 19 May 2020 (EDT)


Where do you exactly see MP7?
== About Anaconda in the remaster ==
 
While looking at the extracted model, I noticed that it got a decidedly non-Colt cylinder release latch. Is it based on anything real? [[User:Lunar Watcher|Lunar Watcher]] ([[User talk:Lunar Watcher|talk]]) 02:11, 30 May 2022 (EDT)
I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
[[File:MW2R Anaconda model.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The model in question]]
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
:It looks like the cylinder latch of the [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] or subsequent modern models, it seems to be another hybrid revolver as with the MW2019 .357. Good catch.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:38, 30 May 2022 (EDT)
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus
 
 
== FAL Please ==
 
I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)
 
== XM8!!!!!! ==
 
Dear god no, someone is saying an XM8 is in this game?! Is there no GOD!? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't even know where those non-confirmed guns came from. Did they come from those youtube videos about the game's weapons?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
: There better not be an XM8.-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 15:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::The XM8 is a piece of    ing shit so it better not be in this game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I have to agree. The XM8 is overused in games as it is, and it sucks shit. It couldn't even stand up to the M4A1 or M16A4 in US Army testing for christ's sakes!--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least it was better than those    ing Air Burst rifles. I can't    ing believe most NATO countries thought that would work. Just look at those things! They look like something outta a    ing Anime!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the air burst idea was a massive fail. and remember the OICW program? A multishot grenade launcher and IR scope attached to a rifle, and they wanted a single soldier to carry all that?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 17:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least the XM25 is working.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 
Guys, chill out, will ya? If you want some enlightenment, the XM8 competed in a "dust test" with the M4A1, HK416, and the SCAR-L, and scored lowest number of stoppages [http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/]. Here's the score:
 
XM8: 127 Stoppages
M4: 882 Stoppages
HK416: 233 Stoppages
SCAR-L: 226 Stoppages
 
The M4 was outperformed by the HK416, SCAR, and XM8, but the army is still standing by the M4A1. Read the article that I've linked to to learn more. -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]
 
but they said something like 500 of those M4 stoppages were due to bad magazines, they said that only a handful of the M4's barrels had to be replaced, but so did the other competitors. So in reality, the M4 is still pretty up to date, and it means that there isnt one gun that is so significantly better that the M4 needs to be replaced, but I can understand SOCOM procurements, it makes sense to have the best rifle available in that situation. Personally I don't have a problem with any new guns, but as a taxpayer, I don't want to dish out all kinds of money for a new rifle.
 
:The M4 is still superior since stoppages don't mean anything.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 
::Sorry, but I have to say that stoppages ''do'' mean something. As a retired Corporal, I've seen situations where the M4 kept double-feeding itself and I was unable to fire off a round in any direction without taking my time clearing the chamber by pulling the charging handle repeatedly. The M16 had the same problem in the Vietnam War, and cost many veterans their lives. Other than the jamming malfunctions, the M4/M16 series outstands in its power. To say that one weapon is better than another in a generic comparison is pure ignorance. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 17:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Hell we need to start using the Famas      the M16 it has never been that good anyways.
 
yeah we can start using the FAMAS and have the same problems we had with the M16A1.
 
 
:: Actually: It does. The US Army and you can say what you want, 89% of the soldiers do have confidence in the weapon, but the M4A1 still has some problems that the remaining 11% complain about. (Also, that wikipedia article said that 20% of soldiers were dissatisfied with ease of maintenance, which A.) goes to show how easy it is to use, and B.) means that 20% would be that much more frustrated with a new rifle that is easier to use. Also, that 75% of soldiers only wanted to change the weight and magazine issues, but said nothing about replacing it, looks like the M4 is just to popular to get rid of.)
 
1. The handguards can rattle and can become very hot when fired. (R.I.S. barrels have been added to fix that)
 
2. There can be difficulty zeroing the M68 reflex sight. (that's due to the scopes inferior technology, which is why we have EOtech scopes now)
 
3. The rifle has had double-feeding issues, jamming, and feeding problems with the magazine. (the U.S. Army has begun fielding new magazines to cope with that problem, which was actually why the M4 suffered such a heavy loss in the extreme dust competition)
 
 
55% of Soldiers have also complained that the weapon is too heavy, and want it to be made lighter, and 20% want a bigger magazine. Have you even fired one? Because your statement seems a fit unfounded if you have nothing to support your claim.-[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]
:No i never fired one because here in Brazil, weapons for civilian use were banned in the entire country. However, i did read Wikipedia's entire article on the M16 and its varients and the M4. And the M4 even when it's loaded, weights a mere 3.1 kilograms.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
*Out of all the weapons tested, I much prefer the SCAR, and so do US Special Forces as they're adopting it already--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
: Lets hope that the military will ditch the M4/M16 for a Battle Rifle like the SCAR-H or an FAL derivative (Maybe the shorty DSA model) so the troops can use a more effective bullet, cuz that 5.56 BS isn't cutting it-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 20:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think they could just rechamber most of the M4s and M16s to 6.8 mm Remington SPC. I don't know if that would be a easy thing to do though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Well Barrett did build the M468/ Rec-7 for the military, but they rejected it. Why not just buy some Rec-7s? But really, I've always thought the 7.62 NATO round was a much better bullet. And a the DSA stubby wouldn't be a bad carbine to use either.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:7.62 rounds give way too much recoil. I still say the 5.56 NATO and 6.8 SPC is still better than 7.62 NATO. You know what? The M4 and M16s don't need to be replaced. There, i said it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::At a glance it does seem very simple to solve the M4 problems, swap ammo with 6.8, jamming mags? Get better ones, make it lighter, etc. But it is a pretty hard process to replace a standarize weapon that's been in service for so long that it's engraved into American military mentality. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It still a prototype so back the      off, M4s piss and moan like a freakin baby they're only good for SWAT if an AK got a shell in the barrel it would still fire, never have an M4 in the desert.
::If you are talking about the XM8, the XM8 ''was'' a prototype. Fortunately, it was cancelled in 2005. The American troops that are in the shit, like the M4 and the M16A4. And they are the ones in the desert. The problems with the magazines could be fixed by replacing the unrealible STANAG magazines with the P-MAG magazines and making bigger magazines that could store more rounds. We don't need to replace the M4 and the M16 because of problems that could be easily fixed. The same thing can be applied to the M249 replacement program.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 
I don't see why everyone thinks the XM-8 is horrible. It's a prototype. Not everyone was happy with the M-16s in nam. Partially due to military error saying the guns didn't need to be cleaned and partially due to new materials being tried out. That's besides the point. I don't see how the XM-8 is such a bad weapon. They don't even need to put it in single player or anything. They didn't have an M40 in single player and it's my favorite rifle in CoD4. If you read up on the XM-8 it wasn't such a bad gun. Now I do disagree about it being in the game because it's a prototype weapon. Still I'd like people to at least put down some evidence as to why they absolutely are disgusted with the XM-8 and refuse to see it in this game.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
 
As usual fanboys must let everyone know how much they absolutely despise the XM8 for no legitimate reason while at the same time proclaiming the M16/M4 series is the best weapon ever. They have never fired either weapon and cite their wikipedia knowledge while not realizing how clueless they are.
 
:Dude I HAVE a    in' M4 and it really doesn't jam that often, but it feels alot like a toy. I have had BB guns that felt sturdier-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 04:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Ok Shadow XPS, the problems of the M16 that were reported in Viet Nam WERE taken seriously later. So many changes to the M16 platform from then to now has been done to make the weapon better. They wanted to chrome it, they did it. They wanted 30 round mags to compete with the AK's, they did, they made compact versions of the weapon, rails, etc. Eventually the M16 platform is being solved one thing at a time. It isn't the perfect gun, but no rifle is and it's all about preferences. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 
I never said the problems were never taken seriously. I'm saying people were not happy with it at first because the army reported that it never needed cleaning when it did. What I'm saying is the M-16 had a rocky start but it ended up being a great gun. Now suddenly when the XM-8 rolls around with less stoppages everyone thinks it's horrible? Sure it has a few bugs but the M-16 did too.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
 
:I'm fairly sure it was the manufacturers who told the Army it was self-cleaning rather than the Army reporting that. But the XM8's main problem is just aggressive bad design for the sake of it; not being designed with current accessories in mind being the main point, though supposedly there are also issues with polymer components melting. And really, there's no reason now for the US Army to adopt a firearm on the basis it might get better someday when they have one that already has got better.<br><br>Plus the XM8 is basically just a G36 stuffed inside a silly "high-tech" shell. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 
All fair arguments. I somewhat agree with the XM-8 to G-36 thing. They seem too similar to both be in the game. As well you are right about the polymers and the fact that the XM-8 doesn't take "current" attachments. I can't remember what happened with the polymer problem but the attachments the XM-8 uses is the PCAP which are the small little oval holes. They aren't backwards compatible with the standard rails without an adapter but the attachments don't need to be re sighted because of the precision of the attachment. So it's a trade off.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
 
to tell you the truth when i first read about the XM8 I was highly impressed and only going by the hard facts on paper it became one of my favorites. Yes the polymer melted on it but if it was givien more funding or time that could have easily been solved by HK. I've never held the real thing, neither has anyone here, but I dont see that many similarities between the G36 and the XM8 other than overall shape. I thought about wanting to see the gun in this game but even though I love the gun I decided I didn't want to see it because it never made it past prototype stages and it wouldn't be very realistic to see it happening, even though this game takes place probably 10 years from now (COD4 takes place in 2011, the Chernobyl incident happened in 1986, the sniper missions take place "a decade later", in 1996, and the sniper missions take place 15 years ago, which would put the year to 2011.) As far as replacing the M4, it's not gonna happen. As long as we use bullets, we'll be using the M4 and M16. It has been so deeply engraved in the minds of the military that people will defend its unreliability to the end. The overall design of it is fine, but its internals defy reasoning. Why not go with a much more reliable gas piston system that weapons like the AK-47, the G36, XM8, SIG 552, and almost any other weapon out there have? No, Eugine Stoner went with direct impingement, which pushes the gases from a fired bullet right onto the action of the weapon. Nice choice. Back to the XM8, reportedly you can fire 15,000 rounds out of it before it requires cleaning. Compare this to the M16, where soldiers are required to clean it every day (don't argue, my father was in the Army using the M16A2). The barrel life on the XM8 is 20,000 rounds. The M4 can't even compare to that with a barrel life of only 8000 rounds. Now I don't know why HK couldn't have made the XM8 with standard Picatinny Rails while also incorporating the new Picatinny Attachment Points (although the XM8 R has rails and there is a way to attach rails to the PCAP). Plus, the XM8 carbine version comes standard out of the box with a reflex sight. So the lack of rails really being the weapons only drawback, why all the hate?
 
If they put an XM8 in this game, I'll cancel my pre-order right this second. Like has been said previously, it's waaaaaaay overused in games today. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:You can have your XM8 pieces of shit. I go with the G3 and the Imbel FAL, thank you very much.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Okay first of all that's ridiculous that you wouldn't buy a game because of one gun. however, I can personally tell you that i've fired an ar 15(m4 replica) With the direct impingement system, better mags(Hk) and a cold forge barrel, both of which are being issued to soldiers right now. Anyway back to the firing, i fired 50,000 rounds in a period of one week with very limited cleaning to the gun, twice a day to be exact, the overall rating was about 5 - 7 jams A DAY with just ONE barrel replacement, and ONCE having to re zero the sights(EOtech) one of those days was tested in the desert with some pretty gusty winds that was blowing sand and shit everywhere. But it was fine. Yes i did modify the firearm but that would be cheaper than buying a useless plastic gun that looks like a toy from HALO. my friend in the 75th got those rifles(and the SCAR) and said they're both pieces of shit and would rather have an M4 any day. especially since its a more familiar platform, he also didn't think too highly of the 416 which i thought was bizarre considering its almost the same platform, but still, that's a soldier who is confident in his weapon and a taxpayer who doesn't want to throw away money on a rifle that is only a minuscule better than his. His is cheaper, lighter, more familiar, and, in my personal opinion, cooler looking than all the other competitors. So for all you guys(kids) who talk shit about the M4 you should shut up because most of you don't know what you're talking about. only youtube videos show you the difference. And believe me, all those videos were put out by colts competitors(Hk, FN, LWRC, Barret) they're salesmen, of course they want you to think their gun is significantly better than colts M4. THEIR TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING, military or commercial.
 
== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get        off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the        faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
== HK416? ==
 
Possible HK416-
 
The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
 
that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)
 
Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.
 
==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==
 
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720
 
I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
 
== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?
 
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]
 
It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
 
 
its a FAMAS- the folded bipod
 
:Nope, it's a WA2000
 
::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 
It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.
 
yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.
 
Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small>  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
==M4==
 
The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??
 
wheres the proof?
 
==Winchester 1887==
 
No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg
 
yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.
 
I dough you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.  
Also it could be the Chinese copy.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Don't debate on the articles ==
 
Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 
I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.
:Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:57, 4 December 2023

For older discussions see Talk:Modern Warfare 2/Archive 1

Console Command Weapons

Sa vz. 61 Skorpion

The Sa vz. 61 Skorpion can be used in the mission "Team Player" via the console command "give skorpion". Its model, animations and sounds are the same as those in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

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Sa vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP
The cheated-in Skorpion in first-person...
...and in third-person

Heckler & Koch G36C

The Heckler & Koch G36C can be used on the PC version in the Special Ops mission "Suspension," by using the dev console command "give g36c_reflex". While the in-world model has a reflex sight and a front sight, the player model has neither. When aiming, the player character simply moves the gun to the center of the screen, aiming along the rail through a non-existent reflex sight. The model, sounds, and most of its animations are from the G36C in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

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Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm NATO
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The G36C in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.
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"Aiming" the G36C.
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The soldier about to throw the G36C's magazine.
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The soldier pulling the charging handle.
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Third person model of the G36C. Note the red dot sight, which is gone when picking up the gun.

Remington Model 700P

The Remington 700P can be used in the mission "Of Their Own Accord" via the console command "give remington700". The model, animations. and sounds are exactly the same as Call of Duty 4's.

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Remington Model 700P LTR - 7.62x51mm NATO
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The Remington Model 700P in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands. Of note that this level is not "Of Their Own Accord"; additionally, the French text near the center of the image is prompting the player to use an M203 which they rather clearly do not have.

M40A3

The M40A3 can be used in the singleplayer mission "Of Their Own Accord" via the console command "give m40a3". Just like the Remington 700P, the model, animations, and sounds are the same as Call of Duty 4.

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M40A3 sniper rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO
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The M40A3 in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.

M60E3

The M60E3 is only accessible in the mission "Team Player" through the console command "give m60e4". It appears incorrectly as the "M60E4". The model, sounds, and animations are from Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

M60E3 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO
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The M60E3 in Modern Warfare 2, via console commands.
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The M60E3's ADS.

M249-E2 SAW

The M249 can be used in the Spec Ops mission "Armor Piercing" via the console command "give saw". The model, sounds, and animations are from Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

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M249-E2 machine gun - 5.56x45mm NATO
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Miscellaneous

Blackhawk Tatang

This is the main knife used in-game. It is used as the main melee weapon, the Tactical Knife, and the Throwing knife. The regular knife, The Tactical Knife, an attachment for Handguns which allows faster knife stab and faster recovery. USP .45's Akimbo attachment has the same swing speed as the Tactical Knife, but with the regular recovery speed, and The Throwing Knife, a ranged alternative, available as Equipment.

A custom Tatang engraved with Infinity Ward's logo was gifted to Infinity Ward by The Sea Snipers (the crew responsible for the multiplayer strategy guide of MW2).

The Blackhawk Tatang in real life.
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The Blackhawk Tatang as the regular knife.
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The Blackhawk Tatang as the Tactical Knife, paired with the USP .45 in the "Harries Technique" stance.
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A used Throwing Knife A.K.A. Blackhawk Tatang.

Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed

The Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed appears as "Combat Knife" and is used by Soap to kill Shepherd.

Cold Steel GI Tanto

A Cold Steel GI Tanto blade affixed to a Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed grip is used by Soap to kill Shepherd in the Remaster.

Mk 3 Navy Seal Diving Knife

Two crossed Mk 3 Navy Seal Diving knives are depicted in the "Commando" perk icon.

Mark 82 Bomb

Mark 82 Bombs are dropped by the B-2 Spirit as part of the "Stealth Bomber" killstreak.

Attachments

Red Dot Sight

The Red Dot Sight is a fictionalized depiction of Docter style red dots with a battery compartment similar to Burris Fastfire 3. In reality, these are relatively small micro-style sights as they are intended for handguns, however, the game's depiction is enlarged as to pass for a regular red dot. Additionally, in the Remaster, it has the turn on/off switch from the Burris Fastfire 2 and a battery compartment similar to Vortex Venom red dot.

Equipping the Red Dot Sight on the F2000 in multiplayer will replace it with the F2000's factory 1.6x optical sight. This sight does not offer any extra zoom benefits when compared to the standard sight, and uses an incorrect red dot reticle; the correct reticle is seen in the remaster. F2000s with the factory sight can be found in the campaign alongside versions with the default red dot, referred to as a scope.

Holographic Sight

The EOTech 551 (distinguishable from the 511 model due to the presence of a night vision mode button on the control panel of the 551) appears as the "Holographic Sight". However, the two knobs found on the right sight of the real sight are incorrectly depicted on the left side in-game. It's also depicted without a protective shroud like the earlier Bushnell holosights.

Thermal Scope

The Thermal Scope is visually based on night vision devices such as the AN/PVS-14 or the Armasight Spark Multi-purpose night vision monocular, but functionally it works like a thermal scope. Night vision scopes usually don't have thermal capabilities and can't work during day time.

ACOG

The standard ACOG model is based on the Trijicon ACOG 4x32 ECOS. It is likely based on an airsoft model due to the use of the Trijicon TA51 mount instead of the ECOS' proprietary scope mount. The in-game model lacks the back up red dot sight, and the BUIS is mounted backward and modeled taller to accommodate for the lack of the red dot mount.

The L86A1 uses the SUSAT scope when equipped with an ACOG.

Swarovski Scope

The AUG A2 in the campaign uses a fictional rail-mounted Swarovski scope from the AUG A1. The AUG A3 in the remaster replaces this with a proper A1 Swarovski scope.

Heartbeat Sensor

The Heartbeat Sensor is a fictional device inspired by the M314 Motion Tracker from the Alien franchise.

Discussion

MP5K or PDW?

Y'know, if you take a look at the MP5K's barrel, it actually extends out PAST the front sight post. Wouldn't this make it a PDW sans Folding Stock? GamerfreakB7

An MP5K PDW is just an MP5K with a folding stock, so I think it's labeled correctly. The extended barrel is just there to mount a suppressor (as does happen in the game) and can be put on any MP5K. Spartan198 10:55, 16 November 2011 (CST)
Not it isn't, regular MP5K doesn't have the lugged/extended barrel. The only production MP5K variant with barrel lugs and no stock is the MP5K-N (picture labelled on the MP5 page as an MP5KN is not it, that is just an MP5K with Navy trigger group). However, as the name implies it should have a Navy trigger group, and as this has an SEF one, then this gun is an MP5K fitted with the barrel from an MP5K-N/MP5K-PDW. Also when optics are fitted technically it turns into an MP5KA1, as the rear sight can't be removed from a regular MP5K like they are on this gun. --commando552 11:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

Question about apparel?

What kind of Jacket is Roach and Ghost wereing during loose ends? I'v seen jackets like the Condor Sierra Fleece but it doesn't come in gray. Heres an example

[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/071031-M-3197S-023.jpg

The closest thing to it I'm aware of is a TAD Ranger Hoodie. I think the one in the game is either an earlier generation, or messed around with slightly. --commando552 04:16, 18 November 2011 (CST)

Thanks man :)---P226 12:37, 19 November 2011 (CST)

That's an expensive hoodie, but I've heard they're really well built. --DeltaOne 15:21, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

Name Change

I suggest we change the name from Modern Warfare 2 to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, as MW3's page is called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3.Sith Venator 18:55, 20 November 2011 (CST)

Agree. --RaNgeR 03:30, 21 November 2011 (CST)
It's also the title listed on IMDB. Done. Evil Tim 03:39, 21 November 2011 (CST)
It was about time to move the page. In the past it was suggested like 10 times. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 04:20, 21 November 2011 (CST)

'M4 Carbine' Barrel

The barrel of the M4 in game has no step down for the M203 so does that noot make it the AR-15A3 like in CoD4? EoghanG93 14:04 29/05/2012

Ranger's Standard Issue Rifle

On the main page, it says that the M16A4 is depicted as their standard issue, but it's actually the FN SCAR-H. It is often the default starting weapon for Pvt. Ramirez on campaign missions (M4A1 if not), and is also used by the other members of Hunter Two-One (such as Cpl. Dunn and Sgt. Foley). Finally, it can most often than not be picked up off of fallen Rangers during the campaign. The M16A4, by contrast, is not used by Hunter Two-One, and only really starts to show up in the last few US campaign missions (the ones in Washington D. C.) where it can be picked up in the first-aid bunker or retrieved off of fallen allies. --Ultimagameboy 10:54, 10 July 2012 (CDT)


When it says the M16A4 is their standard issue weapon, it means in real life, not in game.Kornflakes89 21:07, 15 July 2012 (CDT)

Except it says that it it is "correctly depicted" as their standard issue weapon, implying it is common in the hands of in-game Rangers (which it is not). Kadorhal (talk) 11:49, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

M4A1

Someone made a note about how the M4A1 was missing some key components. If you look in the multiplayer picture, you can see that there is a forward assist. -Survivalkid21

Custom AK 47

This AK look's exactly like Cyma 028c which is airsoft gun. - Witol96 10:19PM 01.08.2013 UTC +01:00

Not surprising. You know, you'd think that, with the countless millions these games have made to date, the higher ups could spring for some real weapons and accessories to model off of. Adding a little bit of authenticity wouldn't change the core gameplay one bit. Spartan198 (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
Even better, here's what I think is the actual reference model. It has a 74-style gas block, the aforementioned conversion kit, the Crane stock (the in-game model is Crane with VLTOR-like texture), and it even has the front sling ring and IO SCOP0040 mount! The only differences are that the in-game model has a different ACOG model, and a rail cover instead of a folding grip. DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 13:04, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

New guns found

I found new guns and i would like to put them in the page.

These guns are: M40A3, M249 SAW, M60E4, H&K G36C.

And i would also add details for the Remington Model 700P.

bonshomme

Maybe you could give us some details? Seems like everything would have been found and IDed by now. Spartan198 (talk) 17:49, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

He's referring to weapons that were scrapped or can only be seen with the "noclip" PC command.--Mr.Ice (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

I have put these guns on the page. I will try search more scrapped guns in the game. bonshomme (talk) 14:08, 3 March 2013 (EDT)

AUG HBAR

Isn't the weapon in-game the HBAR-T variant? Or maybe this one is semi-auto only or something? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2015 (EDT)

That looks right, though we should have separate entries for the AUG A2 that appears in campaign and then the HBAR-T that appears in multiplayer IMO. AgentGumby (talk) 23:33, 3 December 2015 (EST)
Done. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:16, 6 December 2015 (EST)
We would need caps for the HBAR-T. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:04, 9 December 2015 (EST)
Just to note something, I've recently moved the Steyr AUG HBAR-T entry to the sniper rifles section, because while the original HBAR is an LMG, the HBAR-T is a DMR; if something needs to be corrected in this let me know. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:03, 10 December 2016 (EST)
Actually nevermind, it's used in the DMR role but it's still mechanically an LMG, I guess; I'm moving it back to the MGs section. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:40, 13 March 2017 (EDT)

Regarding the L86A1's drum mag

There's a Chinese drum magazine for 5.56x45mm rifles that holds 110 or 120 rounds (some sources say 110, other say the 120; maybe both are available), and it looks almost identical to L86's drum mag seen in game (as well as the "MG36"'s drum mag from MW3). It could be the basis for the drum mag in-game (which we would mention if it's the case), though I think that the real one is out of stock/production --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:16, 6 December 2015 (EST)

Got any pics of that stuff?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 13:46, 9 December 2015 (EST)
Here and here. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:52, 9 December 2015 (EST)
Wonder if you can go for a nice drum solo on two of those...--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2015 (EST)

Also, a question: it's always incorrect for a revolver to be reloaded like the Python in Black Ops is, right? (holding it muzzle up and dumping rounds instead of using the ejector rod) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:51, 26 December 2015 (EST)

It's likely to result in spent casings not actually coming out since they expand slightly in the chambers from firing stresses in a real gun (it's fine to do with an airsoft revolver, which is probably why you often see it in games). Evil Tim (talk) 08:12, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Alright, so I'll mention this inaccuracy in the concerned pages. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:14, 26 December 2015 (EST)

Machine pistols

Isn't it rather incorrect how the PP-2000 in MW2 and the FMG-9 in MW3 are classed as machine pistols? I think they fall more under submachine guns. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:48, 10 January 2017 (EST)

I think this is getting a little semantic but the phrase "submachine gun" is an American phrase dating back to the Thompson; meanwhile Germans still have been using the maschinenpistole designation since the MP18. I think it's better to leave the page as is rather than come up with potential alternate facts. (Also, I think the FMG9 uses a Glock slide and frame internally, it seems more like a pistol in a micro carbine kit IMO.)--AgentGumby (talk) 14:38, 9 February 2017 (EST)

Plausible Theory on Why the Russian use "Incorrect Guns".

Well, I know that a lot of time passed but please listen. In the first Modern Warfare game a Russian Civil War happened. So maybe the war became a proxy conflict. Western Countries (US,Germany,Belgium,France,Austria,Israel and South Africa for sure, judging from the guns present in all the three games) gave guns to the Loyalist for helping them win the war (this happen in real life look at the Kurds Peshmergas), because they knew that if the Ultranationalist would had won something would happened (like it did it). Italy, considering that in real life is very filo-russian, maybe supplied the Ultranationalist (note that they have the M1014 and Beretta 92 in the first game]]. Eastern European (Poland,Czechia,Slovakia,Hungary,Bulgaria,Romania) guns cannot be seen, despite being common, because their governments didn't wanted to gave their weapons to Russian because of some events named Cold War and Communism. And Israel (CTAR-21) got also the justification that the Ultranationalist helped rogue Middle-Eastern which are Israeli natural enemies. After the Ultranationalist won, they simply took the arsenal and used in the Invasion of US. Also this could explain the commonness of the Vector. TDI looked at the civil war and took the opportunity to sell it to loyalist. This would have helped the buisness. Look realistic and made sense now? --Dannyguns (talk) 09:50, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

A plausible, well-thought-out idea, Danny, but I think that you're putting a fair bit more thought into it than IW did. Still, it does add up. Good thinking. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:16, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
Naw, it's still a little far-fetched since those weapons would require parts and ammunition the Russians didn't make themselves, and their presence would still be dwarfed by the number of Russian weapons in Russia. Evil Tim (talk) 16:13, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
Well, it's not exactly like this would be the first time that the Russians would be doing that; during WWI, they used everything from Arisakas to Vetterlis to Winchesters, after their war minister declared rifles more precious than gold, and they started throwing out requests for guns to literally anyone who'd listen. Granted, the Second Russian Civil War would have to be going pretty damned badly for them to do this, but they did lose, so that could be the case. They still ought to be using more Russian weapons, but it at least makes some sense. (Then again, this is making the rather bold assumption that anything about MW2 was thought through all the way, but it's interesting to theorize nonetheless). Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:26, 28 May 2018 (EDT)
The fact that the Ultranationalists received weaponry from several dealers such as Imran Zakhaev and Alejandro Rojas could be considered as a justification, but still it's obvious that it's merely for gameplay variety that the games included such weapons. I mean, it's ironic that the in-game Russians went and adopted these while also using the out-of-service AK-47s and RPDs in great numbers instead of having the much more appropriate AK-74M, PKM, Saiga 12, Makarov PM, etc. - Gotta love how the MW series think that modern Russian troops use the 7.62x39mm as standard ammunition (I mean, even the thing intended to pass for an AKS-74U is modeled with a 7.62 mag), whereas ironically Black Ops 1 believes that the Spetsnaz used the time-traveling 5.45x39mm ammo in the 1960s. Also, Pyro, Soap's monologue in the intro of "The Gulag" implies that the Ultranationalists did actually win the Second Russian Civil War. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:58, 29 May 2018 (EDT)
Well, your average arms dealer can explain old guns but not advanced new guns like the MG4 which would be supplied only by Nations. If Rojas sold such systems he would stayed in a Villa in Copacabana and not in a Favela. However CoD universe is not our universe despite being similar. Think with their geopolitics when thinking about it, not with ours.--Dannyguns (talk) 02:33, 6 June 2018 (EDT)
As far as I can remember, in the Black Ops, the Cuban police use Soviet [s]shotgun[/s] magazine-fed grenade launcher KS-23 (which for some reason seems to work like an ordinary 12-gauge shotgun) instead the Winchester/Remington/Ithaca, and rides on limousines (!) GAZ-13. COD is clearly not the place where you can find a lot of realism. --Slon95 (talk) 13:29, 29 May 2018 (EDT)

Well, judging from the arsenal that Russian use in MW3 Defiance looks like the Russian had a "all-or-nothing" mentality as they used everything, from SKS to AK-74. They wanted revenge so seems likely that they used everything they got while invading US. --Dannyguns (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

ACR is actually Masada

Magpul themselves state the following in the comments of this video: "Masada is the name of the concept rifle that was released as the ACR. Gen 1 Masadas had the charging handle in the middle of the receiver. Gen 2 Masadas were forward and dual sided. It was not till Gen 3 of the concept that the charging handle looked and operated as current ACR."

What I make out of this is that the photo of the Masada that we have here is gen 1 and the so called gen 3 is actually the Bushmaster/Remington modification. This leads me to the conclusion that the "ACR" in game is actually based on the so called 2nd gen Masada. It has the front sight of Masada, the early handguard, the early Masada charging handle and the forward and ambidextrous charging handle.

The problem is, I can't find a photo of a real gen 2 Masada on the web, it seems like all Masada pictures that cover the gen 2 specifications are just airsoft things. Maybe the devs actually based the in game model on an airsoft gun? --Nanomat (talk) 19:09, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

Finally managed to find a video of the rare 2nd gen Masada in action. Apparently, all Bushmaster did was to take this design and remove the full auto mode. --Nanomat (talk) 17:30, 21 April 2019 (EDT)

Quality Image dump

I'm going to upload some standardized images for the page but I'm kind of short on time to go through and caption all of them, so anyone who cares to do so can take care of it. I'll probably dump them here first.--AgentGumby (talk) 15:00, 1 November 2018 (EDT)


I'm gonna start replacing some of the worse images with these new ones. Good job AgentGumby. --Wuzh (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

He actually did it. The absolute madlad. Here's to AgentGumby, everybody. 3 cheers! Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

Hey AgentGumby, can you tell me how did you make these images showing the right-side of a weapon? --Wuzh (talk) 01:28, 2 November 2018 (EDT)

Basically in the settings you switch the look sensitivity to maximum, and you keep looking at the right during gameplay. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:05, 2 November 2018 (EDT)
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About the cut weapons

I think those should go here on the talk page or in their own section, as they aren't really available at all unless you have a cracked copy of the game AFAIK (you can't get to them on the Steam version at least, or even do things like adjust FoV on that version). Besides, their formatting is rather glaringly bad with ultra widescreen and the rather awkward "spoiler alerts" they originally came with.--AgentGumby (talk) 23:49, 4 November 2018 (EST)

I'm down. I recall some similar images having been removed from the MW3 page in the past due to the fact that they can't be obtained in a legal way, and I guess this also applies here. And ugh... that ugly 4:3 aspect ratio is something that should be forbidden! --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:40, 5 November 2018 (EST)
I agree with AgentGumby’s points. --Wuzh (talk) 13:32, 5 November 2018 (EST)

Comments on the state of the page

Because I don't have MW2 and thus can't really take any images, I just want to make a few suggestions as to what is still needed:

  • Proper images for the M67 hand grenade and the M18 smoke grenade in first person.
  • Replacements for all 4:3 images in better aspect ratios (mainly the Mark 19 Mod 3 Automatic Grenade Launcher image and the Browning M2 Machine gun)
  • A better replacement image to illustrate the old MW1 Deagle model in MW2, replacing this tiny image:
A close-up of CPL Dunn's (voiced by Barry Pepper) Desert Eagle. This and the one on the floor of the panic room in "Exodus" are the Call of Duty 4 models.
  • Maybe I am asking too much with this one, but maybe we can get higher resolution Create-A-Class images to replace the somewhat dirty ones we have right now.

Also, I want to ask, is this RPD iron sight image the default in-game iron sights or somehow manually adjusted with in-game movements to resolve the misalignment? --Wuzh (talk) 18:35, 8 November 2018 (EST)

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It was adjusted by looking downwards, I just checked in-game. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:52, 24 November 2018 (EST)

Based on the COD wiki image, I think that this image has been given the "shake it hard" treatment to make the sights appear aligned. Can we get a picture of the default non-aligned iron sights? --Wuzh (talk) 23:58, 2 December 2018 (EST)

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Apologies, I'll get some original images and try to post them soon.--AgentGumby (talk) 20:10, 5 December 2018 (EST)

A question for Wuzh

Hi Wuzh,

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be offensive or butthurt or something. I just want to ask you a question and expect your honest answer. Here is my question:

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--Nanomat (talk) 20:13, 7 February 2019 (EST)

Hmm... actually I think you can say that the shape is influenced by the M249 box. The rest of the details (in particular the textures) seem completely different. --Wuzh (talk) 20:48, 7 February 2019 (EST)
Well, the box is basically the same and it is clear that they recycled it from the previous game to cut down efforts of making a new belt/magazine. Even if they changed some textures or minor details that doesn't change the fact that it is based/inspired/whatever on the M249 box. That is important information, imagine if some dude wants to reenact MW2 yeah I know it is wonky thing but he comes here and finds that we call that gun's magazine "fictional" so he becomes depressed because he can't reenact say the No Russian mission while in reality the magazine exists and we could just have stated it. --Nanomat (talk) 20:56, 7 February 2019 (EST)
Uh, OK. I added a mention of the shape of the box being the same as the M249 box in the section. --Wuzh (talk) 21:05, 7 February 2019 (EST)
My line of thinking is that I'm still not satisfied with the description being "a fictional box which has the shape of M249". Dude I can't understand the "fictional" part. You said it youself, it has the shape of M249 box then logically it is an M249 box. What is the point in calling something real "fictional"? Would you define for example the Model 733 with backwards sights from GTA vice city as "fictional rifle which has the general shape of Model 733"? What's the point of all of this and please tell me what details in the "M249 shaped box" are different enough for you to define it as fictional? --Nanomat (talk) 21:21, 7 February 2019 (EST)
Ah, I see, so your problem is ultra realism. If you think that game developers make their guns thinking whether a given magazine fits their caliber you are wrong. For example many guns in COD WW2 had extended mags from other guns like M3 grease gun with luger drum magazine which I'm doubtful it will work in real life. Does this make the luger drum fictional? No. It only makes its use with another weapon it's not intended for fictional or erroneous so if you want to define something as fictional that is the inappropriate usage of the magazine and not the magazine itself. Also there is no need to delete you statements, we are here to debate. --Nanomat (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2019 (EST)

OK then. I guess you're right. Go have it your way. --Wuzh (talk) 21:42, 7 February 2019 (EST)

By the way, can we use that original image of the Vorkuta M249 on the Black Ops page?--AgentGumby (talk) 22:56, 7 February 2019 (EST)

The image is from the COD wiki so I suppose we can't.--Nanomat (talk) 18:27, 8 February 2019 (EST)

Explaining Russian "incorrect" weapons

Like the post before said, this is old, and maybe it's been discussed a lot, but I wanted to ask whether it would be worth pointing out what accurate weapons the Russians would use despite the game's fiction (especially branches such as VDV Paratroopers, who would never carry Armsel Strikers, FN FALs or TAR-21s, no matter what the geopolitics of the game dictate). I'd like to add small notes on certain weapons, if anything, for the sake of clarity (just like the article correctly points out the blatant inaccuracies of Russians using AK-47s and RPDs, no matter how modernized they are, in the 2010s). Not counting the weapons used by Makarov and his terrorist thugs, the weapons used by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the MW series are something I find really hard to ignore, particularly the usage of USPs, P90s, Steyr AUGs, AA-12s, FAMAS and MG4s used in MW2. At least Russian soldiers in MW3 mostly used proper Russian weapons throughout the game. Russia has always had a very different philosophy from the West when it comes to firearms and what should be used by the Armed Forces, and I personally find it important to point out in this article. Anyone else agree with clarifying the usage of certain weapons and providing likely real-life alternatives for the sake of accuracy?--Ssantusky (talk) 05:41, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

Yes, mentioning inaccurate/anachronistic weapon depictions has precedent on this site. Also, after every post you make just add -- followed by 4 tildes, it'll make it easier to keep track of who's who in a discussion.--Aidoru (talk) 01:23, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
Alright, I see some if not most of my edits on why Russians use incorrect guns have been edited out (some remain, which I'm glad about). There was even a very good explanation by a user who wrote about why the FN FAL would never be issued to Russians as it was known as "the right arm of the free world," a very good point in my opinion on why the official Russian Army would never use it, much less Ultranationalist paratroopers, not just in real life but also in the context of this game. I know perhaps I've been overdoing it in terms of explaining what the Russians use as standard-issue in real life, but what's the point of stating that AK-47s and RPDs are anachronistic and inaccurate for Russians and that they should be using AK74Ms or PKMs, and then completely ignore that Russians use weapons they would never, ever use as standard-issue like FN FALs, Steyr AUGs and FAMAS F1s? I'm not complaining or anything, it's OK by me if everyone wants the article to remain this way, but I just really don't understand the criteria on this site sometimes. I think it's proper to point out these inaccuracies when it comes to what armies are issued, in the same way we point out why certain guns are depicted incorrectly. Other articles, like the Battlefield 2 one, point out for example that the Chinese People's Liberation Army wouldn't be issued AK-47s in the 2000s, a very valid point, since they use QBZ-95s, and readers should know. It's all for the sake of accuracy, not nitpicking. Another user said "nobody cares" regarding these edits, well, I beg to differ, because I sure care, and any Russian weapons enthusiast or connoisseur would as well. Either we agree on the fact of explaining each weapon, its depiction and its usage and if they're accurate, or we don't, but we need cohrence for this article. We can't say that Russians wouldn't be issued the USP45 and then not even mention the FN FALs as if it has always been normal for Russians to use them. I know it's a game and it's fiction, and I don't care how the Russians got those weapons in the game's fiction, but they're just incorrect and strange choices for this particular army, and that's why in my opinion they should be pointed out. For future edits, I'd like to know what's the official stance regarding this topic around here, because otherwise I'm not going to bother anymore pointing out things that will be edited out. I'm still relatively new to how things work around here, that's why I'm saying this, so senior members call me out on this if I'm wrong, but I think what I'm saying is reasonable.--Ssantusky (talk) 10:19, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
The official stance is that there is no official stance; we have official admin stances on categorization and page structure and stuff, but commentary writing is more or less completely unrestricted. In terms what writers usually do though, while discussion of inaccurate and anachronistic weapons have precedent on this site, they are not standard expectations for a page (unlike discussions of mechanical inaccuracies), and different writers treat the subject differently. Some writers may want to point out every little detail, and other writers may prefer to minimize them because they really don't think it matters that much within the framework of the fictional setting, and in terms of the contents of the page. (We don't point out Captain Price's fictionality as an inaccuracy of the games' portrayal of the SAS, because that's just a useless comment that takes "accuracy to real life" way too far.)
In my honest opinion, I think that some writers might've objected to your writing because of the sheer volume of words in them; your paragraphs are often so long that they end up eclipsing the base paragraphs, and are stuffed with excessive fluff. You don't need to mention that the FAL is nicknamed "Right arm of the free world" when all you need to say is "The Russians never used the FAL in real life." I don't object to talking about usage inaccuracies, but I would prefer if you write them more elegantly. --Wuzh (talk) 01:35, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for the answer. That FAL "right arm of the free world" line wasn't mine by the way, I liked it, but it wasn't mine. While I'll try to be more concise with my writing (you're right to say I'm prone to excessive amounts of information, but I don't know about "elegance," I find that very subjective), I only mind pointing out which weapons Russians should be using in real life and compare them to what they use in-game, and some of it was deleted altogether, including the mention of innacuracy. I don't mind the degree of detail in pointing out the inaccuracy as long as it is noted; a little note would suffice, for example, in the FAL, TAR-21, FAMAS and Steyr AUG sections (just like the USP45 still retains the mention of innacuracy and the line about Russian weapons military doctrine I wrote). I've seen in other sites this complaint of innacuracy regarding the weapons Russians bafflingly use as standard-issue in the game, so I wanted to include them here for any fans of the game who might be wondering about this too, that's all.--Ssantusky (talk) 06:23, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
The info and analysis you wrote was just too long and specialized to be mentioned on the main page. However, you can always write it down on you user pager. Make something like "MW2 weapon analysis" section and compile all the info in subsections and you are good to go. That way you can even have similar historical weapon analysis for other games as well, without cluttering their respective main pages.--Nanomat (talk) 18:00, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
Alright, that seems like a satisfying solution to this, I hadn't thought of that, might give it a go. Thank you very much for your answer.--Ssantusky (talk) 18:57, 22 September 2019 (EDT)

Hummvee legal dispute trivia

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Accurately modeled HMMWVs in the Call of Duty 4 remaster.
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A "Humvee" in MW2R.

The pseudo Humvee in MW2R appears to be a hybrid between Terradyne Gurkha and the "Chinese Humvee" Dongfeng EQ2050. Lol, it looks like in the MW universe America had to outsource even the humvees to China. --Nanomat (talk) 19:01, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

About Anaconda in the remaster

While looking at the extracted model, I noticed that it got a decidedly non-Colt cylinder release latch. Is it based on anything real? Lunar Watcher (talk) 02:11, 30 May 2022 (EDT)

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The model in question
It looks like the cylinder latch of the Smith & Wesson Model 60 or subsequent modern models, it seems to be another hybrid revolver as with the MW2019 .357. Good catch.--AgentGumby (talk) 10:38, 30 May 2022 (EDT)
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