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That poster in the police office is insulting and stupid, as it says "All CIVILIAN assault weapons should be banned", and then shows four civilian guns that are considered "assault weapons". - Gunmaster45

Yes, take those out. Excalibur01 03:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Type 56-1

Note: Not an AK-47 as originally thought, not with the folding stock, and considering the fact that the sight was most likely hooded, it must be a Type 56-1.

I don't think it's a Type 56. The Type 56-2 (which is the version with the side-folding stock) has a different stock design than that. The Type 56 also retains the smooth receiver cover of the older AK-47 models (as opposed to the strengthened ribbed design of the AKM), but that rifle looks like it might have a ribbed one. East German MPiKMs do have stocks that look like that and ribbed receiver covers, so I'm guessing it might be one of those. I would need to see the front sight, as well as the receiver, in better detail to figure out whether it's a Type 56.

It's either an East German or Romanian side folding stock. It has to be an AKM, not a Type 56, because the side folding stocks don't fit on the Chinese receivers. MoviePropMaster2008

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Norinco Type 56-1

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Norinco Type 56-2 (side-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm

AKM

This one is a Type 56 with the "pig sticker" removed (though the front sight still has the mount for it). -MT2008

Are you sure? I thought it was an AKM because of the slanted muzzle. --AdAstra2009 02:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Plenty of Chinese Type 56s have slant muzzle breaks. Look at the picture on my user page and you can see that my own Chinese AK has one. If it has the wider .75" front sight, it's a Type 56. Also, the mounting for the pig sticker beneath the front sight is unique to the Type 56. -MT2008

AWB Poster

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Uzi Carbine, Uzi Pistol, Heckler & Koch HK94, and an Heckler & Koch SP89 are all on the poster.

^BOO! - Gunmaster45

Haha lol agreed! Even though they are cops and have to deal with getting shot at every day. But still: 16 inch barrels and 15 round magazines? Come on. -Gunman69 06:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Reminds me of a poster I saw in 16 Blocks showing an infant handling an M1911A1 and spouting some anti-gun statistics about the rate of children getting killed from playing with guns. I decided to exclude it from the article due to the controversy the AWB poster in this film has created. Orca1 9904 14:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you can see that poster right next to the AWB poster in that screenshot. Orca1 9904 14:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I wish someone would say to them "I don't know if you know this, but there is this really cool thing called the Second Amendment!" -Gunman69 03:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

A little fun fact, despite the posters claim that "A Child a day is killed by a handgun" and other bullshit claims of the period that stated 10 children a day die from all forms a gun violence, FBI records state that less than 100 kids die from gun violence each year. A sad number yet still far below that claimed by the anti-gun groups. Apparently the gun control movement is fond of large numbers of dead children so long as it serves their goal. By the way, thank you to whoever pulled this off of the main article. -Anonymous

Those AWB posters appear in all of Richard Donner's films. I guess since he makes films with lots of gun violence, those posters will make it all better. - Predator20 23:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The other thing you'll see in Donner's films are posters about how evil wearing fur is. He used to have posters attacking South Africa and apartheid until the goverment got rid of that policy and freed Mandella. Then those posters went away. Donner is an idiot. Or perhaps the posters are more the idea of his wife Laura. --Jcordell 03:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, in Lethal Weapon 1, the Murtaugh's have an "end Apartheid" magnet on their refrigerator 65.29.239.251 08:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

In the film Assassins an anti-NRA poster is seen several times on the side of a bus and a woman wearing a fur coat has a red circle with a line through it painted on the back. Donner is really not very subtle. -Anonymous

No Donner isn't very subtle. On the LW4 dvd commentary, he says he puts those in his films to "put the message out". He also said he couldn't understand why he would get complaints from real police officers about the ban NRA posters. --Predator20 15:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

How the hell could someone make a Lethal Weapon movie while being anti-gun? The movie contradicts the AWB message. That's just silly. In a bad way.--Oliveira 15:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, a director who sticks anti-gun posters in a movie full of shootouts and weaponry? What next, anti-car posters on an episode of Top Gear? M14fanboy

Or maybe a Michael Bay film without explosions? - Kilgore 21:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

In the commentary he said that he hated the NRA because they became political. His displeasure was due to the NRA opposing the outlawing of armor piercing ammo. However, my understanding was that the NRA opposed a poorly written law and helped write the one in place, and Donner is just an idiot who doesn't check stuff before making accusations.--Gtcsmc 04:50, 21 December 2011 (CST)

Here's a link to the NRA's explanation. [1]

I remember watching something with Danny Glover stating that the "end Apartheid" sticker on his fridge in LL1 was his idea, not a bad idea considering how broad the audience is 174.54.108.189 23:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm just thankful that era of complete stupidity and ignorance is all done away with, well in spite of recent events but those jack-booted gun grabbers can make crap up all they want. Gun control is a fascist/dictatorial policy and deserves no attention.-The Gunslinger 3 (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2015 (EDT)

Beretta 92FS

I figured Martin Riggs got another Beretta 92FS for the final battle, because he doesn't use the Laser Sight after his gun was dis-assembled.

But, I suppose it's possible to simply put the gun back together again, Although, I doubt the gun was recovered after the House burnt down.

AKMS

[moved from main]--AdAstra2009 02:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

This is definitely either an East German MPi-KMS, or another AKM variant fitted with the East German-style folding stock. -MT2008

Is shooting the AKMS underwater impossible? -Sdawg44

Well since they actually did it in the movie, I'm assuming it is. After soaking under water so long, the powder in the bullets would be too damp to fire, so they must have submerged immediately before firing the gun. - Gunmaster45

Ammunition is fairly waterproof so the powder would be safe for a while. Any gun will fire once underwater but its unclear if it would fire full auto as is depicted in this movie. -sigger9mm

There is few videos of guns firing semi and full auto underwater. Although there is no AKMS among them, i found a hk416, glock, and Sphinx pistol shooting and reloading just fine. And there is a two guns constructed especially to shooting underwater based on AK, so i thin it is very possible with Ak reliability. Ripp

Laser Grips

So I was just looking through a catalog of CTC laser grips, and I noticed that the laser activation button is attached to the CTC grips, specifically on the front of the butt, meaning that it seems like the only way the laser could activate is if the gun was fitted with the CTC grips, not just the activation button. So how could Riggs be using these laser grips when it is clear that his Beretta has the standard Beretta grips on them? I mean, when you look at the shot of his Beretta on the ground in Murtaugh's house, you can see the laser is attached to the grips, but you also see that it has the standard Beretta grips in the shot where Jet Li takes his gun apart. Does anyone know how this could've worked? -Gunman69 00:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Could it have been a Lasermax laser sight? The laser comes out of the same spot as it did in the movie but the activation switch is on the takedown lever therefore allowing Riggs to keep the normal grips.--129.89.187.78 21:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC) (thePotShot)

Definitely Lasermax laser device. The sight is definitely fixed under the barrel replacing the recoil guide rod. Not CTC laser grips. The light on CTC grips originate from the grips. Unless my catalog is completely wrong?

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In the image above it looks the the laser is on the grips. Note the bulge on the top of the grip. But I thought CTC grips wrapped complety around the front of the frame? So maybe it's some different maker or early model. --Predator20 19:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Riggs' Beretta

In the picture of the Riggs' Beretta 92FS is written that it's the same gun used in Die Hard 2 and Die Hard with a Vengeance, but this can't be true, because the Beretta Bruce Willis used in Die Hard was lefthanded, this one is a common righthanded. Here's the original Beretta used by Willis; http://www.originalprop.com/blog/movie-guns/die-hard/. Funzi159--Funzi159 14:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The mag release can be swapped back to right handed and there is more than one gun used. (www.originalprop.com states that the one shown is one of four used) Here is a discussion about the DH and LW Berettas. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Beretta_92_pistol_series#Die_Hard_and_Lethal_Weapon --Predator20 17:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Interesting, I didn't read about that. --Funzi159 19:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm skeptical that the Beretta 92FS used in this film is the same one used in the previous two Lethal Weapon films (and also Die Hard 2 and Die Hard with a Vengeance) for a completely different reason: The close-up picture of the gun that we have on the page show that it is a U.S.-made Beretta (marked "Beretta USA"). The Beretta from Lethal Weapon 2 and Lethal Weapon 3, in comparison, is an Italian-made gun (marked "Pietro Beretta"), as is evident from the picture of the gun that MPM2008 took when he visited the museum case where the gun now sits. The common denominator in all of those other films is that the guns were provided by the same armory - Cinema Weaponry (Mike Papac's company). Cinema Weaponry did not provide the guns for Lethal Weapon 4; I believe that the production sourced the guns from either Gibbons Ltd. or Hand Prop Room. So a completely different group of Berettas were likely used in this film relative to previous entries. -MT2008 (talk) 01:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Firing under water?

Can an AK be fire under water like in the movie? Excalibur01

I just asked this very question on the Mythbusters forum. Guess we'll find out one way or another. Orca1 9904 07:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm no expert but I think it's like this. Firing is the easy part, cycling though, that might be a problem, but the largest problem is the density of water. Seeing as how water is (I think) 1000 times more dense than air, the bullet would only be lethal for a short distance, shorter than 5 feet(or was it yards?).--Mr-Jigsaw 07:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

No problems in that scene then as the muzzle is jammed right in Jet Li's gut. I'd like to see the Mythbusters tackle some of the stories on the reliability of the AK, specifically one I heard about a Green Beret being able to chamber and fire a round without cleaning an AK that had been under a decomposing VC body in Vietnam. --cool-breeze 06:16, 7 April 2011 (CDT)

Unknown Handgun

What was the Handgun that Lorna Cole (Rene Russo) fired during the Train scene? Help? Repoman

Looks like a Beretta. --Ben41 (talk) 20:26, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

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Thanks Ben41. I really got the clue now. Repoman

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 ::::Reminds me of a poster I saw in ''[[16 Blocks]]'' showing an infant handling an M1911A1 and spouting some anti-gun statistics about the rate of children getting killed from playing with guns. I decided to exclude it from the article due to the controversy the AWB poster in this film has created. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 :::::Actually, you can see that poster right next to the AWB poster in that screenshot. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
+::::::I wish someone would say to them "I don't know if you know this, but there is this really cool thing called the Second Amendment!" -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
+:::::::A little fun fact, despite the posters claim that "A Child a day is killed by a handgun" and other bullshit claims of the period that stated 10 children a day die from all forms a gun violence, FBI records state that less than 100 kids die from gun violence each year. A sad number yet still far below that claimed by the anti-gun groups. Apparently the gun control movement is fond of large numbers of dead children so long as it serves their goal. By the way, thank you to whoever pulled this off of the main article. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
+::::::::Those AWB posters appear in all of Richard Donner's films. I guess since he makes films with lots of gun violence, those posters will make it all better. - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
+:::::::::The other thing you'll see in Donner's films are posters about how evil wearing fur is. He used to have posters attacking South Africa and apartheid until the goverment got rid of that policy and freed Mandella. Then those posters went away. Donner is an idiot. Or perhaps the posters are more the idea of his wife Laura. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
+::::::::::If I'm not mistaken, in Lethal Weapon 1, the Murtaugh's have an "end Apartheid" magnet on their refrigerator [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 08:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
+:::::::::::In the film ''[[Assassins]]'' an anti-NRA poster is seen several times on the side of a bus and a woman wearing a fur coat has a red circle with a line through it painted on the back. Donner is really not very subtle. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
+:No Donner isn't very subtle. On the LW4 dvd commentary, he says he puts those in his films to "put the message out". He also said he couldn't understand why he would get complaints from real police officers about the ban NRA posters. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
+::How the hell could someone make a Lethal Weapon movie while being anti-gun? The movie contradicts the AWB message. That's just silly. In a bad way.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
+:::Wow, a director who sticks anti-gun posters in a movie full of shootouts and weaponry? What next, anti-car posters on an episode of Top Gear? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
+::::Or maybe a Michael Bay film without explosions? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
+:::In the commentary he said that he hated the NRA because they became political. His displeasure was due to the NRA opposing the outlawing of armor piercing ammo. However, my understanding was that the NRA opposed a poorly written law and helped write the one in place, and Donner is just an idiot who doesn't check stuff before making accusations.--[[User:Gtcsmc|Gtcsmc]] 04:50, 21 December 2011 (CST)
+::::Here's a link to the NRA's explanation. [http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=25&issue=005]
+I remember watching something with Danny Glover stating that the "end Apartheid" sticker on his fridge in LL1 was his idea, not a bad idea considering how broad the audience is [[Special:Contributions/174.54.108.189|174.54.108.189]] 23:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
+*I'm just thankful that era of complete stupidity and ignorance is all done away with, well in spite of recent events but those jack-booted gun grabbers can make crap up all they want. Gun control is a fascist/dictatorial policy and deserves no attention.-[[User:The Gunslinger 3|The Gunslinger 3]] ([[User talk:The Gunslinger 3|talk]]) 21:44, 20 March 2015 (EDT)
+== Beretta 92FS ==
+I figured Martin Riggs got another Beretta 92FS for the final battle,
+because he doesn't use the Laser Sight after his gun was dis-assembled.
+But, I suppose it's possible to simply put the gun back together again,
+Although, I doubt the gun was recovered after the House burnt down.
+==AKMS==
+'''[moved from main]'''--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
+:This is definitely either an East German MPi-KMS, or another AKM variant fitted with the East German-style folding stock. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
+::Is shooting the AKMS underwater impossible? -Sdawg44
+:::Well since they actually did it in the movie, I'm assuming it is. After soaking under water so long, the powder in the bullets would be too damp to fire, so they must have submerged immediately before firing the gun. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
+:::Ammunition is fairly waterproof so the powder would be safe for a while. Any gun will fire once underwater but its unclear if it would fire full auto as is depicted in this movie. -[[User:sigger9mm|sigger9mm]]
+:::: There is few videos of guns firing semi and full auto underwater. Although there is no AKMS among them, i found a hk416, glock, and Sphinx pistol shooting and reloading just fine. And there is a two guns constructed especially to shooting underwater based on AK, so i thin it is very possible with Ak reliability. Ripp
+== Laser Grips ==
+So I was just looking through a catalog of CTC laser grips, and I noticed that the laser activation button is attached to the CTC grips, specifically on the front of the butt, meaning that it seems like the only way the laser could activate is if the gun was fitted with the CTC grips, not just the activation button. So how could Riggs be using these laser grips when it is clear that his Beretta has the standard Beretta grips on them? I mean, when you look at the shot of his Beretta on the ground in Murtaugh's house, you can see the laser is attached to the grips, but you also see that it has the standard Beretta grips in the shot where Jet Li takes his gun apart. Does anyone know how this could've worked? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
+:Could it have been a Lasermax laser sight? The laser comes out of the same spot as it did in the movie but the activation switch is on the takedown lever therefore allowing Riggs to keep the normal grips.--[[Special:Contributions/129.89.187.78|129.89.187.78]] 21:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC) (thePotShot)
+Definitely Lasermax laser device. The sight is definitely fixed under the barrel replacing the recoil guide rod. Not CTC laser grips. The light on CTC grips originate from the grips. Unless my catalog is completely wrong?
+[[Image:LW92floor.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+In the image above it looks the the laser is on the grips. Note the bulge on the top of the grip. But I thought CTC grips wrapped complety around the front of the frame? So maybe it's some different maker or early model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
+==Riggs' Beretta==
+In the picture of the Riggs' Beretta 92FS is written that it's the same gun used in [[Die Hard 2]] and [[Die Hard with a Vengeance]], but this can't be true, because the Beretta Bruce Willis used in Die Hard was lefthanded, this one is a common righthanded. Here's the original Beretta used by Willis; http://www.originalprop.com/blog/movie-guns/die-hard/. [[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]]--[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 14:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
+:The mag release can be swapped back to right handed and there is more than one gun used. (www.originalprop.com states that the one shown is one of four used) Here is a discussion about the DH and LW Berettas. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Beretta_92_pistol_series#Die_Hard_and_Lethal_Weapon --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
+Interesting, I didn't read about that. --[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 19:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
+::I'm skeptical that the Beretta 92FS used in this film is the same one used in the previous two ''Lethal Weapon'' films (and also ''[[Die Hard 2]]'' and ''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]'') for a completely different reason: The close-up picture of the gun that we have on the page show that it is a U.S.-made Beretta (marked "Beretta USA"). The Beretta from ''[[Lethal Weapon 2]]'' and ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]'', in comparison, is an Italian-made gun (marked "Pietro Beretta"), as is evident from the picture of the gun that MPM2008 took when he visited the museum case where the gun now sits. The common denominator in all of those other films is that the guns were provided by the same armory - Cinema Weaponry (Mike Papac's company). Cinema Weaponry did not provide the guns for ''[[Lethal Weapon 4]]''; I believe that the production sourced the guns from either Gibbons Ltd. or Hand Prop Room. So a completely different group of Berettas were likely used in this film relative to previous entries. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 01:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
+== Firing under water? ==
+Can an AK be fire under water like in the movie? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
+:I just asked this very question on the Mythbusters forum. Guess we'll find out one way or another. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
+::I'm no expert but I think it's like this. Firing is the easy part, cycling though, that might be a problem, but the largest problem is the density of water. Seeing as how water is (I think) 1000 times more dense than air, the bullet would only be lethal for a short distance, shorter than 5 feet(or was it yards?).--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
+No problems in that scene then as the muzzle is jammed right in Jet Li's gut. I'd like to see the Mythbusters tackle some of the stories on the reliability of the AK, specifically one I heard about a Green Beret being able to chamber and fire a round without cleaning an AK that had been under a decomposing VC body in Vietnam. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:16, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
+== Unknown Handgun ==
+What was the Handgun that Lorna Cole (Rene Russo) fired during the Train scene? Help?
+[[User:Repoman|Repoman]]
+: Looks like a Beretta. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:26, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
+[[File:LW4 1002.jpg|thumb|none|780px]]
+Thanks Ben41. I really got the clue now.  [[User:Repoman|Repoman]]

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