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:::While Russian infantry musket was really based on French design, Russian cavalry carbines of Napoleonic era were quite different from French ones: [http://allmuseum.webcomfort.ru/public/upload/items/508/1_big.png Russian Hussar carbine M1798], as an example. They were short muskets rather than real carbines. So the screen carbine isn't a Russian pattern (at least not of Napoleonic era). --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:45, 19 January 2020 (EST) | :::While Russian infantry musket was really based on French design, Russian cavalry carbines of Napoleonic era were quite different from French ones: [http://allmuseum.webcomfort.ru/public/upload/items/508/1_big.png Russian Hussar carbine M1798], as an example. They were short muskets rather than real carbines. So the screen carbine isn't a Russian pattern (at least not of Napoleonic era). --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:45, 19 January 2020 (EST) | ||
::::I had changes the Carbine ID and add gun image for the French looking pistol. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (EST) | ::::I had changes the Carbine ID and add gun image for the French looking pistol. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (EST) | ||
It could also be French 1777 carbine. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 11:15, 20 January 2020 (EST) | It could also be French 1777 or 1786 carbine. This [https://collegehillarsenal.com/Russian-Model-1809-Musketoon-Extremley-Rare Russian M1809 carbine] also looks very similar. And btw here is an [https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/a-1798-model-hussars-carbine-101-c-e944af1898 Austrian M1798 carbine] just for the record. Now my bet is one some obscure replica of the Russian carbine, Pyramid Silent maybe you can help with searching for Russian replica manufacturers? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 11:15, 20 January 2020 (EST) | ||
:I'm not absolutely sure, but, as far, as I known, no had one Russian based manufactyres of the firearm replicas, so, all antique Russian weapons produced by non-Russian companies, like Denix etc. But, I'm not sure, possible, some small size Russian based manufactures exist. However, I know, that several combanies (like Kalashnkov Concern) priduced some replicas of modern Russian guns (Kalashnikov rifles, grenades etc.). [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:02, 20 January 2020 (EST) | |||
:These replicas is could very well have been made by the forces of some film studio. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 10:15, 4 January 2021 (EST) | |||
Anywhere, I guess, that Denix-made replicas of Antique firearms, produced in large numbers, are much more availible for Russian film makers, then domestic made replicas, that much less known, and, produced in rather small numbers. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 14:27, 20 January 2020 (EST) | |||
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The cavalry carbine seems to be a Denix replica (such carbine can be seen here together with other Denix Napoleonic era guns). Maybe some other guns in the movie are also Denix replicas (see catalogue for 16th-19th century guns). --Greg-Z (talk) 12:22, 19 January 2020 (EST)
- Yeah, it looks like they, as usual, use a lot of denix stuff but the carbine in the movie looks different. The movie one has s shorter wooden handguard, different trigger guard and lacks a barrel hoop in the middle and its barrel clamp lacks an opening for a ramrod, this makes is similar to the Austrian pistol clamp. While the denix carbine has s longer handguard, has a barrel hoop and an opening for a ramrod on the clamp. I've searched a lot and didn't manage to find a carbine with that particular clamp but If anyone wants to search more I recommend to look for Russian or Austrian flintlock carbines as the Russians copied French designs and the clamp might hint Austrian though Austrian carbines appear to be of entirely different design. --Nanomat (talk) 13:21, 19 January 2020 (EST)
- While Russian infantry musket was really based on French design, Russian cavalry carbines of Napoleonic era were quite different from French ones: Russian Hussar carbine M1798, as an example. They were short muskets rather than real carbines. So the screen carbine isn't a Russian pattern (at least not of Napoleonic era). --Greg-Z (talk) 13:45, 19 January 2020 (EST)
- I had changes the Carbine ID and add gun image for the French looking pistol. Pyramid Silent (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (EST)
- While Russian infantry musket was really based on French design, Russian cavalry carbines of Napoleonic era were quite different from French ones: Russian Hussar carbine M1798, as an example. They were short muskets rather than real carbines. So the screen carbine isn't a Russian pattern (at least not of Napoleonic era). --Greg-Z (talk) 13:45, 19 January 2020 (EST)
- Yeah, it looks like they, as usual, use a lot of denix stuff but the carbine in the movie looks different. The movie one has s shorter wooden handguard, different trigger guard and lacks a barrel hoop in the middle and its barrel clamp lacks an opening for a ramrod, this makes is similar to the Austrian pistol clamp. While the denix carbine has s longer handguard, has a barrel hoop and an opening for a ramrod on the clamp. I've searched a lot and didn't manage to find a carbine with that particular clamp but If anyone wants to search more I recommend to look for Russian or Austrian flintlock carbines as the Russians copied French designs and the clamp might hint Austrian though Austrian carbines appear to be of entirely different design. --Nanomat (talk) 13:21, 19 January 2020 (EST)
It could also be French 1777 or 1786 carbine. This Russian M1809 carbine also looks very similar. And btw here is an Austrian M1798 carbine just for the record. Now my bet is one some obscure replica of the Russian carbine, Pyramid Silent maybe you can help with searching for Russian replica manufacturers? --Nanomat (talk) 11:15, 20 January 2020 (EST)
- I'm not absolutely sure, but, as far, as I known, no had one Russian based manufactyres of the firearm replicas, so, all antique Russian weapons produced by non-Russian companies, like Denix etc. But, I'm not sure, possible, some small size Russian based manufactures exist. However, I know, that several combanies (like Kalashnkov Concern) priduced some replicas of modern Russian guns (Kalashnikov rifles, grenades etc.). Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:02, 20 January 2020 (EST)
- These replicas is could very well have been made by the forces of some film studio. --Slon95 (talk) 10:15, 4 January 2021 (EST)
Anywhere, I guess, that Denix-made replicas of Antique firearms, produced in large numbers, are much more availible for Russian film makers, then domestic made replicas, that much less known, and, produced in rather small numbers. Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:27, 20 January 2020 (EST)