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Questionable Guns

Im wondering how in the hell you could identify some of these holstered guns. The Colt Python I could see. But the Beretta? The Smith & Wesson 4506? The Bersa Thunder 380? How are these being identified? It is beyond me how someone could make such assumptions (unless you contacted the film's armorer), so please explain! -Gunman69 05:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The Beretta and S&W 4506 I'm confident on based on what I can see about their size, grip shape, ect. The Bersa .380 I'm iffy about, but something in my head said it was a Bersa, so I went with it. - Gunmaster45

I'm not so sure that the Deputy with the S&W is carrying a 4506. The 4506 has a wrap-around black plastic grip, whereas this guy's pistol (whatever it is) clearly has panel grips. You can see that the back of the grip is silver, which it shouldn't be if it's a 4506 (or any 3rd Gen S&W auto). -MT2008 01:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

FYI, the Kentucky State Police did not use a S & W 4506 at the time of this movie. It was a S & W 10mm Model 1076.

"nickel plated sissy gun"

I think it's funny that he refers the .45 Taurus as a sissy gun. That gun is a beast, man. A true .45 manstopper. Just not quite as tactical as a Glock, but that certainly doesn't make it a sissy gun. The movie armorer should have picked a different gun to be the sissy gun.

Like a nickel plated .32 w/ pearl grips or something-S&Wshooter 23:27, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I suspect that by calling it a 'sissy pistol' he meant Royce was compensating for something, but I agree, all the same. --MattyDienhoff 00:04, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

he could be calling the gun "sissy" not the round

I had assumed he called it sissy because its flashy and unprofessional.

true you don't see many silver finishes with law enforcement weapons

With the exception of Smith & Wesson semi-autos. Seem to be plenty of them carried by law enforcement personnel with stainless steel finishes. Orca1 9904 04:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

More reasonable ways for Gerard to pull off his end-of-movie trick?

The current (12/30/09) edit for this article is quite derisive of Gerard's method of rendering Royce's Glock harmless, saying that "Royce must be pretty amateur since he failed to notice the difference in the weight of his Glock after 15 rounds of .40 Smith & Wesson disappeared." Can anyone here think of other, more plausible ways Gerard could have used without giving obvious signs that something was off with Royce's gun before he tried pulling the trigger?

-Replacing the magazine with one loaded with blanks, making for a rather funny moment as Royce fires a shot to no effect and checks the magazine to find only blanks?

-Sabotaging the mechanism of Royce's gun so that it would jam, misfire, or otherwise refuse to function completely?

-Replacing the magazine with a weighted but empty magazine that exactly duplicates the fully-loaded weight but obviously can't fire?

Well you have to keep in mind that Gerard had to do this while engaged in conversation with Royce who was sitting right next to him, plus I doubt a Marshal would carry around a 'dummy' magazine in the field. Plus you seem to be forgetting the fact that this is a MOVIE, a work of FICTION. Orca1 9904 04:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

He could have popped the first round of the mag out and reloaded it backwards (as in loaded the rond into the magazine facing the wrong way), preventing the gun from firing whilst not altering the weight and jamming the gun --Captain Snikt 05:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, that sounds plausible, but I wonder how Gerard might pull off a mis-insertion like that while talking to Royce, without tipping Royce off that his gun is being sabotaged. --Mazryonh 18:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

You guys are thinking way too hard about this. Do you really expect that the screenwriters know that much about Glocks, or about guns in general? Orca already gave y'all the answer: This is a MOVIE. And it's a GOOF on the part of the writers. It's really that simple; and there's no further discussion needed. -MT2008 18:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Whoever wrote the "Royce must be pretty amateur" bit obviously thought the movie deserved better than to treat a special agent like some total gun newb. A lot of pages on this wiki complain about gun continuity errors, "bottomless magazines," guns inappropriate for the time or place or faction appearing in a piece of media, etc. I posed the question because I wanted to know how the writers could have fixed this situation with a little more respect to guns in real life. --Mazryonh 19:43, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

It's a tired movie device. Like in the Abyss, when we're supposed to assume that an experience Navy SEAL doesn't notice that his P226 doesn't have a mag in it. And as for an easier way, I'd release the magazine half way, eject the round in the chamber, hit the slide release, and then put the magazine back. That way, he'd have to at least manually cycle the action again for a fresh round, and it's doubtful anyone would notice the weight difference with one round. (Then again, with Hollywood's love of dramatically racking the slide, it'd never work.)--Funkychinaman 20:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Royce's Bulletproof Vest

During the Swamp Search, it looks as though Royce has taken off his Jacket, Shirt and Tie revealing a Black T-Shirt and Bulletproof Vest. It's an Obvious plot hole since Royce SHOULD have been wearing it at the end of the movie.

how is this a plot hole exactly? the end of the movie takes place days after the swamp search. and who's to say he was wearing one when they were searching the boat, but then took it off after they were done?

Shooting Underwater

Regarding the GLOCK firing underwater, the GLOCK will fire underwater, however this is not unique to GLOCK as many pistols will fire underwater without jamming. I have a video showing multiple guns being fired underwater. The key is not to rapid fire, as the barrel needs to refill with water, otherwise you can create an excessive pressure issue.

---Agreed: here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ectL29w_9l8 and there are many other documented cases.

"Gerard pumps the action of the Maverick 88 before holding it on another suspect, and accidentally ejects a live round."

it's standard practice in law enforcement and military that if you pick up a discarded/dropped weapon, you must manually load the weapon, you can't assume whether the gun may or may not be loaded. Gerard has no way of knowing whether the weapon is or isn't in a ready to fire condition and cocks the weapon regardless.

Also, it's probable that he wasn't intending to use the weapon at all, so probably cocked it to scare the fugitive.

Pen Gun

The pen gun is listed on this page twice, once under pistols and once under other. Just thought I'd mention it :)--cool-breeze 05:36, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

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+==Questionable Guns==
+Im wondering how in the hell you could identify some of these holstered guns. The Colt Python I could see. But the Beretta? The Smith & Wesson 4506? The Bersa Thunder 380? How are these being identified? It is beyond me how someone could make such assumptions (unless you contacted the film's armorer), so please explain! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
+:The Beretta and S&W 4506 I'm confident on based on what I can see about their size, grip shape, ect. The Bersa .380 I'm iffy about, but something in my head said it was a Bersa, so I went with it. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
-==Helicopter gun==
+::I'm not so sure that the Deputy with the S&W is carrying a 4506.  The 4506 has a wrap-around black plastic grip, whereas this guy's pistol (whatever it is) clearly has panel grips.  You can see that the back of the grip is silver, which it shouldn't be if it's a 4506 (or any 3rd Gen S&W auto). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
-:Are you sure it's an MP5? The angle makes it hard to tell, but the shape of the stock is not very MP5-ish. It looks more to me like like an SR9 variant.
-:Maybe it's a PSG-1 or a G3?
-It has to be a G3 Variant
-Well, watching it again, I don't see the G3 style magazine, so it can't be any of that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
-I wouldn't consider it absurd at all to use a submachinegun as a sniper/marksman weapon, I remember seeing a documentary on the German Federal Police (or the GSG9) and they were using the MP5A3 in the same role in a helicopter. -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
-::It looks like an HK91, judging by the trigger grouping and the handguard, but that's just a guess. I wouldn't know how large the actors hands are, but he only takes up a part of it.
-:::It appears to have two pins over the right thumb implying that--whatever else it is--it is not a 9mm or 5.56mm weapon.  Additionally, the reciever is grooved, so not a PSG-1 or MSG90-series weapon.  (Tweak the lighting on that clip.)
+FYI, the Kentucky State Police did not use a S & W 4506 at the time of this movie.  It was a S & W 10mm Model 1076.
-::::Looking at the cap. for about 30 or so seconds, I can offer the following tidbit; if you look closely at the end of the handguard, you can just barely make out the front sight, thus excluding the PSG-1 from the list of candidates, as the rifle does not have iron sights to begin with. Also, the buttstock looks to be a standard buttstock, due to the apparent lack of a cheek rest, which is featured on the PSG-1, MSG-90, and G3-SG1 rifles. hope this helps -24.186.223.137
+== "nickel plated sissy gun" ==
-:::::It could still be an HK91 with a scope then, couldn't it? ~ Revolver
+I think it's funny that he refers the .45 Taurus as a sissy gun. That gun is a beast, man. A true .45 manstopper. Just not quite as tactical as a Glock, but that certainly doesn't make it a sissy gun. The movie armorer should have picked a different gun to be the sissy gun.
+:Like a nickel plated .32 w/ pearl grips or something-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 23:27, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
+::I suspect that by calling it a 'sissy pistol' he meant Royce was compensating for something, but I agree, all the same. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 00:04, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
+he could be calling the gun "sissy" not the round
+I had assumed he called it sissy because its flashy and unprofessional.
+true you don't see many silver finishes with law enforcement weapons
+:With the exception of Smith & Wesson semi-autos. Seem to be plenty of them carried by law enforcement personnel with stainless steel finishes. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
+== More reasonable ways for Gerard to pull off his end-of-movie trick? ==
+The current (12/30/09) edit for this article is quite derisive of Gerard's method of rendering Royce's Glock harmless, saying that "Royce must be pretty amateur since he failed to notice the difference in the weight of his Glock after 15 rounds of .40 Smith & Wesson disappeared." Can anyone here think of other, more plausible ways Gerard could have used without giving obvious signs that something was off with Royce's gun before he tried pulling the trigger?
+-Replacing the magazine with one loaded with blanks, making for a rather funny moment as Royce fires a shot to no effect and checks the magazine to find only blanks?
+-Sabotaging the mechanism of Royce's gun so that it would jam, misfire, or otherwise refuse to function completely?
+-Replacing the magazine with a weighted but empty magazine that exactly duplicates the fully-loaded weight but obviously can't fire?
+:Well you have to keep in mind that Gerard had to do this while engaged in conversation with Royce who was sitting right next to him, plus I doubt a Marshal would carry around a 'dummy' magazine in the field. Plus you seem to be forgetting the fact that this is a MOVIE, a work of FICTION. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
+He could have popped the first round of the mag out and reloaded it backwards (as in loaded the rond into the magazine facing the wrong way), preventing the gun from firing whilst not altering the weight and jamming the gun --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 05:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
+Hmm, that sounds plausible, but I wonder how Gerard might pull off a mis-insertion like that while talking to Royce, without tipping Royce off that his gun is being sabotaged. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
+:You guys are thinking ''way'' too hard about this.  Do you really expect that the screenwriters know that much about Glocks, or about guns in general?  Orca already gave y'all the answer: This is a MOVIE.  And it's a GOOF on the part of the writers.  It's really that simple; and there's no further discussion needed. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
+:Whoever wrote the "Royce must be pretty amateur" bit obviously thought the movie deserved better than to treat a special agent like some total gun newb. A lot of pages on this wiki complain about gun continuity errors, "bottomless magazines," guns inappropriate for the time or place or faction appearing in a piece of media, etc. I posed the question because I wanted to know how the writers could have fixed this situation with a little more respect to guns in real life. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 19:43, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
+:It's a tired movie device. Like in the Abyss, when we're supposed to assume that an experience Navy SEAL doesn't notice that his P226 doesn't have a mag in it. And as for an easier way, I'd release the magazine half way, eject the round in the chamber, hit the slide release, and then put the magazine back. That way, he'd have to at least manually cycle the action again for a fresh round, and it's doubtful anyone would notice the weight difference with one round. (Then again, with Hollywood's love of dramatically racking the slide, it'd never work.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
+== Royce's Bulletproof Vest ==
+During the Swamp Search, it looks as though Royce has taken off his Jacket, Shirt and Tie revealing a Black T-Shirt and Bulletproof Vest.
+It's an Obvious plot hole since Royce SHOULD have been wearing it at the end of the movie.
+:how is this a plot hole exactly?  the end of the movie takes place days after the swamp search.  and who's to say he was wearing one when they were searching the boat, but then took it off after they were done?
+== Shooting Underwater ==
+Regarding the GLOCK firing underwater, the GLOCK will fire underwater, however this is not unique to GLOCK as many pistols will fire underwater without jamming. I have a video showing multiple guns being fired underwater. The key is not to rapid fire, as the barrel needs to refill with water, otherwise you can create an excessive pressure issue.
+---Agreed: here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ectL29w_9l8  and there are many other documented cases.
+== "Gerard pumps the action of the Maverick 88 before holding it on another suspect, and accidentally ejects a live round." ==
+it's standard practice in law enforcement and military that if you pick up a discarded/dropped weapon, you must manually load the weapon, you can't assume whether the gun may or may not be loaded. Gerard has no way of knowing whether the weapon is or isn't in a ready to fire condition and cocks the weapon regardless.
+Also, it's probable that he wasn't intending to use the weapon at all, so probably cocked it to scare the fugitive.
+== Pen Gun ==
+The pen gun is listed on this page twice, once under pistols and once under other. Just thought I'd mention it :)--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:36, 8 April 2011 (CDT)