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:I would also add that the AA gun on three first screenshots in S-60 AA cannon section is too large for 57mm gun and has a different muzzle brake. The barrel looks similar to a [[85mm Air Defense Gun M1939 (52-K)]] but other parts are drawn not very correct. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:35, 27 December 2019 (EST)
:I would also add that the AA gun on three first screenshots in S-60 AA cannon section is too large for 57mm gun and has a different muzzle brake. The barrel looks similar to a [[85mm Air Defense Gun M1939 (52-K)]] but other parts are drawn not very correct. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:35, 27 December 2019 (EST)
==M240 Machine Gun==
Twin [[M240 Machine Gun]] is seen mounted on the Shin's combat plane.
[[Image:M240d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240D vehicle and aircraft-mount version with spade grips - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 01 machine gun 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shin's machine gun...]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 01 machine gun 2 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...is fired at the "Sky Blue - Desert Wings"  (Ep. 01).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 01 machine gun 2 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The another view of the Shin's weapon at the same episode.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 02 machine gun 2 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good view of the Shin's machine gun at the "Boris - Tombstone of the Setting Sun" (Ep. 02).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 03 machine gun 2 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shin shot down enemy combat plane at the "Shin & Makoto - Finder of a Blue Sky" (Ep. 03).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 03 machine gun 2 6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shin's combat plane is seen at the a few seconds later.]]
I don't know where you're getting these IDs. F-8, so also a Colt Mk 12. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:47, 27 December 2019 (EST)
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 05 machine gun 10 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shin (for what ever reasons, his combat plane changes it's color to green) fires the machine gun during the battle at the "Lip Stick - Unyielding Rouge" (Ep. 05).]]
Because it's a different plane, with different guns. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:06, 27 December 2019 (EST)
==Parabellum MG14==
Rebel's combat planes is equipped with the [[Parabellum MG14]] machine guns.
[[Image:Parabellum-mg14.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Parabellum MG14 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 01 oppenning 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel aims...]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 01 oppenning 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and fires...]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 01 oppenning 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...the machine gun during the oppening of the "Sky Blue - Desert Wings" (Ep. 01).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 01 machine gun 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel's combat plane...]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 01 machine gun 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...is seen blasting the machine gun at the "Sky Blue - Desert Wings" (Ep. 01).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 01 machine gun 3 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another rebel fires the machine gun at the same episode.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 03 machine gun 6 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel's combat plane in action...]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 03 machine gun 6 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...during the battle at the "Shin & Makoto - Finder of a Blue Sky" (Ep. 03).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 05 machine gun 6 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel attacks mercenaries at the "Lip Stick - Unyielding Rouge" (Ep. 05).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 05 machine gun 6 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close view of the same scene.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 05 machine gun 6 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The view of the same guns from the other side.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 03 machine gun 2 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shin shot down enemy combat plane at the "Shin & Makoto - Finder of a Blue Sky" (Ep. 03).]]
This is a MiG-17, so the armament is two NR-23 cannons and an N-37 cannon. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:47, 27 December 2019 (EST)
==Parabellum MG17==
Several reabel's combat planes is seen with the mounted [[Parabellum MG17]] machine guns.
[[Image:Parabellum MG17.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Parabellum MG17 aircraft machine Gun - 7.92 x 57mm]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 04 machine gun 7 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel blastes the machine gun at the "Desert - Skies of Betrayal" (Ep. 04).]]
==GSh-30-1==
Numerous rebel's combat planes is seenequipped with the [[GSh-30-1]] machine guns.
[[Image:GSH30 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 with ammo belt - 30x165mm]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 04 machine gun 8 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Machine gun which is seen at the bottom is...]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 04 machine gun 8 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...is fires at the "Desert - Skies of Betrayal" (Ep. 04).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 04 machine gun 8 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up...]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 04 machine gun 8 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...of the firing machine gun at the same episode.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 07 machine gun 6 6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel a second before using his weapons at the "Hungry Boy - Sweet Soldier" (Ep. 07).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 09 machine gun 8 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Machine gun...]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 09 machine gun 8 6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...is seen in action at the "Canyon - Tightrope at the Speed of Sound" (Ep. 09).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 11 machine gun 8 7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel fires the machine gun at the "Truth - Truth of the Sand" (Ep. 11).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 11 machine gun 8 8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another rebel (at the background) pursing Shin at the same episode.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 07 machine gun 6 7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel fires the machine gun at the "Hungry Boy - Sweet Soldier" (Ep. 07).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 07 machine gun 6 8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another rebels uses their armament at the same episode.]]
These are MiG-21s, so GSh-23s. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:47, 27 December 2019 (EST)
== Removed ==
Navy F-4s didn't have internal guns or carry gun pods. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:53, 27 December 2019 (EST)
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 10 machine gun 16 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the prologue from Vietnam War, the M61 Vulcan is seen mounted on the F-4, operated by the Patrick Reed at the at the "Fire Ball - Contrails of Destiny" (Ep. 10).]]
==General Dynamics GAU-17/A==
Both Kitori and Shin uses [[General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] machine guns, mounted on their combat plane.
[[File:Osprey RCWS machine gun and camera.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GAU-17/A mounted in Osprey V-22 VTOL fuselage via Remote Guardian System - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 07 machine gun 11 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The airbase crew loaded Shin's machine gun at the "Hungry Boy - Sweet Soldier" (Ep. 07).]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 07 machine gun 11 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A more close view of the same scene.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 07 machine gun 11 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shin's six-barreled machine gun is partly seen a few minutes later.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 07 machine gun 11 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kitori fires a few seconds later.]]
[[Image:Area 88 Ep 09 machine gun 15 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kitori's armament in action at the "Canyon - Tightrope at the Speed of Sound" (Ep. 09).]]
These appear to be different gun pods, as one is single-barreled while others are multi-barrelled. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 00:30, 2 January 2020 (EST)

Latest revision as of 05:30, 2 January 2020

The aircraft armament is all wrong. It's going to take some time to sort through this. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:13, 27 December 2019 (EST)

Shipunov 2A42

The Shipunov 2A42 is mounted on the Greg Gates' combat plane.

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Shipunov 2A42 automatic cannon - 30x165mm
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The Shipunov is seen during the flight at the "Shin & Makoto - Finder of a Blue Sky" (Ep. 03).
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The another view of the shipunov at the "Canyon - Tightrope at the Speed of Sound" (Ep. 09).
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Shipunov is seen at the left at the "Canyon - Tightrope at the Speed of Sound" (Ep. 09).
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The barrel of the Shipunov is partly seen on the photo at the "Truth - Truth of the Sand" (Ep. 11).

The A-4 Skyhawk uses either the Colt Mk 12 cannon or ADEN cannon. It depends on the variant or operator. Many air forces didn't want the Colt Mk 12. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)

Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30K

The combat palne of the female mercenary Kitori Palvanaff was equipped with the Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30K. Japanese mercenary, named Shin Kazama also uses the similar machine gun on his combat plane.

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Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-2 30mm automatic cannon with unfired rounds - 30x165mm
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Kitori fires the machine gun during the battle at the "Lip Stick - Unyielding Rouge" (Ep. 05).
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Kitori fires the machine gun during the battle at the "Lip Stick - Unyielding Rouge" (Ep. 05).
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The muzzle is see a second later at the "Lip Stick - Unyielding Rouge" (Ep. 05).
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The another view of the same scene.
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Kitori examinates the power of the machine gun at the "Cross Over - Intersection of Solitude" (Ep. 06).
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The another view of the same scene.
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The slightly other view of Kitori's machine gun at the "Cross Over - Intersection of Solitude" (Ep. 06).

This a Mirage F1, so it's a DEFA cannon. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)

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Shin Kazama about to fire the machine gun at the "Sand Glass - Sand's Bullet" (Ep. 08).
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Shin Kazama fires his machine gun during the battle at the "Canyon - Tightrope at the Speed of Sound" (Ep. 09).
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The another view of the same scene.
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Kitori fires the machine gun during the battle at the "Truth - Truth of the Sand" (Ep. 11).
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Shin fires the machine gun at the "Truth - Truth of the Sand" (Ep. 11).
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The another view of the Shin's machine gun at the same scene.
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Kitori uses her weapon at the "Lock On - Wings of the Wind" (Ep. 12).

This appears to be an F-5/F-20, so it's a Pontiac M39. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)

Browning M2

Several mercenaries, include Kim Aba uses combat planes, which is equipped with the Browning M2 machine guns.

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Browning M2HB - .50 BMG
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Numerous machine guns can be seen at the "Boris - Tombstone of the Setting Sun" (Ep. 02).
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Kim's machine gun is partly seen at the "Hungry Boy - Sweet Soldier" (Ep. 07).

These are Harriers. It's hard to tell the variant, but it's either an ADEN or General Dynamics GAU-12/U. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)

Breda-SAFAT machine gun

The Breda-SAFAT machine gun is mounted on the combat plane of the American mercenary, named Mickey Simon.

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Breda-SAFAT machine gun - 12.7x81mmSR
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Mickey Simon fires the machine gun during the battle at the "Fire Ball - Contrails of Destiny" (Ep. 10).

This appears to be an F-14, so M61 Vulcan. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)

General Dynamics M197 Vulcan

During the prologue from Vietnam War, the General Dynamics M197 Vulcan is used by the Patrick Reed at the at the "Fire Ball - Contrails of Destiny" (Ep. 10).

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General Dynamics M197 Vulcan - 20x102mm
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The machine gun is seen mounted on the left wing of the Patrick's combat plane.

F-4, so it's an M61 Vulcan. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)


I would also add that the AA gun on three first screenshots in S-60 AA cannon section is too large for 57mm gun and has a different muzzle brake. The barrel looks similar to a 85mm Air Defense Gun M1939 (52-K) but other parts are drawn not very correct. --Greg-Z (talk) 14:35, 27 December 2019 (EST)

M240 Machine Gun

Twin M240 Machine Gun is seen mounted on the Shin's combat plane.

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M240D vehicle and aircraft-mount version with spade grips - 7.62x51mm NATO.
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Shin's machine gun...
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...is fired at the "Sky Blue - Desert Wings" (Ep. 01).
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The another view of the Shin's weapon at the same episode.
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A good view of the Shin's machine gun at the "Boris - Tombstone of the Setting Sun" (Ep. 02).
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Shin shot down enemy combat plane at the "Shin & Makoto - Finder of a Blue Sky" (Ep. 03).
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Shin's combat plane is seen at the a few seconds later.

I don't know where you're getting these IDs. F-8, so also a Colt Mk 12. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:47, 27 December 2019 (EST)

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Shin (for what ever reasons, his combat plane changes it's color to green) fires the machine gun during the battle at the "Lip Stick - Unyielding Rouge" (Ep. 05).

Because it's a different plane, with different guns. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:06, 27 December 2019 (EST)

Parabellum MG14

Rebel's combat planes is equipped with the Parabellum MG14 machine guns.

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Parabellum MG14 - 7.92x57mm Mauser
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Rebel aims...
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...and fires...
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...the machine gun during the oppening of the "Sky Blue - Desert Wings" (Ep. 01).
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Rebel's combat plane...
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...is seen blasting the machine gun at the "Sky Blue - Desert Wings" (Ep. 01).
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Another rebel fires the machine gun at the same episode.
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Rebel's combat plane in action...
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...during the battle at the "Shin & Makoto - Finder of a Blue Sky" (Ep. 03).
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Rebel attacks mercenaries at the "Lip Stick - Unyielding Rouge" (Ep. 05).
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A close view of the same scene.
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The view of the same guns from the other side.
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Shin shot down enemy combat plane at the "Shin & Makoto - Finder of a Blue Sky" (Ep. 03).

This is a MiG-17, so the armament is two NR-23 cannons and an N-37 cannon. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:47, 27 December 2019 (EST)

Parabellum MG17

Several reabel's combat planes is seen with the mounted Parabellum MG17 machine guns.

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Parabellum MG17 aircraft machine Gun - 7.92 x 57mm
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Rebel blastes the machine gun at the "Desert - Skies of Betrayal" (Ep. 04).

GSh-30-1

Numerous rebel's combat planes is seenequipped with the GSh-30-1 machine guns.

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Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 with ammo belt - 30x165mm
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Machine gun which is seen at the bottom is...
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...is fires at the "Desert - Skies of Betrayal" (Ep. 04).
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A close up...
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...of the firing machine gun at the same episode.
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Rebel a second before using his weapons at the "Hungry Boy - Sweet Soldier" (Ep. 07).
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Machine gun...
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...is seen in action at the "Canyon - Tightrope at the Speed of Sound" (Ep. 09).
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Rebel fires the machine gun at the "Truth - Truth of the Sand" (Ep. 11).
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Another rebel (at the background) pursing Shin at the same episode.
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Rebel fires the machine gun at the "Hungry Boy - Sweet Soldier" (Ep. 07).
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Another rebels uses their armament at the same episode.

These are MiG-21s, so GSh-23s. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:47, 27 December 2019 (EST)

Removed

Navy F-4s didn't have internal guns or carry gun pods. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:53, 27 December 2019 (EST)

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During the prologue from Vietnam War, the M61 Vulcan is seen mounted on the F-4, operated by the Patrick Reed at the at the "Fire Ball - Contrails of Destiny" (Ep. 10).

General Dynamics GAU-17/A

Both Kitori and Shin uses General Dynamics GAU-17/A machine guns, mounted on their combat plane.

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GAU-17/A mounted in Osprey V-22 VTOL fuselage via Remote Guardian System - 7.62x51mm NATO.
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The airbase crew loaded Shin's machine gun at the "Hungry Boy - Sweet Soldier" (Ep. 07).
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A more close view of the same scene.
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Shin's six-barreled machine gun is partly seen a few minutes later.
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Kitori fires a few seconds later.
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Kitori's armament in action at the "Canyon - Tightrope at the Speed of Sound" (Ep. 09).

These appear to be different gun pods, as one is single-barreled while others are multi-barrelled. --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:30, 2 January 2020 (EST)