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: No. We already have a revolver section within a revolver category page. Besides, as you yourself said, they don't fit the literal, technical definition of a muzzleloader. That they may be 'commonly included' as such elsewhere is irrelevant. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:55, 31 October 2020 (EDT) | : No. We already have a revolver section within a revolver category page. Besides, as you yourself said, they don't fit the literal, technical definition of a muzzleloader. That they may be 'commonly included' as such elsewhere is irrelevant. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:55, 31 October 2020 (EDT) | ||
:: I'm not really sure having a revolver category is a good argument. Muzzleloading rifles are in both the muzzleloader and the rifle categories, while muzzleloading shotguns are are in both the muzzleloader and the shotgun categories. --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 01:35, 1 November 2020 (EDT) | :: I'm not really sure having a revolver category is a good argument. Muzzleloading rifles are in both the muzzleloader and the rifle categories, while muzzleloading shotguns are are in both the muzzleloader and the shotgun categories. --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 01:35, 1 November 2020 (EDT) | ||
::: It's only part of my argument, and not the most important part. That said, in those cases the other firearms you mentioned are both the one (rifle/shotgun) AND the other (muzzleloader) so the redundancy in categorization has a rationale. Since again there aren't any percussion revolvers that load at the muzzle, they aren't 'muzzleloaders' and don't merit being in that category also, simple as that. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:26, 1 November 2020 (EST) | |||
::::Let's see reference books, like Ian Hogg 'Weapons of the Civil War' or Aleksandr Zhuk 'Firearms'. No reliable source that I have in my disposal call cap and ball revolvers "muzzleloaders", only "front loading" is used sometimes but it's another deal. Is there any good proof, not just an opinion, for using "muzzleloaders" to these guns? --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:12, 2 November 2020 (EST) | |||
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Percussion revolvers?
Should percussion revolvers be given a section in this category? They're commonly included in "muzzleloader" even if they, strictly speaking, do not load from the muzzle but the front of their cylinder. --VladVladson (talk) 18:02, 31 October 2020 (EDT)
- No. We already have a revolver section within a revolver category page. Besides, as you yourself said, they don't fit the literal, technical definition of a muzzleloader. That they may be 'commonly included' as such elsewhere is irrelevant. StanTheMan (talk) 19:55, 31 October 2020 (EDT)
- I'm not really sure having a revolver category is a good argument. Muzzleloading rifles are in both the muzzleloader and the rifle categories, while muzzleloading shotguns are are in both the muzzleloader and the shotgun categories. --VladVladson (talk) 01:35, 1 November 2020 (EDT)
- It's only part of my argument, and not the most important part. That said, in those cases the other firearms you mentioned are both the one (rifle/shotgun) AND the other (muzzleloader) so the redundancy in categorization has a rationale. Since again there aren't any percussion revolvers that load at the muzzle, they aren't 'muzzleloaders' and don't merit being in that category also, simple as that. StanTheMan (talk) 22:26, 1 November 2020 (EST)
- Let's see reference books, like Ian Hogg 'Weapons of the Civil War' or Aleksandr Zhuk 'Firearms'. No reliable source that I have in my disposal call cap and ball revolvers "muzzleloaders", only "front loading" is used sometimes but it's another deal. Is there any good proof, not just an opinion, for using "muzzleloaders" to these guns? --Greg-Z (talk) 01:12, 2 November 2020 (EST)
- It's only part of my argument, and not the most important part. That said, in those cases the other firearms you mentioned are both the one (rifle/shotgun) AND the other (muzzleloader) so the redundancy in categorization has a rationale. Since again there aren't any percussion revolvers that load at the muzzle, they aren't 'muzzleloaders' and don't merit being in that category also, simple as that. StanTheMan (talk) 22:26, 1 November 2020 (EST)
- I'm not really sure having a revolver category is a good argument. Muzzleloading rifles are in both the muzzleloader and the rifle categories, while muzzleloading shotguns are are in both the muzzleloader and the shotgun categories. --VladVladson (talk) 01:35, 1 November 2020 (EDT)