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= | =Additional Variants= | ||
[[ | [[File:Pkms 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM mounted on a tripod - 7.62x54mmR]] | ||
[[ | [[File:PKasMG34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[MG34]] (top) and PK modified to resemble an MG34 (bottom).]] | ||
[[ | [[File:BHI-SOPMOD-PKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM modified with Blackheart International accessory kit - 7.62x54mmR]] | ||
[[File:PKTMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKTM - 7. | [[File:PKTMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKTM - 7.62x54mmR. A modified version of PKT, put into service in 1998.]] | ||
[[ | [[File:PKB-Image.jpg|thumb|500px|none|PKB Machine Gun with spade grips - 7.62x54mmR]] | ||
[[File:North Korean PK style Belt Fed Machine Gun.jpg| | [[File:PKP Pecheneg-SP.jpg|thumb|500px|none|PKP Pecheneg-SP - 7.62x54mmR]] | ||
[[File:North Korean PK style Belt Fed Machine Gun.jpg|500px|thumb|none|left|North Korean manufactured PK-style belt fed machine gun in the inventory of South African company Hire Arms. The weapon was found in Zimbabwe without a stock, barrel or bi-pod, and was restored by Hire Arms.]] | |||
[[File:UKM-2000Z.jpg|thumb|none|500px|UKM-2000Z - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | |||
[[File:AO-64.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AO-64 - 6x49mm]] | |||
[[File:Chinese-type-80-pkm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Type 80 - 7.62x54mmR. The Type 80 is a Chinese clone of the PKM; its exact manufacturer is unknown. It was adopted in limited numbers by the PLA, and is primarily manufactured for export. It also has a vehicle-mounted variant known as the Type 86, functionally a clone of the PKT.]] | |||
[[File:Norinco CSLM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CS/LM4 - 7.62x51mm NATO. The CS/LM4, also known as the CF06, is a 7.62x51mm NATO version of the Type 80 manufactured by Chongqing Changfeng Machinery for export.]] | |||
[[File:PKM-Zenitco.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM with Zenitco furniture - 7.62x54mmR]] | |||
[[File:Pecheneg-SP2014VitalyKuzmin.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKP Pecheneg-SP 6P69 - 7.62x54mmR]] | |||
===Airsoft Variants=== | ===Airsoft Variants=== | ||
[[File:A&K PKM GPMG black.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A&K PKM AEG with black synthetic furniture]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
==PKB Variant with Spade Grips== | ==PKB Variant with Spade Grips== | ||
I was wondering if anyone on the Internet Movie Firearms Database community has any photos of this rarer variant. It is apparently the same type of weapon used by the former Soviet military and now Russian and other post-Soviet states in their armored vehicles. What makes it unique from the infantry or tank versions is that the PKB machine gun featured spade grips and the thumb button of older machine guns instead of the stock and pistol grip layout. Was at least used since the Soviet-Afghan War of 1979 - 1989 as helicopter weaponry (door and window armament for the Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopter). Despite frequent use I have not found many details in books or on the web on this variant. [[User:Maphisto86|Maphisto86]] ([[User talk:Maphisto86|talk]]) 00:32, 19 August 2013 (EDT) | I was wondering if anyone on the Internet Movie Firearms Database community has any photos of this rarer variant. It is apparently the same type of weapon used by the former Soviet military and now Russian and other post-Soviet states in their armored vehicles. What makes it unique from the infantry or tank versions is that the PKB machine gun featured spade grips and the thumb button of older machine guns instead of the stock and pistol grip layout. Was at least used since the Soviet-Afghan War of 1979 - 1989 as helicopter weaponry (door and window armament for the Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopter). Despite frequent use I have not found many details in books or on the web on this variant. [[User:Maphisto86|Maphisto86]] ([[User talk:Maphisto86|talk]]) 00:32, 19 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
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Is good that I known how to read Cyrulica. Thank you. Means Infantry in English :)--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 07:59, 26 January 2017 (EST) | Is good that I known how to read Cyrulica. Thank you. Means Infantry in English :)--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 07:59, 26 January 2017 (EST) | ||
: Polumelet Cyrulica, yeah. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 17:24, 31 July 2019 (EDT) | |||
== UKM-2013 Thing == | == UKM-2013 Thing == | ||
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:Do you have an image of what you think the UKM-2013 is then? As far as I can tell, the variant currently on the page listed as the UKM-2013 is one, as shown in [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/09/03/polish-modernised-ukm-2013-machine-gun/ this article]. I thought that [http://www.defence24.com/252733,mspo-2015-modernized-ukm-2000p-for-the-polish-army this variant] was the UKM-2015/UKM-2000M which has a different stock and rail system, and that the UKM-2000Z was [http://tillgun.ucoz.ru/pulemety/UKM2000/UKM-2000-779-.jpg this] earlier prototype that didn't have a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:42, 19 July 2017 (EDT) | :Do you have an image of what you think the UKM-2013 is then? As far as I can tell, the variant currently on the page listed as the UKM-2013 is one, as shown in [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/09/03/polish-modernised-ukm-2013-machine-gun/ this article]. I thought that [http://www.defence24.com/252733,mspo-2015-modernized-ukm-2000p-for-the-polish-army this variant] was the UKM-2015/UKM-2000M which has a different stock and rail system, and that the UKM-2000Z was [http://tillgun.ucoz.ru/pulemety/UKM2000/UKM-2000-779-.jpg this] earlier prototype that didn't have a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:42, 19 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
::Late reply, but I agree with Kox. According to [http://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=12733 this], where the image came from (need to read it with translation), it's actually the UKM-2000M (also known as UKM-2015?). [http://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=8249 Here's] a description of the older UKM-2013. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT) | ::Late reply, but I agree with Kox. According to [http://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=12733 this], where the image came from (need to read it with translation), it's actually the UKM-2000M (also known as UKM-2015?). [http://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=8249 Here's] a description of the older UKM-2013. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
:::The two difference variants in those articles appear to be the exact same gun aside from the tan colour. I am fairly certain the UKM-2015 is not an alternate name for the UKM-2000M as the only reference to the former in that article is to say that they are stopping work on it. My understanding from the google translate of that first page is that the UKM-2000M is just the new name for the UKM-2013 and that they are actually the same gun. Can anyone who actually speaks the language confirm this? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:24, 20 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
No, it just says that the UKM-2013/UKM-2000M is a MODIFICATION of the UKM-2000 (wz. 2004). Trust me, I'm a proud Polish.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 14:48, 20 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Can you translate the sentence "Wcześniej konstrukcja, powstająca przy współpracy Wojskowej Akademii Technicznej (WAT), była roboczo nazwana UKM-2013"? Google translates this to "Previously, the construction, which was created in cooperation with the Military University of Technology (WAT), was called by UKM-2013" which suggests they are the same gun but UKM-200M is the current name. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:31, 20 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
::Google Translate got it right this time.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 01:59, 21 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::For making things simpler to understand the UKM-2013/UKM-2000M is a improvement of UKM-2000. Like the the L85A2 for L85A1, or even better what AK-200 is for AK-74M. That's why they stopped working on UKM-2000M. Because is obsolete.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 06:05, 21 August 2018 (EDT)--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 06:05, 21 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
::::Your previous comments say opposite things to one another though. Firstly you said that the UKM-2013 is a modified version of the UKM-2000M, but then you agree with the statement that the name UKM-2000M is the current designation for the gun that used to be called the UKM-2013. Which one is it? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:23, 21 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
It was actually a typo of mine (sorry busy day, bit tired and so on). So the translation is 100% true. It was called UKM-2013 during development. Now is UKM-2000M. Anyway there are english sources like [https://www.defence24.com/armed-forces/land-forces/mspo-2015-modernized-ukm-2000p-for-the-polish-army this], can confirm the Polish site. So for being even more clearer | |||
UKM-2000M = UKM-2013 | |||
However the UKM-2015 is another version, which still need to be tested. Althought is likely to be a shorter version of the already shorter UKM-2000M. While is still call UKM-2015 = UKM-2000M is false. | |||
--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 15:02, 21 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:In that case I will change it on the main page to show the updated name. It would really help if wikipedia didn't incorrectly say that the UKM-2000M was the alternate name for the UKM-2015 as it seems that everybody just incorrectly copies this so that is what a lot of english language sources say. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:36, 21 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 11:03, 7 December 2023
Additional Variants
Airsoft Variants
Discussion
PKB Variant with Spade Grips
I was wondering if anyone on the Internet Movie Firearms Database community has any photos of this rarer variant. It is apparently the same type of weapon used by the former Soviet military and now Russian and other post-Soviet states in their armored vehicles. What makes it unique from the infantry or tank versions is that the PKB machine gun featured spade grips and the thumb button of older machine guns instead of the stock and pistol grip layout. Was at least used since the Soviet-Afghan War of 1979 - 1989 as helicopter weaponry (door and window armament for the Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopter). Despite frequent use I have not found many details in books or on the web on this variant. Maphisto86 (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2013 (EDT)
Go to page 11 here: http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/PK-Series-manual-English-2005.pdf AgentGumby (talk) 01:28, 20 August 2013 (EDT)
- Although it is probably a mock up (have heard of people making them out of a PKT with the solenoid replaced by grips from the SG-43) there is one of these in the first set photos for Expendables 3. --commando552 (talk) 04:47, 20 August 2013 (EDT)
Bullpup PKP
I'm not entirely sure this is a good idea o_O
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e1/1d/93/e11d9353482e2e3f35756a629a2d31cc.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/94/9a/ef/949aef7abcde4e30d99d430910f1d431.jpg
Evil Tim (talk) 17:09, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
Other not-in-site variants
For example how can I tell the difference between a UKM-2000 and a PKM? --Dannyguns (talk) 14:53, 2 December 2016 (EST)
- The difference is more internal than external. The main difference is disintegrating ammunition belt on UKM instead of non-disintegrating belt on PK. Most modern version of UKM (UKM-2013) is fitted with a telescopic buttstock and Picatinny rail. Greg-Z (talk) 15:15, 2 December 2016 (EST)
- There are a few obvious external differences as well due to the totally different way in which the UKM-2000 feeds. Essentially, the chamber needs to be a few inches further forward so the receiver of the UKM-2000 is extended to accommodate this, sort of having an extra section just ahead of the feed tray pivot which is a new latch for the barrel. There are other differences in the feed tray, the most externally obvious of which are the removal of the spring loaded cover, lugs to fix the rail to even if it is missing, and simpler machining on the sides without the PKM's distinctive rib. The UKM-2000 also has a different, less upside-down AK shaped gas block. If you do a side by side comparison of a PKM to a UKM-2000 you can see these differences more clearly. --commando552 (talk) 15:50, 2 December 2016 (EST)
Thank you commando552.--Dannyguns (talk) 16:40, 2 December 2016
Hem the UKM appeared in a videogame (Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3) Question now is...
Should belong here or on another page?--Dannyguns (talk) 10:53, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
- If it appears, then it should go on this page in its own section like the Zastava. That is assuming that what is identified as a UKM-2013 in that game actually is one and not just a PKM, do you have a screencap of it? --commando552 (talk) 13:20, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
Emto PL confirmed that, well if they make a screencap, I will be the 1st to make that section, I know the rules. No screencap no party.--Dannyguns (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
PKP Question
What the second P stand for? Polumelet Kalashnikova What?--Dannyguns (talk) 12:27, 25 January 2017 (EST)
- In Russian characters it stands for Пехотный. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 13:03, 25 January 2017 (EST)
Is good that I known how to read Cyrulica. Thank you. Means Infantry in English :)--Dannyguns (talk) 07:59, 26 January 2017 (EST)
UKM-2013 Thing
That is not UKM-2013 variant, but UKM-2000M, which also known as UKM-2000P zmod. <- zmod. is a shortcut of modernized, in this standard Polish Army is already buying this rifles, also Nigeria ordered something. UKM-2013 was only a prototype.--Kox (talk) 21:10, 19 July 2017 (EST)
- Do you have an image of what you think the UKM-2013 is then? As far as I can tell, the variant currently on the page listed as the UKM-2013 is one, as shown in this article. I thought that this variant was the UKM-2015/UKM-2000M which has a different stock and rail system, and that the UKM-2000Z was this earlier prototype that didn't have a railed handguard. --commando552 (talk) 15:42, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
- Late reply, but I agree with Kox. According to this, where the image came from (need to read it with translation), it's actually the UKM-2000M (also known as UKM-2015?). Here's a description of the older UKM-2013. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
- The two difference variants in those articles appear to be the exact same gun aside from the tan colour. I am fairly certain the UKM-2015 is not an alternate name for the UKM-2000M as the only reference to the former in that article is to say that they are stopping work on it. My understanding from the google translate of that first page is that the UKM-2000M is just the new name for the UKM-2013 and that they are actually the same gun. Can anyone who actually speaks the language confirm this? --commando552 (talk) 12:24, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
- Late reply, but I agree with Kox. According to this, where the image came from (need to read it with translation), it's actually the UKM-2000M (also known as UKM-2015?). Here's a description of the older UKM-2013. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
No, it just says that the UKM-2013/UKM-2000M is a MODIFICATION of the UKM-2000 (wz. 2004). Trust me, I'm a proud Polish.--Dannyguns (talk) 14:48, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
- Can you translate the sentence "Wcześniej konstrukcja, powstająca przy współpracy Wojskowej Akademii Technicznej (WAT), była roboczo nazwana UKM-2013"? Google translates this to "Previously, the construction, which was created in cooperation with the Military University of Technology (WAT), was called by UKM-2013" which suggests they are the same gun but UKM-200M is the current name. --commando552 (talk) 19:31, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
- Google Translate got it right this time.--Dannyguns (talk) 01:59, 21 August 2018 (EDT)
- For making things simpler to understand the UKM-2013/UKM-2000M is a improvement of UKM-2000. Like the the L85A2 for L85A1, or even better what AK-200 is for AK-74M. That's why they stopped working on UKM-2000M. Because is obsolete.--Dannyguns (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2018 (EDT)--Dannyguns (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2018 (EDT)
- Your previous comments say opposite things to one another though. Firstly you said that the UKM-2013 is a modified version of the UKM-2000M, but then you agree with the statement that the name UKM-2000M is the current designation for the gun that used to be called the UKM-2013. Which one is it? --commando552 (talk) 08:23, 21 August 2018 (EDT)
- For making things simpler to understand the UKM-2013/UKM-2000M is a improvement of UKM-2000. Like the the L85A2 for L85A1, or even better what AK-200 is for AK-74M. That's why they stopped working on UKM-2000M. Because is obsolete.--Dannyguns (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2018 (EDT)--Dannyguns (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2018 (EDT)
- Google Translate got it right this time.--Dannyguns (talk) 01:59, 21 August 2018 (EDT)
It was actually a typo of mine (sorry busy day, bit tired and so on). So the translation is 100% true. It was called UKM-2013 during development. Now is UKM-2000M. Anyway there are english sources like this, can confirm the Polish site. So for being even more clearer
UKM-2000M = UKM-2013
However the UKM-2015 is another version, which still need to be tested. Althought is likely to be a shorter version of the already shorter UKM-2000M. While is still call UKM-2015 = UKM-2000M is false.
--Dannyguns (talk) 15:02, 21 August 2018 (EDT)
- In that case I will change it on the main page to show the updated name. It would really help if wikipedia didn't incorrectly say that the UKM-2000M was the alternate name for the UKM-2015 as it seems that everybody just incorrectly copies this so that is what a lot of english language sources say. --commando552 (talk) 17:36, 21 August 2018 (EDT)