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:::::If I had to guess, I'd say it's an M500 (based on the M500 being the more common version, plus it having appeared in the previous game - if it isn't in yet, I'd be willing to bet it shows up in a future update), but unless you can spot a marking somewhere on the gun that distinguishes it, there's no real practical way to tell. The only real visual distinguishing feature between the 460 and the 500 is that the former has a large "X" marked on it, so I guess you could call the presence/absence of that evidence of it being a 460 or a 500 (respectively). [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 22:10, 2 July 2021 (EDT) | :::::If I had to guess, I'd say it's an M500 (based on the M500 being the more common version, plus it having appeared in the previous game - if it isn't in yet, I'd be willing to bet it shows up in a future update), but unless you can spot a marking somewhere on the gun that distinguishes it, there's no real practical way to tell. The only real visual distinguishing feature between the 460 and the 500 is that the former has a large "X" marked on it, so I guess you could call the presence/absence of that evidence of it being a 460 or a 500 (respectively). [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 22:10, 2 July 2021 (EDT) | ||
I'm inclined to say the RTX Cyclone is a [[Draco Pistol|Micro Draco]] pistol with a Saiga 12 mag added to it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:25, 4 July 2021 (EDT) | |||
:No, it's actually a Saiga 12 with a very short barrel (around 6 inches). It has a Saiga's receiver (note the rivet pattern), and the location of the magazine release also matches it. Plus, the front sight is different from the Draco, and looks like some of those seen on Saiga 12 SBS configurations. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 13:47, 4 July 2021 (EDT) | |||
==="D-BAR" and "D-Bartini"=== | ==="D-BAR" and "D-Bartini"=== | ||
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:Don't know if it's just the angle, but the barrel looks to be ''above'' the receiver, which combined with the other stuff (magazine, the AR to AK receiver transition, adjustable length of pull and cheek piece without anyway to adjust them) says "frankengun" (or at least, a really bad model) to me. --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 17:57, 3 July 2021 (EDT) | :Don't know if it's just the angle, but the barrel looks to be ''above'' the receiver, which combined with the other stuff (magazine, the AR to AK receiver transition, adjustable length of pull and cheek piece without anyway to adjust them) says "frankengun" (or at least, a really bad model) to me. --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 17:57, 3 July 2021 (EDT) | ||
::I've already labeled it on the page, it is "The Fix by Q" (Q, the new manufacturer of the Honey Badger) and not a frankengun like the CLEO weapons. Yes that is its formal name...--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:38, 3 July 2021 (EDT) | ::I've already labeled it on the page, it is "The Fix by Q" (Q, the new manufacturer of the Honey Badger) and not a frankengun like the CLEO weapons. Yes that is its formal name...--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:38, 3 July 2021 (EDT) | ||
:::Man, three of us managed to make the exact same mistake. Not sure if that's funny, or just sad. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 22:37, 3 July 2021 (EDT) | |||
==="Duvall Outrider"=== | ==="Duvall Outrider"=== | ||
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[[file:StateOfDecay2 Echo-S2 Rifle 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | [[file:StateOfDecay2 Echo-S2 Rifle 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | ||
:It's some sort of bolt-action .22 - maybe a [[Marlin Model 25]]? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 14:50, 3 July 2021 (EDT) | :It's some sort of bolt-action .22 - maybe a [[Marlin Model 25]]? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 14:50, 3 July 2021 (EDT) | ||
==="Otoe Howlitzer"=== | |||
[[file:StateOfDecay2 Otoe Howlitzer 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
==="Spyglass Rifle"=== | |||
[[file:StateOfDecay2 Spyglass Rifle 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
==Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4?== | |||
Are we considering the Echo S3 Shotgun as a Benelli M4? Its pump action only, which would make it closer to a Benelli M3. The M4 is semi-automatic only while the M3 is dual-mode between pump and semi-auto. The in game model has an M4 style collapsing stock sure, but that can be fitted on an M3 with some gunsmithing. Otherwise it seems to be closer to an M3; the confusing parts are that its integrally suppressed (something no Benelli has ever been capable of) and has a 6+1 capacity. M3s and M4s are shipped with 5 round tubes but can fit 7 round tubes. I'd say the entry on the wiki page should change to reflect its actually an M3 and the picture updated to reflect that too, but I want to hear other's thoughts as well. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 20:53, 2 February 2022 (EST) | |||
:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead. | |||
:: Fair point, the fact that it's pump action despite being depicted with a clear semi-automatic charging handle really bothers me. I guess that could be an animation or coding mistake and it should actually be semi-auto, but yeah on closer inspection the receiver is clearly that of an M4 as is the grip, sights and stock assembly. The pump, barrel and barrel shroud are clearly custom made though. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 22:23, 2 February 2022 (EST) | |||
:::Coming back to this, but what if we consider it a hybrid? The receiver is that of an M4 but its been modified/gunsmithed with a custom pump-action mechanism from another weapon, turning it from a semi-auto into a pump-action. I think changing the name to reflect that it's a "Benelli M4 Super 90/Pump-Action Hybrid" would be a good idea. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 19:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 19:00, 14 October 2022
About the "G45"
So, the reason why it's actually a Glock 19X is because it lacks front slide serrations, it has a lanyard clip behind the magazine, and a grip insert in front of it. If I'm not mistaken, the first version of the gun that became available in the game was the "G45 FDE" (which got later changed to "G45 Burst"), and the second one is the "G45" with a darker color currently shown in the article. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:03, 25 June 2021 (EDT)
CLEO Shotgun & SMG
The shotgun is a visually modified Kel-Tec KSG and the SMG is a visually modified Heckler & Koch MP5A2, just throwing it out there, OP of the page. I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 10:30, 26 June 2021 (EDT)
- Based on the receiver/bolt shape and the stock profile, I'm tempted to call the CLEO "Blast Rifle" a modified M40 variant (probably an M40A5). Also, not strictly relevant to the topic at hand, but some of the Ruger variants (e.g. the "Competition Mk3") are actually 22/45s, not regular Mark IIIs. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2021 (EDT)
- Oh, and I'm pretty sure that the CLEO Pistol is based on the game's PPQ model. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:34, 28 June 2021 (EDT)
P220 subsection
For the likes of the SIG-Sauer varients, are we sure that the P220-45's are P226 or should we put them under a picture and subsection of the P220, since they more than likely are and the P220 is the originator of the P226. --Bauer2121 (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2021 (EDT)
- That would make sense, better to group variants together under a subheading instead of having multiple images with the reference image.--AgentGumby (talk) 19:46, 28 June 2021 (EDT)
All these variants are one and the same weapon. Please check on fan wiki.
https://state-of-decay-2.fandom.com/wiki/M17
https://state-of-decay-2.fandom.com/wiki/P220-45
https://state-of-decay-2.fandom.com/wiki/P220-45_Elite
https://state-of-decay-2.fandom.com/wiki/P220-9
https://state-of-decay-2.fandom.com/wiki/P220-9_Elite
https://state-of-decay-2.fandom.com/wiki/P226
https://state-of-decay-2.fandom.com/wiki/P226_Elite
--Emto_PL (talk) 09:09, 30 June 2021 (EDT)
Please identify the weapon.
Echo-S1 Revolver
OSS Silent Night
CLEO Pistol
RTX Cyclone
Cold Turkey
Kodiak
Sea Dog Blunderbuss
- Alright, let's see what we've got here...
- The "Echo-S1" is some sort of S&W revolver with an integrated suppressor (which wouldn't really work all that well). Based on the frame proportions, I'm pretty sure it's an X-frame (i.e. a 460 or a 500); going off the patterns I've seen elsewhere in this game (plus the fact that there was one in the previous game), I'm willing to bet that there's a normal Model 500 in there too.
- The "OSS Silent Night" looks to be the existing Colt M1917 model with a similar (and similarly nonsensical) integrated suppressor thrown on it.
- The "CLEO Pistol" looks to be built off the game's Walther PPQ.
- The "RTX Cyclone" is just a customized, shortened Saiga 12K.
- The "Cold Turkey" seems to be another variant of the Mossberg 930 the game already had.
- The "Kodiak" is some sort of 870 derivative that takes Saiga mags; I'm willing to bet that it's fictional, seeing as it has a charging handle but no slot in the receiver to accommodate it. Speaking of which, the game's tactical 870 has one too.
- The "Sea Dog Blunderbuss" is definitely fictional; I'm guessing that they built it off the Mossberg 590 model, since the trigger guard looks just about identical, but beyond that you're fresh out of luck. Also, I'm not sure if the hexagonal barrel is deliberate, or just a consequence of an awkwardly low polycount.
- Anybody else have any thoughts worth sharing? I'm all ears, and no confidence in what I just said. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2021 (EDT)
- You're correct about all of the guns Pyr0, but I'm going to have to disagree on the account of the Cleo Pistol, the more I look at it in closer inspection, it looks like it's based on the Gen 5 Glock 34 with modifications similar to that of Roadblock's custom Glock 21 in G.I. Joe: Retaliation. I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 07:18, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
- Technically it should be Hawk, although it certainly cannot accept Saiga mags in reality. --Slon95 (talk) 15:39, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
- I was mostly basing the PPQ ID off of the grip profile, but the rest of it (especially the slide) does look more Glock-ish. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:57, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
- Echo-S1 Revolver - This is a unique model. There is no original equivalent in the game. What do you think model 460 or model 500?--Emto_PL (talk) 18:01, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
- If I had to guess, I'd say it's an M500 (based on the M500 being the more common version, plus it having appeared in the previous game - if it isn't in yet, I'd be willing to bet it shows up in a future update), but unless you can spot a marking somewhere on the gun that distinguishes it, there's no real practical way to tell. The only real visual distinguishing feature between the 460 and the 500 is that the former has a large "X" marked on it, so I guess you could call the presence/absence of that evidence of it being a 460 or a 500 (respectively). Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:10, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
- Echo-S1 Revolver - This is a unique model. There is no original equivalent in the game. What do you think model 460 or model 500?--Emto_PL (talk) 18:01, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
- I was mostly basing the PPQ ID off of the grip profile, but the rest of it (especially the slide) does look more Glock-ish. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:57, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
I'm inclined to say the RTX Cyclone is a Micro Draco pistol with a Saiga 12 mag added to it. Spartan198 (talk) 07:25, 4 July 2021 (EDT)
- No, it's actually a Saiga 12 with a very short barrel (around 6 inches). It has a Saiga's receiver (note the rivet pattern), and the location of the magazine release also matches it. Plus, the front sight is different from the Draco, and looks like some of those seen on Saiga 12 SBS configurations. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 13:47, 4 July 2021 (EDT)
"D-BAR" and "D-Bartini"
- Don't know if it's just the angle, but the barrel looks to be above the receiver, which combined with the other stuff (magazine, the AR to AK receiver transition, adjustable length of pull and cheek piece without anyway to adjust them) says "frankengun" (or at least, a really bad model) to me. --VladVladson (talk) 17:57, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
- I've already labeled it on the page, it is "The Fix by Q" (Q, the new manufacturer of the Honey Badger) and not a frankengun like the CLEO weapons. Yes that is its formal name...--AgentGumby (talk) 18:38, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
- Man, three of us managed to make the exact same mistake. Not sure if that's funny, or just sad. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:37, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
- I've already labeled it on the page, it is "The Fix by Q" (Q, the new manufacturer of the Honey Badger) and not a frankengun like the CLEO weapons. Yes that is its formal name...--AgentGumby (talk) 18:38, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
"Duvall Outrider"
- I think this one's a Henry Long Ranger. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:44, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
"Echo-S2 Rifle"
- It's some sort of bolt-action .22 - maybe a Marlin Model 25? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:50, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
"Otoe Howlitzer"
"Spyglass Rifle"
Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4?
Are we considering the Echo S3 Shotgun as a Benelli M4? Its pump action only, which would make it closer to a Benelli M3. The M4 is semi-automatic only while the M3 is dual-mode between pump and semi-auto. The in game model has an M4 style collapsing stock sure, but that can be fitted on an M3 with some gunsmithing. Otherwise it seems to be closer to an M3; the confusing parts are that its integrally suppressed (something no Benelli has ever been capable of) and has a 6+1 capacity. M3s and M4s are shipped with 5 round tubes but can fit 7 round tubes. I'd say the entry on the wiki page should change to reflect its actually an M3 and the picture updated to reflect that too, but I want to hear other's thoughts as well. Antediluvial (talk) 20:53, 2 February 2022 (EST)
- The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.
- Fair point, the fact that it's pump action despite being depicted with a clear semi-automatic charging handle really bothers me. I guess that could be an animation or coding mistake and it should actually be semi-auto, but yeah on closer inspection the receiver is clearly that of an M4 as is the grip, sights and stock assembly. The pump, barrel and barrel shroud are clearly custom made though. Antediluvial (talk) 22:23, 2 February 2022 (EST)
- Coming back to this, but what if we consider it a hybrid? The receiver is that of an M4 but its been modified/gunsmithed with a custom pump-action mechanism from another weapon, turning it from a semi-auto into a pump-action. I think changing the name to reflect that it's a "Benelli M4 Super 90/Pump-Action Hybrid" would be a good idea. Antediluvial (talk) 19:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)