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== Contradictory sources == | == Contradictory sources == | ||
So the info right now is primarily based on the Modern Firearms page on the [https://modernfirearms.net/en/grenade-launchers/russia-grenade-launchers/bs-1-tishina-eng/ BS-1 Tishina]. However, when looking over to the Russian Wikipedia, I realized that the Modern Firearms page contradicts directly with the statements on the Russian Wikipedia. I'm going to note some of the discrepancies between these sources, using [http://weaponland.ru/load/granatomet_bs_1_rga_86_tishina_bs_1m_6s1_kanarejka/61-1-0-238 this page from weaponland.ru] as the reference: | So the info right now is primarily based on the Modern Firearms page on the [https://modernfirearms.net/en/grenade-launchers/russia-grenade-launchers/bs-1-tishina-eng/ BS-1 Tishina]. However, when looking over to the Russian Wikipedia, I realized that the Modern Firearms page contradicts directly with the statements on the Russian Wikipedia. I'm going to note some of the discrepancies between these sources, using [http://weaponland.ru/load/granatomet_bs_1_rga_86_tishina_bs_1m_6s1_kanarejka/61-1-0-238 this page from weaponland.ru] (cited on one of the Wikipedia pages) as the reference: | ||
* On the Modern Firearms page, "Tishina" (silence) is the nickname for the weapon system, and refers to both iterations of the rifle + grenade launcher systems. On Weaponland.ru, Tishina refers to the first iteration of the weapon system, the AKMS + grenade launcher version. | * On the Modern Firearms page, "Tishina" (silence) is the nickname for the weapon system, and refers to both iterations of the rifle + grenade launcher systems. On Weaponland.ru, Tishina refers to the first iteration of the weapon system, the AKMS + grenade launcher version. | ||
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* On weaponland.ru, the first version of the grenade launcher is also named "RGA-86" (РГА-86). No corresponding name appears on Modernfirearms. | * On weaponland.ru, the first version of the grenade launcher is also named "RGA-86" (РГА-86). No corresponding name appears on Modernfirearms. | ||
* On weaponland.ru, the second iteration of the system (AKS-74U system) is designated "6S1" (6С1). No corresponding name appears on Modernfirearms. | * On weaponland.ru, the second iteration of the system (AKS-74U system) is designated "6S1" (6С1). No corresponding name appears on Modernfirearms. | ||
* Lastly, weaponland.ru calls the armor-piercing incendiary grenade VOG-T, while Modernfirearms calls it AP-I. | * Lastly, weaponland.ru calls the 30mm armor-piercing incendiary grenade VOG-T, while Modernfirearms calls it AP-I. Neither name appears on the other source. | ||
Can any Russian users help and clear up the confusion? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 14:12, 8 January 2019 (EST) | Can any Russian users help and clear up the confusion? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 14:12, 8 January 2019 (EST) | ||
:For the last one AP-I is just the English name of that type of round, that's not necessarily a contradiction. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:03, 8 January 2019 (EST) | |||
I wanna add that the [https://modernfirearms.net/ru/granatomety/rossija-granatomety/bs-1-tishina/ Russian version of the Modern Firearms page] contradicts the English version too, and seems to be in line with Weaponland.ru. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:50, 8 January 2019 (EST) | |||
So here is [http://master-gun.com/pdfs/51.pdf an old Russian magazine]. The text is all garbled when I copy it so I can't google translate it, but I think that the publication supports weaponland.ru. I'm thinking that it is more likely than not that the grenade launcher is actually named BS-1. As for what GSN-19 stands for, according to [http://www.dogswar.ru/strelkovoe-oryjie/granatomety/3949-besshymnye-granatome.html dogswar.ru], GSN-19 is one of the alternate names for the AKMS + grenade launcher system. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 03:16, 13 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:"Tishina - AKMS w/ PBS-1 & grenade launcher, Kanareyka - AKSB74U w/ PBS-4 & grenade launcher". --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:57, 14 January 2019 (EST) | |||
::The page must be renamed to "BS-1". --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:29, 23 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:Apparently BS-1 designation is also incorrect. ModernFirearms, weaponland and Russian Wikipedia all updated the designation to 6G16 for the Tishina variant, and it seems to check out based on what is presented [https://gunsforum.com/topic/2424-obzor-strelkovo-granatometnyh-kompleksov-tishina-i-kanareyka-razrabotannyh-npo-tsniitochmash/ here]. These pages also list the 6G17 designation for the Kanarejka version. Forum members speculate that the BS1 designation could be the result of the same mistake that resulted in the BG15 designation for the GP-25 aka misreading 6 as Б. [[User:Lunar Watcher|Lunar Watcher]] ([[User talk:Lunar Watcher|talk]]) 08:17, 3 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 08:18, 3 September 2023
Contradictory sources
So the info right now is primarily based on the Modern Firearms page on the BS-1 Tishina. However, when looking over to the Russian Wikipedia, I realized that the Modern Firearms page contradicts directly with the statements on the Russian Wikipedia. I'm going to note some of the discrepancies between these sources, using this page from weaponland.ru (cited on one of the Wikipedia pages) as the reference:
- On the Modern Firearms page, "Tishina" (silence) is the nickname for the weapon system, and refers to both iterations of the rifle + grenade launcher systems. On Weaponland.ru, Tishina refers to the first iteration of the weapon system, the AKMS + grenade launcher version.
- On Modernfirearms, "Kanarejka" (Canary) is the nickname for the grenade launcher. On weaponland.ru, "Kanarejka" is the nickname for the second iteration of the rifle + grenade launcher system, i.e. AKS-74U + grenade launcher.
- On Modernfirearms, BS-1 is the designation for both iterations of the weapon systems. On weaponland.ru, BS-1 is the designation for the grenade launcher, and specifically the first 7.62mm blank version; the second 5.45mm blank version is called BS-1M.
- On Modernfirearms, the grenade launcher is named GSN-19. The name GSN-19 does not appear on weaponland.ru.
- On weaponland.ru, the first version of the grenade launcher is also named "RGA-86" (РГА-86). No corresponding name appears on Modernfirearms.
- On weaponland.ru, the second iteration of the system (AKS-74U system) is designated "6S1" (6С1). No corresponding name appears on Modernfirearms.
- Lastly, weaponland.ru calls the 30mm armor-piercing incendiary grenade VOG-T, while Modernfirearms calls it AP-I. Neither name appears on the other source.
Can any Russian users help and clear up the confusion? --Wuzh (talk) 14:12, 8 January 2019 (EST)
- For the last one AP-I is just the English name of that type of round, that's not necessarily a contradiction. Evil Tim (talk) 17:03, 8 January 2019 (EST)
I wanna add that the Russian version of the Modern Firearms page contradicts the English version too, and seems to be in line with Weaponland.ru. --Wuzh (talk) 18:50, 8 January 2019 (EST)
So here is an old Russian magazine. The text is all garbled when I copy it so I can't google translate it, but I think that the publication supports weaponland.ru. I'm thinking that it is more likely than not that the grenade launcher is actually named BS-1. As for what GSN-19 stands for, according to dogswar.ru, GSN-19 is one of the alternate names for the AKMS + grenade launcher system. --Wuzh (talk) 03:16, 13 January 2019 (EST)
- "Tishina - AKMS w/ PBS-1 & grenade launcher, Kanareyka - AKSB74U w/ PBS-4 & grenade launcher". --Slon95 (talk) 12:57, 14 January 2019 (EST)
- Apparently BS-1 designation is also incorrect. ModernFirearms, weaponland and Russian Wikipedia all updated the designation to 6G16 for the Tishina variant, and it seems to check out based on what is presented here. These pages also list the 6G17 designation for the Kanarejka version. Forum members speculate that the BS1 designation could be the result of the same mistake that resulted in the BG15 designation for the GP-25 aka misreading 6 as Б. Lunar Watcher (talk) 08:17, 3 September 2023 (UTC)