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[[File:North-and-South-Book-I-M1841Mississippi-10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Next generation of West Point cadets march with M1841 muskets.]]
[[File:North-and-South-Book-I-M1841Mississippi-10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Next generation of West Point cadets march with M1841 muskets.]]


== Hi ==
= Discussion =


The most of revolvers, seems, is converted to fire the mettalic cartridges. Check this. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:23, 14 March 2020 (EDT)
The most of revolvers, seems, is converted to fire the mettalic cartridges. Check this. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:23, 14 March 2020 (EDT)
:Converted revolvers have loading gates. Let's see.
First, Colt Navy - no visible loading gate, except for the revolver of cavalry officer that is definitly not an original Colt (funny, this gun best matches Denix model, but I'm not sure that Denix already produced in mid-80s). More, in the scene of the duel the process of loading of Navy shows this gun as a cap and ball, as the bullet is inserted from the front of the cylinder.
Second, Colt Walker - just no view of this gun that shows the right side.
Third, Colt Dragoon - yes, a promo image shows possible loading gate. The screenshots again doesn't show the right side.
Fourth, Remington 1858 - no visible loading gate.
So, as for me, only Dragoon may be a cartridge version, I'll add it on page. It's worth noting that all handguns produce only smoke and very little muzzle flame, so they use pyrotechnical charges. So cap and ball revolvers could be used with ease, as they didn't fire, only imitated firing. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 09:33, 14 March 2020 (EDT)
:Got it. The identification is not in loading gate but in the lack of slots for percussion caps. Fixed the issue, thanks. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:12, 14 March 2020 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 17:12, 14 March 2020

Special Thanks

The idea and screenshots are provided by AVSniff, forum.guns.ru.--Greg-Z (talk) 07:44, 14 March 2020 (EDT)

Additional Images

Colt 1851 Navy

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Garrison Grady fires his Colt during the raid on Harper's Ferry.
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Forbes LaMotte's companion Preston Smith (David Weaver) loads the revolvers for the duel.
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Charles Main (Lewis Smith) confiscates Justin LaMotte's revolver under the threat of a shotgun before letting him in.

Percussion Dueling Pistol

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Charles Main trains in shooting before the duel under the mentorship of his elder cousin Orry Main.
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Charles' second Orry Main loads a pistol.
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Whitney Smith with a pistol.
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Orry Main (Patrick Swayze) holds a percussion dueling pistol on a promotional image.

Sharps 1863 Carbine

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Orderly (Drew Deighan) and other abolitionists of Brown's group with Sharps carbines.
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A close view of the barrel of Grady's carbine.
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Grady fires at soldiers.
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Soldiers, firing at Brown's men, are also armed with Sharps carbines (in reality it was a company of U.S. Marines that defeated Brown).
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Cavalrymen from northern states hold Sharps carbines during the events in Camp Cooper.

M1841 Mississippi Musket

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Several muskets are seen at the left.
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Cadets stand in formation with their muskets.
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George McClellan holds a musket.
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Next generation of West Point cadets march with M1841 muskets.

Discussion

The most of revolvers, seems, is converted to fire the mettalic cartridges. Check this. --Slon95 (talk) 08:23, 14 March 2020 (EDT)

Converted revolvers have loading gates. Let's see.

First, Colt Navy - no visible loading gate, except for the revolver of cavalry officer that is definitly not an original Colt (funny, this gun best matches Denix model, but I'm not sure that Denix already produced in mid-80s). More, in the scene of the duel the process of loading of Navy shows this gun as a cap and ball, as the bullet is inserted from the front of the cylinder.

Second, Colt Walker - just no view of this gun that shows the right side.

Third, Colt Dragoon - yes, a promo image shows possible loading gate. The screenshots again doesn't show the right side.

Fourth, Remington 1858 - no visible loading gate.

So, as for me, only Dragoon may be a cartridge version, I'll add it on page. It's worth noting that all handguns produce only smoke and very little muzzle flame, so they use pyrotechnical charges. So cap and ball revolvers could be used with ease, as they didn't fire, only imitated firing. --Greg-Z (talk) 09:33, 14 March 2020 (EDT)

Got it. The identification is not in loading gate but in the lack of slots for percussion caps. Fixed the issue, thanks. --Greg-Z (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2020 (EDT)