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==Other Variants== | ==Other Variants== | ||
[[File:FN P90 with suppressor.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FN P90 with suppressor - 5.7x28mm]] | |||
[[Image:Fn p90 3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FN P90 Tactical LV with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, Surefire Universal weaponlight, and suppressor. The LV model is fitted with an integral laser as noted by the plate on the front of the grip, and the laser warning sticker - 5.7x28mm]] | |||
[[File:Effen90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FN PS90, customized with a short SBR barrel and an aftermarket EFFEN 90 upper receiver with a distinct flat top Picatinny rail - 5.7x28mm]] | |||
===Airsoft Variants=== | ===Airsoft Variants=== | ||
[[File:P90pred.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''Airsoft''' FN P90 "Predator" - (fake) 5.7x28mm. Note the STANAG magazine adaptor, something only possible on an Airsoft gun.]] | [[File:P90pred.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''Airsoft''' FN P90 "Predator" - (fake) 5.7x28mm. Note the STANAG magazine adaptor, something only possible on an Airsoft gun.]] | ||
[[File:P90 Ver LLENN.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokyo Marui P-90 Ver.LLENN]] | [[File:P90 Ver LLENN.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokyo Marui P-90 Ver.LLENN]] | ||
===Screen-Used Variants=== | |||
[[File:HGFNP90.jpg|thumb|400px|none|FN P90 used in ''[[The Hunger Games: Catching Fire]]'']] | |||
=Discussion= | =Discussion= | ||
Latest revision as of 18:34, 23 June 2023
Additional Images
Other Variants
Airsoft Variants
Screen-Used Variants
Discussion
P90 TR and PS90
Do FN actually offer a TR version? As I understood it, the TR version is a figment of airsoft gunmaker Toyko Marui's imagination which was created to allow them to resume production after the mould for their standard P90 sight block broke. I have seen real P90s with triple rail sight blocks in photos, but described as aftermarket parts. Airsoft P90s are so close to the real thing, and P90s are so rarely seen actually firing on film, that I feel it is likely that all or nearly all P90TRs on film are actually airsoft guns.
With the PS90, I thought that was semi-auto only in factory form, sold as the civilian-legal version of the P90, hence the long barrel, much as an HK94 is to an MP5. I'm not certain about either of these things, so I thought it best to ask the pros before changing the page.
The PS90 is according to FN a Semi-Automatic only weapon. As for the P90TR that is offered by FNUSA as a Standard Production Model.Rockwolf66 16:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- The PS90 is really friggin' front heavy-S&Wshooter 05:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- Wasn't when I held it.--FIVETWOSEVEN 00:33, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Magazines
FN only offers 30 round magazines for the civilian version of this gun but I have heard that the 50 round magazines are fairly easy to find after market. Can anyone confirm or deny this? -Anonymous
- I found a few on impactguns and gunbroker, you can also buy directly from their site fnhusa, and I'm pretty sure you can find some from google.--ThePotShot 04:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- Still don't understand why they ship with 30 round mags instead of 50. All that happens is the new owner of this gun gets it with the 30 rounder, then buys 50s after that.--FIVETWOSEVEN 00:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Thats the point, if they just gave you a 50rd mag then thats one less thing your gonna buy from em. They can nickel and dime ya to death hah.-Ranger01 10:38, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
- But then theres the aftermarket magazines plus the tooling needed to make those magazines. Its really pointless.--FIVETWOSEVEN 20:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
TR
TR stands for Triple Rail not Tactical Rail as it is on the page. I just checked FNH USA's website it is there. --bozitojugg3rn4ut 17:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Question
How powerful is the 5.7x28mm round anyway? Can it penetrate through your standard bulletproof vest? Or can it also penetrate the more heavier bulletproof vests? --ThatoneguyJosh 17:55, 17 March 2011 (CDT)
- The P90 can penetrate through light bulletproof vests (mostly Level II) like those wrapped in Kevlar with ease, but it cannot actually penetrate through the more heavier bulletproof vests. The 5.7x28mm rounds are similar to the 4.6x30mm rounds fired by the MP7. In fact, both the MP7 and the P90 are technically and generally similar in terms of accuracy, compactness, stopping power, and weight (though the P90 is more bulkier than the MP7). The 5.7x28mm rounds are overall powerful, light, and a similar size to the 9mm rounds fired by most submachine guns. - Kenny99 22:09, 16 September 2011 (CDT)
- It can actually penetrate a IIIA vest, or the CRISAT target (1.6mm titanium plate with 20 layers of Kevlar) at 200m. Basically, it will penetrate any soft armour and most helmets at this range, but will be stopped by the hard plates used in most military vests. The MP7 has similar penetration. Of course, this only applies to military ammunition, not the civilian stuff. --commando552 03:33, 17 September 2011 (CDT)
Taxi Listing
The movie page Taxi doesn't have a P90 entry, so either it's missing it or the entry for it here needs to be removed. StanTheMan 12:41, 28 June 2011 (CDT)
P90 Tactical
Firstly, what is the deal with the Tactical model? It is the railed top model listed on the FN Herstal website, but the FNH USA page only lists the TR version. Is the Tactical a Europe only version, or is it just that the US website is "behind the times"?
Secondly, does it deserve its own section? The only show I've found that has used it is Nikita (only checked the TR section though so could be more), is that enough? --commando552 17:54, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
- It seems to be a regular P90 with the reflex scope replaced with a rail. - Mr. Wolf 20:40, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
- That is what it is, but it isn't an aftermarket modification, FN sells it like that as the P90 Tactical as opposed to the regular P90 Standard. They don't appear to offer the P90 TR anymore, this is the only "flat top" model. --commando552 03:36, 17 August 2011 (CDT)
- Not that it necessarily pertains to this conversation, but the P90 in the P90 TR section with the aimpoint and sound suppressor looks like it could be a Tactical instead of a TR, as the scope is sitting higher and the flashlight seems further back than it should be on the TR. Dover500 06:22, 17 September 2011 (CDT)
- Yeah that one is a tactical too, easier way to tell is the fact that the top rail is longer than the upper receiver. Also, you can see that it still has the back up iron sights on the side. Thinking about it, the tactical version has the standard back up iron sights on either side of the upper receiver, but it also has another set of back up iron sights inside the flat top rail (not sure if they are flip up or recessed inside) which means it has three separate sets of iron sights. --commando552 09:21, 17 September 2011 (CDT)
- Not that it necessarily pertains to this conversation, but the P90 in the P90 TR section with the aimpoint and sound suppressor looks like it could be a Tactical instead of a TR, as the scope is sitting higher and the flashlight seems further back than it should be on the TR. Dover500 06:22, 17 September 2011 (CDT)
- That is what it is, but it isn't an aftermarket modification, FN sells it like that as the P90 Tactical as opposed to the regular P90 Standard. They don't appear to offer the P90 TR anymore, this is the only "flat top" model. --commando552 03:36, 17 August 2011 (CDT)
What about P90's reliability?
So,what is the P90? I mean, it looks like a perfect weapon to me. It's small, it's light, fitted with 50 nice 5.7x28mm rounds. And what about gun's reliability and stuff? I really love the gun,and.. is it really THAT perfect? Littlesoldier1 18:21, 29 February 2012 (CST)
- It is a well engineered and built PDW-gun, and has a couple of opportunities compared to other guns, such as the (not-civillian) 50 rounds in the magazine, the overall smooth form, with nothing really sticking out, the fact that it packs a compact size while not loosing accuracy (thanks to the bullpup-layout), and the shells being ejected downwards, making it a perfect gun for left & right handed shooting or shooting in narrow spaces. The downsides are the almost unique calibre, the fact that many people dislike polymer-guns. And guns that look/function unusual always have a hard stand, just look at how the M16 was treated when it was introduced to soldiers.--Maxmali (talk) 07:01, 1 August 2014 (EDT)
Possible New Entries for Tactical & USG Variants
Excuse me, apparently there'd be the first depiction of P90 Tactical & USG in popular media (At least in video games). When I was checking the catalog of P90 on the official FN website, apparently both Tactical & USG variants are classified as separate variants. Comparing to TR & original variants, both USG & Tactical have removable USG reflex sight & upper rail respectively (The latter can be removed for mounting the former). I also discussed with Pyr0m4n14c on Sandstorm talk page & he told me that the USG variant would be a separate entry under P90 page due to its unique USG reflex sight (Just like MP5s having their own designations based on the configuration like buttstock, existence of integral suppressor, etc). However, I need some confirmation / clarification if both USG & Tactical variants would be under new entries in order to distinguish between TR & original variants (The screenshots below are placeholders which would be replaced later on, especially for both variants of USG reflex sight which seem to have obstructive out-of-frame cut above the reticle due to modeling error). Also, how do I suppose to create proper hyperlinks for them (In order to be used as redirects in future medias depicting them) in case that they're treated as separate variants? AgentHotel (talk) 03:32, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
- Wait a minute, that's what that was about? I must've misunderstood, then - I thought you were asking if they should be separate entries on the game's page. I mean, I guess they could be separate entries here too, but I'd probably wait for some other peoples' input before going ahead with it. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:48, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
- Well, TBH I'm asking if both of them should be classified as separate variants on P90 page first before being separated on Sandstorm page (Also to make sure that I can create new entries in the future if NWI somehow adds relatively "Obscure" firearms along with variants of existing ones which haven't been seen in popular medias yet until they're added by NWI). Regarding your last statement, I think that's it's a good idea for waiting for others' inputs first regarding Tactical & USG variants due Sandstorm seems to be the first popular media to depict both variants (At least for video games). AgentHotel (talk) 01:47, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
- I would not personally think that they should get separate entries, as they are the same actual gun. The "USG" is just a P90 with a specific sight. There are I think 5 or 6 different sight options for the P90 using the standard upper, and it would be weird to separate them based solely on this. To me the USG being a separate "model" is just a bit or marketing spin by FN USA. As for the tactical, it has the same issue that is is just a regular P90 with a different "sight", except in this instance the sight is a rail. It uses a standard upper, so to switch back and forth between the two you just take of the rail and fit one of the various Ring Sights optics. The reason the TR has a different section is that it actually has a different receiver so cannot be switched back and forth to a different model so it is definite what it is. I would be more on board with making a section of the tactical as it is pretty clear when you are looking at one and right now it ends up getting conflated with the TR because people don't necessarily understand the difference, but it seems a bit arbitrary to make a different category for a P90 that is fitted with a different red dot sight to another P90 with a red dot sight. Also, I've just got to say the the Tactical as set up in the game below may set a record for most redundant iron sights as it would have FOUR different sets. The standard P90 upper has a set of emergency open irons on each side, the tactical rail has its own aperture sight in the tunnel part, and then this gun has detachable irons on the rail. --commando552 (talk) 16:50, 11 November 2021 (EST)
- I guess that I'd input them as P90 Tactical / USG as in one entry while adding brief description of both of them as per your suggestions. Regarding "Redundancy" on iron sights of it, I think that's because the tunnel sight which can be found here would be obstructive in-game due to not having simulated blur when ADS just like IRL & the community already loathe particularly "Obstructive" iron sights such as AR-15 carry handle. Still, I appreciate your inputs regarding both variants in order to clear out some confusion on both Tactical & USG. AgentHotel (talk) 22:12, 11 November 2021 (EST)
- I would not personally think that they should get separate entries, as they are the same actual gun. The "USG" is just a P90 with a specific sight. There are I think 5 or 6 different sight options for the P90 using the standard upper, and it would be weird to separate them based solely on this. To me the USG being a separate "model" is just a bit or marketing spin by FN USA. As for the tactical, it has the same issue that is is just a regular P90 with a different "sight", except in this instance the sight is a rail. It uses a standard upper, so to switch back and forth between the two you just take of the rail and fit one of the various Ring Sights optics. The reason the TR has a different section is that it actually has a different receiver so cannot be switched back and forth to a different model so it is definite what it is. I would be more on board with making a section of the tactical as it is pretty clear when you are looking at one and right now it ends up getting conflated with the TR because people don't necessarily understand the difference, but it seems a bit arbitrary to make a different category for a P90 that is fitted with a different red dot sight to another P90 with a red dot sight. Also, I've just got to say the the Tactical as set up in the game below may set a record for most redundant iron sights as it would have FOUR different sets. The standard P90 upper has a set of emergency open irons on each side, the tactical rail has its own aperture sight in the tunnel part, and then this gun has detachable irons on the rail. --commando552 (talk) 16:50, 11 November 2021 (EST)
- Well, TBH I'm asking if both of them should be classified as separate variants on P90 page first before being separated on Sandstorm page (Also to make sure that I can create new entries in the future if NWI somehow adds relatively "Obscure" firearms along with variants of existing ones which haven't been seen in popular medias yet until they're added by NWI). Regarding your last statement, I think that's it's a good idea for waiting for others' inputs first regarding Tactical & USG variants due Sandstorm seems to be the first popular media to depict both variants (At least for video games). AgentHotel (talk) 01:47, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
