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| =Happy New Year!= | | ==Happy 2023== |
| Say hello to 2021!--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 03:07, 1 January 2021 (EST)
| | Happy New Year's to all. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 21:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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| :Cheers, everybody! Here's hoping that 2021 goes better than 2020. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 12:20, 1 January 2021 (EST)
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| ::Same to you. Fingers crossed. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 01:30, 2 January 2021 (EST)
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| ::Amen to that. --[[User:Dan San|Dan San]] ([[User talk:Dan San|talk]]) 13:29, 2 January 2021 (EST)
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| == Need help classifying something == | | == I guess, I made ID of Thark Rifle in John Carter movie == |
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| So, I've been working on a side-project for a while, and in the process, I've added a fair few new gun images to the site. Normally, I'd just put them on the appropriate gun page, or on the relevant category page if it doesn't have a page of its own. Problem, is, I just added this:
| | At the ''[[John Carter (2012)|John Carter]]'' movie, most Tharks (Green Martian clan) use Thark Martian rifles. Of course, it was futurised guns, but, after closing inspection of the original movie props, I notice, that's this futusistic rifles were made from [[Tanegashima]]s (of course, a modern replicas). For proving this guess, I made a photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. So, I guess, that's useful to ID the gun as Tanegashma. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC) |
| [[File:6P62.jpg|thumb|none|450px|6P62 - 12.7x108mm]] | | [[Image:Thark rifle photoshop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. The serpent for the match and closing powderbox (1), which is almost similar on the Tanegashima and Thark rifle. The pistol-grip buttstock (2) which is also almost similar. Of course, the movie prop is equipped with some part of other guns (percussion hammer) as well as some junks, to look more futuristic, as well, it's sawn in half, but the basing gun is Tanegashima.]] |
| This here is, as the caption suggests, a 6P62. It's a Russian prototype, it's chambered in 12.7x108mm, and it's full-auto. It was never meant for long-range use (you can't find an image of this thing online with a scope, and it'd probably beat one to death if you tried), so it can't go under Sniper Rifles; it's full-auto, so it can't go with the Semi-Auto Rifles, it fires a round too big to be an Assault Rifle, Battle Rifle, or Light Machine Gun, and it's a man-portable, non-fixed-mounted gun, so it can't be a Heavy Machine Gun either. Where should I put this thing? [[User:BrandonColeford1992|BrandonColeford1992]] ([[User talk:BrandonColeford1992|talk]]) 02:25, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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| :Miscellaneous section of the rifle category maybe?--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:39, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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| ::It was originally intended as a "Ручной крупнокалиберный пулемёт 6П62" (Handheld Large-Caliber Machine Gun 6P62), so we can specify it as a machine gun [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 03:59, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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| :::At some point, I had a discussion with someone else here regarding this gun. It can go to the machine gun category. It seems to be rare case of a heavy machine gun that is actually man-portable. Sometimes it's also referred to as an anti-materiel rifle; if we choose this one, we can simply list it under the general "Rifles" category. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:20, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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| ::::See, I don't really think we can put it in "Rifles", since there's no subcategory for full-auto rifles, and creating one would just result in a big mish-mash of all the assault rifles and select-fire battle rifles. I could get behind calling it an HMG, but I'd still call it a bit strange given that it's a gun one person can (ostensibly) pick up and fire. Maybe we could create a dedicated Anti-Materiel Rifle category? Sure, it would contain a bunch of guns that are already in the Sniper Rifle category, but then again, we have separate categories for Grenade Launchers and UBGLs, so it's not like it'd be unprecedented. Plus, this way we could remove the AT rifles from the Sniper Rifle category, since they really don't fit the bill. Oh, and speaking of AT, I have another discussion to write in. [[User:BrandonColeford1992|BrandonColeford1992]] ([[User talk:BrandonColeford1992|talk]]) 01:08, 6 January 2021 (EST) | |
| ::::: Then just put it in the machine gun category.--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 00:07, 7 January 2021 (EST)
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| ::::::Fair enough. Still think that the AMR category idea holds some water, though. [[User:BrandonColeford1992|BrandonColeford1992]] ([[User talk:BrandonColeford1992|talk]]) 01:20, 7 January 2021 (EST)
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| == Category Proposals == | | ==Smiling Friends page?== |
| | The western animation series Smiling Friends has quite a few realistically-drawn firearms which I documented on my sandbox [[User:Dnkakusei/Sandbox#Smiling_Friends_.5B2022-ongoing.2C_USA.5D|here]]. I would just like to know if the show qualifies for a page on this site. --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 13:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| How about a category for films in the US National Film Registry? As iconic films, these are likely among the first articles a newcomer would check, and their cultural importance makes documenting them of particular note. Of lesser note, we have at least four films (''[[Operation Kid Brother]]'', ''[[Per Aspera Ad Astra (Cherez ternii k zvyozdam)|Per Aspera Ad Astra]]'', ''[[Diabolik]]'', ''[[Invasion USA (1952)|Invasion USA]]'') that have been featured on ''Mystery Science Theater 3000'', and there are many, many more films it featured that could have an article in the future. Should a category for one or both be added? --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 00:21, 19 January 2021 (EST)
| | == Delete category backlog == |
| :[[National Film Registry]]. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:22, 19 January 2021 (EST)
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| == Discord ==
| | Just want to holler at the mod/s just in case. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC) |
| | : Got more screenshots from Detective Conan marked for deletion since Netflix Japan's able to get remastered episodes out and I'm slowly using them to update pages here. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 01:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC) |
| | :: Got more stuff for deletion. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 06:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC) |
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| I've made one. Feel free to float any suggestions/improvements by me; if you're a moderator here, let me know on my talk page and I'll set you up as one there (should you so desire). Rules aren't that much of an issue; generally speaking, if it wouldn't fly here, it won't fly there.
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| So, if you so desire, [https://discord.gg/w2aRKyZmpJ hop on in.]
| | Something I have noticed with classic action films, mostly within the 80's era, is that a lot of muzzle flashes appear more blue than yellow. Did this have something to do with the type of blanks/props that were being used back then, or was this just a result of 1980's cinematography? --[[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 12:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
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| Lemme know what you guys think - like I said, I'm open to suggestions. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:42, 21 January 2021 (EST)
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| == To Catch A Predator page == | | == Monsters vs Aliens? == |
| Would anyone be opposed to a page for To Catch A Predator with Chris Hansen? Strange idea but the show did feature a lot of firearms, mostly used by police, but also in the cars of some predators. ([[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 20:55, 24 January 2021 (EST))
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| [[File:TCAP shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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| :Before we begin, why don't you have a seat right over there? But, anyway, there's a rule against pages for documentaries on this site, but we'll have to see if an admin is okay on allowing a TCAP page.
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| :On another note, I do remember trying to identify the guns used on this show. The police mostly carried full-sized Glocks, one predator had a compact Glock of some sort found in his car, another one had what looks like a Mossberg 500 found in his car, a picture of which you included here. And then there was that guy who had several guns in his car (also seen here). I think it would be a cool page to have, but again, up to the admins. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 21:30, 24 January 2021 (EST)
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| :: Docs and reality-type shows and the like are unilaterally disallowed as far as I'm aware. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:47, 24 January 2021 (EST)
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| ::: Would you guys be willing to consider this one? ([[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 15:17, 28 January 2021 (EST))
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| ::::No, this would not be eligible. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:23, 29 January 2021 (EST)
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| == Grandpa Simpson's gun ==
| | Should we add a page about Monsters vs Aliens, the movie has some detailed guns like the M4 Carbine |
| I know we don't do pages for cartoons but I was watching The Simpsons, 'Who Shot Mr. Burns? Part 1' and there is a scene that depicts a fairly detailed revolver (as far as Simpsons animation goes) that looks like it might have been copied from an actual gun. While Bart helps Grandpa unpack, he opens a cigar box that contains an old revolver that Grandpa refers to as his "old Smith and Wesson". Does this resemble any Smith & Wesson model? ([[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 01:28, 3 February 2021 (EST))
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| [[File:Simpsons S&W 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bart finds Grandpa's "old Smith & Wesson".]]
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| [[File:Simpsons S&W 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"If you're going to play with it, be careful, because it's loaded."]]
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| :Inspired by [[Remington 1875]]. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:19, 3 February 2021 (EST)
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| [[Image:Rem1875.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 1875 - .45 Long Colt.]]
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| == Weapons Handling == | | == Prodigal Son - Season 2, Unknown semi-auto pistol == |
| Are notes regarding the way actors and extras are handling their weapons welcome on certain images? I have noticed a lot of WWII movies where the actors incorrectly hold or move with their weapons like they are a modern-day soldier securing a room with an M4. Soldiers were not trained to move that way during WWII. Without shinning too much light on it, is it ok to point this out in certain images where it is very noticeable? ([[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 22:19, 9 February 2021 (EST))
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| [[File:Hacksaw Carbine 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Glover ([[Sam Worthington]]) in '''Hacksaw Ridge''' with his M1 Carbine. He holds it in the low-ready stance, which was not practiced during WWII.]]
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| :I made a note on [[1917]] about trigger discipline in WWI, so I think it's worth mentioning; just don't come off as overly critical though. This image from HBO's [[Chernobyl]] portrays a similar issue as these Soviet guards should have held their rifles muzzle-up, not down.
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| [[File:ChernobylAK1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]] I think though that actors are instructed to use modern techniques for safety reasons on set, and that probably takes precedence over historical accuracy.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:40, 9 February 2021 (EST)
| | I believe have a positive ID on the "unknown" semi-auto pistol listed for Prodigal Son - Season 2. |
| ::Interesting. On that note, when did trigger discipline become a thing? ([[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 01:31, 10 February 2021 (EST))
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| :::I think that the bigger reason for modern techniques is the fact that the military consultants training the actors wiil themselves have been trained in modern techniques, so that is how they train others. There aren't too many WWII veterens curently in the military consulting game that can share their period correct training. I imagine that there is a slight safety element to the trigger discipline thing on set, but to be frank actors are not to be trusted so if there is a situation that relies on their trigger discipline for the safety of the cast and crew you are asking for trouble. As for when trigger discipline started to really become a thing, I think you could point to the mid 70s when Jeff Cooper started to teach his modern technique with the four rules of safety. I think that it still took a decade to make its way firmly into standard military practice though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:34, 10 February 2021 (EST)
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| ==Can't ID the taser used==
| | I requested an account specifically to help with this ID but I don't understand how to correctly add this info |
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| Right here [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Prodigal_Son_-_Season_2 in this page]. Having trouble. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:12, 11 February 2021 (EST)
| | If someone could vet this and add it, I'd appreciate it! |
| :X26P I think. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:50, 11 February 2021 (EST)
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| :: Doesn't look as big as an X2/X3 from the front. I concur it is more like a X26P. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 23:05, 11 February 2021 (EST)
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| ==pistol ID==
| | Prodigal Son - S02E10, "Exit Strategy". At approx 34m:30s, Felix (spoiler: Clayton Fielder's twin) climbs a staircase while brandishing, then racking, a silver-tone semi-auto I identify as a TriStar P-120 (CZ75 clone). It's later seen several times from virtually every conceivable angle starting around 38:10. |
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| [[File:Hdtfhandgun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|it is never unholstered, so i can't get any better image]] [[User:TheExplodingBarrel|TheExplodingBarrel]] ([[User talk:TheExplodingBarrel|talk]]) 14:51, 12 February 2021 (EST)
| | :I checked it and I think you're right, so I did make all the necessary changes. By the way, don't forget to put your nickname and time in all discussions using 4 "~" at the end of each post. [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 15:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC) |
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| anyone? [[User:TheExplodingBarrel|TheExplodingBarrel]] ([[User talk:TheExplodingBarrel|talk]]) 17:26, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
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| :I think it is too vague and under-detailed for a positive ID, wouldn't lose any sleep over it.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 19:47, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
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| :Stechkin? --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 20:20, 18 March 2021 (EDT) | | Therealnecroscope, 06:35, 6 June 2023 |
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| == M1 bayonets wrongly identified? ==
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| | [[User:Therealnecroscope|Therealnecroscope]] ([[User talk:Therealnecroscope|talk]]) 10:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC) |
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| Hey folks.
| | ==White M18 grenade== |
| | Are white M18 smoke grenade only seen in TV/movies/games? Been seeing some of those. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 17:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC) |
| | :I don't think they come in white IRL. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC) |
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| Posting the stuff [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:M1_Garand_bayonet.jpg here (M7)] and [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:M1_Garand_bayonet_second.jpg here (WWII M1 Bayonet)]. Not sure if they're IDed right. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:50, 13 February 2021 (EST)
| | ==Stunt/action choreography for a director's page== |
| :For the proper identification of bayonets, I recommend [http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/bayonet_identification_guide.html worldbayonets.com], a good reference source. Hope it would be useful. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 05:21, 19 March 2021 (EDT)
| | On the page for stunt choreographer and two-time film director [[Kensuke Sonomura]], I've added a list of films and games that he contributed stunt direction and choreography to. I'm planning on fully adding these productions to his category, but I was told to ask an admin first because stunt coordination is a pretty niche credit, however I believe that these productions should be added to his category as stunt and action sequences are vital and important parts of these films and games. Is it safe to add the pages? --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 12:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC) |
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| == Opinion on something == | | ==Firearm citations without screen grabs?== |
| | I am new here, and I have not seen any guidelines about whether it's okay to cite a firearm in a movie listing without an associated screen grab. Is it better to have a weapon identified, even without a photo? ... or is it really better to make sure that each citation includes corresponding screen grabs? --[[User:226X5-9-TAC|226X5-9-TAC]] ([[User talk:226X5-9-TAC|talk]]) 23:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC). |
| | :First off, welcome aboard. As for your question, if it's a pre-existing page, then pointing out a specific gun that doesn't already have a screencap is fine, as long as you're specific about when and where it appears (though having a screencap is always preferable). If it's for a page that doesn't exist yet, we'd prefer not - we have an excess of pages without screencaps as-is. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 23:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| Sorry I have to keep it short as I need to sleep now. I noted that Pustelga7 gives actor credits for characters from shows (at least) in an IMFDB page who doesn’t use a gun at all. I’m of the opinion that this is not needed and I made such edits in the Falcon and Winter Soldier page. I’m happy to be proven wrong though. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 11:58, 20 March 2021 (EDT)
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| :Why not give such credits? Of course, red links are unnecessary until there is a possibility that the page for an actor can be created, but mentioning the actors isn't a bad thing. I think so. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:21, 20 March 2021 (EDT)
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| :Yes, hello again. I will immediately outline my point of view: I think it would be more correct if we indicate all the actors, regardless of their role and importance. However, there should not be a separate page for such actors. I always try to identify the actor if he is known. You can see that on the [[Fear the Walking Dead - Season 2|Fear the Walking Dead]] and partially [[WandaVision]] pages. [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 12:26, 20 March 2021 (EDT)
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| ::Yeah, crediting the relevant actors is totally fine (it's been commonly done anyway), there is absolutely no reason to remove them. Just leave them without hyperlinks if they haven't held a gun yet. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:54, 20 March 2021 (EDT)
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| ::: I guess if the mods say so, even if I haven’t seen that done in other pages. Not that it’ll change how I write stuff here. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:49, 20 March 2021 (EDT)
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| == An uncommon Thompson front sight ==
| | What type of revolver is this? Film is from 1938. [[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 17:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| A Thompson M1928A1 with hooded (!) front sight is seen in ''[[Soldier of Fortune (1955)]]''.
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| [[File:SoF-1955-Thompson-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The hooded front sight of a Thompson is seen.]] | | : Not really a detailed enough shot to tell much. Appears to be a mid-size, .38 or therabouts. Ejector rod looks rather long which makes me think it has a socket, which would make it a S&W. If so, likely a Military & Police model. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC) |
| I couldn't find anything like it. Can anyone tell me if this is some kind of serial modification or something homemade? The movie was mostly filmed in Hong Kong, if this could help. Thanks! --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:12, 20 March 2021 (EDT)
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| : Hong Kong? Weren't copies produced in large quantity in China a bit before that? Might not be an "authentic" American made example. A slight change in sight style is ''nothing'' compared to the other oddities (pistols with bayonet lugs) that came out of China in that era. --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 19:52, 24 March 2021 (EDT) | |
| ::Possibly. I couldn't find any image of Chinese Thompson with such sights. All variants that are seen in both reference books and in internet are accurate copies of M1921/M1928 with only markings that reveal the manufacturer, or the 7.62mm convertion that has a distinct curved magazine. The screen gun, as it seems to me, has the front sight taken from MP40. So it's most likely a single piece rather than some serial version. Just my opinion. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:02, 25 March 2021 (EDT)
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| ==Update on nuked images== | | ==NCIS Sydney== |
| | Should I wait until the episode/s airing in Australia in the last few weeks this month are accessible in Canada/US next month (January 2024) before screencapping, even though the show's backed by CBS and Paramount Plus? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| Just wanna holler it out there. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:54, 24 March 2021 (EDT)
| | == Happy New Year! (2024) == |
| :There is a time <s>to throw away stones</s> to delete nuked images. But nobody knows when this time will come. Wait and hope. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:07, 25 March 2021 (EDT)
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| =="Prototype" category?==
| | Happy New Year to all IMFDB and may this year be prolific in page editing too!--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
| We've [[Pancor Jackhammer|got]] [[Heckler & Koch G11|a lot]] [[Steyr ACR|prototypes]] [[Heckler & Koch XM29 Objective Individual Combat Weapon|that]] [[Metal Storm Weapons|never entered]] mass production ([[AK-12|or did yet have a prototype design appear everywhere]]) with a large number of appearances, some to the point they've made more media appearances than there were units produced. How about a category? Alternatively title could be something like "No Mass Production", which would include things like [[China Lake Launcher]] and [[Walther WA 2000]] (which were past prototype, but had very limited runs) and make Fictional Firearm into a subcategory of that (since almost all of them are physical props made in limited number, many functional enough to fire blanks). --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 19:52, 24 March 2021 (EDT)
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| :Eh, I could see that becoming a bit of a problem - "No Mass Production" would be pretty arbitrary, since you'd have to define some exact number as "mass production", and even "prototype" is a bit of a gray area (since some prototypes saw actual combat use in field trials (or, in some cases like the French Resistance and some last-ditch Imperial Japanese efforts, simply saw use because guns of any sort were needed), with some prototypes being produced in larger numbers than some "production" guns for trials. Not to mention that we'd wind up including half of the gun articles on the site anyway, since there are many instances where a prototype version of a full-production gun gets an appearance - take, for example, the video game appearances of the Magpul Masada, or the MPX Copperhead prototype in JW3. It's a neat idea, but would be worth neither the effort nor the semantical debates in practice. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:46, 24 March 2021 (EDT)
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| ::What's the point of such category? Categories for guns by type are useful in purpose of identification, but hardly anybody would specially search for prototypes. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:09, 25 March 2021 (EDT)
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| ==Actor page having video game credits==
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| For reference, it's in the [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Takeshi_Kitano Takeshi Kitano page] as an example since he's been mocapped/voiced by the guy in Yakuza 6. Not sure if it's okay to leave by itself. This kind of acting credit is kinda limited in the sense that it's a mixed bag. Other instances that I can think of is Quantum Break where the actors are mocapped and voiced by the same person. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 23:23, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
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| :The text of the Actor Title template is the following: "''Actor'' can be seen using the following weapons in the following films (and television series)". So strictly speaking, the voicing of VGs or animations doesn't fall within the meaning of the actor's page. However, the case where the actor works for motion capture is possibly suitable for inclusion. This is my personal opinion, not an interpretation of the rules. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
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| :: I think 'XXXX '''can be seen''' ' is pretty unambiguous - If the actor him/herself is actually seen handling a gun, it counts. If not, then it don't. I don't think we need to nor should start expanding actor page credits beyond anything they don't visually portray. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:08, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
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| :On this subject, I previously included [[Andrew Bicknell]]'s role in ''Agent Under Fire'' on his page since he already had a page at the time and he was on (or at least model for) the cover. "Can be seen" gets a bit odd with characters that are explicitly and officially modeled after a real person as well as voiced by them. If we're going to talk about how it ''should'' be, I'd '''propose''' (emphasis) making it so it's fine to include mocap, (official) face sculpt model, and maybe voice acting '''if an actor already has a page for fully live action roles''', but not to create a new page if the actor doesn't have one already. The issue with that would be how to credit video game characters that can wind up using all kinds of different guns, but something like "Various" would be sufficient. --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 21:11, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
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| ::: I can agree with all but the last one. A distinct physical/aesthetic likeness is one thing, but voice-only credits don't merit inclusion, plain and simple. Existing page or no. Again, the actor him- or her-self needs to actually ''be seen'' with a firearm. I'm not seeing where this is open for interpretation, frankly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:17, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::So you'd be okay with it if the character uses the actor's likeness, such as the cases of [[Sam Witwer]] in ''[[Days Gone]]'' and [[Jim Pirri]] in ''Days Gone'' and ''[[Red Dead Redemption II]]''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:53, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::And as for the matter of listing which guns are used by them, I suggest we list any default ones (such as those seen wielded by them in cutscenes) first, then for the rest just use "Player's choice" like I've seen some other wikis do. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 22:11, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
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| :::::I recall that mocaps have been disallowed on actors/actresses pages (regarding video games and 3D animated films). And it makes sense, since technically the actors didn't hold the actual guns; it honestly doesn't matter whether their likeness and/or voice were used or not. That said, actor pages can have a video game entry if the game features live-action cutscenes with the actor physically holding a real weapon (such as in ''[[Need for Speed: Undercover]]''). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 22:21, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
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| Yes, mo-cap and voicework is not eligible, but FMV is. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 01:30, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
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| :Guess I can make the edit on Takeshi Kitano's page. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:59, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
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| == Unknown Pistol from FaWS ==
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| I decided to make a discussion here as well. We have an unknown pistol that no one can identify yet. There are some nice screenshots showing all the details clearly, but that doesn't help. And yes, this is not HK pistol (such as P30, HK45 or VP9). If anyone has ideas, please write. Additionally, if I do manage to attract attention, I will take a moment to ask more about this rifle.
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| [[File:FWS01E03 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
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| [[File:FaWS S1E03 48.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
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| [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 08:56, 4 April 2021 (EDT)
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| :I think the pistol is a Arex Delta, and the rifle is a [[SIG SG 556 DMR]] with a French AC58 rifle grenade that is used with the FAMAS/HK416F.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 09:13, 4 April 2021 (EDT)
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| :Actually, the pistol in the second image is a [[CZ P-10C]], I haven't seen the show but I assume it is a different scene from the first.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 09:21, 4 April 2021 (EDT)
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| ::Oh yes, you are right. The second screen is really CZ. This means that character used two pistols during the gunfight. I checked the AREX pistol and I think it doesn't look like it. Yes, there are some similar parts, but these are different pistols. Now for the rifle. I think you are right and this is a SIG, but modified, since the forend and barrel are very different from the basic version. Many many thanks for the help. [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 09:54, 4 April 2021 (EDT)
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| :::The rifle is just the 556 DMR with a different railed handguard, like this [https://www.gunsamerica.com/911557443/SIG-556-DMR.htm| one]. The barrel just looks like it was digitally manipulated for the rifle grenade.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:15, 4 April 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::Okay, that makes sense. Thanks again. [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 10:23, 4 April 2021 (EDT)
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| == When to put release years on titles ==
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| Genuine question: when is it appropriate or necessary to put release dates on titles of pages? Specifically on titles of pages of movies? Is it just when there are titles that are identical or similar (e.g. ''[[Predator (1987)]]'' and ''[[Predators (2010)]]'') or also when they're too generic (e.g. ''[[1917 (2019)]]'')? --[[User:Dan San|Dan San]] ([[User talk:Dan San|talk]]) 22:35, 9 April 2021 (EDT)
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| :Definitely when there's more than one piece of media with that title. With your above example, it can be argued that it's not necessary, since there's only one film titled ''Predator'', but in that case ''Predator'' goes to the disambiguation page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 00:38, 10 April 2021 (EDT)
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| ==Blacklist (S8) Colt LEs?==
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| Not sure if the unknown rifles I took snapshots of are Colt LE based [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Blacklist,_The_-_Season_8 here]. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 11:06, 16 April 2021 (EDT)
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| :The handguard is a 12" Hera Arms IRS like on [https://www.cbcpfa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/ar-15-upper-assembly-16-223-5-56-1-8-12-hera-arms-irs-unmarked-ar-15-handguard-rail-1.jpg this upper]. Technically it could be built from a a Colt LE carbine, or it could be a total custom, or it could be a complete upper fitted to a different lower. Based on the finish I am more inclined to think the latter. I don't think there is a particular name for this rifle, I would probably just call it a "Hera Arms AR-15" or something like that. I think this is the first rifle that is called an LE carbine on the season 7 page also. I'll try and go through the seasons later as there are a fair few mis-id'd AR-15s on these pages, mostly with 516s in the LE carbine section. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:42, 16 April 2021 (EDT)
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| ::Nice find. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 05:00, 18 April 2021 (EDT)
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| == Please help with identification ==
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| An air pistol in 1988 season of British TV series ''[[Bergerac - Season 6|Bergerac]]'':
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| [[File:Bergerac-S06E08-AirPistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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| If I'm not mistaken, it is fitted with Singlepoint OEG. The plot describes the pistol shooting darts (also seen on the screenshot), but in reality the pistol may be a more common .177 gun.
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| And a slightly uncommon issue - a toy shotgun:
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| The gun lies on its box that allows to say this is a toy. The gun lies on its box that allows to say this is a toy. In my opinion this toy shotgun resembles Valtro PM5 that was possibly the inspiration for the toy.
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| Thanks in advance --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:50, 20 April 2021 (EDT)
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| :Air gun looks like a FAS 6004 with a fake gas tank added ahead of the trigger guard. The real gun is a single stroke pneumatic so doesn't have a precharged tank. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:36, 20 April 2021 (EDT)
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| ::Many thanks! FAS 6004 is too modern gun for 1980s but its direct predecessor FAS AP 604 existed at the right time. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:57, 21 April 2021 (EDT)
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| ==Phantom Forces page?==
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| Could we get a page for Phantom Forces? I think it counts under user-created mods, as it's a Roblox game. It's got at least 200 firearms, including some really weird and unique ones, like the M231 FPW or the North Korean Type 88, a 5.45mm Bizon AK hybrid. --[[User:JackalUnderscore|JackalUnderscore]] ([[User talk:JackalUnderscore|talk]]) 08:21, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
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| :If you're willing to put in the effort (which, from my understanding, will be a considerable amount), I don't see why not. Then again, I'm not an authority on the matter. Mods? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 13:18, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
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| ::I'm more than willing to make this page. I don't have much else to do after exams due to the lockdown. --[[User:JackalUnderscore|JackalUnderscore]] ([[User talk:JackalUnderscore|talk]]) 16:15, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
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| :::It might be an interesting precedent considering we have no pages for, well, games-in-a-game like Roblox. We do allow user-made mods for retail games, which is a similar idea, so I don't see why not. But, yeah, we'll see what the admins have to say. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 21:40, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::So, uh, do we have a verdict on this? It's been a few days since the question was asked. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:38, 18 May 2021 (EDT)
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| :::::The rules regarding mods state: "Self made, user created or free online games do not qualify even if they manage to acquire some sort of internet distribution. The only exception to this rule is Mods for legitimate game titles that already qualify as a professionally distributed item (i.e. sold to the general public through recognized channels of commerce)." It looks like Roblox is a professionally distributed item, available in the Xbox and Microsoft stores (and Apple, Google and Amazon app stores, but those don't count). So you should be good to go. Please don't leave it incomplete. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:19, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::::Awesome, thanks! --[[User:JackalUnderscore|JackalUnderscore]] ([[User talk:JackalUnderscore|talk]]) 17:20, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
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| ==Photo of a suppressed Kimber Warrior==
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| Been wondering if there are photos online that show a suppressed Kimber Warrior. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 11:47, 1 June 2021 (EDT)
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| ::Searching "kimber warrior suppressed" on Google Images gave me plenty of results. --[[User:Dan San|Dan San]] ([[User talk:Dan San|talk]]) 22:30, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
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| :::Can't seem to find one wiht a suppressor though. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 11:57, 19 June 2021 (EDT)
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| == AMR Category? ==
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| So, someone already proposed this earlier, but do you think an anti-materiel rifle category would be a good idea? It seems like a better solution than shoehorning the AT rifles into Sniper Rifles. Sure, some of the entries would be doubled up in AMRs and Sniper Rifles (like, say, the [[McMillan TAC-50]]), but that's hardly anything new - we have plenty of guns in multiple categories, the Grenade Launcher/UBGL category overlap being a prime example. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 15:23, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
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| == Spider-Man PS4 ==
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| Here I go again asking if a game is proper for inclusion. This time it's Spider-Man (2018) for the PS4, which has quite a few guns featured in it, but I couldn't identify them at all. They may be amalgamations of several guns or entirely fictional. Here are some screenshots:
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| '''Pistol'''<br>
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| Can't put my finger on what model it could be, honestly.<br>
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| *https://i.imgur.com/iEzIsQU.png<br>
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| *https://img.redbull.com/images/q_auto,f_auto/redbullcom/2018/09/25/643a893c-a455-4026-9735-ec993c1008e4/spider-man-ps4-villain-with-weapon
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| '''Assault rifle''' <br>
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| Seems to have some [[AK]] influence with a [[G36]] carry handle/accessory rail.<br>
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| *https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/773981410544063832/ECCA71EF6037A9A512702BFC5453448AE69CB4AF/?imw=512&&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
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| *https://img5.goodfon.com/wallpaper/nbig/9/d8/spider-man-ps4-spider-man-ps4-chelovek-pauk-soldaty-oruzhie.jpg
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| '''Sniper rifle'''<br>
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| It's bolt action and likely a .50 cal.<br>
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| *https://i.redd.it/a874q3vo8b921.jpg<br>
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| *https://i.redd.it/duzym9b75cr11.jpg
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| '''Minigun'''<br>
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| A handheld minigun. Big enough to be considered a [[M61 Vulcan]].<br>
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| There's also the [[M84 stun grenade]], a rocket launcher that appears to be the [[MATADOR]] and some other fictional energy guns in the game. I'd really like some help with this.
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| --[[User:Dan San|Dan San]] ([[User talk:Dan San|talk]]) 21:36, 11 June 2021 (EDT)
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| ==AKMSU with 7.62 bakelite mag?==
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| How rare is it that you can see an AKMSU that's used in TV shows/movies/etc with a 7.62 bakelite magazine? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 11:57, 19 June 2021 (EDT)
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| ==Weapons pages getting too long?==
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| [[Federov Avtomat|This]] is just one of several weapon pages I've seen over the last couple years get overly lengthy in the descriptions and history of the weapon, nevermind adding some peripheral history that really has little to do with the gun itself.
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| I guess maybe I'm out of touch with things these days but I recall there was something clearly stated about this place ''not'' meant to be a gun encyclopedia. Yet it seems we're getting very much encyclopedic with describing many of these weapons, going into detail about exactly what armed force units were meant to be assigned them, exact procedures on how to fire them.. I mean do we REALLY need all of that? We're here to ID the weapons used in media and so anything past info that would aid in identifying them (which I suppose includes pointing out inaccuracies in their portrayal of use but even then these should be obvious or blatant) just seems like veering off into territory that isn't our domain. There's just a point where it's too damn much, simple as that.
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| PS - I now realize this might have been better poised on the forum and maybe I'll get to that but I just wrote all this shit here so, yeah. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:52, 23 June 2021 (EDT)
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| ::I guess it's a situation that will involve other members weighing in. I don't see where having the history of a firearm model on it's specific page to be an issue. Yes I've built a few weapons pages that provide the history of the model. To name just a few: [[Remington Model 721]], [[Gevarm Type D4]] and [[Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector Series]]. I've always gotten positive feedback and I like a bit of history.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 03:41, 25 June 2021 (EDT)
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| :::I, for one, welcome the historical stuff - it's interesting, and provides useful information for pointing out errors and/or misconceptions regarding certain guns. Take, for instance, the Fedorov page that just got cut back - the info there was helpful, as it pointed out some of the common misconceptions regarding the weapon that could easily translate into errors in its depiction (e.g. showing the M1919 or M1922 versions in common use during WWI). Removing that info could lead to inaccuracies in a gun's depiction being missed, or even correct depictions being marked wrong due to the truth being different from the common perception. And, again, historical info is neat. Just my two cents, though. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 12:41, 25 June 2021 (EDT)
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| These super-long pages are definitely not the new norm. Only a few gun pages go into such extreme details on history like that. We can just clean up anything that goes overboard with historical descriptions to refocus them on model descriptions.--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 04:56, 25 June 2021 (EDT)
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| :::: Don't get me wrong, I've no problem with details that aid in pointing out proper portrayals (or not) and I also enjoy the historical background.. ''but'' like I said, there's a point where it just gets extraneous and I guess I'm just wanting to head it off a tad here. The Fedorov piece was just the latest example. But there's others, mainly some of the missile launcher pages, and a couple other odds and ends. JCordell, your stuff really can't compare as it's all a lot more concise. <br> <br> Having said that, I've done a few ridiculously lengthy bits myself and I would always say those, though considerable, make points that DO serve our purpose. And.. I must agree that still is the case here and elsewhere, mostly anyway. It can be overdone but I suppose that's subjective, with that line still mostly up to those actually putting the work in, which I'm not trying to snub either. So hypocrisy aside maybe I'm the one bitching about nothing here this time, heh. Still I just felt I should make a note about it going forward. I think Wuzh said it best.. we can always trim some of the larger writeups to keep focus. Which end of the day is pretty much all I'm going for/getting at. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:04, 25 June 2021 (EDT)
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| :::::Leave just the title and pictures, and that's it. I also think that technical data columns are also useless as they don't carry any payload. Weapon lists for armies... who even needs it here? If someone wants to find out something himself, then let him collect information in other places. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 22:42, 25 June 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::::Forgive me if this comes off as rude but... what? We're the Internet Movie Firearms Database, and a database is, by definition, a repository of information. I hardly see how additional information pertaining to the topic of the database is a bad thing. Like I said, it can help people spot errors if nothing else - the country-specific military weapon list pages actually outright state that they're there to help people determine whether a given depiction of something in media is correct or not. Sure, someone ''could'' check that info elsewhere, but why should we go out of our way to make it harder for them to find potentially-useful information that was originally cobbled together from several sources, some of which might not even be in a language they can read? Sure, you can certainly go too far and include irrelevant or pointless information, but I hardly think that most of the information being discussed here is irrelevant or pointless. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]])
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| :::::::We are a database, not an encyclopedia. Arguably, anything other than a list of appearances of a firearm in qualifying media is outside of the scope of the database. However, there is certain information that is useful and worth including. A brief description of the gun is useful especially if it is something obscure. A little bit of development history is fine as it helps with knowing if it is anachronistic in a piece of media and if it is the correct version for the time. Not all specifications are strictly necessary but some stuff like fire modes, calibers, feed systems and barrel lengths are good as it helps to ID if something is an accurate portrayal (especially in games). The Federov article as was went way over the line however, as it was a wall of text including stuff like what other equipment the units who were issued the gun were also issued with with which is not needed. There has been discussion about the weapon lists for armed forces before, however I do believe they are somewhat usful as it allows somebody to check in a single place to know whether the weapons used in a piece of media are accurate without having every page on the wiki have a list of who uses a particular gun and when. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:11, 26 June 2021 (EDT)
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