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=Revolvers= | =Revolvers= | ||
==Smith & Wesson Model 29== | ==Smith & Wesson Model 29== | ||
Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) uses a blued [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] 4" with S&W factory combat grips for the majority of the film after buying it in a pawn shop. The weapon here can be identified as an actual large-caliber .44 Magnum N-frame Model 29 due to the heavy non-tapered 'bull' barrel and full-length cylinder (The cylinder fills the entire gap). A different .357 Magnum N-frame S&W revolver was also used in some parts, noted in the Model 28 section below, but the Model 29 was also definitely used. '''See the [[Talk:Payback|Discussion]] page for comparisons and additional information.''' | Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) uses a blued [[Smith & Wesson Model 29|Smith & Wesson Model 29-2]] 4" with S&W factory combat grips (refinished by Peter Orr) for the majority of the film after buying it in a pawn shop. The weapon here can be identified as an actual large-caliber .44 Magnum N-frame Model 29 due to the heavy non-tapered 'bull' barrel and full-length cylinder (The cylinder fills the entire gap). A different .357 Magnum N-frame S&W revolver was also used in some parts, noted in the Model 28 section below, but the Model 29 was also definitely used. '''See the [[Talk:Payback|Discussion]] page for comparisons and additional information.''' | ||
The use of the Model 29 in this film is likely a tribute to ''[[Point Blank (1967)|Point Blank]]'', in which [[Lee Marvin]] used a nearly identical weapon. | The use of the Model 29 in this film is likely a tribute to ''[[Point Blank (1967)|Point Blank]]'', in which [[Lee Marvin]] used a nearly identical weapon. The Model 29 from this movie was sold when the Stembridge Gun Rentals inventory was auctioned off in 1999, and [https://www.icollector.com/item.aspx?i=27408650 later re-sold] by Little John's Auction Service in 2007. | ||
[[Image:M29S&W4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 with 4" barrel - .44 Magnum]] | [[Image:M29S&W4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 29-2 with 4" barrel - .44 Magnum]] | ||
[[Image:27408650 2.jpg|thumb|none| | [[Image:27408650 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Smith & Wesson Model 29-2 from ''[[Payback]].'' The pistol shown here is the actual screen-used firearm from the movie; this gun was auctioned off by Stembridge Gun Rentals in 1999, and later re-sold by a different auction house.]] | ||
[[Image:27408650 4.jpg|thumb|none| | [[Image:27408650 4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Another view of the screen-used Smith & Wesson Model 29-2 from ''[[Payback]].'']] | ||
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The pawn shop owner hands Porter a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] from off the rack. His lack of gun safety is pretty obvious as he hands him the gun with the hammer cocked and his finger on the trigger.]] | [[Image:PaybackS&W27-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The pawn shop owner hands Porter a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] from off the rack. His lack of gun safety is pretty obvious as he hands him the gun with the hammer cocked and his finger on the trigger.]] | ||
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Left:''' Porter swings open the cylinder and spins it. A ratcheting sound effect is heard even though there is nothing for the cylinder to ratchet against. <BR>'''Right:''' Porter examines the barrel. Note the smooth topstrap and bull barrel. Both consistent with a Model 29.]] | [[Image:PaybackS&W27-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Left:''' Porter swings open the cylinder and spins it. A ratcheting sound effect is heard even though there is nothing for the cylinder to ratchet against. <BR>'''Right:''' Porter examines the barrel. Note the smooth topstrap and bull barrel. Both consistent with a Model 29.]] | ||
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==SIG-Sauer P220== | ==SIG-Sauer P220== | ||
Chow's bodyguard ([[Jeff Imada]]) is seen firing a [[SIG-Sauer P220]] through the floor of the van at Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]). Earlier in the film Porter is seen taking a SIG P220 from one of Carter's ([[William Devane]]) guards after knocking him out with a roll of pennies and then using it to kill him. They are noted as P220 models by their lack of double stack bulges on the frame, and their .45-sized muzzle diameters. | |||
[[Image:SigP220EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 ACP]] | [[Image:SigP220EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 ACP]] | ||
[[Image:PaybackSIGP220-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter shoots Carter with one of his guard's [[SIG-Sauer P220]] pistols.]] | [[Image:PaybackSIGP220-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter shoots Carter with one of his guard's [[SIG-Sauer P220]] pistols.]] | ||
[[Image:PaybackSIGP220-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px| | [[Image:PaybackSIGP220-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chow's bodyguard ([[Jeff Imada]]) fires his SIG P220 at Porter under the van, and misses him despite him being directly under him.]] | ||
[[Image:PaybackSIGP220-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px| | [[Image:PaybackSIGP220-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chow's bodyguard is shot by Porter. Note the lack of bulges in the frame.]] | ||
[[Image:PaybackSIGP220-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Outfit members at the end of the film tries to exit the car and shoot at Porter while armed with a SIG-Sauer P220. The actor playing this thug is Marc Vann, best known for playing Conrad Ecklie in ''[[CSI]]''. The one in the middle is John Glover, best known for playing Lionel Luthor in ''[[Smallville]]''.]] | [[Image:PaybackSIGP220-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Outfit members at the end of the film tries to exit the car and shoot at Porter while armed with a SIG-Sauer P220. The actor playing this thug is Marc Vann, best known for playing Conrad Ecklie in ''[[CSI]]''. The one in the middle is John Glover, best known for playing Lionel Luthor in ''[[Smallville]]''.]] | ||
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When Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) is attacked by the Triad gang members, two of them are seen firing [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3 "Grease Guns"]]. They clearly have external charging handles, helping to identify them as older M3s, not M3A1s. | When Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) is attacked by the Triad gang members, two of them are seen firing [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3 "Grease Guns"]]. They clearly have external charging handles, helping to identify them as older M3s, not M3A1s. | ||
[[Image:M3 Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP]] | [[Image:M3 Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP]] | ||
[[Image:PaybackM3GreaseGun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the | [[Image:PaybackM3GreaseGun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Triads fires his M3 "Grease Gun" at the taxi cab.]] | ||
[[Image:PaybackVP70-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chow's bodyguard (right) fires his M3.]] | |||
[[Image:PaybackM3GreaseGun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The two Triads unload their M3 "Grease Guns".]] | [[Image:PaybackM3GreaseGun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The two Triads unload their M3 "Grease Guns".]] | ||
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Payback is a 1999 thriller starring Mel Gibson as Porter, a thief who is double-crossed and left for dead by both his wife and his partner in crime. After surviving the incident, Porter decides to go after them and get the money he's owed. The film is an adaptation of Richard Stark's novel The Hunter, and the novel's main character was also adapted into the 1967 Lee Marvin film Point Blank, the 1992 Chow Yun-Fat film Full Contact as well as the 2013 Jason Statham film Parker.
Unsatisfied with the original tone of the film as well as the ending, Gibson decided to reshoot several sequences and add several characters to the film before its initial theatrical release in 1999. In 2006, Brian Helgeland, the original writer/director of the film, was allowed to go back and restore his original vision for the film, which subsequently was released on DVD as "Payback Straight Up: The Director's Cut". Most of the screencaps for this page are from the Director's Cut.
The following weapons were used in the film Payback:
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Revolvers
Smith & Wesson Model 29
Porter (Mel Gibson) uses a blued Smith & Wesson Model 29-2 4" with S&W factory combat grips (refinished by Peter Orr) for the majority of the film after buying it in a pawn shop. The weapon here can be identified as an actual large-caliber .44 Magnum N-frame Model 29 due to the heavy non-tapered 'bull' barrel and full-length cylinder (The cylinder fills the entire gap). A different .357 Magnum N-frame S&W revolver was also used in some parts, noted in the Model 28 section below, but the Model 29 was also definitely used. See the Discussion page for comparisons and additional information.
The use of the Model 29 in this film is likely a tribute to Point Blank, in which Lee Marvin used a nearly identical weapon. The Model 29 from this movie was sold when the Stembridge Gun Rentals inventory was auctioned off in 1999, and later re-sold by Little John's Auction Service in 2007.
Right: Porter examines the barrel. Note the smooth topstrap and bull barrel. Both consistent with a Model 29.
Smith & Wesson Model 28
Though Porter does purchase and use the above Model 29, the Smith & Wesson Model 28 is seen standing in for it in some places, sometimes being switched in the same scenes. It can be differentiated from the Model 29 due to its tapered barrel and (if examined closely) shorter .357 cylinder in some shots. The gun can be identified specifically as a Model 28 'Highway Patrolman' rather than the almost identical, but much finer Model 27 due to its slightly duller finish and smooth, non-checkered topstrap.
Colt Python
Lynn Porter (Deborah Kara Unger) uses a stainless Colt Python to shoot Porter (Mel Gibson) in the back after she and Val Resnick (Gregg Henry) decide to take the Triad's stolen money for themselves.
Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB
Porter (Mel Gibson) tries to draw a Smith & Wesson Model 10 Heavy Barrel with a 3" barrel (or maybe a Smith & Wesson Model 13) when he shot in the back by Lynn (Deborah Kara Unger).
Smith & Wesson Model 49
Val Resnick (Gregg Henry) carries Smith & Wesson Model 49 in an ankle holster.
Pistols
Beretta 92FS
Val Resnick (Gregg Henry) carries a Beretta 92FS pistol as his main sidearm, which Porter (Mel Gibson) takes from him and uses for the rest of the film.
Walther PPK
Pearl (Lucy Liu) carries a blued Walther PPK with pearl grips (possibly in relation with her name) as her sidearm. In the "Straight Up" version, an Outfit member is seen firing one at Porter during the final firefight as well.
SIG-Sauer P220
Chow's bodyguard (Jeff Imada) is seen firing a SIG-Sauer P220 through the floor of the van at Porter (Mel Gibson). Earlier in the film Porter is seen taking a SIG P220 from one of Carter's (William Devane) guards after knocking him out with a roll of pennies and then using it to kill him. They are noted as P220 models by their lack of double stack bulges on the frame, and their .45-sized muzzle diameters.
Glock 17
One of the Triad gang members is seen using a 2nd Generation Glock 17 to shoot at Porter (Mel Gibson) in the taxi cab. Later Porter is seen disposing of two Glock 17s after killing two thugs in the restroom - These Glocks appear to be earlier first generation models due to their lack of ridges in the grips.
Smith & Wesson 6906
Lynn's (Deborah Kara Unger) heroin dealer (Freddy Rodriguez) carries a Smith & Wesson 6906 with bobbed hammer installed, which Porter (Mel Gibson) disarms him of and holds on him as he interrogates him.
Heckler & Koch VP70
A Triad gang member fires a Heckler & Koch VP70 at Porter (Mel Gibson) in the taxi cab.
Walther PP
Val Resnick (Gregg Henry) carries a Walther PP as a secondary sidearm.
Heckler & Koch P7
One of Carter's (William Devane) bodyguards is seen armed with a Heckler & Koch P7 before Porter (Mel Gibson) knocks him out with a roll of pennies.
Ruger Mark II
An Outfit thug at the train station opens his lunchbox to reveal Ruger Mark II pistol with an integral suppressor.
Walther P38
Inside the pawn shop, a Walther P38 is seen hanging on the pistol rack, along with several unknown revolvers.
Shotguns
Remington 870 'Witness Protection'
Radioman (Kwame Amoaku) tries to save Arthur Stegman (David Paymer) with a Remington 870 'Witness Protection' shorty shotgun before being mowed down by the Triads. It can be noted as a Witness Protection variant due to the large rounded base of the sawed-down-looking pistol grip and small blade sight on the short barrel. It also appears to have a sling swivel at the base of the grip.
Submachine Guns
M3 "Grease Gun"
When Porter (Mel Gibson) is attacked by the Triad gang members, two of them are seen firing M3 "Grease Guns". They clearly have external charging handles, helping to identify them as older M3s, not M3A1s.
